₦airaland Forum

nihilistjnr:
I think history proved Ojukwu to be an unprincipled power-hungry false prophet.
I mean this guy led 3 million people to their deaths in a suicidal war effort, and then ran away instead pay the supreme sacrifice for the cause he supposedly believed in.
He then came back not only to accept a full pardon, but actually run for President of the country he tried to secede from.
He was even buried with full military honours

I don't know how anyone wouldn't consider the man a villain. His life(and death) after coming back to Nigeria was an insult to everyone who died on BOTH sides of the war.

First you have to understand why Ojukwu declared war before forming such an opinion against him.

Thousands of Igbos were being killed all over nigeria, their sweat and blood were being set ablaze all over the country too because the other regional leaders triggered and unleashed heavy propaganda machines depicting the average igbo man as being domineering.
Punitive messages were being broadcast all over radio stations calling for an extinction of the igbo tribe.

Average nigerians became afraid that the igbos would dominate them and set to killing them.
Ojukwu had no choice than to declare a sovereign state that would save it's citizens and guarantee their basic freedom.

Ojukwu was not acting alone, he consulted with all eastern stakeholders and at that point, the decision to secede was unanimous.

Saying he should have died is quite dubious because they say he who runs, lives to fight another day. Ivory Coast was one of the countries that publicly supported biafra and Ojukwu has said that he went to Cameroon to meet the president of Ivory Coast for more support. I certainly don't know if this is true, however there is nothing wrong in counting your losses and preparing for another rainy day.

However I do agree with you that he shouldn't have rejoined politics when he came back, he should have Led a quite life or at least worked from the background.

BlueRayDick:
But Gowon also claimed he released Awo. Gowon claimed he released him after plead with Awo to join his government. In fact he claimed he had to beg his wife to persuade him to join his government.
I find it hard to believe a military administrator on any of the regions could've released a prisoner of the federal government like Ojukwu claimed.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/191679-why-i-released-awolowo-from-prison-gowon.html

You are forgetting that by then, there was already bad blood between the two, and Ojukwu couldn't care less about how gowon felt.

BlueRayDick:
Exactly. There's a recent one by Alabi Isama that bàbà hate Obasanjo like mad ; he claimed Obasanjo is a coward that took other people's shine in the war effort. He claimed all those glowing words Obasanjo used to qualify himself in his book "My Command" were all lies.

When he was going to media houses creating awareness about his book, Alabi Isama claimed Obasanjo while fleeing the battle field was shot in the buttocks . I bust laughter that day ehn.

Everybody that participated in the war and wrote a book is telling the story from their perspective

It is unarguable that Obasanjo led the final assault that finally conquered biafra, so we can easily discredit that.

However, of your own personal opinion, do you think the refusal to allow the secession of biafra was the right decision?

odizeey:
Why you stubborn?
You can be intellectually intelligent, but also be emotionally intelligent.
This is the kind of argument that started the war. E don happen. E don happen.
MAke we no let the mistakes of our ancestors still dey cause divide among us.

I am not emotionally attached to the subject matter. I am only curious to know accurate Nigerian history.
We were not taught our history in school, so for one to make a better assertion on our history, one ha to listen to both sides of the argument.

We have discussed controversial topics here before, I don't get this sudden cold fear.

nihilistjnr:
Raumdeuter himself is not a big fan of Ojukwu...and that's putting it very lightly.

Exactly why I want to hear from him, because I believe he can present a credible source that will counter Ojukwu's account.

BlueRayDick:
This is a very sensitive discuss that will flare tempers if it is discussed here. I've read at least 3 books on the war by Late Prof. Chukwuemeka Ike, Olusegun Obasanjo and Chinua Achebe.....There's this other one that detailed the trial of Banjo and Ifejuna ( My old man keeps these books)....

I can tell u there is no true version of the war story. Most people see it from their own side of the war.

From the Sahara reporter's link the interview showed Ojukwu and Awolowo had a discussion in which Ojukwu confirmed was not binding per se.

If we have this discussion it will get messy with some people claiming Awo is a sellout while some will claim He didn't make a promise to Ojukwu and in fact if he did the Igbos deserve it because Zik betrayed Awo and his AG back then when Zik abandoned his pact with Awo and joined forces with Tafawa Balewa to form a government in the first republic.

Honestly the topic will just worsen some old wounds

@ the bolded, there is already likely version as to why that happened. Awo and zik had formed an alliance earlier in the 50's which went awry.

See this article I read below.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2018/08/the-problem-of-retrogressive-politics-in-nigeria-4/

afrodoc2:
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WE here can, but there are entities roaming NL looking for this type of issue to cause trouble.

The fear of trouble makers can not and has never stopped us from discussing intelligently here.
When they come, we put them in their place.

afrodoc2:
He is quoted here as saying if the Ibos were forced out he would take the Yorubas out as well. That is not the same thing as having an agreement to secede.

Starting such a topic here is risky though.

But the igbos were being massacred in thousands in the north, their properties were also being vandalized, that is by definition "force".
Secession was the only viable option at that point. I do think awolowo's promise further emboldened him to secede at that particular time.

The previous political debate indicate that irrespective of conflicting opinions, we can discuss anything here without a quagmire.

Raumdeuter, I would like to pick your brain on this subject matter, as you know our history has been soo distorted, it's difficult to know facts. it has been hotly debated that Ojukwu freed awolowo himself on the agreement that himself and the Yoruba would secede from Nigeria but upon his release changed his mind.
I just read an article on Sahara reporters that stirs my inquisition.
If they did infact agree, why do you think awolowo reneged on the agreement?

Cc blueraydick, larride, Ibime etc.

http://saharareporters.com/2011/11/26/my-last-interview-dim-chukwuemeka-ojukwu-rudolf-okonkwo

BLOOD OF JESUS

Thecassanova:
Chaii So I once said Emerson is better than Alonso. Lol.

For a while he was, he just hasn't been given sufficient time and consistency in the team.

Finally, this ogi and plantain nigga_ na jobless fool oo. Just calm down dey share everybody post since morning.

hardeycute:
I also saw that, I no understand wetin those mods dey smoke these days or it is as a result of the lockdown.

What makes you think the story is fake. You have not experienced staying with an elderly woman in position of power who tries to intimidate young men into having sex if not you would know that story is very plausible.

Segedinho:
Anything anything is a baskard


We were living normally until he came with a bleeped up collabo with dongayzet.....

See as a busy road turn potopoto lane.....

You don start now. If I reply you now, dem go say I too dey insult. What warrants this?

Why this ogi and plantain guy dey share everybody post abeg?

sylvalord:
Because Chelsea is a small club with no history. Same as Man city. They are only relevant today thanks to being taken over by Billionaires.

Ryan Giggs has more trophies than Chelsea and Man City, that should tell you how small these clubs are. This is why Chelsea and Man city fans are so angry, bitter and they hate Man Utd with a passion. They know they can never achieve what Man utd have achieved, not in the next 30 years.

This is what Liverpool fans used to say about Manchester United 30 years ago until. Man-u overtook them. You are currently closing in on 10 years without the league. You never can tell.

In afrodoc's voice; phuck sheet

what the hell happened here? The last 10 pages scrubbed clean
Which kind Mod do this kain thing, after I don sue for peace.

Anyways We move on.