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thinkmoney:
That hell in that portion of the Bible was translated from the word “Gehena”. It was an actual fiery place outside Jerusalem in Jesus’ time..

Yeah, we have heard that before.

And first you said hellfire and not hell.

Secondly you forget that, that burning firery place was first mentioned in Leviticus 6:13. No Jerusalem gehena then

Then David mentions it again. Still no Jerusalem gehena.

And the general idea of hellfire is a bad place no normal person wants to go into.

So, it is not about the words and meanings and past stories. But about the spirit surrounding the idea of an information

vdestro:
Then this has further shown me the understanding of Jesus' statement that not all shall taste of death.

But obviously all shall pass on, some to sleep for his beloved and others to death, hell and even the sea is holding some people..

I slightly disagree with you here for I just took note of this in my argument with Tctrill where the bible shows that both the just and the unjust are in death.

1 Thessalonians 4:16/17
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air

Daniel 12:2 and Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

So, the shall not taste death part refers to those who were in the presence of Christ who will see God's kingdom before they die

vdestro:
Wow, your revelation has opened up more for me to see.

Abel having being killed has being denied sleep which is what they who naturally pass on from this Earth in God, enjoy.

Cain has wrongfully deaded him and now in addition to cutting off his life prematurely, he is being held by death hence why he cries out until judgment is given him.

Hmmm, Cain is in big sh....

The guy kukuma know, do you not see how he lived quietly after that?

He clearly did not want to make his matter worser

Another example of God having a thing for the First

Abel is the First Case of a human crying out to Him for Just-is.

Abel was the first human versus human case in God's Court, and then Abel, was thrown in death, for God to give Abel just is, He has to meet Abel while he is in death to give him.

Which means that Cain has to die so that the 2 of them can face each other in His Court.

And since this had occurred, it then became necessary that kukuma let everybody's case land in death so that His Court can hear everything at once in the presence of the accused.

So, this is why Just is, is in the grave and in afterlife.

vdestro:
He is referring to the guy that said God should uncreate him rather than him do the needful himself.

Ehen. Ok

tctrills:
As usual, no one understands your point.

As usual your Lies continue to flow even after Google has given the explanation. But because it is against your Lies and delushuns, you lie some more pretending that you don't know this

tctrills:
As usual, no one understands your point.

As usual your Lies continue to flow

And because of this answer I now real eyes that God's justice has been moved to death and afterlife because of Abel.

For Abel is the First Case of a human crying out to Him for Just-is. (And God always has a thing for the first) https://www.nairaland.com/8281391/god-thing-first-there-always#133098226

So, because Abel was the first human versus human case in God's Court, and then Abel, was thrown in death, for God to give Abel just is, He has to meet Abel while he is in death to give him.

Which means that Cain has to die so that the 2 of them can face each other in His Court.

And since this had occurred, it then became necessary that kukuma let everybody's case land in death so that His Court can hear everything at once in the presence of the accused.

So, this is why Just is, is in the grave and in afterlife.

In responding to him, I always refer to Abel's murder when answering this question saying

"Do you not see that He hasn't given Abel just and Abel is in death?

So, it has to be in death so that everybody including Abel can get the just is He promised that He will give."

Like this guy we have all observed that it seems that God does not really give us the just-is we demand from Him while we are alive on the earth.

For, the association of misreaders and those pretending that they do not understand what I mean or what I am referring to, let me clear that I did not say that God does not give just -is here on earth.

But we all know and have experienced that in many cases, most times we have only a little just-is, like God Saying "just hold this one first and go on, I will deal with it". And then there are many others that we do not get anything at all eg like the just-is we want from God against politicians. Hence why we are always happy when they die. Hence the feeling of just is in the grave.

But, I know that some of us have been wondering why it is like this.

And now thanks to this guy comments, I think I have found why.

Webmasterchidi:
Hmm… that’s deep o. 🤔 Some people say it’s about justice or teaching a lesson, but then you wonder—if God is all-knowing, what’s really gained by punishment after life? Personally, I think it’s more about free will and consequences, but this question really makes you think about the bigger picture. What do you all think?

Smithwilliams826:
Baba no 1 unalive hin self. E still dey enjoy earth wey hin maker create.

