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Squillaci:
How is jesus a better sacrifice than say a lamb?
Imagine me burning away a whole goat?

you need help.

Maximus69:
Walahi Talahi this one needs to see a psychiatrist fast!

For your information, i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses (the one and only global group practicing what Jesus taught today) and we're matching zealously throughout the earth conquering nations, and fetching out the deserving ones in preparation of Jesus' coming.

You said he came to teach the Torah yet his followers said the Torah is no more in effect! Galatians 3:23-25

If you want to learn, humble yourself and I will teach you the bible because it's obvious you don't know the scriptures.

MuttleyLaff:
Keep up the good work brother.

Jeremiah 20:8-10, by the way, is your text guide. Maranatha, the Lord is coming

HalleluYAH !!!!

All praises be to the Most High YAH!

MuttleyLaff:
Not many can stand the red pill, they revulse, at the mere sight of it, lol

This is the real deliverance message.

MuttleyLaff:
Wow, my jaw is literally is still dropped and hanging on the floor. Donnie are you still fellowshipping with CE?

Of course I left CE. How can I still be there having known this truth?

I came into this truth June 2019 and left August 2019. This truth is like fire! I couldn't stay.

Maximus69:
My friend you lack manners so you can't represent Jesus of Nazareth, it's better as you've distinguished your own Jesus as black and mannerless!

I can see this truth is peppering you. It will continue to pepper you even in your sleep, hopefully you might be delivered.

MuttleyLaff:
Gbam!

"For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin,
so that we could be made right with God through Christ"
- 2 Corinthians 5:21

"Christ never committed any sin. He never spoke deceitfully."
- 1 Peter 2:22

"... He was tempted in every way that we are, but he didn't sin."
- Hebrews 4:15b

Whoa, whoa, whoa donnie. Point of a tad small fyi correction here.

Jesus did not break any law(s) nor did He encourage His followers to do any breaking of law(s). If you go over the Bible again and if carefully done, you'll notice that it is the tradition(s) of men that Jesus kicked against and stamped on. Jesus did not break any religious or civil laws during His life on earth.

If Jesus did really break any law, then that will swiftly and automatically disqualify Him from having a status of being without sin or sinless

Correct, and the reason you know this is because the scales of witchcraft have fallen off. What I said is the general Christian belief. You can take me up on that

Maximus69:
OK what you just want me to agree with you is that Jesus was black right?

Now let's move forward, what exactly did BLACK Jesus taught and what has that got to do with me?

Because my own ancestors were worshipers of woody, iron and stone God's, none of them spoke of a black Jesus who is the son of God!

The Messiah came and he taught the Torah (law). That's why he was called Rabbi. He was a teacher of the law. He taught with a spirituality, a wisdom and authority that they had not known.

Our people were and are still under the curses because they broke YAH's commandments and went after other gods. Plus they were forced by the various nations who enslaved them to forsake YAH's laws and commandments because these nations knew that if Israel will keep YAH's Commandments, their oppression will end.

Deut 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:


Read till verse 68 and see the curses: we are the only people on Earth who fulfil those curses. Those impostors did not have yokes of iron on thier necks (verse 48), our people did! Those fakes were not taken into slavery on ships (verse 68) our people were!

It is the same thing today. Rome (Esau) knows who the true people of the book are. They have kept this lie for centuries, because they know our awakening is thier Judgment.

This is the true message of the Kingdom, not the European storytelling which we have turned into a business. YAH has started to pour out his judgements on the earth. This truth is coming so you will know why.

Maximus69:
Then if your black Jesus taught you no manners that makes himself, his stupid idiotic and mannerless teachings useless to me Sir!

So you're free to go and PREACH your mannerless BLACK Jesus to others, i'm not interested!

Mathew 10
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

SHALOM.

Maximus69:
You're just telling unwarranted stories my friend.

What exactly did he teach?

Who are his followers (presently practicing what Jesus taught)?

What has that got to do with me?

Why is he so important to the world if he's just for Israel?

Finally, what makes him so special now if all he came to teach was the same thing just like any other Israelite prophets?

And when discussing with someone you hardly know, try to be respectful and mild tempered, referring to the questions from interested persons as NONSENSE will lead you nowhere!
Your black Jesus supposed to teach you how to speak respectfully with people you don't know, it's essential if you have to win people's hearts for your black Jesus!

I am not trying to win your heart. And I will call NONSENSE by it's name.
According to the scriptures, only a remnant of Israel shall be saved. So this is just to bear witness, so that you are without excuse, And thereby saving my own soul.

