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MaxInDHouse:
Are these tribulations from God or the result of Adamic sin inherited by his descendants?

Did you not read the bible to see all that God Said?

MaxInDHouse:
That's what i'm asking you:

Was Esau REPENTANT due to his mistakes or seeking material blessings?

Did the bible not lay out how Esau's sinned? Did the bible say mistake or material blessings was his sin?

GanagiBitrus:
An argument becomes fruitless when both parties don't have common grounds for argument; which in this case should be the Bible.
&your response to my simple questions on meaning of Salvation clearly showed this.

We all know that good and right arguments are based on Truth fullnes, fairness, reasonability, validity, equality, etc

And my response to your question was to ascertain how far and deep your knowledge on salvation was, so that we would both see and know what grounds we speak and ask any reasonable and fair questions from.

Ooooooh ypu people should have broken down that door naaa!

MaxInDHouse:
Did Esau REPENTED or CRYING due to his lost?

Argue that with Hebrew 12:17
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

MaxInDHouse:
You didn't answer the question:

Are the untimely deaths and troubles facing faithful servants of God today the result of God's will?

I have answered the question by reminding you.that God Warned us that these Tribulations shall come!

GanagiBitrus:
You are wrong, but let's not argue about that - readers seeking the biblical truth will discern.

Argument is the way we find and prove Truth, for lies do not stand tbe test of fair ans valid argument. So, if you believe you.are saying the Trutb, then you must prove it by makng valid arguments.

So, you cannot say i am.wrong when technicallly i have not said anything it is rather you who said.which i probed andyou could answer no further.because you stand was sunk.

And you.have said you don't care to know or test mine, so no problem. Find another ground to stand upon but do know that if it is sinkable, i will sink it when i see it.

MaxInDHouse:
So the death of faithful people around you is as a result of the wrath of your god?

See clear proof that you jws are devils specifically you, for God forewarned many.many things that have now come which we now see
2 Timothy 3
"But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come:

GanagiBitrus:
It's OK. Your perspective on the subject is of no personal value to me & your are entitled to it.
My responses were actually for the sake of other readers. 👋

I know, but clearly, you can see you are standing on sinking and sinkable grrounds and not on Christ as my probing has proved,

Any ground or belief that is not on Christ a sinking and sinkable sand, so love yourself and find The Solid Rock of Christ.

geoworldedu:
You are in danger of hell for calling me a fool

Not this time!

MaxInDHouse:
Whatever EVIL that's happening now has nothing to do with the WILL of God it's the result of Adamic sin which will be tough during the last days...

Stop lying jw.

God warned us of The great Tribulations and His Wrath but like you, you people never hear.

kppo:
1 Thessalonians 5:18 KJV In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

Off point!

armchairscholar:
From a Christian perspective, we believe that God's ultimate will is for humanity to be in loving relationship with Him and to reflect His character in the world. As Jesus taught, the greatest commandments are to love God and love our neighbor (Matthew 22:36-40). So at its core, God's will is about love - receiving God's love and sharing it with others.

1. God's will is revealed through Scripture. The Bible provides moral guidance and insight into God's character and purposes. Studying Scripture prayerfully can help align our hearts with God's will.

2. God's will often unfolds gradually as we walk in faith. We may not always have a clear roadmap, but can trust God to guide our steps as we seek Him.

3. God's will involves our transformation. As Paul writes, God's will is our "sanctification" (1 Thessalonians 4:3) - our growth in holiness and Christlikeness.

4. God's will is carried out through human free will and choice. God doesn't typically override our freedom, but invites our cooperation.

5. Discerning God's will requires spiritual attentiveness. Through prayer, reflection, and openness to the Holy Spirit, we can become more attuned to God's leading.

6. God's will is ultimately about His glory and the flourishing of His creation. Our individual callings fit into this larger purpose.

It's important to note that God's will is not always easy or comfortable. Jesus himself struggled with accepting God's will in Gethsemane (Luke 22:42). Yet we can trust that God's will is ultimately good, even when it involves suffering or sacrifice.