Na pple like am Dem dey call hypocrite.

Who be Baba no 1 wey unalive hinself

Webmasterchidi:
Hmm… that’s deep o. 🤔 Some people say it’s about justice or teaching a lesson, but then you wonder—if God is all-knowing, what’s really gained by punishment after life? Personally, I think it’s more about free will and consequences, but this question really makes you think about the bigger picture. What do you all think?

Do you not see that He hasn't given Abel just and Abel is in death?

So, it has to be in death so that everybody including Abel can get the just is He promised that He will give.

GodPunishOsu:
Your God dey craze

Meanwhile, it is you who would go ma. D as cancer eats yewupalive in the market dustbin . Your motogopieces you for accident. Hospital go chop your money till you become beggar. And na only 100 you go make a day if dem give you before all the sicknesses wey dey your body finally off you go hel.

tctrills:
Before we continue, let us note that all humans, good or evil are offsprings of God.

Liar has come again with another Lie for it is Written "ye are of your father the devil" John 8:44,

A.I overview
Meaning: Jesus's statement means that their "father" is the devil because they are doing his works. He identifies the devil as the origin of lies and murder, and these individuals are acting in a way that is consistent with

tctrills:
We counter falsehoods not madness. You are right, I don't have the cure for foolishness so i don't counter it. I am here to discuss the bible not to discuss foolishness

If it was truly madness you would not have argued all day long. So, even today, you have started it with Lies!

And yet you are telling others to repent but you still remain a lieyar like them.

GanagiBitrus:
Do you believe there is Hell?

I was going to tell you that he won't answer your question rather he would be asking you questions all the way forever

thinkmoney:
There is no hellfire. The Bible doesn’t teach it

Mathew 5: 22 says you are lying

DeepSight:
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It even misses you that that's what Jesus taught.
Enjoy.

That, is definitely not what He taught on this point especially as He knew it was Commanded "vengeance is mine. I (God) will repay it".

Which is further confirmed that when He returns, He Comes with a Sword for His enemies.

So, don't run, the question still remains If you truly still believe you are right then come finish the dispute and answer whether you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your enemies where you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your loved ones?

It seems you have a belief of running away from debates when you see that it has been pointed out that you are wrong. For this is the second time that you are running from me when I counter your argument

DeepSight:
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I have quoted your book for you. If you like, continue to put evil words into the mouth of your own God. It is not my business.

Why are you running and changing post back to your what you said when we were testing whether such an opinion is correct or not, especially as you see that you are wrong to have said so?

If you truly believe you are right then come finish the dispute and answer whether you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your enemies where you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your loved ones

richmond500:
exactly, it's a waste of time even talking to him.
I will never learn anything from him even though I am open to learning and he will never learn anything from me cos he is focus on attack and any other principle will pierce his defence, he is full of cunning and pretence.

They say it is easier to wake a sleeping person that someone pretending to sleep. I'm done here

That is why I warned you. Whilst you are bonafide and have a fair mind of engagement, he is just to attack any belief he does not like and is not here to judge rightly and fairly whether an opinion is right, even if he did not think so at first.

DeepSight:
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That is completely different. If I say I am inside my house of course that means I am not outside.

But if I say I have planned wonderful things for my loved ones that by no means translates to mean I have planned torture for those I don't like.

First, I did not say torture

Secondly, by wonderful things I believe you mean good things, right?

If so, the answer- question then is, is it wonderful good things that you would plan for your enemies?

richmond500:
I noticed he has no answer, cos he has already told himself that when a question like this arise, he should just link it to spirituality and say "God did it". It's a cheap answer to complex question that needs convincing answer

Not really. He knows that his beliefs are sometimes wrong but to cover it, he dodges scrutiny and query. So, he is doing the principle of "attack is the best form of defence".

DeepSight:
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Oga you claimed he said so. He did not. I have shown you what he said.

It is you that is inferring the opposite by force.

And sadly, because of lack of integrity you can't even admit that you got the quote wrong.

Is inference not part of speech?

If you say you are not at home, have you not impliedly also said that you are outside your home?

Or if you say I will give my employees Christmas bonuses, do you not impliedly also say that you are not giving Christmas bonuses to people who do not work for you?

