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paxonel:
you certainly have nothing to do with the right answers to the op question.
They cannot edify you.
At it stands right now nothing works in your brain, so nothing can help you

Therefore you confess you cannot answer the question. We understand!

immortalcrown:
If you are not the one dodging and deflecting, answer my question.

The records show that you are the one didging and now you have started resorting to lies in proof that catholic church supports lies!

immortalcrown:
Answer my questions when you are ready and sincere to have this conversation.

If you were truly sincere and just.you would have answered my question first, for i asked you first. That is what the rules of fair and reasonable debate states .

AdeCityzen:
1. God hear our prayer during the mass, and during the communion, this sacrament is sacred one which you know it involve a transubstancetiation process, meaning you can't belittle that grace shared during the celebration
2. No

Ok. Then it stands to reason that if God has forgiven a person during mass, then everyone in that mass is in "state of grace" and is qualified to take the communion without any fettering, isn't that correct?

Janosky:
The speaker wedded to IBERIBEISM & capping GIBBERISH.

Where does your 3rd person ghost sitteth?

See clear Proof you are a stark Mad person? Now that you have seen i answered your stupid attack on Jesus, The Lord our God, you have now moved to The Holy Ghost!. Obviously, you.are cursed with Madness and stupidity

immortalcrown:
Can you just appoint anybody as the senior pastor of a Church? Answer this question.

See dodging and deflection.

He asks about obeying the bible and here you are dodging it and changing it to appointment of pastor which is the issue.

We take it that you are not able to answer any of this pertinent questions.

immortalcrown:
Okay. I'm sorry that I misunderstood your mindset.

I have nothing against this. Every religious denomination has its doctrines. You have the freedom to choose those churches that do not require any fulfilment from those that want to take the Holy communion. But if you choose the Catholic Church, follow its doctrines. Do not try to force the doctrines of other churches on the Catholic or vice versa.

The only doctrine any not catholic asks for your church enforce are biblical instructions but, you people disobey.

paxonel:
ok
my question came from the mindset of unity of the body of Christ.
Laws, commitment and organisation is dependent on the church.
Not all churches have the same laws and organisation. Even commitment is still subjective to the laws of the church. But the most important is that all churches should be subjected to Christ.

Among the pentecostals and most Protestants, communion is open for all believers of Christ, irrespective of the denomination.

If you think there is anything wrong about this, you can explain to me, why it is wrong

Correct!

immortalcrown:
Even in other Chruches, one has to follow certain doctrinal procedures to receive holy communion. And it does not imply that God does not hear your prayer outside confession. Is there any Church that gives holy communion to everyone that enters the Church? Even Jesus Christ had the last supper with 12 Apostles, not with all who have had an encounter with him. Does it mean that Jesus Christ forsook others who did not partake in the last supper? The same Jesus went to the mountain for a particular prayer. Does it mean that God could not hear Jesus outside the mountain? Even when the Holy Spirit descended, it was upon the disciples praying in the upper room. Does it mean that God does not hear prayers made outside the upper room, or does it mean that God does not hear those who are not among the disciples?

The poster's problem is that he or she wants a Christian life without commitment and coordination.?

In all these dodging and fallacious argiments you still did not answer the question

1) "Does it mean God did not hear our prayers for mercy? (at the begining of the mass or.furing the mass or the one just before the communion is given)

2) Does it mean God hears only the confessions we make before the Priest?

We understand why you are not able to.

paxonel:
There is no amount of your delusion about Catholics as a Pentecostalist or Protestant that will make Catholics less Christians.

If you want to know the truth about Catholics visit a cathecist yourself and ask reasonable questions

hahahaha! You think because i am anticatholic therefore, i am protestant? Real spoken like a true catholic! You hid that fact well. I had no hint you were catholic until this thread, Last year i think when you spoke about going to mass, i thought you were just moving there. But, now it is clear you go to mass regularly hence your delusions and semi.atheism!

With all these you should know that i was catholic, (of a sort because God helped me keep my head and in my house we house we have both catholics and what you people call protestant and i got to see. that between the sides, they agree that the bible was greater and better, so i held it above my 'Missal" and "simple prayer book' and "bulletins" and rosary.

And every question i have asked catholics here, i have asked every catholic that feels he knows God and the bible eg legion of mary, charismatic renewal people, even priests and they all run away or pleading the "in the cathiolic church thing" which clearly means that you have no reasonable support or connection with God and the bible but just a "Your house, your rules" thing!

But any way, i can be proven wrong if any catholic could answer.the question the op asked to wit

1) "Does it mean God did not hear our prayers for mercy? (at the begining of the mass or.furing the mass or the one just before the communion is given)

2) Does it mean God hears only the confessions we make before the Priest?"

