₦airaland Forum

Gbawe:
This is another sad reality these elections have revealed about Nigeria i.e the fact that many Nigerians, like you, are conventionally educated yet not knowledgeable, genuinely democratic or politically sophisticated. What has all the pathetic excuses you give above, essentially seeking to portray GEJ as a 'victim', got to do with an election where Nigerians choose who they want to lead them. Get it into your head that this is not about what you want but about the will of majority of Nigerians prevailing. You should respect that and stop this Orubebe-style show of shame. Had GEJ performed satisfactorily will you be here boring us with your 'victim' excuses above?

God bless you!!

rawtruth:
We are watching a preamble to an impending doom, no doubt about it. And I don't blame the "oil boy" protester whose wealth is the main reason for the convergence of the "big two groups" against his minority people. Be calm and help GEJ where necessary, they say no! power belongs to us and we must take it back. A gentle and shy GEJ, not experienced in subterfuge and whose good intentions for this country know no bound, watched helplessly as they moved from one part of the country to another, churning out conspiracy theories and stirring emotions of our largely less-enlightened populace. What moral ground have the "conspirators" over GEJ when most of them who have been plotting for the "change" have been part of the various past govts under which most of the ills of today either started or received more nourishment?

...There are reasons to be angry. However, let there be peace.

Stop disgracing yourself. What impending doom?
When did a former minister who has fed fat on our wealth starts representing the interests of the minority of Delta state they failed to touch their lives? You guys need to wake up from your slumber and start appreciating that majority of the people of Niger Delta did not vote in this election in protest against a cabal of home grown barracudas feeding on the masses wealth.
When he was minister of Niger Delta, was he able to complete any road for us despite the trillions that went down? Impending doom indeed!!

ikes9: olodo
am very sure yhu are a Yoruba man...
yhu can't even spell/writer well
and who told yhu that GEJ is an Igbo man
This is why if I were in the senate I would pass a law Barning all Yoruba & Hausa people from using social medias or networks
Guy abeg go learn your vocabulary well.
oh

It looks like a pot and kettle issue to me. Abeg make una grammatically softly softly write am, biko!

mbhs139: I wonder what kind and type of education children of now-a-days receive! So, in your mind ministers are the same with a CBN Governor? Didn't you read in the post the mode of appointing and removing a CBN Governor in Nigeria? Anyway, for your information, ministers and a CBN Governor are not in the same shoes; while the latter are political appointees, the former is a professional whose hand lies the economic success or otherwise of the nation. As a matter of fact, appointing a minister of finance as the economic coordinator does not really show a sense of sound judgement. Those in charge of monetary policy would have otherwise be in a better position. I stand to be corrected; i'm not laying claim to this knowledge.

You''re very much in sync. It's equivalent to appointing the company accountant to double as the administration manager whose extended responsibutilities also include procurement.

pro01: Thank you very much. People who say the President and Commander-in-Chief does not have the power to remove the CBN governor are either clueless or mischievous. In countries like Nigeria, and much of the developing world (even in places like Russia), there are a million and one ways to by-pass the 'academic' measures put in place to preserve the supposed independence of institutions like the CBN or EFCC. It all boils bown to the temperament and will of the individual in power.

Chronic amnesia would not allow some nitwits remember how Yar'Adua methodically got rid of Nuhu Ribadu and ran him out of town when he was becoming too big for his britches. What does the so-called law say about removing the EFCC Chairman, and how does it differ from removing a CBN Governor? I believe Yar'Adua (never mind OBJ sef) would have easily gotten rid of Sanusi by now if he were president.

Some of us that are ardent admirers and supporters of Goodluck Jonathan are frustrated by his gentleness, equanimity, and tolerant disposition. Then again, this is why he is regarded as the most democratic leader we have had yet.