For the second time: He was a teacher of the Torah (law). And I am his follower. I believe you're not going blind.

Maximus69:
My friend you quote the scriptures but you're far of from it's practical application!

What that scripture you're quoting means is that Jesus once lived as a man on this planet, and he perfectly subjected himself to doing God's will, therefore he can be imitated since he didn't come as a spirit who can't feel what normal humans experience on daily basis!

So whoever believes he will start learning how to adopt Jesus' thoughts, words and actions sure believe that Jesus came IN THE FLESH therefore normal humans can imitate him, but someone who feels he was some kind of God will miss the purpose of Jesus' coming because normal humans can't imitate a God who is immune to all the pains and anxieties peculiar to the flesh.

That's the practical application of what you're quoting there Sir, it has NOTHING to so with his skin color!

Your interpretation of that scripture shows how much destruction has been done to our people. You cannot imagine that you have been lied to all your life. Scripture is very plain and you are looking for hidden or so-called practical meanings. You don't know me and you speak of practical application?

How can you talk about imitating a man you do not know. Doesn't Christianity paint him as a white man who broke the law and encouraged his followers to do the same?

I have to emphasize skin color because the Spirit does too. That is why John will describe his hair texture like wool and his complexion like burnt brass (Revelation 1:14-15). And if it makes you jittery, you need to be delivered. You are under the spell of Esau (the white man) and you need to be free.

Maximus69:
My friend you seem to be obsessed with the skin color of Jesus, but that's OK.

So let's talk about Jesus.

What exactly did he teach?

Who are his present followers?

What has that got to do with me?

And why is he so important if he's just for the Israelites or black Jews as you said?

NONSENSE. Was John also obsessed with colour when he described his looks as having hair like wool and feet the colour of burnt brass? (Revelation 1:14-15)

I am his present follower. And mind you, he is not the one that is being promoted by gentile teachers, and the principalities of darkness through books, Hollywood, false teachers etc. That is the false European feminine looking idol with long hair and blue eyes that was used to subdue the world.

There is no salvation for ISRAEL until she wakes up from this deception. And that is why Christianity encourages the breaking of the law and pagan practices and feasts, so as to keep ISRAEL in bondage.

YAHUSHA HAMASHIYAH was a teacher of the law. He taught the law and showed us how to keep it through the Spirit. Even in the coming millennium He will yet teach the law. Christianity tries to paint the idea of a saviour who broke the law and encourages us to forsake the commandments of YAH.


As for you, your repentance and turning away from Idolatory to keeping his commandments will lead to the salvation of your brethren scattered, and in bondage beyond the rivers of Ethiopia. (Zephaniah 3:10).

Maximus69:
You need to be calm my friend!

I never discussed the skin color of Jesus with you, he may be black or white skinned i'm not interested in that, what matters to me is his teachings and how many people are practicing what he taught!

Since you agree that Jesus (Nazarene) was the promised Messiah, please what exactly did he teach and who are those PRACTICING it today?

If you are jittery about mentioning his true color, you are not free, but still under the witchcraft of Esau (the white man) through the religion of Christianity. You even stand the risk of loosing your salvation.

I John 4
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of YAH: Every spirit that confesseth that YAHUSHA HAMASHIYAH is come in the flesh is of YAH:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that YAHUSHA HAMASHIYAH is come in the flesh is not of YAH: and this is that spirit of antimashiyah (antichrist), whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

He was a real man that existed in this world and came from a particular race of people. He came in the flesh. Denying that is making a choice for Israel's continued bondage and slavery, thereby delaying her salvation.

He came in his Father's name, to do his Father's will and was a teacher of the Torah (law).

I am one of those follow his teachings today. Though called a Nigerian, I have awoken to the truth of my true Isralelite herritage. Mind you, there is nothing like Israelite by faith. That is a lie of gentile teachers, Europeans who try to steal our herritage.

Maximus69:
Your write-up makes a lot of sense but one thing is MISSING here!

In each generation there were Israelites who will separate themselves and remain loyal to God by IDENTIFYING God's servant in their midst!

While majority in Israel often follow FALSE PROPHETS like the days of Elijah or FALSE RELIGIOUS LEADERS like what happened in the first century.

So is there anyway we can IDENTIFY GOD'S true servants today and those following them?

Or we should conclude that the same God who passed all those information to us can't organize his loyal worshipers under the same umbrella as he did in the first century?

