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MaxInDHouse:
Is incest approved by the mosaic law?
Who did Cain marry?

My own response:
God permitted incest because Adam's children must reproduce before having to fill the earth but after the earth has been filled with families God told his worshipers not to practice it anymore. But in God's law it's abominable for children born by the same mother to have sex.

Did God's word approve prostitution and adultery?
Was Judah's child with Tamar approved under the mosaic law?

My response:
God permitted it because Judah wanted to send the girl away since his two sons died while trying to raise children through Tamar. But in God's law it is forbidden for a man to have sex with his own daughter in-law.

So there are certain things God permitted until the law came therefore anyone who committed such ignorantly is not judged until the law forbids it.
Polygamy was permitted until the Christ told us that it wasn't what God purposed in the beginning!

Don't mix incest with polygamy.

In the beginning we can see everyone had one wife until the the grandson of the child of unrighteousness set the world record.

And from the lineage of righteousness, you can see all of them had one wife.

And this is why Christ was completely right and accurate when He expressly pointed out that polygamy was never something God would approve.

And this is where you are making the error of judicial precedent of because God judged right fully in a specific case then you now think that that that judgement is applicable across board.

No.
All these cases are exceptional and they met the standard where the just is, landed on this side so that evil is condemned and righteousness upheld.

Even in the judiciary there are many judgements which courts have in righteousnes but courts are warned not to take them as precedent. Therefore, every case must be decided on their own merits.

And that is why there is a thing called "Exceptions".

Exceptio est strictissimae applicationis - :“An exception is of the strictest application.”

An exception does not undermine the general rule....

honesttalk21:
Do these observations lead to changes in text presentation in books? Is this the same principle used in your scripture? We should expect a revised edition before this year runs out and how many more in years to come?

Science and textbooks evolve to refine human understanding but the Qur’an remains constant, not because it ignores creation, but because it points beyond changing descriptions to the eternal Source.

As you can see biology texts always point out that biology and science start with observation and all the other themes I pointed out.

So every and any revision is built on these themes.

And as you can see even in these Christianity section, the themes of the bible have never changed and every person who proffers what amounts to be a change is vehemently opposed and challenged

Benbellamor:
really? Ok let me dig it up
Here is what doesn't add up...you said " If you say"" below



Am l the one who wrote Exodus 21:10?

10) If he takes another wife, he must not reduce the food, clothing, or marital rights of his first wife.


So what's the connection with what you wrote below..


Pure distraction....

I have already pointed out the connection in asking you whether you would say tha stealing an ox or sheep in Exodus is permitted since both of them started with "if'?

Exodus 22:1
"If a man steal an ox, or sheep and..."

And you cannot answer

Benbellamor:
l have warned you not to use words like polygamy.....it's not found in the bible
So I have help you to confiscate your illegal use of phrase...it's confusing your narrative

As long as a married person is marrying again whilst still married, it is polygamy. So no need to deceive yourself

Benbellamor:
.. laughable your reply is not adding up... anyway l have help you to reduce it because it's laughable..
give a biblical verse that states that Moses divorce Zipporah

Yet you did not point where and how it does not add up. Clearly you cannot counter my reply.

Benbellamor:
I have warned you not to bring Inuendos here, your comment must be backed up by a bible verse which you have failed to do, we are not playing here....So I have help you to reduce and compress your out-of-context comment, it a distraction ...so when you are ready with bible bases argument I will respond and highlight it.

I don't have time to quote bible verses when you and everyone already know the verses that I am referring to for they are even more popular than the bible itself.

Everyone knows Malachi especially this part.

"Ye have wearied the Lord with your words.

Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him?

When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the Lord, and he delighteth in them;"

And Malachi 3 is waiting for people like you

Malachi 3

5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts.

And I always all you agents of polygamy, please explain how can a married man do polygamy without being guilty of adultery?

Benbellamor:
This verse below answers your question.
Exodus 10:21 "If he takes another wife, he must not reduce the food, clothing, or marital rights of his first wife

Note: i will help compress your comments when you keep repeating questions that i have anwered ok? no time for playing here its a serious business

If you appreciate this then you ought to have asked yourself why men have failed to do this? And why they find it very difficult to do.

Meanwhile, when they were not cheating it was very very easy to do.

And this should have told you where The Law is for it is exactly as the peace and easy living a person has when he only takes his lawful salary as different from the hellish living a person has when they start stealing the company's money.

Benbellamor:
Why are you running away from this verse up there?
Explain the above bible verse.....

See this man. I'm too busy to come to Nairaland.

Have you not finished reading what happens when a married man starts seeing another woman?

https://www.nairaland.com/646015/husband-abandoned-another-woman-shes#8120450

https://www.nairaland.com/6210542/husband-suddenly-abandoned-me-children#95411710

So, do you imagine that God would allow this wife and children to suffer this evil and wickedness because she lawfully married her husband?

Or do you imagine that God would allow her to suffer because her husband seeks adultery?

You obviously do not know that God is good and that He will always support and provide for the innocent.

