₦airaland Forum

jjwaterfalls: On my own point of view , for once am in support of GEJ's decision. I think his plan is a way of throwing confusion into d NMA so dat dey can come to dia senses dt dia demAndS ar unrealistic. But come to think of it why will doctors put money ahead of peoples lives, dey arent bothered becos I guess dey ar still receiving salary. It is rilly unfair. Ar dey d only workerS exposed to hlth hazardS? Wat abt d nurse who is with d pt 24hrs why didn't dey say dey want to die? Wat abt d lab scientistss and oda hlth workers?

Abeg goodluck ride on jare

Pls sir read d demands.its nt about money.i think u got it all wrong

DebateNigeria: I doubt you are a doctor.....

Doubt on.Your choice

DebateNigeria: I am here again. Let's debate this. I have to do some research.
But I am also aware that in some school of nursing (in Nigeria), student nurses are paid whereas medical students are not.
I disagree with you completely.
Anytime they are taking a survey, they take a survey of people in similar group. There is no way they will compare salary of a medical consultant to that of an entry nurse.
To make headway in this argument we must decide to use USA as our case study and then look at how much they pay specialist nurses and specialist doctors, entry level nurse and entry level doctor (GP or medical officer). Resident doctors are in school I guess, so we can only compare them to those in school of nursing.

This one is high oo.ur comparing a resident doctor to a student of school of nursing.too much weed.

phantom: please look for something else to hamper on.they can write anyway they deem fit after all this is a social site.

U dey mind the guy.

nouveaux: for once, show through your write up that you are learned and civil. Its a slap on your profession, jokes and beef apart.

Are u really this dull?
I wasn't d one that came here to lie and accuse people wrongly.
Get a life bro

nouveaux: you could still be thrown out of medical school you know? So, concentrate on making yourself better. LASU product oshi.

Mr man,u are very stupid.u come join lie.lasu lo sula ni mumu oshi.
FYI I didn't finish from lasu.fool I don't even stay In lagos.
What kind of human being are you?lying like dis!!! I sure say u go dey steal join.
U called me LASU product yet u said I cd still be thrown out of medical school.
Can u get any dumb*r!

nouveaux: why don't you walk into a bookshop and get some books on manners, courtesy and grammar? It would do you good. Not in mood for exchange of insults, if I start, nl would collapse. Alainilari oponu omokere

Hahaha.if ur pained u don't have to take it out on me naw. why don't u point out my mistakes.why ll nairaland collapse because of a nobody. Una mentally troubled folks fit amaze person oo.Ur surname na dodoyo

drobadebayo: Dude u are a very big fool.ur so daft to think I d write behind based canal instead of an*l canal.thats d mods work u idiot.they change words dey see as vulgars if ur too stupid to to figure it out

Omg it's stup**d not silly

nouveaux: at least I never bragged And pls. I don't like old men quoting me.

Dude u are a very big fool.ur so daft to think I d write behind based canal instead of an*l canal.thats d mods work u idiot.they change words dey see as vulgars if ur too stupid to to figure it out

nouveaux: were u not thought how to spell in school? Or how to reason and make presentable presentation? All these yoruba medical schools sef. That's how will will see a 500level medical student blowing grammatical blunders in thick yoruba accent. So repulsive.

Well I was taught nt "thought" olodo.
Nd if u meant d "behindcanal",that was nairaland's work u fool.U also think from ur an*s

lrguru: sir I have read and understood completely all that was said as regards your demands, but some of them could have been settled within yourselves rather than goin on strike, like the 'consultant thing'. If a pharmacist/nurse wants to be a consultant, like a consultant nurse, he/she should always say it in full to the patient, like 'I am a consultant nurse' and not just a consultant, and each roles of each consultant should be defined like someone rightly said. Consultant doctors/physicians go through series of text/exam/courses to become a consultant doctor, and we all know they are well respected in the hospital environment. I believe if things are done this way, n a patient gets to meet a consultant nurse who introduces himself/herself as a consultant nurse, the patient alone reserves the right to choose if or not he/she will accept treatment from the nurse, or go to a doctor instead. Where there will be problem is when the nurse just introduces himself/herself as a consultant without sayin whether a nurse/pharmacy/physician that where I think should be corrected. Cos we all know the role each medical practitioner plays in a hospital, whether you are a physician, a lab scientist, a nurse, a pharmacist, a radiographer, a physiotheraphist, so u cannot usurp anybody's profession even if u are a consultant, u can't be a consultant pharmacist and take the postion of a lab scientist. And all the talk about doctors been indispensable, as in can comfortably take up the role of others in the hospital is not true. We all need one another, and we all know that a doctor is most respected in the hospital and among humans too. So please you all should settle this things once and for all. I am for doctors being the head of the hospital, (CMD) but I'm against doctors stopping others from getting to the top of their carriers too, like been a director. My humble submission

Thank u
Personally I wouldnt care who becomes a consultant or not but this will cause more harm in the long run
We already have physician-surgeons,nurse-surgeons,pharmacist-physicians. People posing to be who they are not and causing so much trouble for everyone.If everyone is cool is who dey are and wat dey can do,there will be peace.We r supposed to be united nd nt divided because of greed.
Thank u again

RedBenson: How intellcetually lame can u be young man? In my quote, it was simple for one to deduce that the primary aim of the strike may not be to divert patients to thier private hospitals but in the other hand, these striking doctors (esp. those owning/working full time or part time) benefit from this closure of teaching hospitals. Is that too hard to understand? Dude, u need to go back to primary school for proper education. Smh!

