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Beautiful Thread. Smile.

Since the West see's African people: as Primitive.

What would be their plans for Primitive people in the 21st century?

TayoD,

Please specify, which, "post-church dispensation" you think the scripture fits in?

1. The Great Tribulation?

2. The Millenial Kingdom?

TayoD,

I don't know what you mean by two different salvation or religion. Salvation in our day and age is squarely through the Lord Jesus. You believe in Him and you will be saved.

I believe that salvation is squarely through the Lord Jesus Christ, in all ages. That is one difference between dispensationalists and non-dispensationalists.

When the bible says: God left those from the past unpunished and God made all wait for their reward so that we would all recieve at the same time. (pp)

This is reason that the dead were preached too, because they had to be given their chance also, right?

I do not believe that Jews got saved differently in their day than they do in the new testament days.

The dispensation after the church during the millenium kingdom obviously attests to this truth where the Bible declares all nations must come to Jerusalem to keep the feasts of tabernacles without which there will not be rain in their land. This is definitely not a church-age scripture which is yet to be fulfilled.

Are you saying that Zec 14 verse 18 refers to the Millenial Kingdom?

Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt does not go up, nor come in, they shall have no rain, but the plague with which Jehovah shall strike the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

TayoD,

I used to be a dispensationalist. Then it occured to me, that what they teach is that God sent 2 different religions to the earth but both religions are true. Judaism and Christianity.

The link shows this problem with dispensationalists:

"With the call of Abraham and the giving of the Law, there are two widely different standardized, divine provisions whereby man, who is utterly fallen, might come into the favor of God."10

As some one who comes from a family of preachers, the idea that there could be 2 different ways of salvation, 2 different ways of getting to heaven, 2 different but both true religions sent to the earth by God was something my mind could not accept.

I mean if there are two different religions -- different but both true, why not 3 different religions? Why not 20 different religions all true but all different?

I began to investigate and that is how my studies of dispensationalism began.

I concluded that such an idea was false.

Mazaje,

Forgive my arrogance. It comes from normally only being around Christians or those who love Christians (i.e. athiest or agnostic or even NOI muslims).

This question is directed towards Christians or people who already believe in the bible.

It is not meant to be a discussion about whether Christianity or Judaism are the only true religions versus the other religions but within the realms of the Bible.

babyosisi,

Let your readers decide if what you say is confusing them.

TayoD,

Alright. We'll do it later.

Have a good day. Smile.

One needs only show the numerous slave chains to prove that African Americans were a kidnapped and stolen people.

A man who voluntarily enslaves himself (like to marry your daughter, as the bible shows) doesn't need to be chained and held in strong irons to be enslaved. (the reason that slave chains for white indentured servants do not exist.)

So we can know for sure that our Continental African Anscestors were "kidnapped and stolen".

babyosisi,

In Bible days,people owned slaves too,it's an age old tradition but the scriptures enjoins people to treat their slaves/servants right and pay them their due wages.
I'm sure that was far from the case here.

The bible actually says this:

Exo 21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

The bible did not at any time allow Jews to steal or kidnap men for slavery.

And look closely, it says that a kidnapped or stolen slave can not be found in your hand.

So the bible associates the guilt of slavery -- as long as the person is held and not just when first kidnapped or stolen.

Under biblical laws, Slave owners in America would be put to death.

Don't confuse our slavery with biblical slavery.

Dispensationalism A Return to Biblical Theology or Pseudo Christian Cult?

"What is indisputably, absolutely, and uncompromisingly essential to the Christian religion is its doctrine of salvation, If Dispensationalism has actually departed from the only way of salvation which the Christian religion teaches, then we must say it has departed from Christianity. No matter how many other important truths it proclaims, it cannot be called Christian if it empties Christianity of its essential message. We define a cult as a religion which claims to be Christian while emptying Christianity of that which is essential to it. If Dispensationalism does this, then Dispensationalism is a cult and not a branch of the Christian church. It is as serious as that. It is impossible to exaggerate the gravity of the situation."
John H. Gerstner, Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism (Brentwood TN: Wolgemuth & Hyatt, 1991), 150.

I will refer readers to this page, even though I have not read the page myself. I have many sources over months and years for my belief that dispensationalism is false theology.

I just offer this one as a way of giving you an idea of why a Christian may consider dispensationalism to be false.

http://users.frii.com/gosplow/disp2.html

4play,

Kindly look at the topic title again. It's about where politics and religion.

Dru,

I think you need to slow down a little bit.  I really don't understand how you link up this issue with the scripture that claims all of God's children are gods (Psalm 82).  Besides, I have no problem calling myself what the Bible calls me.  That is my understanding of humility - subjecting my thoughts and ideas to the Bible.

TayoD,

Psalm 82 never mentions any human beings as god, at all. The fact that you think it calls "people", lil gods -- even though it never mentions humans as gods. Just shows how it could be possible that you are being led by interpretations of the bible, rather than what the scriptures ACTUALLY SAY.

It happens to all of us. So don't feel bad about it. Be determined to defeat it and hear from God more clearly about what the bible REALLY SAYS.

You talk about the Holy Spirit doing the job alone.  Can you please tell us how else the Holy spirit works on earth without the involvement of His Church?

Outside of the church, the Holy Spirit is on the earth and is not dependent on human beings to accomplish the Will of God. Read Genesis Chapter 1.

Gen 1:2  And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Clearly no humans and clearly the Spirit of God was here on Earth.

And how come there is a taking away of the church when this event happens?

Because this world age ends at the same time as Jesus returns for His church.

I know you believe a lot of things that are contrary to this like a 7 year tribulation where Jews are saved and given their land. But their beliefs of your religion and not what the bible teaches.

There is a dispensational requirement that makes it mandatory for the church to be out of here before the anti-christ can be fully manifest.  In that sense, the church also restrains his appearing.  But what do I know?

You probably are going to be surprised by this because apparently you have not dug that deep into what the bible actually says.

But dispensationalism has been considered a false tenet of Christianity for a very long time.

Some rather old and widely loved and proven world famous Christians have denounced dispensationalists as people on their way to hell.

Sorry. I know how shocking this must be to you.

Question:

Did God send 2 different but true religions?

Are Judaism and Christianity both true, even though they different religions?

Goodguy,

I agree. 100 percent.

There is no such thing as: Freewill for humans.

There is only slavery to "sinful human nature".

Christians however when given the Holy Spirit are set free from their sinful human nature and given the ability to choose.

Dr.Tee,

Asking such questions, implies that there is a system of "fairness" with which humans can judge God.

No such system of fairness exists.

We however can go to the bible for our answer and it says that God is fair.

TayoD,

There is no support for such thinking in the Book of Thessolonians.

The idea comes from pure speculation of christians.

And as I said on the religious board, when me and somebody (I don't remember who) discussed the idea.

My belief that the Holy Spirit, Period, not through the church, stops the AntiChrist, is in fact what Christians have always believed for hundreds if not thousands of years.

Adding "through the church" is new.

It was added to go along with the new prosperity gospel idea that in fact "Christians are little gods."

A belief that is AntiChrist.