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GaelllicII:
We also find God commanding the use of an image to cure people - and image of a serpent.

"And the Lord said unto Moses, make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looks upon it, shall live."
Numbers 21: 8

I hope that's enough to refute your Protestant misunderstanding of the Divine approval of statues/images in God's Church.

(Contd.)

Did God command Himself not use images?

GaelllicII:
This refers to idols and images of false gods. We can clearly see that God doesn't forbid the use of statues in His true faith and religion. In fact, He commands statues to be made for His temple and they are approved in numerous places in the Bible.

"And you shall make two cherubim of gold, of beaten work shall you make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat. And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end; even of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim of the two ends thereof."
Exodus 25: 18-19

(Contd.)

Did God Command Himself not use images?

GaelllicII:
Let me make this very clear. Many people around the world do things they believe or consider Catholic. I have already explained that Catholic teaching is found in its Magisterium and not in the practices of random people, however many they may be.

Get that into your head, okay?

See below:

The people doing them are doing all these are right inside your Catholic church. Now, because of this, you are denying and wiping out all your Catholic churches. Clearly, shows that you know what judgment awaits you.

GaelllicII:
"The practice of the Church has always been the same, and that with the consenting judgement of the holy fathers who certainly were accustomed to hold as having no part of Catholic communion and as banished from the Church whoever had departed in even the least way from the doctrine proposed by the authentic Magisterium."

Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum (#9), June 29, 1896.

Alright?
That should be lesson No. 1.
The Catholic Church is not random people doing random things. We are not Protestants.

OFF POINT! Didn't ask you about the practice of the Catholic church.

GaelllicII:
However, you have a very wrong view about the use of statues in the Christian Church (i.e. the Catholic Church).

What God forbids and condemns is the adoration of statues/images themselves. And the making of statues/images of idols and false gods.

"You shall not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any things, that are in the heaven above, or are in the earth that is beneath, or that abide in the waters under the earth.


You shall not adore them, and you shall not serve them."
Deuteronomy 5: 8-9

(Contd.)

So, you admit that you are guilty of the first part of the commandment that you have made images. and thank God that your quote shows that the commandment did not say "false gods" but you added it in your statement. So, you see yourself. You are just like your lying priests.

2) your "Hail, holy Queen,
Mother of Mercy, Our life,
our sweetness and our hope..." and other prayers of adoration you do to the images of Mary already proves that you are in violation of the second leg of the Commandment.

So, you are lying and as i said i know that like jws, Muslims and atheists you people can never change, so, i leave you, till Judgement day

GaelllicII:
Finally, when Catholics honor an image, trust is not placed in the image itself, but in the one represented by the image.

Once again, I'll share with you
authoritative Catholic teaching on the subject:

(Contd.)

By, this, you admit that you guys are guilty plus the commandment did not say "do not trust in an image" so, that statement is null.

Secondly, you are lying when you say you do not trust in images for in your prayers for in your prayers to the images of Mary you say she's "your hope" and you trust that the image would give you life, sweetness and end your mournings.

Hail, holy Queen,
Mother of Mercy, Our life,
our sweetness and our hope[

To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve,
To thee do we send up our sighs,
Mourning and weeping in this valley of tears..

So, again you are guilty of images and of lying in your bid to defend your guilt.

And this is where I draw the curtain for i know that like jws, Muslims and atheists you people can never change, so, i leave you to see how you people shall fare on judgement day.

Kemical23:
and you are a witness.

When you said what you said, were you a witness?

It is clear God has cussd you to be ma...

JovialJune:
Jesus that existed 600 years before Muhammed is who you call brothers?

Are you high on something?

The guy is loo as you can see from his response to you.

HacheNoire:
So we can say it’s not a Christian book right?

Have you seen any Christian quote this book as authority?

Nope

In fact today is the first time i am seeing/hearing of this

StoryHaven:
...Wether there is hell or there is nothing like hell, should not be your problem. Do your own part. Believe in Him, live for Him and follow His commandments...

Though I get the point you are trying to make, however, it is necessary to point out on this part that no one can believe God without understanding that if you offend Him, then you are entitled to punished in whatever manner He deems appropriate

GaelllicII:
This is more Protestant fantasy.

Judaism with its sacrifices, ceremonies, and rites is, in the eyes of God, dead and buried.

It has been replaced by the Church of Jesus Christ.