And we understand if no catholic, not even your pope is able to answer this question!

superCleanworks:
there is a very fat difference between EXCUSE and advice.

True!

But we can all see this statement supports adultery hence he is making an excuse.

EnemyofGod3:
Even without explanation, I know there's no hell neither heaven, both are fallacy to trap the people to work in accordance.n

Yet here you are bothering about it.

No matter.how powerful.your deludions are, you can never stop being afraid everytime you hear thd words hell, because you are going there.

But meantime, before you get there,may all the hells that burn people on earth burn you always.

Righthussle:
🤣🤣🤣🤣

May your life be bitter and filled with pain forever.

Balablue64:
God is a dick.

May trailer cut you in half while fire is burning you.

EnemyofGod3:
Atheist: I got rich out of my own hardwork .. I didn’t need any god to help me… and no god can take my riches away.

Christian: god cannot be mocked .. the owner of the titanic said even god cannot sink the titanic and we know how that ended

Atheist: so your god had to drown all the innocent people in the titanic to prove to one man that he is god?

But If the man had said god cannot turn everyone in the ship to billionaires he won’t take the challenge…he won’t prove to the man that he is god by turning them all into billionaires .. it’s only when it involves committing genocide that his dick rises . 🚶🏽‍♂️🚶🏽‍♂️🚶🏽‍♂️

Christian: I’ll be praying for you 😭😭

More reasons why buildings should crush you devils and kidnappers should kill you devils.

MaxInDHouse:
That's what your type said about Jesus Christ so it's not new! John 10:20

Like i have said, your madness has now returned

advanceDNA:
I just said Google it...yet u said na lie ....

Lol...nigga....i don't know what ur ishh is....even though i am playing devils advocate here, u have no basis of invalidating the op.....

U did not see or hear him in his house speaking in tongues, yet you were quick to invalidated his experience by claiming he's speaking bli bli bli

So because someone has not come out to confirm a random speakers tongues makes it fake?? ....u even said u dint have to hear all language to know its fake.....lol did u do logic & fallacy in GNS in college??

Guy.....Ur pride is more than ur knowledge of scriptures

I said blebleble! You now came with your own one word "ble".which you.said i should google.

Meanwhile, blebleble and those faking tongues are more than just one word, so your recom was not useable.

Secondly, simple logic tells you that "he who.asserts must prove" so op saying he speaks foreign language requires to be proven by a person with that foreign language, especially with the fact that we know it is fakable. So the onus is on him to prove beypnd the doubt of faking, that he is genuine just like Obahiagbon with his higgi.hagga, and Crinkum crankum

So, stop being angry that your proposition did not hold up.

immortalcrown:
Does the announcement tell you that only those who made confession before the Mass should get the Holy communion? If yes, which parish made that announcement? If not, why are you forcing your own interpretation on me and asking me unnecessary questions?

Does the announcement not say "only practicing catholics" should come for the communion?

And who does not know that "practicing catholic" means one who has gone for confession before the mass?

And this is not the issue, the op cleatly asked
1) "Does it mean God did not hear our prayers for mercy? (at the begining of the mass or.furing the mass or the one just before the communion is given)

2) Does it mean God hears only the confessions we make before the Priest?"

If you cannot answer these questions we understand!

immortalcrown:
Does the announcement tell you that only those who made confession before the Mass should get the Holy communion? If yes, which parish made that announcement? If not, why are you forcing your own interpretation on me and asking me unnecessary questions?

During the communion prayer is it not said "this is my body/my blood given up for you (us)? That is clearly an invitation!

And this is aside.

The issue is can you or any catholic here answer the questions the op raised? To wit

1) "Does it mean God did not hear our prayers for mercy? (at the begining of the mass or.during the mass or the one just before the communion is given)

2) Does it mean God hears only the confessions we make before the Priest?"

immortalcrown:
If any baptized and confirmed Catholic does go for holy communion, blame the person, don't blame the announcement.

If a Catholic who is not baptized and confirmed does not go for holy communion because of the announcement, such a person is not wrong, neither is the announcement wrong.

So, what exactly is your point? The announcement is plane and simple. Blame those who misunderstand the announcement. The announcement is not wrong. You are misinterpreting the announcement and adding what is never implied in the announcement.

The point is that you people are biblically wrong but are just doing "Your house, your rules"

immortalcrown:
The spiritual preparation includes but is not only the confession.

The spiritual preparation is by Catholics who are baptized and confirmed. Confession and celebration of the Holy Mass are the preparation mentioned in the announcement. The announcement does not mean that someone who went for confession should not receive the holy communion...

You are not answering the question

1) "Does it mean God did not hear our prayers for mercy? (at the begining of the mass or.furing the mass or the one just before the communion is given)

2) Does it mean God hears only the confessions we make before the Priest?"

paxonel:
I was in one of the mass today, it reminds me how it used to be then...

