₦airaland Forum

illicit:
No

The Bible people were Israelites

Israelis from everywhere Europe, Ameticas, Asia and Africa now live in Palestine

So as Nigerians have japad to UK, Canada and co they are no longer Nigerians?

Celestialsword:
God never changes,he's the same today, tomorrow and forever.

Isreal is still the same, just that much development has taken place

Exactly! Everyone knows this. I just wonder what why people cannot detect silly statements. Like someone coming to say that Kemi Benedoch is a different Nigerian

BodyCount:
It's clear and fact.
They are just migrants from Poland, Ukraine and the Nederlands mostly.
The rogue state of Israel can never last.
The way their NYLON DOME keeps getting penetrated is very beautiful.
We wait to see pictures of schools and hospitals like that of Gaza by God's grace.
No sleep for terrorists.

Did you not read that God drove them to those foreign places?

budaatum:
No one has ever seen Yahweh, so I guess you are proving it never existed.

No need repeating yourself. People already know those who exist/existed from wishful dreams

budaatum:
No one has seen Yahweh so Yahweh does not exist, or do you not see your diabolical unreasoning?

Change of Post!
No one has seen Hammurabi, Socrates or Ovoranmwen yet you all believe he exist. As I said change of Post.

budaatum:
Most people know that at least the first few chapters of Genesis are fantasy.

Only ivul.e diluded people like you think so.

budaatum:
It is societies of people that create Gods for their society in order to organise it and live peacefully. And the Gods they create live as long as they are worshipped, which in some cases is thousands of years.

Anu was worshipped from 3500 BC to 500 BC, and Nun from 3150 BC to 30 BC. Do the maths and you'd find its much longer than your 150 years.

See how you talking rubbish. No one has seen at any time where a society let me pick a small place like Degema where the society came together to create anything. Not even the sculpture at the centre of the town. So you see, you talk rubbish

budaatum:
Fantasy novels like the Bible?

The bible is clearly exempted and for this reason is why the only time people hear about these dead things is in fantasy novels and no one even took them seriously.

budaatum:
Humans, as in Homo Sapien, are like 300,000 years old, but unfortunately did not leave us much record about their gods, which were mostly thunder, lightning, the local river, the oldest tree, a rock, etc.

Anu was created circa 3500BC, 5500 years ago.
Nun was created circa 3150BC, 5150 years ago.
Both are now dead.

Shiva was created circa 3300 BC, 5300 years ago, and still lives since it is still worshipped by some.

Chineke and Oluwa are as old as the tribes that created them, and are relatively new in the history of gods.

Surely, they all did not create these gods only 1 or 2 did. And surely, those creators did not live more than 150years. So it is only natural for their creations to die along with them

jmoore:
Read my comment again. TV not telephone.

Our TV was picking up telephone conversations on uhf.

Oh! On Tv? Which Tv is dat? I suspect JVC.

On this catching things this is where I remember that sometimes our tv catches CNN, MTV, Sky 1, Sky News when one neighbour bought that big wide satellite dish. Did you experience that ?

Those giant books was sweet. We used it to find everybodys house and their families

jmoore:
I can vividly remember how I used to eavesdrop to telephone conversations back then with our TV.

Those NITEL lines weren't secured at all.

It was not all the time na. It just happened sometimes that you pick up the phone and then you would hear people talking

CoolUsername:
..Did I or did not say that there is no before? My whole point is that it is not logical for anything to preceed the universe unless evidence proves otherwise.

Logic proves that before an environment is created, A Person called Creator must preceed it.

budaatum:
..Thing is, not even Gods are eternal. Yahweh is only about 3000 years old, which is a blink of an eye in universe time. Evidence shows Gods are created and eventually abandoned and left to die in the Graveyard Of Dead Gods.

Clearly you are talking about the gods you created. And if the gods you created are 3000 old, how old are you people who created such gods? Also, how old is Chineke and Oluwa? You did not mention those ones but calling the names given only in fantasy novels.

Sorry, for the delayed response. I was in transit.

CoolUsername:
Flying submarines do not exist. i'm not debating that.

Ehen! That's settled then.

CoolUsername:
Good thing I never said that because that doesn't make any sense. Steve Jobs, the car, and all of us exist in the same world and are subject to the laws of Physics.

You said they were They exist in the same realm and are bound by the same laws.

