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Sista,

hmmm, have to reread that and see if i can understand it, later.

Maybe, then again maybe you are just reading too much into it.

Kag,

I just went and read a couple of sites about Alien invaders. The most popular Alien: the gray/white. Also high up there the blonde/nordic alien.

A lot of people have noticed the pattern of the movies, apparently.

By the way, here is Nasa talking about the 100+ planets that have been found.

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/newworlds/marcy.html

Sista,

I read your post. I think the proof for your point of view is exactly what I am talking about what is coming from them theirselves and reflected in their pop culture.

By the way: Whoever said there are millions of planets where life is sustainable has been watching too much scifi.

Not one-- I repeat -- Not one planet where life can be sustained has EVER been found.

And at most they have only found approximately 100+ planets and almost all of them are VERY VERY different from the Earth, and still not one could sustain life.

Sista,

No. I am sorry. I did not go that far. I just read the topic question and answered. Smile.

Even further think about this.

Besides all the superior Aliens who take over the world being Albino looking in movies.

The dark aliens who show up are always ANIMALS - bugs, etc and SAVAGE and KILL for no reason. (Aliens, Predators)

People do not even comprehend what their seeing, their too busy enjoying it.

I will go back and read your posts.

Job

M4Malik,

Your probably right, Maybe I should have used the word atonement, rather than salvation. In the old testament the sacrifices  gave atonement for sins.

(Exo 29:36)  And thou shalt offer every day a bullock for a sin offering for atonement: [/b]and thou shalt cleanse the altar, when thou hast made an atonement for it, and thou shalt anoint it, to sanctify it.


(Exo 30:10)  And Aaron shall make an atonement upon the horns of it once in a year with [b]the blood of the sin offering of atonements: once in the year shall he make atonement upon it throughout your generations: it is most holy unto the LORD.

(Exo 30:15)  The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.
(Exo 30:16)  And thou shalt take the atonement money of the children of Israel, and shalt appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.

(Exo 32:30)  And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin.

In the New Testament Jesus gives atonement for us:

Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9  Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10  For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Rom 5:11  And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Further than that we can go to the book of Hebrews one chapter earlier:

Heb 9:19  For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
Heb 9:20  Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
Heb 9:21  Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
Heb 9:22  And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Heb 9:23  It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:24  For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Heb 9:25  Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Heb 9:26  For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.


Now if we add in Hebrews Chapter 10 verse 1:

Heb 10:1  For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

We can see that the writer was not saying that the blood of bulls and goats did not atone for sin but that they had to be continually offered because they were inadequate to make people perfect.

I don't think that the OT sacrifices saved anyone - not even the Jews, otherwise the same sacrifices would be just sufficient to save them today after the vicarious work of Jesus on the Cross had been accomplished.

Jesus Christ left their house desolate (the abomination of desolation) it's not like they could offer the sacrifices today anyways.

That was the point of the 'abomination of desolation' to take away the first covenant through which the blood of goats and bulls could atone for sins, yearly.

The Abomination of Desolation, is still in effect.

However, that the OT sacrifices did not save anyone under the old covenant, my persuasions are borne out of the following texts:

Heb 10:3 - But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

Heb 10:4 - For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Heb 10:11 - And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

Heb 10:12 - But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Heb 10:14 - For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Again. I think we can miss what is being said here by not looking at verse 1:

Heb 10:1  For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Blood from animals could not make one perfect but they could atone for sin for a while. The same as Jesus atoned for our sins, but since our covenant is a better covenant, our atonement through Jesus makes us perfect.

Again, this is not convincingly sustained in the Bible. God sees only three groups of people from according to I Cor. 10:32 - (a) the Jews; (b) the Gentiles; and (c) the Church of God. In the Church, it is categorically declared that there is neither Jew nor Greek (Gal. 3:28 and Col. 3:11); so it is quite untenable to reason that we are joined to the 12 tribes of Israel. When you turn for a minute to Revelation 7, after the twelve tribes were mentioned, the Bible says in verse 9:

"After this [that is, after the 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel in the preceding verses] I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands."

Were these added to the twelve tribes of Israel? Not at all. We do not become Jews after believing in Christ; neither do we hold onto our 'Gentile' distinctives. We are simple the Children of God by faith in His Son, and consequently known as Christians, and ot Jews or Gentiles.

Just my observations. Regards.

Corinthians just mentions not to give offense to non-believers whether Jews or Gentiles and don't give offense to believers either.

You mentioned 2 groups in Revelations:

1. Jews from the 12 tribes
2. All kinds of peoples

But even more key would be this verse, telling where all the non-Jewish people came from:

Rev 7:14  And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

To believe that the first was simple the actual RACIAL Jews from the 12 tribes, and the second were somehow Christian non-Jews.

One would have to prove that all Christians go through the great tribulation.

Where are the Christians in this scenario who died long before the Great Tribulation, those who never went through the tribulation?