This was ur post sir

RedBenson:

Lol. Rain don dey spoil show for person here over the last 4days.

This Doctors strike is a deliberate attempt to pull patients to thier private clinic. This is very true. I have relations who own private clinics and they can attest to increased patronage in thier clinics this striking period.


"Deliberate attempt"
Now I c ur nt just stupid but also a liar. A stupid liar Mr RedBenson,thats what u are.

skabber2: NMA can't be sued nor sue?
because?

If johesu did her homework well,she wd know.
D same NIC couldn't stop NMA from embarking on dat strike in d first place.
Suing dem to dt court is a joke.

adeoladrg: How come implementation of the policy will constitute anarchy but SGF won't? How come Nigeria is not ripe for consultant pharmacist and nurses but ripe for Surgeon General?

For me, both parties are selfish and don't have the interest of the public at heart.

Am not in support of any of dem,so we r clear.

skabber2: Where were you when MDCAN took FG to court to stop the implementation of its agreement with JOHESU?
Hypocrite!

Stopping Implementation of a policy that will constitute anarchy and suing NMA to court by johesu are widely distinct.
Don't forget that johesu threatened strike if surgeon general was appointed.
Johesu likes playing dirty but unfortunately NMA can't be sued nor cn dey sue.dey cn go ahead nd sue MDCAN though.

lrguru: I'm beginning to think that doctors are interlopers, whose main aim it to impede other health professionals success. Why won't u want others to grow in their own carrier, yet u attack JOHESU and say what is their business if NMA goes on strike, when in actual sense NMA are on strike, most because it want to truncate the JOHESU's carrier path. I don't hate doctors, but with this act of NMA, I think they are inhibitors

Just before u conclude sir,pls read this

http://drnnanna..com/2014/07/what-do-these-doctors-want.html?spref=fb&m=1&m=1

RedBenson: Most (if not all) doctors i know have one connection or the other in private hospitals. Some of them work part time there. Now tell me how are they not benefit from this strike

Dude was educatg u,yet ur bent on being ignorant.so they started a strike to divert people to deir private clinics?its important not to reason from ur anal canal u knw.

RedBenson: Lol. Rain don dey spoil show for person here over the last 4days.

This Doctors strike is a deliberate attempt to pull patients to thier private clinic. This is very true. I have relations who own private clinics and they can attest to increased patronage in thier clinics this striking period.

Sir,permit me to say that u hv impaired reasoning.how could u think like that

Lmfao.Johesu is startg to act like a kid

moshoodn: Truth is most doctors in Nigeria are not committed.

Most are in for the money.

What the hell happened to the Hippocrates Oath!

Only Nigerian Doctors strike in the world (quote me on this anywhere). Does that mean all other governments of the world are performing optimally in the Health Sector?

I'm not standing in for the FG, but if truly the docs respect the oath they took, they will be more diplomatic and tactical.

FGs all around the world are all evasive, so its not a Nigerian issue.

Coming to air to lay the issue to bare will only attact public sympathy to the more eloquent side.

I wish they resolve it soonest and people can get their treatments.

Well since u asked us to quote u
That was a lie,not only Nigerian doctors go on strike
Greeks doctors;2013
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/10/greece-doctors-strike-healthcare-reforms

Indian doctors;
http://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/aiims-doctors-go-on-strike-after-patients-relatives-assault-three-colleagues/
Ghana doctors ;
http://m.bbc.com/news/world-africa-22128960

Why would u lie and then dare people to quote you.i just don't get that.

bumfem: Thank u on this. It was my tablet changing those spelling. I shall be looking out for such next time.

Thank u so much.

You'r welcome Sir

Some people will just come here to display their superior stupidity and ignorance.

sonnie10: When a medical physicist (a consultant in radiology) is earning $200k and above per annum in US while a primary care physician is managing to take $180K per annum, people are here exhibiting ignorance about US payscale. These are individuals that have advanced there career from their humble being as radiographers. Every professional should be allowed to advance in his/her field. This medical physicist are also called resident/ consultants. I challenge any doctor here to tell us which specialty in medicine, be it either radiologist or oncologist has the training to handle the job of a medical physicist. That why the continue to roast cancer patients with wrong radiation doses in Nigeria in the name of delivering radiation doses. The simple physic in the radiologist board exam is the nightmare of every aspiring radiologist/oncologist. Dem no born any doctor well to attempt classical physics courses! QUOTE ME ANYWHERE.