There are several biblical passages that attest to this which any so-called 'bible believer' ought to be familiar with.

See, you are still swimming in the old lies created by devils to deceive people who have not the Spirit of discerning.

Christianity is not Judaism. Judaism is Judah-ism which is a pagan religion which God the condemned.

https://www.nairaland.com/7790701/judaism-not-what-moses-gave#124873648

GaelllicII:
This is more Protestant fantasy.

Judaism with its sacrifices, ceremonies, and rites is, in the eyes of God, dead and buried.

It has been replaced by the Church of Jesus Christ.

There are several biblical passages that attest to this which any so-called 'bible believer' ought to be familiar with.

See, you are still swimming in the old lies created by devils to deceive people who have not the Spirit of discerning.

Christianity is not Judaism. Judaism is Judah-ism which is a pagan religion which God the condemned.

https://www.nairaland.com/7790701/judaism-not-what-moses-gave#124873648

And if you claim that judahism was what was in operation, then when did it stop operating that it was needful for Christ to bring it back?

Such a thing never happened.

But if you were truly a Bible reader and a bible believer, you would have seen that since Exodus till today, Isreal departed from following the religion God gave them and there are several passages explicitly stating that

GaelllicII:
The ceremonies of the Old Law signified that people were looking forward to the Messiah.

To practice them now, after the Messiah has come and the Gospel has been promulgated is to pretend that Jesus is not the Messiah and has not already fulfilled what those sacraments signified.

Thus the observance of the Old Law now would be, in practice, to deny that Jesus Christ is the Messiah.

Therefore any temple dedicated to Judaic sacrifices built in the Christian era would not be a temple of God at all.

Let all Protestants and non-Catholics take note, please.

You are saying this because you Catholics never read the Bible, you only rely on the perverted lies sold to you by your priest in their alter and your bulletins.

You people are exactly like jws who read only what is in their bulletin called the Watchtower and you people behave exactly like they do.

For if you read the Bible for yourself and put aside all the lies that fill your ears and soul, you would see that that Jesus is The Law and the connections are 3much!

"If you love me keep my commandments" John 14:15

And remember was Written that the temple is not one made of brick and stone. Acts 7:48, 1 Corinthians 3:16

So stop relying on HEARSAY! Go and read the Bible directly if you want to live.

jaephoenix:
In the end,you didn't prove my thoughts wrong. You decided to attack my person. Knowing you,I dont need to go further. Its no use

Yes, i committed the fallacy of ad hominem but the thread proves that I also attacked the argument by pointing out that "in your supposed medical field you are supposed to know that using anything wrongly, whether good or bad eg medicine, acid, electricity is the dangerous thing".

Which from your present response you cannot counter hence why you can't go further

GaelllicII:
First, you need to understand that Catholic teaching is contained in official
and definitive documents.

The behavior of random individuals who choose to falsely associate themselves with Catholicism simply won't cut it.

In fact, it's actually dishonest to firmly attribute (as you've done here) such to the Catholic Church.

GaelllicII:
...Have you anything of this nature to support your falsehood? No, you don't.

Took you over long to respond to. You thought i would play the usual Mary weak point card and now and now that you have seen what I pointed out you are now even resorted to denying those people forgetting that we see every Catholic church all over the world up to your Rome is filled with with your people praying to images, bowing to them, lying down to them, crying to them.

You are the one being dishonest even to point of denying the entirety of the Catholic church. Haba

RealityKings1:
Big fat lie. Just because you have been lied to since birth doesn't mean that lie is the truth.
God has no particular base
God belongs to no specific group of people.
Wake up

Screaming your delu won't change the fact that God chose Isreal as His Base and Headquarters as the coming to pass of the prophecies on Isreal has proven. So, keep sleep walking

gbolaben:
Your argument has devolved into making up false claims, asserting that children aren't innocent, and insisting they deserve suffering based on their parents' actions. That tells me everything I need to know about your values and standards of justice.

How many suffering children in the world today do you personally know, and what specific actions of their parents make you think they deserve that pain? How do you account for millions of children who suffer from genetic diseases or natural disasters before they are even old enough to understand right from wrong? And if punishing innocent children for their parents' choices is your definition of justice, how does that make you any different from the very evil you claim to oppose?

