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SpencerForbes:
Yeah the reason I didn’t indulge wasn’t that God told me not to but the society and Roman Catholic told me it’s bad. It’s my nature to have sex when I’m of age but people like you curbed it and I’m not saying it’s bad but don’t make it sound divine. Period
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Like you see and hear from God. Please.

samuelson06:
I'm not aware the forbidden fruit is what you call it. What makes you feel they were having sex before God came calling them? What if they were living that way until their trouble with the serpeant came?

I don't understand you

Have you not seen that God always comes after we sin? They had finished having sex before God came.

And they were not living that way for we can all see that God usually comes to visit them and clearly did not run away from Him. .. until that day.

SpencerForbes:
They weren’t made impure by God. It was made by the Roman Catholic to curb barbarism. Paul never had anything to tell the Christians on sexual sins. Your church made it so to curb uncivility which is human nature. My issue is don’t make it sound like it was stated by God, Jesus or Paul. It was never written by them. Tell us straight up and don’t make it sound divine.

Is it not Paul who described homosexuality and sexual wreckfulness in Romans 1 and 2 describing them as impure and unholy and ungodly?

SpencerForbes:
After marriage of “consent” as you say is what?🤔
What are the percentage of people that don’t indulge after their wedding🤔

You expect two grown up to see animals doing things and procreating and you’re telling me they won’t wanna know what the animals are doing with fully developed brains and no warning?

Preacher keep dragging me into pit of confusion.
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Since nursery, primary and junior secondary school have you not been seeing animals and humans doing sexual acts?

So, off Point! So, deal with it

pasol4real:
Say what you know n stop misinforming ppl

I have said what I know. If you oppose, present it and let all of us see if it shall stand and knock out my own assertion

dollypi:
Lol... I do not currently find this logical. Maybe when I gather more information

I understand. You can check and see if it is possible for any baby or child to grow into an adult without someone being a parent to him/her

dollypi:
You think the eden story actually happened.

I don't believe it to be true. I prefer to believe it is a symbolic representation of deep mental/psychological truth.

Not to be taken as historical truth, especially since the story is present in religions older than Christianity

The mere fact that it is present in other religions is proof that it is True

dollypi:
I guess orphans are doomed to remain single for life

God has made it so that even orphans too have "parents" as no baby can grow unparented. It just not possible

gohf:
my point was based on you mentioning standard and naming three men while misusing the intent of why God mentioned them in the first place so as to elevate your own standard of morality as it relates to sex.

God said do not call unclean what he has made clean, so what exactly have you done now, Mr. Dtruthspeaker?

And all I did was to point out what God called "clean" and the standard He Himself Set.

And a vessel that is not clean on the inside also God als clearly Said that it is not clean.

SpencerForbes:
Nah you’re trying to confuse me prophet 😂 we don’t wait cos of consent. We’re waiting cos of the present situation of things and health implications.

Then, Adam and Eve had everything. Why did God create eve as a lady if he didn’t want them to procreate??

He created all animals in twos and they were having sex cos that’s nature and he created “Adam and eve” and you’ll tell me he didn’t know they were going to have sex or he was still waiting for Adam to ask him before they had sex

Yet, many did not get their girlfriend pregnant the second they showed her to their parents, even when they have the finance to perform the wedding. Tinubu no dey dat time, so no excuse

SpencerForbes:
I’m even having a thought that they were even having sex before they ate the fruit except their brains weren’t fully developed. Which I doubt.
So I’m sure disagree with you on that. This sex rules are just created by churchians to keep the system in order.

Adam male and female were created adults hence the word "man" and not children. So it means that their brains were ready made and follow come.

And so, they were not having sex as it even is when have fallen in love.

So, you see The Law of sex and marriage was already upon us even before church was created.

gohf:
Jesus is the standard and he didn't marry so should we not marry as well?

Is that why you mentioned Daniel, job and Noah?

Jesus is The Lord and He Said marriage is permissible. So, this is off point.

And I have already explained why I said Noah, Daniel and Job, so you don't have any reasonable thing to say again

gohf:
then were you using them to degrade the others or were you suggesting that that's what God was doing by mentioning those three

I was only pointing out what Mark and Standard God clearly wants and how He shall be very happy with anyone who kept it.

SpencerForbes:
But God told them to go into the world and multiply. How🤷‍♂️ Were they supposed to create their kids with clay?? Or isn’t that consent?

You would see that it was stated even before the female was created exactly as we all know that if we have sex, we would multiply.

Yet, we all waited and many use condoms so as not to multiply before parental consent is given.

gohf:
did you not condemn the rest?

Am I the one with the jurisdiction to condemn?

It is conscience and God Who have jurisdiction to condemn.

All I did was simply state that God marked Noah, Daniel and Job scored them "PERFECT"

SpencerForbes:
So whose consent did Adam need again? Since you said it was fornication?

Who caused you to fall in love with a specific girl? And that the same girl even loves you and wants to be with you, is it not God?

And they had God with them, so exactly like us, all they needed to do was Wait

And like us, Sathan always tries to break our relationships by causing and getting one of us to cheat!

SpencerForbes:
And do animals also need this consent??

I'm not privy to The Laws of u marriage God might have given to animals nor do I know if He gave them at all

The one I know is about the ones He gave us, who He called "man"

Kalulu44:
Bcus oyibo get sense pass us. If to say oyibo no show us how to use handset and internet, you for never dey use am now

So we be no dey talk b4 oyibo make handset?

gohf:
and the rest where condemned because those three only where mentioned? Wait did Daniel even marry?..