Ignorance.why compare a radiographer to a primary care phydician(someone who may or may not hv had residency training)why don't u go ahead and compare with an intervention all cardiologist who makes 3ce that of ur medical physicist.And a radiologist is different from a radiographer both her and in the US.Get ur facts right nd stop being ignorant.have u heard of radiation oncology?smh

Morotov1: This is ego talking.....right because a physician trained and board certified will know that in treating anything joint, there is conservative, surgical and rehabilitation....so relying on only NSAIDS, STERIODS AND COX INHIBITORS is not a good management plan. Please, this is one of the global best practices we are begging for.

How does this represent ego?
What's the definitive treatment for knee osteoarthritis?it's knee replacement and it's done by surgeons.The conservative plan ur talking simply means pain relief and physiotherapy.To say physio is the mainstay is not right.Its surgery.when it can't be done u den resort to pain relief nd physiotherapy

bumfem: Lier ,Lier !! Lier !!! Physiotherapists are neuro musculoskeletal practitonals. They have the right to practice independently in Nigeria and exwhere in gov't hospitals and physio own clinics . Patients see Physiotherapists by medical referrals or by self referrals. No law stops patients from see physio on first contact in nigeria. In Canada and exwhere across the globe Physiotherapists are designated primary health provider. I mean in Canada and,Aussie UK and many developed countries in the world .Physio status in these climes are not by fiat. It is a product of comprehensive empirical studies regards physio relevance and importance at primary health. It is also a function of robustness of physio training and scope especially in musckuloskeletals . They are only second to orthopeadic surgeon in ability and competence in identifying musculoskeletal diseases and movement disorder. So they are recognized in western world as first class physical diagnosticians in modern medical practice .

So we are not talking about claims born out of emotion and hate and not by serious empirical evidence . I notice you are ignorant of lots of thing outside your medicine. And pls retrain from reacting to every comment. We all know in parts. Do not be jack of all trade.

Just my 2 naira.

Elsewhere not exwhere.liar not lier,dont be offended pls

http://www.medicalworldnigeria.com/2014/07/rape-of-the-black-gold-ndash-nma-strike-and-the-crisis-in-nigeria-rsquo-s-health-sector-part-2-by-agwaza-maxwell-dagba#.U708dzjTXHw

Nice write up,dude spoke ma mind

double0seven: Because activism is either the mother or offspring of politics: and politics is about resource allocation; about who get what, when, and how?

You may not be interested in such mundane things, but your Ogas at the Top of the hierarchy definitely are. They see the bigger picture and making way ahead for you guys.

So what are those motives u speak of?Johesu is the one with funny motives here,Our ultimate objective is patient care.We swore an oath nd we shall uphold it at levels.

double0seven: How can this true, doctors have one of the most activist union in the Nigerian state. The activism of your union is second to only that of the oil and gas worker's union: pengansen.

How is activism similar to having other motives,even if Wat u just said were true.

pfijacobs: Who be dis fool? Comparing johesu to nasu? U dey madt? Check ur hierarchy wella men in d faculty of medicine, there is medicine as a dpt, physiotherapy, dentistry, and so on so why d stewpid analogy? U just hatin and dey aint ranting! Jusy forget it... Ur pharoahtic monopoly is over... In luth here a microbiologist is d provost so get ur info ryt... Re.tarded ass.hole

We should stop lying to buttress our points
The provost of luth med skl is a doctor,prof folashade tolulope nd of course,she did residency in clinical micro nd parasitology

double0seven: You assume I'm a heath sector practitioner. Well I'm not. it just so happens that I've lives inside a teaching hospital for many many years, so all the politics going onbisvopen to me. I see firsthand what's happening.

Ur not an health practitioner?yet u feel doctors have other motives.but I can tell u doctors barely are interested in anything else aside medicine.I rest my case.

U guys act as if doctors are preventing nurses from becoming chief nursing officers or matrons.u act as if doctors are trying to relegate you.As if physiotherapists are not allowed to head their departments.being a consultant is not the highest post attainable by health workers in nigeria.an hospital appoints u as a consultant if they need you and u have the appropriate training.
What dey are saying is simple,you won't find a doctor doing a physio's job,so don't go near deirs.
The hospital is however based on team spirit,we need to work together no doubts.

double0seven: because I don't know it offhand doesn't mean it don't exist. The nurses and pharmacist who become consultants in the US and UK, don't they have guidelines and requirements. All you need do is follow global best practices.

I don't wanna jump into conclusions.
Am a doctor,i know the guidelines of becoming a hospital consultant.You should know urs too.i don't wanna beliv u are fighting for a cause u don't know
For a doctor to become a consultant,u need at least 6 years post MBBS training in ur specialty of choice.At the end of which ur appointment is terminated(at d end of training).u can then reapply to that hospital or other hospitals for the post of a consultant."its kinda like hey UCH,am now a fellow of west African college of surgeons,can u gimme a job".
That is why a medical officer(a doctor)even after doing MSc,PhD,diplomas and 30years of service will not dream of becoming a consultant.