Jesus fervently prayed to his father for the unity and identification of his loyal servants {John 17:20-23} when the false prophets (Satan agents) are misleading the majority {Matthew 24:11} therefore if Jesus' prayer was answered there should be a global recognisable group doing exactly what he commanded, and there should be an easy sign to identify them!

Thanks and God bless you!

Exactly the same thing is happening today. Majority of Israel beyond the rivers of Ethiopia (sub-saharan Africa- Zeph 3:10) have turned from following YAH's Commandments to practicing religions of Christianity and Islam. Those among them who understand the times have separated themselves to seek YAHUAH that salvation may come to our people.

YAH is not handicapped, he has poured his anger and judgments upon us and we have been sold into slavery. But now is the time to repent and return to Him through his true son (the black negro saviour) YAHUSHA HAMASHIYAH.

Maximus69:
Do you believe in the coming of the Messiah?
If so, has he come or is the nation of Israel still waiting to receive him?
What do you think about Jesus of Nazareth?

Let me stop here for now!

Of course I believe in Israel's Messiah. He came just for the lost sheep of Israel. He was a teacher of the law, who did not break the law as Christians try to make us believe. He is coming again with anger and great vengeance. HE WAS A BLACK MAN. That white man you have in your mind when you pray is a European fabrication...an idol!

sonmvayina:
When did God plan that he was sending his son to come and die for sins? Because I have been looking through the old testament and never come across such absurdities.

Deuteronomy 18:17-19
[17]And YAHUAH said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
[18]I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
[19]And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Maximus69:
It is the same God!

In the Old Testament he dealt only with just one nation as his special possession, but in the New Testament he deals with those who have faith in him as he did with Israel!

So those who believe in him now are serving as spiritual Israelites to him, that's why he will not support any nation against another now since his Worshipers (those who believe/trust in him) are found in all the race who had the opportunity of hearing about him!

The sacrifice was to impress in the minds of natural Israelites that there must be a sacrifice to remove sin, Jesus is the sacrificial lamb God presented just as he often ask Israelites to present the best of their lifestock as a sacrifice.

He will still be brutal once again but that's when he's satisfied with the preaching and teaching of his loyal servants who are zealously working with him to fish out his lost sheep (obedient humans) in the midst of this crooked generation, he promised to send his angels down to EXTERMINATE all those opposing his standards, {Luke 19:27} but before then the warning must go round as a witness against all the nations of the earth. Matthew 24:14

YAH is still dealing with Israel today. There is nothing like "spiritual Israelites". Do not believe those gentiles and their whitewashing of the scriptures to favor themselves. Both OLD and RENEWED (NEW) testaments were made for Israel. It has not changed today.

Romans 9:4 "Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the COVENANTS, and the giving of the law, and the service of ELOHIYM, and the promises;"

Jeremiah 31:31-34 King James Version (KJV)
31 Behold, the days come, saith YAHUAH, that I will make a renewed (new) covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

True Jews are not white or Caucasians. Those who currently occupy the state of Israel are converts, they are not blood descendants of the Patriarchs.

Revelation 2:9
"9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

This message I am giving you now is YAHUAH's warning you spoke about. YAH is calling true Israel to repent, come out of false religions like Christianity, Islam etc. and keep the commandments.

sonmvayina:
It was written by the Jews, but your comment does give credence to my post.. There is only one God, just the nomenclature that is different...

Our people knew and called upon the supreme creator of the universe even before the colonialists came. But you must understand that we sinned, and we were expelled from our land and the curses continue to this day. What we need now is for our people to return to where we fell from, and not to glory in those same things that brought us punishment and judgment.

Deuteronomy 4
25 When thou shalt beget children, and children's children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt yourselves, and make a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, and shall do evil in the sight of YAHUAH thy ELOHIYM, to provoke him to anger:

27 And YAHUAH shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither YAHUAH shall lead you.

28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.

29 But if from thence thou shalt seek YAHUAH thy ELOHIYM, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

annyplenty:
The Mistake of Israel/Israelites versus The Mistake of The Church/Christians

Text : Luke 19: 28-44
28 And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.

29 And it came to pass, when he was come nigh to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount called the mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples,

30 Saying, Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither.

31 And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him.

32 And they that were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them.

33 And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt?

34 And they said, The Lord hath need of him.

35 And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon .

36 And as he went, they spread their clothes in the way.

37 And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;

38 Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord : peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.