So you see, why you are wrong for it is no issue if God, Creator chooses to be near its creation or even live in the same vicinity and realm

CoolUsername:
What? The fact that someone claims to see something doesn't mean it is there. Is that really your best proof? People claim to have seen Bigfoot, does that make it real?

C'mon! Do we believe people's claims for nothing? Is it not because we get to see those same things themselves in precisely the way the other person said he saw it? C'mon.

CoolUsername:
Humour me for a moment, can this chair that is supposedly occupied still be sat on?

Sure! Have you seen people lapping in a bus? The chair was occupied before another person sits on the person occupying the chair.

CoolUsername:
Understand what I'm saying. All the matter and energy required to create them already exist.

The topic is not whether the matter exists, so stop deviating.

The issue is about things which do not exist and you confirm that right now flying submarines do not.

CoolUsername:
They exist in the same realm and are bound by the same laws.

So Steve Jobs uses electricity and batteries to live? And the Camry reproduces little camrys when it collides with another Camry?

CoolUsername:
Matter is defined anything that has mass and occupies space. What is the mass of a spirit particle (if you may call it that)? What is the volume? The burden of proof is on you to make the case for the existence of the Spirit.

Spirit already occupies space as proven by several examples eg when people look at a chair and immediately know that it is occupied by a person even when the person is not there.

And since you people have not been able to hold a spirit, you cannot tell it's mass. However people have acknowledged that some peoples spirits are heavy or light.

LordReed:
Some people mistakenly think the BB came from nothing. I dunno how they arrive at that since all the descriptions of the BBT include mentions of a hot dense state before the expansion.

So according to you, big bang is like a flour to an oven which forms a loaf of bread?

If it is so, I ain't seen what we could call seas and fishes and animals and humans come out from the expansion of flour into a loaf of bread.

Everyday247:
This raises questions:
Firstly, how does one know if something (God or anything else) is eterna?.

Easy. Eternal means something continuing for a very very very long time and still continuing at the time of query.

And since Hammurabi's world till today, people still talk of experiencing the touch and presence of God

CoolUsername:
There you go again. Like I said, it can conceivably exist through the rearrangement of already existing material and leveraging the laws of Physics. That's literally how most human inventions came to be.

Are you not hearing what you are saying? "It can exists" means it does not exist now.

CoolUsername:
So once again, how do you know about something that exists outside that context?

Because we can all see that all creators are always outside the world of their creations. Steve Jobs and Mr Toyoda are not inside their phone and car.

CoolUsername:
Do you believe God is a material being?

Here I see the materials we know fall into solid, liquid, gases, hybrid of solids, liquid and gases. And then there is spirit, a matter which the whole world acknowledges that it is here with us and the material of which no man knows.

And God already acknowledges that He is Spirit, a material we do not know yet we know it's existence, hence the beginning and a step into of a world we do not know.

CoolUsername:
Do you believe God exists in our observable universe?

Sure! It takes A Person Who is an Artist, Landscaper, Engineer, and an Inventor to create this universe we see.

CoolUsername:
Nice dodge but you're not quite there yet. A flying submarine can conceivably begin to exist because it's constituent parts already exist within our universe. The matter needed to create only needs to be rearranged to become something new.

Pointing out the fall in argument is not a dodge.

Secondly, the point is, you agree that does not exist now hence an example of things that do not exist. So there is no valid argument to be made here.

CoolUsername:
By calling your something immaterial, spaceless, and timeless, you don't have that luxury. That's why your analogy makes no sense and that's why what you're describing sounds like an imaginary friend and that's why do burden of proof is on you prove your point.

Where did I allege that God was "immaterial, spaceless" etc? From the thread, it is you who said so.

budaatum:
I have books that us humans wrote "about God and our world and worlds outside our view". ..

No big deal someone writing about what they do not know directly.
The university is full of people writing what they do not ever know.

budaatum:
What you've described above is nowhere like what I'd call "increasing ones view", and in fact might better be seen as poking sticks in ones view so one does not see any view at all. For how is it that increasing ones view extends to someone else's wallet or woman?

No one cares what you call it but what we all know is that increasing view means that where before you could only see the guy standing at the bus stop with his wallet in his pocket, an increased view would be you seeing through that wallet to see the money/monies and the denominations inside that wallet.