The dynamics are different my brother. The. Composition of the Senate is heavily skewed In favour of Sanusi where majority are his brethren. In addition, the issue raised by Sanusi is one that touches on raw nerves of all the political gladiators in the country and the entire polity from federal, states, local governments to the monarchs. $49.8 Billion is an obscene amount of money that can plunge the country into another civil strife. GEJ is also accountable to the international community on this one so I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to take a chill pill.

ketoprofen: How come most ppl feel its better the conference is sovereign, so that everybody go answer im papa name?
But that's what igbos wanted in 1967, sighting no progression in the country in years to come .
43 yrs after, other groups think that's the best option.
Is it not obvious igbos are light yrs ahead of u?
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Btw, can u point a single reason y tinubu was against the conference.
Just one.
Not what u think, but tinubu thinks.

Stop assaulting our senses with expansionist quest disguised as self determination. The Eastern Region was properly delineated before the start of the civil war, it didn't include Edo and Ore.

Kponkwem: in the present condition, it will be wrong to call for a 'sovereign' conference. On what document/legitimacy will the President and NASS stand in convoking the conference? I thought these are elected officials whom people have delegated their sovereignty to? Except there's a revolution overthrowing the present order, I don't think we can make a constitution outside the NASS.


Again it should not be based on ethnicity. Which ethnic nationalities are we talking about? How many ethnicities are in Nigeria? If all attend won't it be recipe for chaos?

Let our elders accept things as they are and go to the conference on a unified agenda, hopefully they will score some points with SW and SS. At least the Yoruba will equally be voting for decentralisation of power- the only issue is how to scale the NW and NE who have created more LGs and constituencies for themselves.

If much is not achieved as desired by the south, the only option will be forceful change or hope for oil impact in the economy to diminish for freedom to come. When will that be? Two years, three years? Not sure...

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You are probably the only one who obviously understand the game even though there are no rules.
Majority of the voices against the proposed conference saw the obvious landmines.
Fake population census, fraudulent local governments creation, dishonest apportionment of states,
politically skewed polity, theft of regional wealth in the name of derivation,
sharing taxes on sale of goods banned in some religious enclave, etc............
And some voices of thought want us to surrender our sovereignty to this charade in a conference?
So how many years will it take to secure 2/3rd majority needed in both the lopsided NASS and the fraudulently constituted State Assemblies to effect a holistic amendment of the constitution?
Definitely not in our life time,

slimghost: 1. Is an MSC a requirement for being a Minister in Nigeria?.
2. Did she lie in the resume presented to the senate?

Please answer these questions for me.

Are you insinuating it is ok to misrepresent your competency and qualification on your CV because it is not a prerequisite of your employment?

[quote author=slimghost]1. Is an MSC a requirement for being a Minister in Nigeria?.
2. Did she lie in the resume presented to the senate?

Please answer these questions for me.[/quote


Wow!

[quote author=rudedough]I thought to ignore you but let me educate you one last time.

Her CV can be requested under the FOI bill.

Her Certificate is personal document, it cannot be released.

So stop making a fool of yourself arguing like you have got her certificate.[/quo

Let me put you out of your misery once and for all out of pity. A CV is a legal document that contains the summary of your verifiable certificates and work experience. Therefore, a disclosure in your CV is more important than your certificate because it is your declaration of competence for the job sought which your potential employer relies on at your job interview. Certificates are mere proof of that declaration and in most cases are not important unless there is a good reason to doubt the authenticity of the declaration . Nigerians do not need Stella Oduah's certificate to determine if she had lied or not. Any information that is inconsistent with what was declared on the CV is a fraud even if a certificate says otherwise. Moreover, CV's and Certificates are provided at job interviews so Nigerians already have these documents and Stella Oduah can be summoned to shed more light on any inconsistency in information provided on either documents. Please try and digest properly and move on.

ISpiksDaTroof: I scrolled up only to see that you'd already answered the clown.

Thanks, I always try to avoid kindergarten clowns wearing adult cloaks.

rudedough: What are you saying? Is a CV a Certificate? Man you need an education.

I have no doubt that special education is required to discern people like you.

lacidi: You are not only trying to have it both ways, you shot for a million ways and finally sat on the fence helplessly....


You shouldn't have bothered....

This is exactly why I said that NL members always write without being privy of the facts.
I stated clearly that my comments were based on the assumption that she lied about her MBA. Neither of us (you or I) can conclusively say that she lied because we are not in any way privy to the facts. All we are acting on is a report from Sahara reporters, which we can 'assume' to be correct. That still does not remove the fact that we are 'assuming'. I would not want to be seen as taking a categorical position on issues that are based on hear say. To do that would mean that I am not qualified to be called a competent legal prfessional.