Practically speaking, seeking God's will involves both active discernment and trust. We should prayerfully consider our decisions, seek wise counsel, and use the gifts and opportunities God has given us. But we also need to rest in God's sovereignty, knowing that even when we can't see the full picture, God is working all things for good (Romans 8:28).

Off point! Sorry.

Michaeltreasure:
I usually hear of statements like, "What happened is God's Will, whenever a disaster happens. I don't understand. Is the will of God evil? The Bible says God loves us and has good thoughts towards us, if that's the case, why are bad things attributed to his will?
Below is a sceenshot of a persons comment on the Jos school building collapse...

This is what people say when God shows them how powerless and weak they are!

immortalcrown:
...The verse you are quoting only says he sought repentance. Quote where he sought the repentance.

Isn't it crazy that you confess that he sought repentance yet, you are asking where did he seek repentance?

Is "sought" not proof of a person's past action of seeking?

Have you descended so low into madmess and delusion that you are pretending not to know basic englsh again? Men argue with Hebrews 12:17

GanagiBitrus:
It's OK if my answers are not satisfactory. Perhaps you know more than I do & I'm willing to learn.
So pls...
1. What is Salvation
2. What's the requirement for Salvation.

Your answers fail because they are not supported by God and Truth. That was why atheists were able to tear down those who wrongly called themselves Christians.

Because any belief that is not based on Truth, is tearable and fallable. Whereas Truth has no fall in it that is why it is a Law "that there is no valid argument against the Truth"

Thus the first question is salvation from what? Or salvation from Who/who?

paxonel:
Will a Christian live a miserable life on earth in anticipation of heaven or rapture?

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

His death and resurrection has translated us into his kingdom already, you don't need to wait for any rapture.

Now, Europeans and the western world who brought Christianity to Africa have understood this. Are their lives today looks like people who are waiting to have good things?

Waiting is a mind-set of poverty
It's a perpetual slavery of the mind, it was never scriptural.

So, instead of waiting, why not think of solutions to the problems around your immediate environment?

Is it now you are knowing this? Have you not been thinking of solutions to your problems since you were born, yet.you live misery fully?

Continue encouraging yourself but surely no matter the amount of encouragement you give yourself, it would always end in pain full futility when you see that your bucket will never be full when you use a fork to fill it.

geoworldedu:
Year 2030 is around the corner. I am watching to see if anyone in Nigeria will still keep talking about rapture as at then. Let me pardon all these ignorant iddiots still talking about rapture in 2024. If six years after, they are still ranting about it, then they need to be held down by surgeons for brain surgery. Jiggaz will be first in line then. Jesusjnr should be held too. I don't know if MrPresident is still active about this rapture thingy. If so, he should be the first in line for the brain surgery while Jiggaz should be the next in line.
Make I bend if rapture ever take place

You are a fool for you to believe that rapture is something you need to believe in!

immortalcrown:
Why are you not willing to quote the verse where he tried to repent? You are quoting only the part that is just a reference to his case. Go to the chapters that contain his story, show me when he tried to repent.

The verse you are quoting only says he sought repentance. Quote where he sought the repentance.

If you want to lie against Paul and the bible, because it does not match your delusions, come out of your darkness and do it.

Meanwhile Argue with Hebrews 12:17
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

So.knock yourself silly!

GanagiBitrus:
When it comes to salvation, only Jesus Christ who is without sin is qualified to atone for your sins.

When you truly believe that Christ laid down His life to save you from eternal death, you will realise you now live for Christ & you will naturally start doing things to please him.

So in essence, it's your Faith in who Christ is, & what he has done for you that guarantees Salvation.
It's not your works. Your works are a natural response to that Faith.

You are dodging the question! I did not ask "When it comes to salvation/When i truly believe"...

I asked

"This cannot be work for every man is doing this thing you call work! And many have died for other people eg the man who died saving his children from drowning or the 9/11 firefighters.