39 And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.

40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,

42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

I will like to respond but don't know where to start as your writeup is full of a total misunderstanding of scriptural doctrine. Plus you are unaware of who the true ancient Israelites are. What you actually have in the world today are Jews and gentiles; and among them, those who believe in the Messiah. There is no race called Christians. Many Israelites have been deceived into or forced to accept Christianity which is actually a Babylonian religion. The true Israelites are mostly in Sub-saharan Africa. (Zephaniah 3:10). So speaking of blindness, yes Israel, especially in Africa is still mostly blind but there is an awakening. The remnant will hear this word and awake and return to the covenant YAH made with our fathers.

sonmvayina:
You are not understanding me, the God of the Jews is the same as God of the igbos, is the same as God of the Yoruba.. Can you paste a screen short of the tablet that God wrote his name?.. Judgement is for the living never for the dead... Death acquit you of sin.. When we die our spirits return back to God and becomes one with God.. Our body return to the earth where it was taken... Ecclessiatics 12 :7.. Read the whole of Ezekiel 18 for clarification... The new testament is Roman /Greeks propaganda for control..

Like you are not aware that the Igbo and Yoruba you speak of along with other Bantus of sub-saharan Africa are the very Jews of the scripture who have turned from following YAH and his commandments to idols made by men's hands. YAH's judgment is already upon us. You are hearing these words now and they will serve as a witness.

The scriptures were written by our forefathers. They contain the laws that govern this universe. The Europeans seized the books, whitewashed them, and used to teach us a gospel based on white supremacy. But the Spirit is clearing things up now.

sonmvayina:
There is only one God and one power in the Universe.. It is the name that is different.. The God the Jews worship and call Hashem (not yaweh, yaweh is one of the sons of Enlil,) is the same God Yoruba call Eledumare or olodumare is the same that igbos call CHUKWU.. Etc, the stories you read in the Bible are meant to teach us spiritual truth, the youubas have theirs the igbos have theirs... You are supposed to read or listen to them and learn the hidden messages in the.. They are not historical or actual events.. End of the day we are all gods just having a human experience..

I was wondering what spirit you were speaking by when you said YAHUAH the name he wrote with his own finger on stone tablets is not his name. I gave you the benefit of the doubt thinking you were just referring to language, until I read your last few sentences where you suggest that the events of the bible aren't actual events. Meaning it's a book of myths and stories.

Thank you, but heaven and earth shall pass away, not one dot of the Torah shall pass. And YAHUAH will in these last days show himself as the God of Judgement.

Azazeal007:
The God of the old testaments seems to be warlike, aggressive towards enemy, tough and ready to fight for you if you obey is laws. He is very powerful and proud , he accepts animal sacrifices as atonement for sins and purification.
He never deserts is people during battle, He loves them but they deviate from his teachings, so he punish them severely until they repent. This God is quick to act if called upon he speaks through the likes of Moses Abraham, Elijah, Enoch, Joshua, Samuel e.t.c

On the other hand the God of the new testament his kind and cool, patient, peaceful and forgiving God. Accepts worship and praises, prayers and fasting as atonement for sins but not animal sacrifices. He is very slow to anger and act preaches by speech and not with sword. He speaks through the likes of John the baptist, Jesus of nazareth, Paul the apostle, st Peter , st John e.t.c

The big question remains are they the same God or have the God of the old testament become more civil in his dealings?

Why is God so angry in the Old Testament and so loving in the New?

YAHUAH is the same, he changeth not. Christians may want to replace him with their white idol (like the one OP used) called Jesus who promotes lawlessness but we are in judgement time now, and YAH is not smiling. He has begun to pour out his anger upon the earth.

PLEASE BE CAREFUL OF VACCINES... In short, my advice: DO NOT TAKE THE VACCINES!
Our government should ensure that our people are part of whatever preparation, composition or testing of any vaccines to be given to our people.
If not, do not accept!
There is a connection between the Covid19 vaccines, 5G waves and remote control.
Virus can be digitally reactivated at any time resulting in sudden death.
The Chinese were all given mandatory vaccines last fall. Recently, the 5G network was activated in Wuhan and other countries.
The elite call this 60Ghz mm 5G wave the "V" wave (Virus) to mock us.
The WHO is not your friend at all.

#AwakeOIsrael


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51dBi249Swg&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0399FTuqoPXJB0Mr82nt2fsfaO0-mu6VVH3554vWR7QEdCxWG-4UjZfj0

They have started, next is to rally behind him for 2023.

Like Buhari, Like Trump, Like Sanusi.