Did you contribute your contrived post based on facts? Stella Oduah's CV is already in the public domain by virtue of her public appointment. Why can't you explain that fact to your kindergarten followers? Instead of educating the young minds out here to bring their intellectual exposure to par with that of their counterparts globally, you keep them perpetually confounded. You guys are shamefully pathetic.

rudedough: It's true she holds a public office but it's sad the law doesn't distinguish between a public or private office. Everyone has a right to personal information unless he/she wishes to publicize it. It's unfortunate that Stella Oduah is under no legal obligation to publicize her academic credential and her employer or appointee has no right to publicize it without her consent either.

I also wish to see her MBA certificate but that's hardly going to happen as we anticipate. If she's found innocent or guilty, we're only going to know about it in a statement.

It's necessary to display a little bit of acumen when speaking to a global audience. Public officers are employees of the people and so are political appointees. A political appointee like a minister goes through public screening where personal profile, work experience and academic achievements are subject to public scrutiny. The NASS is the microcosm of the Nigerian people who by extension are the employer of Stella Oduah. Try to educate your mind. Stellar Oduah is legally bound to respond to any question or enquiry from her employer the Nigerian people.

This logic will always set us backward because it is a tacit and impractical approval for theft and Corruption "as long as the current magnitude is less than previous experiences". Despite alleged rigging in the last general election, most of my SWern friends actually voted GEJ. If they are no longer singing his praises shouldn't the President restrategize? As a President with enormous executive powers, I expected GEJ to display zero tolerance for corruption in order for the cross section of Nigerians that voted for him to derive benefits of democratic good governance for exercising their franchise for his benefit. If after, GEJ decides to revoke oil blocks given to Yorubas and Hausas by reawarding them to people from the core Southern part of this country by executive fiat rather than the waste on Alams, I would have been the first to carry the banner for re-election for my Izon brother.

theoctopus: Most of you who make this kind of statements say it out of ignorance or just trying to follow the trend. What do you mean by corruption used to be the order of the day? Actually, corruption is far less now than it has ever been. The difference now is that things are more open. You never heard of most of the massive corruption under OBJ because they were well covered and shielded. Most of the corruption accusations against OBJ came out during the Yaradua a years. People like FFK were very corrupt but were completely shielded during the OBJ rule. No on ehad access to government documents and no one could see the complete budget items. Now, we can all see it. For example, someone wrote that GEJ was spending so much on food. The question is, did OBJ spend less? Did Yaradua spend less? The answer is no. They actually spent much more. But the difference is that, unlike back then, you now know the actual figures spent. Does that mean there is more corruption now. Absolutely NO. What you have now is more transparency and openess in government

Can all the goons out here denying this story be likened to Abati and Okupe in their henchmen job of denying anything that is anti gov. Hmmmm......

FACT: We need a change. Politically? Probably not until there is a holistic change in consciousness directed at producing a Nigerian President and not a sectional partisan leader hell bent on mortgaging the future of his people for political relevance.

duni04: I'm not a GEJ adherent but this idea of digging up old newspaper clippings to discredit somebody is just lame. The guy was answering questions from reporters, and not testifying before a court or the senate. You can't equate someone changing his mind about his political ambitions to treachery or dishonesty, its just lame. While campaigning for president, George W. Bush Snr famously promised not to increase taxes and did immediately he got in. Obama promised to close the guantanemo bay while campaigning in 2008, its still open today. As long as Jonathan's statement was not made before a court of law or the senate, like in the case of Bill Clinton who lied to a US grand jury about his affair with Monica lewinsky, nobody can accuse Jonathan of anything. He's a human being, he has the right to change his mind as he deems fit.

The issue is not about reneging on your statement, it's being honest enough to admit you made it and now have a change of mind. If leaders cannot be held to their words what then is the relevance of campaigns?