Resorting to insults and moral superiority when your logic fails shows an inability to use critical thinking or analyze ideas objectively. It reveals a clear lack of basic empathy, logic, and self-awareness.

The core issue remains: using human suffering, including the loss of innocent lives as collateral in a cosmic court case is fundamentally unjust.
We have completely different values, so there is no point in continuing this loop. Best of luck to you.

Are you ok? Does the thread not show that you are the one who asserted and claimed that children are innocent?

And now that I have practically put it to you and you cannot answer that if your parents and family was part of those kidnapped yesterday in Owerri you, you won't see the children of the kidnappers as innocent and you would be happy that they suffer, is why you are throwing all these tantrums.

Just rest, you don't have any valid argument to make, you just trying resorting to emotional blackmail and thereby committing the fallacy of appeal to pity (argumentum ad misericordiam)

gbolaben:
You’re missing the forest for the trees, and resorting to insults only shows that your logic has broken down. In fact, your tone is a perfect example of how being religious doesn't automatically make someone a better person.

Instead of presenting a reasoned argument, you attack and insult, that's the kind of mindset where someone is ready to hate or destroy others simply because they don't view God the same way.

The story of Job is the exact illustration of my point: a man was stripped of his wealth, his children were killed, and his health was destroyed, not because of anything he did wrong, but because of a bet between God and Satan.

Saying Job got restituted at the end doesn't erase the loss of his children or justify using human beings as collateral in a divine trial.

Also claiming that every suffering human on Earth is "like Satan" and deserves misery is a deeply cynical worldview. Millions of innocent children, victims of natural disasters, and decent everyday people suffer through no fault of their own.

If your conclusion is that humanity is inherently evil and deserves to suffer to prove a point in a cosmic dispute, we simply have completely different standards of justice, empathy, and logic. I choose to focus on real-world compassion and active effort rather than justifying human pain through a divine court case.

"Woe unto he who calls a wicked person, good". So also would i not call an unwise person, smart.

I have already presented my argument and this thread is because you people are suffering because you already destroying yourselves.

And before God boasted with Job, it was already very well with him and he did not suffer any of things you are crying about, so, you have no point here.

And finally, you are not the one to say which child is innocent for if your parents and family are among those just kidnapped today, you won't consider that the children of kidnappers are innocent https://www.nairaland.com/8758581/nysc-members-kidnapped-owerri-onitsha-road.

So, as i said, you are talking rubbish

doffman:
If you believe you carry your own sin , why did you also believe that your Jesus blood 🩸 already carry away your sin . This is general belief of you Christian nah .

Na you doesn’t understand yourself guy 🤣

When I carried sin i wanted to drop it. So, i thank God, that God made a Way for me to drop it and now I live light and free. So of course how you go understand am wen you even dey increase your load wey you dey carry?

doffman:
Give us proof from your bible that says your Jesus blood has forgiven the sins of those that came before him .

Shioor .

If you were normal you would have known that you cannot be asking how Uthman dan fodio (past) can want to take subsidy from Buhari or Tinubu. 🤣🤣🤣

And secondly, Off Point!

chieveboy:
The issue is coming from half knowledge copied into the Bible. Recall that story was not a Christian story, it was from another religion which the folks who formed Christianity decided to copy.

Mankind called the space beings who came to earth "God".

The story of Lucifer and God is an account of disagreement between one of them (Lucifer) and the King who the Israelis referred to as God.

Before that disagreement, conditions for suffering is already in place. A dead give-away is that the world was already one of duality where if a liquid existed ("water covering earth" ), then there must be a solid.

So if you keep building this dual relationships like liquid/solid, pain/joy, sickness/health, mountain/valley, enemy/friend, etc. You find that they self-explain that suffering/joy, fight/reconciliation already existed and the quarrel between 'God/Satan' did not commence it.


All existed before their fight, and they are not the only advanced beings in the universe. There are others more majestic and God-like than those who made men in their image and likeness.

Again,that they fought and got tempted in the first place-means temptation, jealousy, etc already exists, this is why they could experience it and have a fight or issues with one another. More so, what is the guarantee that was not the first time?

See another stup... contraption of delu. And of course you must say this sh.... because you are used to the normal good and evil and opposite life that people have out of the mercy of God and have never seen nor lived a life where only goodness follows a person just as Job and his friends saw.