The bible tells you who is a Jew and who is not a Jew:

Rom 2:28  For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

Rom 2:29  But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Babs787,

Alright. You want me to explain more of the verses. That's fine, I'll do it.

John 4v21-22: Jesus said unto her, woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem worship the father, ye worship ye know not what we know. We know we worship, for SALVATION is of the JEWS.

Jesus said that salvation is for the Jews because he came for Jews alone.

You changed this verse to say something, it does not say. This verse plainly says of the Jews. Jesus is plainly stating that it is the Bible or Word of God that the Jews had been entrusted with, that brings Salvation to the world.

This statement really eliminates all other Holy Books and saviors.

Mathew 15v24-26: but he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel……,
Here Jesus said, he was sent to the lost sheep of Israel although there are other countries apart from Israel but was sent only to them.

Mathew 10v5-6: these twelve, Jesus sent them forth and commanded them saying, go not on the way of the gentiles and unto any city of the Samaritans, enter ye not, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

I kept these two together because they are basically the same statement.

Jesus is stating the truth, He was sent for the lost sheep of Israel and sent His disciples to the lost sheep of Israel.

Why would Jesus be trying to speak to and save ONLY the lost sheep of Israel, while He lived?

It's simple. Israelites were doing blood sacrifices at the temple as ordered in the old testament, thus they could still be saved under the old system of animal sacrifices.

Meanwhile, Gentiles could not be saved under such a system until they had their own blood sacrifice.

Which was Jesus, [b]only after His death and blood sacrifice could outsiders be saved.

Jews had blood sacrifices and could be saved while Jesus lived.
Gentiles did not get their blood sacrifice until after Jesus died.

v28: and Jesus said unto them, verily I say unto you, that which have followed me, in the regeneration when the son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones judging the twelve tribe of Israel.

Jesus said that he and his disciples will judge the twelve tribes because he was sent only to Israel.

This is because all Christians are grafted into the tree of Israel when our root is Jesus.

Look who the bible calls a Jew --

Rom 2:28-29or he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

So gentiles are joined to the house of Israel. We do not remove them or replace them but we are joined to them. Thus we are joined to the 12 tribes.

It's not okay. Your pastor is just a dirty old man.

Babs787,

I challenge your assertions.

Let me just show you your wrong thinking with just one verse you offered from the bible.

mattew 1v21: and she shall bring forth a son, and thou shall call his name Jesus for he shall save his people from their sins.
Who are Jesus people? The Jews are the people of Jesus because he was sent to them alone.

Now add this verse to that one.

Mar 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Jesus states plainly that those who do the will of God are his people.

Don_mayor,

Absolutely not. Judgemental does not mean trying to tell another Christian what is right based on the word of God.

However we have to understand why Jesus says:

"Do not Judge" and also says "use right judgement".

There is a fine line between correction and judgementalness. Too many Christians end up on the wrong side of the line. Me included.

As far as unbelievers, the bible specifically tells us not to judge them because they are just doing what unbelievers do.

And in the case of christians we should be careful when we correct them, lest we fall.

Hypocrites to me are people who walk around making up sins (like cigarette smoking, drinking, not going to church) but totally ignore what the bible calls sin (not helping the poor, running after riches, pride).

The so called Christian life -->sucks big time.

I am a Christian but I have given up trying to live what is called a Christian life.

It's so hypocritical and doesn't have much to do with the bible.

Now I just keep it real. God loves truth.

I find that people who attempt to live a 'Christian life' quickly fall into complete sin and apostacy.

Once my neighbor asked me if I smoked weed. I said: No but I invented weed.

My brother and sister in law, intense christians, had a fit. They could not believe that I did not reprimand the guy and tell him he needed Jesus and in general go off on him.

3 years later -- their in total disarray, divorced, she done had an abortion, and a baby not my brothers, both drinking, she smoking weed, him gambling, etc, etc.

And not only them but all those who go into these Wacky hardcore christian life periods, eventually fall all the way from God.

It seems to be a pattern.

I once dreamed about my salvation, right after I got saved, God and Jesus showed themselves to me as 2 black guys with nice clothes and a fly car. Srota looking like rap stars. I won't go further into details about the dream and how I knew it was God and Jesus.

But the point is, God is not in heaven listening to Classical and Country music boring the angels to tears.

Too many people have an image of God that does not match what the bible teaches about a God who laughs, a God who sings, a God who says give beer to the poor so they forget their troubles, a God willing to get down to the nitty gritty and understand us.

So their christian life is smashed when they realize that they can not match up to their own make believe fake God of Victorian principals.

Me, I just try to keep it real and generally have more people truly converted to loving God and the bible. People are relieved and happy when they find out God is not like that. They find it easier to give up sin for such a loving God, when they realize that it does not mean becoming some inhuman hypocrite who judges every one else harshly.