The problem with Islamic religious extremists is simply that they kill using and calling the name of Allah and the Muslim world keeps mum. The Muslim fanatics directing young unadulterated minds to kill innocent people do so by promising (under a clandestine guise) heavenly rewards and inner bliss and you will hardly hear any Muslim spiritual leader condemning the doctrine.

Our Muslim colleagues don’t always want to be labeled terrorists but neither have they sufficiently convinced anyone that they are not extremists. The world witnesses occasionally, rampaging Muslims groups and youths committing butchery and destruction to life and properties under the guise of protesting blasphemy. A teacher was butchered in Northern Nigeria by Muslim youths for throwing away a Quran used by a cheating student to copy answers to questions in an examination.

Boko Haram’s horrors and carnages in Nigeria are worse than the Woolwich incident yet our Muslim neighbours here are calling for amnesty for the murderous lot. Nigeria's problem is our public defiance to call a spade a spade.
The Muslim world need to begin the process of modernising the teachings of Islam to disuade their followers from violence and reflect tolerance for other faiths.

Let know one be in doubt that I will personally become a Muslim convert if the Sultan and his cohorts in the North can appeal to David Cameron to grant Adebolajo and his co-conspirator(s) amnesty.

Idokojimmy: i must refer you to today's punch newspaper. full script of his speech appears to have featured there. in that paper, the man told us how the sect started as a religious extremist group, before attracting political coloration to its activities. he also talked about how this sect engages in criminal activities like robbery and so on. don't also forget that in that article, punch also reported that security is a collective business, and for their org to succeed, they need the people to help furnish them with info. i feel if you read through this, you will change your opinion. i may not have gone to the north, but reports i hear these days suggest that the battle is almost over

Sorry if I don’t buy your allusion.
BH is not an ideology that is characterised in religious intolerance or banditry.
It is a movement that has metamorphosed into a political weapon in the hands of distasteful politicians.
BTW, what happened to the politicians accused of collaborating with BH?
It is one thing to acknowledge a problem; it is another thing to refuse to acknowledge the cause.
How do you treat an ailment if you cannot identify the cause?
Curbing BH will remain a mirage as long as corruption is allowed to permeate the land with impunity.

Some of you here gloat and argue over frivolities.

Ghana conducted an election that was generally seen and perceived as credible.
Ghana has become an epitome of democracy in West Africa. Rather than learn, some here will rather criticize and compare.
An incumbent government lost the election in 2008 and handed over peacefully to the current government after a rerun.

The Ghanaian electorates turned out massively to vote across ethnic and religious divide to return the current government with less than 3% winning margin without any life lost.

So what there are minor skirmishes, even America with her glorified democracy still experiences election irregularities, Florida during Bush a pointer.

Rather than the negativity, let us give credence to what is good and covetous by Congratulating the law abiding people of Ghana for a successful general election.

Wish I can say the same for my unruly and corruption ridden country.

OBJ, GEJ, whatever!

Some comments here expound the philosophy that the average Nigerian mentality passively or actively
condones bad leadership and sees it as a doctrine that can be negotiated or strategically modified.
If we all collectively believe that Nigeria is ravaged by underdevelopment due to constitutional fraud
and institutionalised corruption it is obvious that the only antidote for our sordid retrogression
is a revolution of consciousness and attitude.

Our collective approach should therefore be geared towards educating ourselves and our youths about the
hazard of bad leadership and the personalities responsible for it.

GEJ, OBJ and the rest of our current political class are the culprit we are supposed to collectively annihilate
out of governance for us to move forward as a nation.

Ghana is not only blazing the trail in democratic norms and practices, the Ghanaian electorates have demonstrated
and are constantly exhibiting zero tolerance for corruption and misuse of political and state authority and that
is why Ghana is branding a stable and covetous democracy. It was ridiculously ironic to see OBJ in Ghana over the
weekend leading the ECOWAS election monitoring team and being individually immersed in a televised real or percieved
electoral fraud.

Rather than rationalise the rhetorics and deeds of the likes of OBJ and GEJ, let us all openly express our abhorrence
for their clique that has perpetually kept us in bondage of underdevelopment.