And that is why Malachi warns husbands that God will be their enemy when they do evil to their first wives.

Now it's Chinese colonialism

honesttalk21:
Are you simultaneously speaking opposites?

The science textbooks have changed due to growing understanding of things. Will you say same about your religious text? Or is it now the believers understanding of the text or something far worse?

How many times has the model of the atom been revised? Is this the same for the scripture?

The themes of science have never changed in that first it is always man who is doing the observing. And 2, man is always studying things he sees in this world no matter what name he chooses to call those things whether atom, protons, neutrons, etc.

It is still the same rules of alimentary canal in biology and the properties of solid, liquid and gases in chemistry, and the speed of a body at rest cannot still be measured in physics.

Same thing for the Bible's themes the bad people have everything to fear whilst the God fearing are confident.

Benbellamor:
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Jesus gave condition for taking a second wife, that you must not divorce the first wife except she committed adultery

Now you are Lying against God!

For Where did Jesus say that you can marry a second wife, if you do not divorce the first wife?

And if you say
Exodus 21:10

10) If he takes another wife, he must not reduce the food, clothing, or marital rights of his first wife.

Means that you can take another wife, then it means you are that God Said it is on to steal an ox or sheep

Exodus 22:1

"If a man steal an ox, or sheep and..."

As I said, don't bring your paganism to Christianity because it is impossible for a man to take a second wife and not be guilty of adultery.

Benbellamor:
Malachi is still under the old law? Old testament
So in light of That, Jacob dealt treacherously with Leah by further Marrying Rachel abi
Yet Jacob became Israel
You can see how your argument is so confusing....

How did Jacob deal treacherously with Leah when he never had any intention of marrying Leah but was deceived by Laban?

This is rubbish

MaxInDHouse:
So polygamy was permitted before Christ but by the time Jesus walked the earth repentant Jews no longer practice polygamy that's why you can't hear of any disciple of Christ or first century Jews having more than one wife because they believed Malachi's message as a preparation for the way of holiness! Malachi 4:5

God bless you and may you have peace!

Wrong
Polygamy was not permitted but was the way of man's living since men had grown to love evil and do polygamy as Cain's grandson had shown them.

So, it is a case of that the whole world was engaged and practicing polygamy exactly how they practice paganism which no one says was permitted

Benbellamor:
you're a liar ... to suggest that a woman who bore a son for Moses divorce moses...where was it written? You are too lazy to provide a biblical verse that says that zipporah walked away from her marriage ......Zipporah never walk out of her marriage.... Zipporah and his son joined Moses even after Moses married the Cushite woman.

Read the verse here

KJV

Exodus 18
2 then Jethro, Moses' father in law, took Zipporah, Moses' wife, after he had sent her back, 3and her two sons; of which the name of the one was Gershom; for he said, I have been an alien in a strange land: 4and the name of the other was Eliezer; for the God of my father, said he, was mine help, and delivered me from the sword of Pharaoh: 5and Jethro, Moses' father in law, came with his sons and his wife unto Moses into the wilderness, where he encamped at the mount of God: 6and he said unto Moses, I thy father in law Jethro am come unto thee, and thy wife, and her two sons with her.
7And Moses went out to meet his father in law, and did obeisance, and kissed him;

I stand to be corrected but this event in Exodus 18 takes place immediately after Moses and Zipporah had first left Midian to go to Egypt when it was well and good with them.

But obviously, after the foreskin episode on their way to Egypt in which she declared her hatred for him, in calling him a murderer aka "a bloody husband art thou to me" (which feels like when a wife says to "you are a useless husband" ).

And she said it 2 Times even!

Clearly, she did not want the marriage and in the presence of God, she obviously took the children and left and returned to her land and her father. And of course every husband hearing this great insult will always will let the wife go away which always means that he has sent her away.

And this is confirmed by the fact that God still prospered Moses, even after she left.

And secondly, you do not see Jethro accuse Moses of sending her away. Rather, we see Jethro trying to reconcile them in but clearly it did not work.

And in all of those times in between her leaving and the Ethiopian woman, Moses had no wife and was a lone.

And neither did you see Miriam accusing him of marrying a second wife but of marrying a foreigner

honesttalk21:
What did I reverse? Who made the analogy likening scripture to textbooks on certain topics?

What post did I change? This is my first post that you responded to:

and you responded to it with

Could it be that you are in a few other conversations?

How come you did not see the post where I pointed out that you changed post?

See it below

honesttalk21:
Interesting analogy.

Do you then imply that as the content of your textbooks have evolved over time so too will your Bible? Guess we should expect a new bible soon to fit the new era humans are getting to.

It seem you don't know that scripture is not like subject textbooks. Textbooks may describe observable facts but scripture conveys spiritual and moral truths, where even small textual variations can alter interpretation and guidance.

Is your view on your scripture variability or minor errors a possible explanation for clergy officiating same gender marriages? Does that not negate God being the same yesterday, today and forever?