Life is left and right, heaven and earth. You can't say left and not remember right

richmond500:
nope, what I was saying is our link with chimpanzees and that was why I started with primate

You will answer questions till eternity meanwhile he will never answer your questions

DeepSight:
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Can you see just how your own hatred has caused you to put hateful evil words into the mouth of your own God? God doesn't say this in the Bible. He actually says the opposite.

The verse you are thinking of is 1 Corinthians 2:9, it talks about the beautiful things God has prepared are for those who love him, not those who hate him.

"However, as it is written: 'What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived'—the things God has prepared for those who love him." — 1 Corinthians 2:9

This is taken from Isaiah 64:4 which says - "Since ancient times no one has heard, no ear has perceived, no eye has seen any God besides you, who acts on behalf of those who wait for him."

So can you see yasef? How did you now twist the words of God into such evil hatred?

There is no twisting. Common natural sense already tells us, if you see the good, then you can see the bad. The Bible even mentions His Right Hand, yet no one remembers to check for His Left Hand

Thus, God has revealedHis Mind (Right Hand) towards those who love Him, so common sense tells us what He has in store towards those who hate Him (the silent not seen and not speaking Left Hand)

InvertedHammer:
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You brain is clouded with fear. You get cancer, if unable to treat it, you die. Shikena! Every living thing must die even if he prays and fasts 365 days in a year. Why are you scared of the inevitable? It is fact of life. Embrace it.
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Why are you deflecting if you are not the one afraid to the point of creating the delushun of saying hell is not real? Now you are deflecting.

So you see everyone can now see that you know hell is real

JooEeL:
U just dey shout cancer cancer since. Shey cancer don show ur papa family shege ni, this one wey u get hangover and PTSD over am?

If I ask if ur God is perfect, u go say yes. If I say why he allow cancer, u go say he allows good and bad. If I ask if your good christians don suffer cancer. You go still talk yes.

So where is your logic in all this? No go warm eba.

Na cancer dey reign na. So, I must talk am. And na wen una get cancer or deadly diseases na dat time
una dey see say hell real.
The way you people change ehn, after all your cursings swearings and saying "you will never repent" only for you people to turn and start reciting Bible passages and praying and absorbing prayer even when people are praying for another person.
E shock me.
So, I am simply pointing out that even you people know that you are lying when you say there is no hell.

iramure:
Emotional manipulation! Must you wish yourself cancer? Has cancer not afflicted a Christian like yourself before?
Honestly you religious people nor get sense!

Who is manipulating you? Do you think we do not see how you people change when calamity comes? I used cancer because it is too much these days. In those days it was accident and sickness that was the worsest thing that made people who did not pray before to start praying.

So, I am only saying this simply to prove to you people that you know you lying that hell is not real. That's all the point. It is only when you people are not in calamity that you people remember to be atheists.

Theawakensoul:
@Steep,

What you just did is a category error, and it’s important to point it out clearly.

You assumed that inner awakening = self-worship, and then jumped straight to calling it Satanism.
That conclusion does not logically follow from what was written..

It is always others who assume, but you don't abi?

I told you, your post are satanic because all posts like this are ivu as you are doing what the serpent did to female Adam and after that humanity died and became God's enemies

LebanonCedars2:
The question should be:

What will you gain gan if you choose Satan and his hell when there's Jesus and everlasting peace?!

They gained the enjoyment of sin. That is why they wish there is no hel

jay89:
When you start questioning all the stories in the Bible. You will start to question ur faith about organize religion. From tower of Babel, Noah to Moses this characters are not recorded any where in history except the Bible. The most shocking one is Israelite enslavement in Egypt was not recorded by the Egyptian except the stories on the Bible.

Yet, see how Egypt fears Isreal

JooEeL:
Your god has not healed a crippled, lame, leper, etc. since the invention of the camera.

Mugu. You'll still wait for science breakthrough, then claim its your god's miracle through science 😂

See delu, who said He was going to heal you?

In your stupi mind you think He left Heaven to come and do healing? Did His prophets not heal people?

Even after all this rubbish when you have kidney cancer you would still pray and start begging people to pray for you. And your prayer is not even for healing