Nigeria to impose a ban on MTN? How?
The government and its agencies are hands deep in MTN’s operation
so the best they can do is artificial ban on promotions which have
no direct impact on actual sales. MTN operates absolutely as a private
concern in Ghana as such easy to regulate. Huge private initiatives hardly
survive in Nigeria without official meddling.
The corruption in our land transcends public wealth.

If the DG’s statement is anything to go by, then we are surely doomed.

First, the DG exhibited total ignorance in identifying the objectives and personalities behind BH.
He also failed to appreciate the necessity of prompt and speedy information in saving lives as preventive
rather than corrective measures. The DG and his paymasters will like to politicise the BH issue to the level
where innocent and taxpaying Nigerians will be funding organisations like NTA for pure government propaganda
exploits rather than balanced, informative and educative journalism.

The DG wants to send Nigeria back to the years of hearing and viewing core and vital occurrences in the land
from foreign media rather from actual source.

Talk of the misplaced cheap talk of curbing BH and how BH has metamorphosed into the business venture of armed robbery. Really?

I wonder if the DG will be magnanimous enough to sample the opinions of Nigerians about which organisations have transformed to
banditry and stealing of our common wealth and if he will be honest enough to agree and admit the truth.

As much as peace loving Nigerians see BH as a menace, statements, attitudes and actions of government and security personnel
portend even greater threat to our security and safety than BH can ever inflict.

The fight against terrorism should start with corruption and every other real or percieved threat to our existence as Nigerians
will be consigned to the dustbin of history.

If the DG’s statement is anything to go by, then we are surely doomed.

First, the DG exhibited total ignorance in identifying the objectives and personalities behind BH.
He also failed to appreciate the necessity of prompt and speedy information in saving lives as preventive
rather than corrective measures. The DG and his paymasters will like to politicise the BH issue to the level
where innocent and taxpaying Nigerians will be funding organisations like NTA for pure government propaganda
exploits rather than balanced, informative and educative journalism.

The DG wants to send Nigeria back to the years of hearing and viewing core and vital occurrences in the land
from foreign media rather from actual source.

Talk of the misplaced cheap talk of curbing BH and how BH has metamorphosed into the business venture of armed robbery. Really?

I wonder if the DG will be magnanimous enough to sample the opinions of Nigerians about which organisations have transformed to
banditry and stealing of our common wealth and if he will be honest enough to agree and admit the truth.

As much as peace loving Nigerians see BH as a menace, statements, attitudes and actions of government and security personnel
portend even greater threat to our security and safety than BH can ever inflict.

The fight against terrorism should start with corruption and every other real or passive threat to our existence as Nigerians
will be consigned to the dustbin of history.

If the DG’s statement is anything to go by, then we are surely doomed.

First, the DG exhibited total ignorance in identifying the objectives and personalities behind BH.
He also failed to appreciate the necessity of prompt and speedy information in saving lives as preventive
rather than corrective measures. The DG and his paymasters will like to politicise the BH issue to the level
where innocent and taxpaying Nigerians will be funding organisations like NTA for pure government propaganda
exploits rather than balanced, informative and educative journalism.

The DG wants to send Nigeria back to the years of hearing and viewing core and vital occurrences in the land
from foreign media rather from actual source.

Talk of the misplaced cheap talk of curbing BH and how BH has metamorphosed into the business venture of armed robbery. Really?

I wonder if the DG will be magnanimous enough to sample the opinions of Nigerians about which organisations have transformed to
banditry and stealing of our common wealth and if he will be honest enough to agree and admit the truth.

As much as peace loving Nigerians see BH as a menace, statements, attitudes and actions of government and security personnel
portend even greater threat to our security and safety than BH can ever inflict.

The fight against terrorism should start with corruption and every other real or passive threat to our existence as Nigerians
will be consigned to the dustbin of history.

If the DG’s statement is anything to go by, then we are surely doomed.

First, the DG exhibited total ignorance in identifying the objectives and personalities behind BH.
He also failed to appreciate the necessity of prompt and speedy information in saving lives as preventive
rather than corrective measures. The DG and his paymasters will like to politicise the BH issue to the level
where innocent and taxpaying Nigerians will be funding organisations like NTA for pure government propaganda
exploits rather than balanced, informative and educative journalism.