And then I pointed out that

"Hope you know that by your response you have changed post to evolution, which means that the issue is settled?

So on this new topic of evolution, I must remind you that I already pointed out that themes of biology and chemistry and all the subjects we know have not changed.

So also have these proven that the bible has not changed as man has not changed and neither has God."

FOLYKAZE:
Who told you God must know something before it can be worshipped?

I have told you what makes God a God. It is reverence, nothing more. And I put much value to myself. This is called self-esteem, self importance and gratification...

So as people worship Messi, Isaac Newton, Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, it is because they know nothing? Right? And they are just reverencing them for nothing, abi?

Stop talking rubbish.

Moses was in the presence of God, so common sense would have told you that if Moses's wife was tired of walking with him, he would have reported the matter to God and that God discussed the problem with him.

So, in the end that we see zipporah walk away from her marriage that should tell you that Moses got his divorce sanctioned directly by God Himself. And his remarriage also.

Compare with Abraham who took wives even after Sarah's death and we see that God never spoke to him again upto the point that Abraham noticed and then drove everyone of them away.

So don't bring your paganism and heatheness into Christianity

https://www.nairaland.com/8032594/deuteronomy-17-17-shows-god

https://www.nairaland.com/8040571/westerhof-finally-confesses-adultery-polygamy

FOLYKAZE:
How the universe came and life came into existence. What if I tell you I don't know?

Why are we here on earth? Who are the we? I am only conscious of my existence. Why am I here, I don't know.

Why we die, we are biology entities. At the point of death, why biological system gets broken and biological life as we know it ends.

So clearly you are not the god over any of these things.

Which means that the God Who is God is still out there.

Truthseeker10:
You are a God and you don't know but you deserve to be revered and worshipped??

Imagine that he is a god of the Camry yet he does not know how the Camry was made.

Clearly, he does not know what it means to be a god or what God/God means

honesttalk21:
In truth you know it's you that did by reducing the scripture to guide mankind from God to textbooks fraught with errors and mistakes? Or have you forgotten so quickly what you wrote?

See reversal and refusal to take responsibility for your conduct.

Is the topic not about errors and mistakes? Yes. So I am on point.

But the record here shows you changed post and that when I pointed out that you changed post you then committed the fallacy of reversing the burden.

honesttalk21:
Do you say these errors are not able to lead to terribly wrong conclusions?

Yes. I say it does not to people who are intelligent enough to have passed primary school into Jss1

FOLYKAZE:
The Bible convey a supposed universal truth, a form of distilled water that contain no dirt, which is understood by many Christians as objective, absolute, and unchanging truths. When interpolation, fabrication and distortion make their way into the bible, then it isn't a direction of God but men.

If you had been thinking well you would have seen that your statement is unintelligent as it is a universal truth that no man can with his natural body walk into the ocean to travel to another continent or plant laziness and reap billions. Yet we have people interpolating that with ₦50 you can win millions, so therefore universal truth is corrupted. Does this sound intelligent for you to say?

honesttalk21:
Interesting analogy.

Do you then imply that as the content of your textbooks have evolved over time so too will your Bible? Guess we should expect a new bible soon to fit the new era humans are getting to.

It seem you don't know that scripture is not like subject textbooks. Textbooks may describe observable facts but scripture conveys spiritual and moral truths, where even small textual variations can alter interpretation and guidance.

Hope you know that by your response you have changed post to evolution, which means that the issue is settled?

So on this new topic of evolution, I must remind you that I already pointed out that themes of biology and chemistry and all the subjects we know have not changed.

So also have these proven that the bible has not changed as man has not changed and neither has God.

honesttalk21:
Is your view on your scripture variability or minor errors a possible explanation for clergy officiating same gender marriages? Does that not negate God being the same yesterday, today and forever?

It is known that we have good parents who can properly explain a matter and put it in the perfect light
and we have bad parents who make things worse by spreading confusion and bad doctrines; same for good teachers and bad teachers.

This same thing too plagues the clergy as we have many who are more of agents and clergies of Satan rather of God.

honesttalk21:
Interesting that you say "we find scribal errors and others in it but it doesn't take away from the overall theme".
Seriously this doesn't question the authenticity of what is contained?

You agree that the he Bible is not an error-free dictated book, but a divinely guided library of texts with errors whether minor or major?

How do you claim its sanctity and infallibility in terms of its enduring message of faith and salvation despite the absence of absolute perfection of every word?

I expect nothing less than your characteristic accusatory mockery despite the seriousness of this matter.

We have all had textbooks that are fraught with errors, to this I remember some biology, chemistry and physics textbooks having errors. I even remember the little jamb book called keypoints to biology or literature in English having errors.

Yet, did those errors take away the theme that if you put poison in your digestive system, you would have health issues in biology?

Or that sulphuric acid should not be placed on the skin else it would burn you in chemistry?

No.

This theme and the message is still clear and impeachable and they are still the foundation of all science today and tomorrow till the world ends

So, it is with the Bible. It's message and theme is still the same which is it is not wise to be an enemy of God.