CoolUsername:
A flying submarine is infinitely more likely to exist than a spaceless, timeless, intelligent being. We can prove that flying machines exist. We can prove that submarines exist...

It does not exist now. And, you are already talking rubbish because it is settled that God already existed even before we humans did. So, there is no situation of "likely to exist". So this is Out Of Point.

CoolUsername:
..The burden of proof is on you to prove this spaceless and timeless intelligence.

If I talk about Spider-Man, does that make him real?

Nope. That is not the topic.

The topic was things that exist in our world/the things that don't exist in our world.

And I have given examples of the things that don't exist and your argument was that flying submarines may later exist, which clearly means that you and I are in agreement that it does not exist now.

And that was the issue on ground.

lendahand:
your submission is very shallow and hold no water. So you belong to the evil club that cannot help a feminine gender without tearing apart her undies? You lot are perverts.

I know in your seemp world you people are accustomed to wasting your time and monies on a girl just for her to say hello to you. And for her touch and hold your hand ₦200k plus would have left your account. And in all these you people stupeedly rationalize it saying that you are helping the girl.

Only for you to come out shouting and wailing how you have been wasting money on a girl yet you got nothing in return.

If you people enjoyed helping them then why are you complaining about the monies you spent? It's you lot that make women think that men are f00ls.

budaatum:
So, you are talking about things outside your view and beyond your limit and want us to just play along with you?

It was not us who spoke about God and our world and worlds outside our view. No human can do that.

And like football, as many people have shown, if you don't want to play, you are allowed not to play

budaatum:
Have you considered increasing your view and looking outside perhaps, instead of asking me to stoop to your limit?

No matter how you try to increase your view, you can never see how much money that is inside the wallet of a man standing at the bus stop, nor can you see the Agofure bus leaving Ughelli nor can you ever see which woman would be lying on coolusername's bed.

CoolUsername:
So how do you know about things that don't exist in our world? Sounds like you're describing an imaginary friend

This is off point. But just to point out we not already know the things which do not exist in our world eg flying submarines, oceans you can just drive your Camry on to go to the next continent or water you drink that you can stay one month without needing to drink water etc.

If God was truly imaginary to you people, you people won't be here and all over the place wasting time, resources and energy campaigning and disturbing the world about Him.

DeepSight:
No: I was denying what you had asserted. Now prove that you are no cowardly escapist and do the needful.

Yes you tried denying my point but then made the mistake of raising a new issue in your attempt to deny. And therefore, since you raised up this issue, therefore you had the duty of showing us what you knew when you raised this issue. So it's you who should lay it out

Emmanuel602:
Marriage is a different ball game entirely. A whole lot of things will reveal itself that you never knew during courtship

True. But the traits and scents of them are also revealed in the courtship just couples do not know that they are super important.

DeepSight:
You can't just send me on an open ended errand like that. You made the assertion so provide the evidence.

No. It's you who set up the assertion that consensual sex is not prohibited all over the world. And I just rebutted

Thus, you who ought to now show the place you had in mind when you first made that assertion.

DeepSight:
Who told you there were laws against adult consensual sex all over the world?

Go check history and see which place in the world allowed couples to have sex before marriage.

Joshthefirst:
@LordReed, @Deepsight

Subjective morality sounds tolerant and open-minded, but in real life, it’s unlivable and logically incoherent...

Subjective morality is already silly. Like asking a bandits opinion on the morals and kidnapping

LordReed:
Pardon my French but this is nonsensical. You didn't ask me about objective truth so why are you attempting a bait and switch?

He cannot ask you. You already raised it and he only points out that even you yourself are commenting that which you condemn. So you were taken by your own sword

DeepSight:
There were many silly laws based on religious nonsensicalities in times past. I hope you know the Bible also contained injunctions against shaving your beard, for example.

Now you are talking religion forgetting that in those days the religion that you are talking about did not exist yet these Laws were already in place all over the world.

And the Bible's law on shaving is what people call the traditional law and custom of the people called Isreal. But all this is departing from the issue.

DeepSight:
Secular laws do not criminalise adult consensual sex for example.

First, It was penalised before. Pr0stitutes, gays, fornicators all run away from their homes and it was them who started new areas living like smugglers where they could do all of these things. And since they were living like criminals then they started attacking villages and now the world now had armed robbers and bandits and and claiming of other people's lands..