But mehn...
Religion itself antagonizes the truth it teaches.

And i also understand that the Vatican officially accept that the earth is a sphere and isn't flat in shape most recently, after all these centuries, even when Neil Armstrong had landed on the moon in 1969 it really do not matter to them.

Imagine the level of dogmatism

You went to catholic church? No womder you are full of mad delusions and wishes.

ocnovakmichael:
..Note that that brother gave good response to my questions. He even admitted that my points are valid. But in the end, he says, "we know in part, and we prophesy in part."

These were written for us Catholics to put our faith in Gods word, not on our doctrines.

What were the responses he gave so that we.can measure it ourselves.

Michaeltreasure:
Thus, God's will shows how powerless and weak humanity is...

Because of their accomplihments do we not see people feeling not destructible like the cow who said there is no God because he made money?

So, let them stop making noise and stop their houses from collapsing or flooding.

MaxInDHouse:
Humbly admit that you've learned something today from one of Jehovah's Witnesses you're not going to be flogged if you teach your household what i just taught you!

Like i have said your madness has returned!

advanceDNA:
Ble means something ooo....Google it..

U have not met everyone..and there are many undocumented and unpopular languages in the world..
My funny get valid point is...there is no need invalidating someone's tongues as fake or rubbish because we can't audit or compare it to a popular language we know..

For example.... "Bli" which can sound like gibberish to u ...also means to be come, to get, or to grow in Norwegian

Na lie! I don't need to meet everyone to know that blebleble is not under anybody"s language, for this fake act is so notorious that everyone has been waiting for years for someone neutral to come out and point out and say, "no that pastor is not faking his tongue, he is speaking .Kiev langiage, exactly like what happened.to our beloved Obahiagbon with his higgi.hagga, and Crinkum crankum

MaxInDHouse:
At least i taught you what Esau got wrong and you never knew it before!

Clearly your madness has returned!

IdeasYapayaski:
So when you open your church, read Genesis to Revelation in every service since you're not the cut and join kinda Christian.

I don't need to open church to tell people tge whole Truth.

If you must condemn adultery of the man to married women, it will not take you time to condemn adultery of the woman to the maried man and in that same vein and note, it would take you time to condemn every kind of sex outside maraiage (fornication).

See, i just did the 3 without opening a church!

NevetsIbot:
Lmao. Blee bleee bleee😂😂😂😂

Quite true.. I’m a Christian but I really don’t subscribe to this version of speaking in tongues in modern day Christianity. Until my mum starts speaking Chinese when she’s high in the spirit before I believe anyone is speaking in tongues

Yes oo! Tongues means natural language

MaxInDHouse:
Admit that you've been taught what you didn't know!

Clearly, your madness has returned!

frankadrian:
You guys keep parroting this same line without fully understanding the story. They didn't speak human languages as you say, but whatever they spoke was understood by people in their very own language. You may not understand this phenomenon but let me give you a scenario to help you.

In a crusade, a girl was filled with the spirit and started prelophesying, in the congregation, there were Igbos, Hausas, Yorubas, Efiks, all language in Nigeria, and somehow while this one individual was prophesying, every single person could understand her in their own native language, and guess what? The girl said she didn't even know what she was saying. It was gibberish like you called it.

Kindly explain to me how this one girl, speaking one language, was understood by people with many different languages in their very own language? That's what happened in the Pentecost too. Read the story again and you will note that some people in that crowd heard gibberish coming from the disciples, hence they called them drunk. Will you call someone who is soundly speaking your language drunk?

That's the story below, read it!

‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:4‭-‬13‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

[5] And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven.

[6] And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language.

[7] Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans?

[8] And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? ”..

Read again, they were speaking other tongues NOT STRANGE TONGUES!

Which is they were speaking their natiral language or they spoke other people's languages eg like an ashanti speaking ibo, ehen or like when we are amazed by a chinese man speaking youruba.

And members of the public who were foreigners witb those languages HEARD THEM, exactly as we are shocked to see an oyibo man speaking bini.

Its as simple as that. They were not speaking a strange or manufacturable language but were speaking either their normal local language which the foreigners suddenly acquired uderstanding of the hebrew language even thougb they do not hear nor understand hebrew because of The Power of God.

Or suddenly, Peter found himself speaking efik and the efik man in the street was shocked to see a whiteman speaking efik.

Those are the 2 natural scenarios which explain what happened on that womderfull day.

AND SEE AFTER THAT DAY, IT NEVER EVER HAPPENED AGAIN! But, as we havr.already seen those who fabricated it do it again and again and again. And can always do it at their will and motion. CLEARLY, ITS FAKE and definitely unholy spirit!