Did you hear me say condemned?

SpencerForbes:
Did the Bible state that Sarah was in her father’s house.

Where else would she be married from? And did you not read that they are like relations which means that their parents know themselves?

Please, you have no thing.

SpencerForbes:
So now if the parent of a girl should give me consent to marry their daughter and I get her pregnant and I refuse to pay her dowry. Does that make me her husband🤔

Have you not heard of parents who even helped a man pay bride price (not dowry), or even waive it or take a price that the man can pay?

Or have you not heard of people bringing the more than the bride price, yet the parents refused consent?

It is parental consent that makes the marriage and not the bride price

SmartPolician:
No, Christianity started when Christ came and selected His apostles who were called Christlike at Antioch. People had been having sex before that time.

So Christ did not exist before He Came?
And then John 1/Proverbs shows that He is even the One Who created us.

SmartPolician:
Adam's and Eve's earthly parents were God Himself because they didn't have any. So, they didn't break anything.

It was after Adam blamed God for giving him a woman; that led him astray, God asked man to start getting himself a man of his choice.

Blaming God is not the only offence Adam committed.

And this is even proven by the fact many couples who planned on marrying each other real eyesed that they got punished when they had sex before marriage. Eg for many of them it was after that day that their plans and marriage and prosperity scattered

samuelson06:
Adam had sex before marriage? Where's that in the Bible?

Have you not heard that the forbidden fruit is sex?

I prove it in this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/7947204/truly-forbidden-fruit-sex#127583663

Only to see that other people had found same even before me

VinnyBaba:
The OP is clearly RIGHT.

Very Right thinking Person knows This.

Only Church fanatics and Dullards will disagree.

The Way God Punished Adam and Eve is way TOO SEVERE for a sin of eating Fruits.

[b]Again, why will 2 persons eat Fruit and run to cover their Genitals [/b]when they heard God is coming?

SpencerForbes:
Define marriage please🤔 so marriage is until we go to church right? Adam and Eve were not married or he should have paid her dowry to God abi likewise Sarah, Rebecca and Rachael. I think we should go back to Sunday school🚶‍♂️

Do you not see that parental consent is the beginning and validity of marriage?

Abraham was in his father's house when he married Sarah, so it means parental consent was there. And you can see it play out in Rebecca and Rachel. (Don't forget that Laban was as a father to Jacob since Jacobs parents are now far away)

And that is why I said marriage is done at permission and Blessing and Celebration of the parents

juwoonn:
You can only argue this based on Trinity..
But in reality Christianity started with Jesus Christ... It means people who believes in Jesus and follow his teachings; people who are Christlike.
But sex has been in existence since the days of Adam and Even in the garden of Eden.
Inorder words, God created sex long before Jesus Christ came (Christianity started with Jesus Christ).

Trinity or not, the bible shows that Christ is The Lord. The Same Lord we see in Genesis

AntiChristian:
This is your ancestral Bible version design by you!

Romans 2:14 is in all Bibles. Just say that you were shocked that bible covered this matter

ReacherSaidNoth:
Man is an animal and animals have a natural urge for sex. With everything else, moderation is important.

Demonizing nature is something only the low thinking and religious engage in.

You do not ask for moderation when your girlfriend or wife cheats or when your daughter comes home pregnant

Prevention is better than moderation here.

Jayjayconcept:
And God still Bless the sinful Act with the fruit of the womb 🤣..

Even Jesus told them, if any has no sin he or she should cast the first stone..

So loving Jesus.

Conji na bastard 😊,Just relax God will forgive.

Being barren is not the only punishment following fornication

gohf:
if the Bible did indeed define fornication as sex outside marriage then there many fornicators in the Bible from Abraham Jacob Judah down to every single Israelite that slept with their fiance before the ceremony.

And God did uphold them on His score of "PERFECT".

But Noah, Daniel, Job scored it. And no where did you see them fornicate or commit adultery or polygamy

ARISHEM:
Tell them. Youths of today see it as dating. So if they have dated 10 people they have had sex with 10 people

Exactly.

And this is not counting the ones they use to hold body

ReacherSaidNoth:
Why are you Christians so obsessed with sex?

It is the greatest sin for it killed a whole world.

It and Lies carry the first position.

Ok Lies is first, sex is second

Educationalserv:
shout up sin and non sin where created by Men ! What is sin to you is not a sin to another
Simple solution if sex outside marriage is sin then the creator of sex desire should not allow it work and you only desire you wife

Law which holds people under it is not determined by their preferences.

So as they have made your Camry to run 240kph on the express, Mr Toyoda should have made it possible that you do not speed in your close?

Rich4god:
One of the worst thing someone can do to himself is to indulge in sex before marriage or commit adultry.

There is more to that than meets the eyes.

Stay away from sex outside of marriage.

Sathan will not let people hear

SpencerForbes:
I don’t get it🤔🤔🤔 can you explain before I engage??

Sex started in the garden of Eden while Christianity started at Antioch by Christians so sex is older than Christianity and in the Old Testament, except from rape cases, homosexuality(indirectly) and adultery, there was nothing about sex styles or am I wrong??

Do your research, there’s nothing like anal sex in the Bible. Don’t deceive yourself😎
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Christianity started with Christ and it is Christ Who created us, so Christianity started before sex.

And do note, since marriage is done at the permission and Blessing and Celebration of the parents, Adam male and female broke The Law by having sex before their marriage.(fornication)