The DG wants to send Nigeria back to the years of hearing and viewing core and vital occurrences in the land
from foreign media rather from actual source.

Talk of the misplaced cheap talk of curbing BH and how BH has metamorphosed into the business venture of armed robbery. Really?

I wonder if the DG will be magnanimous enough to sample the opinions of Nigerians about which organisations have transformed to
banditry and stealing of our common wealth and if he will be honest enough to agree and admit the truth.

As much as peace loving Nigerians see BH as a menace, statements, attitudes and actions of government and security personnel
portend even greater threat to our security and safety than BH can ever inflict.

The fight against terrorism should start with corruption and every other real or passive threat to our existence as Nigerians
will be consigned to the dustbin of history.

EFCC budget is a pittance if we are really serious about fighting crime.
Personally I don’t see why the agency should not be an organ of the Nigeria police.
Funding EFCC and crippling the professionalism of the police is an aberration.
Is it not sad that Nigeria in this century of ICT advancement still does not have a finger printing mechanising for identifying and tracking criminals? I can still remember the controversy concerning Ibori’s conviction records in Asaba and how our entire judicial and policing structures were exposed to global ridicule!
What makes this story pathetic and ridiculous is the fact that the Budget Office an organ of the presidency was responsible for the slash and not the NASS yet the same agency saw nothing wrong with the figures presented by the petroleum minister.

Ngwakwe: Let them just investigate the signatories to the Bank Account and when it was effected.

As I can see, by calculation of number of shares listed below, they (Emeka Wogu and family) sold the company to these four individuals and should no more bear the responsibilities after the said date of transfer.

If he no longer sign for withdrawals and transactions made in the name of the company. He is free.

Sold the company by a board resolution effected in July 2012 and that makes him not culpable?
How very convenient and naive for a feeble mind.
The issue is not who the signatories to the bank account are but:
• who shortlisted the company and under what criteria?
• when was the contract to supply petroleum products signed?
• who authorised the transactions?
• who audited the supply?
Even the share holding structure of the company confirms the value of its paid up capital to be One Million Naira and we are talking of a transaction of N2.7 Billion?
Which bank opened Letter of Credit(LC) for Billions of Naira contract to a company with just N1 Million share capital?
We don’t need a rocket scientist to prove the collusion and complacency of government agencies and financial institutions in this conspicuously glaring fraudulent transaction.
The Oil subsidy scam is at an unprecedented level under the administration of our current government and all indices point squarely at the complicity of the president.
Anything else is a mannequin which discerning Nigerians are not buying.

Gbawe: Precisely. Your perspective is totally correct. Why, with so many expensively maintained advisers, does this government keep managing to do things that show open disregard for the rule of law? Making this about Falana is asinine. We should worry about what these sort of actions portend for Nigeria.

You guys should not relent in giving us your constructive and educative comments.
The challenges we have in re-building this country are always better depicted by some of the bizarre comments on this forum.
Africans have never really enjoyed or witnessed true democracy and this sometimes explains our myopic and pessimistic attitude towards the rule of law, constitutional rights, and roles of organs and agents of governments.
The sad and ironic part is the unwillingness of our people to educate their minds through the words and actions of those pointing us in the right directions.

Sometimes, the digression on this forum exposes the thin cord that binds us together and makes it easier to understand why Nigeria is a failed project.
It has now become the order of the day for Nigerians to spool back crimes committed by previous governments and individuals in defence of the subsisting rot in our polity when it is so obvious that their reasoning is simply influenced by bigotry.
The honest truth about Nigeria is simply that all the constituent ethnic groups are guilty of corruption either actively or passively.
It is criminal for anyone to excuse or justify the idleness and lack of will of the current government in tackling corruption by referring to the past.
If GEJ is honest and transparent, it will be a spring board for him to curb the rot in his domain and the panacea to deal with past public officials indicted or accused of corruption. No practical Nigerian can allude corruption to GEJ and neither are we expecting GEJ to rid the land of corrupt practices.
What Nigerians are desirous of seeing is a president who is committed to fighting corruption in deeds and actions and not through mere rhetorics.