God is only Light and there was no darkness before until God cursed satan to be the prince of darkness where you come from.

gbolaben:
How does a newborn baby born with a terminal illness cause anyone else to suffer? How does an honest person wiped out by a tsunami lack empathy?
Saying "your suffering is justified" completely ignores the millions of innocent people who face hardship every single day through no fault of their own.

If you had actually read the article carefully, you would realize my point was addressing mainstream Christian theology and institutional teachings. According to those doctrines, Satan challenged God's right to rule, a concept clearly illustrated in the Bible's account of Job. In that story, Satan claimed Job only served God because of his blessings, so God allowed Satan to strip away Job's wealth, kill his children, and afflict his body with painful sores just to prove Satan wrong.

That is the exact point of the article: the teaching that God permits widespread human agony across generations simply to settle a cosmic challenge or win an argument against the devil.

And If you truly believe that millions of innocent people deserve to suffer to prove a point in a cosmic dispute, then we have very different definitions of justice and empathy. My focus is on real-world compassion, taking responsibility, and treating people right, not justifying human pain through a divine court case.

How do you expect a wore not to transfer and birth a diseased baby?

Where have you seen an honest person in this world?

And if you are using fables of stup... people and Job's case to understand life, you are already proving that you are as silly as the people you believed for, Job's case even proves justification for everyone can see God was so happy with Job that He used him to taunt and ridicule Satan and then He put all His Bets on Job when satan chose to challenge God.

And in the end we all see how Job was greatly rewarded and over restituted for the pains he suffered from going through and winning God's challenge

So, are humans all over the world like job?
No! Rather they are like Sata.. so why would evils and sufferings and failures not follow them?

Or you want to tell me that it is just to reward this beach with goodness?
https://www.nairaland.com/8758071/christa-pike-survives-two-lethal

Please, you are talking rubbish

Evaress:
They always say, "A man doesn't need to be handsome. Women only look at his pocket. It's money that matters."

That's the reason you see many rich men with big pot bellies. They believe they don't need to work out or look good because their money can get them any beautiful woman.

But the truth is, women like handsome men too. If a woman is only after a rich man, she is only after his money.

Rubbish! You just want to bash and make men lose confidence in themselves so that you can control and manipulate them with your fake and evil love.

Whereas, it is you women who are the problem of this world as you people are very completely unstable because YOU WOMEN LIKE EVERYTHING.

If you are with an ugly man that is when you would like a handsome man. But as soon as you are with a handsome man, that is when all the men you formerly call ugly, will be handsome.

YOU WOMEN LIKE EVERYTHING like untrained children and of course it is a deliberate training given by women to all their female children to guarantee that all of girls and women are the same

doffman:
But same God say we will carry our sins nah ..

Are we not already carrying our sins. So, stop trying to change the issue.

doffman:
Or rethink this way :

Who cover the sins of those people that came before Jesus .

Now you are departing from the issue and just to let you know that we have the answer is why i now add that even before Christ people knew what to do to have their sins forgiven, so this is not new. But as I said, this is a departure from the argument. So, you don't have any reasonable thing to say on the issue.

gbolaben:
Is It Justifiable That We Have to Suffer Because of an Issue Between God and Satan?

By Benjamin G

When you strip away religious jargon and look at this question with basic common sense, the answer is simple: No, it isn’t justifiable at all.
When you break it down using everyday logic, justice, history, and simple human empathy, the entire idea that we are suffering because of a cosmic debate completely falls apart.

See what you are using to deceive yourself. Who told you that it is an argument that is causing your suffering?

How do you expect not to suffer when you cause other people to suffer?

Do you have empathy for your fellowman? No.

Therefore, your suffering is justified.

Where is badavice?

I'm sure he would have said that the man should have pummeled the wife and reduce her to slave while he marries the maid.

turawaa:
Peer pressure....

You are correct save that it is even bigger than peer pressure. It is a law for women. No matter the financial level of a man, that man must give them a life that is like Regina Daniel.

Samantha125:
Just say you're broke... We understand that the economy in Nigeria is hard.

I pity whoever marries you oo

Nothing wrong with her reasoning it is just you who did not really know women and you have married one of the women men today now know not to marry.

You a married to a bad wife who would not rest until you are finished. She must live like Regina Daniels oo I'm sure that is what you promised her, so don't complain go and pay your wife did not marry you to come and live like a pauper.

Better juju at work.

Funny, you end up in your business 😆