Revelation 22:14: "Blessed are they that do YAHUAH's commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."

Exodus 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of YAHUAH thy ELOHIM: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days YAHUAH made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore YAHUAH blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

#AwakeOIsrael

Blakjewelry:
There are continent with map far smaller than Africa yet more developed. Our so called leaders should stop been selfish and stop pillaging the continent

Why don't the white man you laying your blame on loot their own country and store in Africa. The first rule of failure is blaming another man for your woes instead of taking actions.

The best brains are fleeing the country to places where they will be appreciated and get paid at the same time.

Were you referring here to my post you quoted or to maps?

Blakjewelry:
Corruption is a western thing? My friend corruption is like a culture in Nigeria. In today's Nigeria straightforward person look more like the weird one while those who corrupt seems to be smart one.

The flight of best brain in Nigeria has nothing to do with a western curriculum but range from poor working environment, low pay, lack of research facilities to grants just to a few.

Like you rightly said, how can one solve a problem when they do not know the origin, but the origin here is not what you are referring to. Nigeria problem is complex one and we need to tackle it from the root.

Your pointing of finger is no different from the religious guys who pray and go to sleep hoping when they wake up their problems are all gone. We can choose to point finger and let the problem continue or face our problem and find a lasting solution

Not corruption, but the methods used to combat corruption so far are western (always read my posts well).
Go ask your grandparents or great grandparents how they treated thieves in their days (before the white man).. compare it to today. Someone steals today and he is taken to court to argue. In the days of our forefathers, they had an oracle, a prophet or a priest who could provide an accurate verdict according to truth, and judgment was adequately served.

Even the word corruption, is it not an English word? In my dialect, thief na thief. One Igbo senior friend even shared some wisdom with me... He said, when people want to lie, they change to English. And that it is difficult to lie speaking your native tongue.

I posted maps, I can provide more proof. I said nothing about going to sleep. What we need is a reprogramming of the mind, detoxification for removal of all western poisons. Check it, any African leader that rises to speak the truth or liberate his people is killed. The colonial powers create uprisings in that country and he is removed.

Do you really know African history, or what Europeans taught you as African history? Were you taught in school that Timbuktu (in West Africa) was once the most powerful Empire in the world? Did they teach you that the first University in the world was in Timbuktu? Did they not brainwash us to think that they (whites) brought civilization to Africa and met us jumping on trees as monkeys?

Did they not lie to you that Jesus and the angels were white while satan and demons were black? Meanwhile, the reverse is actually the case. Who taught you to love and trust whites more than your people? When we see clearly, then we can understand and properly chart our course. Yes, sacrifices will have to be made, but then, they will be made with the right purpose in view.

lepasharon:
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GBAM

Buliwyf:
SMH. I am disappointed.
The OP took what could have been a perfect exposition about proportions and turned it into some religious nutjob conspiracy.

The reason why those maps are that way is because it is actually hard to convert a spherical world into a flat map. It has nothing to do with a conspiracy.

The current map we use mostly is the Mercator map. And it tries as much as possible to fit longitudes and latitudes into a rectangular grid. Unfortunately Africa lies on and around the equator. So it is naturally going to shrink and become relatively smaller once it is projected thus.

Some things are just common sense. Not everything is a conspiracy.

Don't worry, your eyes will soon clear.

Blakjewelry:
There are continent with map far smaller than Africa yet more developed. Our so called leaders should stop been selfish and stop pillaging the continent

Why don't the white man you laying your blame on loot their own country and store in Africa. The first rule of failure is blaming another man for your woes instead of taking actions.

The best brains are fleeing the country to places where they will be appreciated and get paid at the same time.

I've heard enough of this rhetoric. How can you begin to solve a problem without knowing the cause? And that is why all the approaches to fight corruption we've adopted have failed because they were purely western.

Our education system is purely Western and you expect us to have the kind of country where the best brains will stay and not flee the country? You also believe that they will give you a curriculum that will make you truly independent and able to compete with them? Are you saying that you are unaware that our governments, economies, natural resources, and even our social system are controlled by the West? It is even the West that determines who governs your country.

Identifying the problem will lead to the development of proper homegrown solutions that will apply to our peculiar situation. It will end the worship of the white man, hence Africa's liberation from slavery.

Blakjewelry:
I disagree with you.

It will take a little time.... do your research first....it will open your eyes to the world we live in.

Go research the Berlin conference of 1884, where Western nations divided Africa amongst themselves. Till today, Africa is still a conquered and enslaved people.