If you say, this is what belief in Christ means, then why do i need to believe in Christ?

For, if i believe Seyi Tinubu is Tinubu's son, and he died and came back to live again of what relevance is this to me?"

If you are not abie to answer this question we understand for we already know that you are now knowing that you are wrong and do not know Christ nor know what belief in Christ means!

immortalcrown:
The Hebrew verse does not say he repented. Where in Genesis did Esau repent?

Clearly, you have gone mad to the point that you are ready to lie against Paul and the bible, because it does not match your delusions.

Argue with Hebrews 12:17
K
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

immortalcrown:
Baseless!

Clear proof you are wrong and now you.have gone crazy because you see you have nothing to say in counter.

immortalcrown:
Baseless!

Clear proof you are wrong and now you.have gone crazy because you see you have nothing to say in counter.

immortalcrown:
This does not answer my question.

Why don't you quote the part where Esau repented? Why don't you quote the chapter that contains the story of Esau?

See deflecting!

The bible via Genesis and Hebrews 12:17, has already answered you whether you like it or not!

So if you don't have any chapter or part of the bible which has Esau's story proving that Paul lied against Esau in Hebrews 12:17, then poof!

immortalcrown:
Your question remains baseless.

My error in the conversation is unrelated to your claim about my comment. So, your question to me is baseless.

Rubbish!

You say this because you see you are wrong

immortalcrown:
How did Esau seek repentance?

Hebrews 12:17 said the "how"!

immortalcrown:
You have not provided the base for your question to me. I don't answer baseless questions.

You say this after you have already responded to when i told you the basis? Clear proof you are now playing mad because you know you have nothing reasonable to say in counter to me.

GanagiBitrus:
What is the work which Christ did and finished?
He came down to earth to dwell among men, suffered a painful death & laid down His life for our sake.

This cannot be work for every man is doing this thing you call work! And many have died for other people eg the man who died saving his children from drowning or the 9/11 firefighters.

GanagiBitrus:
What does believe in christ mean?
Believe that Christ is Son of God & He laid down His life and resurrected to save us from Sin (wages of sin in death) & reconciled us to God. 👍

If you say, this is what belief in Christ means, then why do i need to believe in Christ?

For, if i believe Seyi Tinubu is Tinubu's son, and he died and came back to live again of what relevance is this to me?

immortalcrown:
Either you are drunk or you are deliberately being mischievous here. That Christ changed some things and brought salvation to mankind is a fact, not an error. And it does not mean that God changes. Even you have not been able to explain how this means that God changes.

The error in my main comment is that I should not have presented given the salvation as the reason for Easu's situation.

Meanwhile, you have not answered any of my questions.

Right now you are the one playing drunk and being deceitful in pretending to not see that

1) You refused to answer my own question of which i asked you first but you refused it because you saw that it made you look like you spoke rubbish. So.you dodged it!

2) Only the portion about Christ raising the dead (Lazarus) was relevant to the issue at hand, which is Christ's Acts. All others were mere repetitions and examples of Christ's acts, so they had no point.

And now that you see that you had no valid or reasonable thing to say in counter to my response, you are now dubiously playing madness and insanity.

immortalcrown:
ADDED:
My reference to the salvation brought by Jesus Christ is wrong in this context. The reason for Esau's case is that his repentance was not genuine. Read the story well for a proper understanding of it. Then, check Hebrew 10:26, which says, "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.".

Which "genuine" is more than a seeking repentance with tears and care?

GanagiBitrus:
Believe that Christ is Son of God & He laid down His life and resurrected to save you from Sin (wages of sin in death) & reconciled you to God.
You are justified by this faith. 👍

I did not ask what to do with christ.

I asked "What is the work which Christ did and finished? And .What does believe in christ mean?"

And your re not being abie to answer this question or refusal to do so clearluy proves you are wrong and you do not know what you say.

immortalcrown:
Either you are drunk or you are deliberately being mischievous here. That Christ changed some things and brought salvation to mankind is a fact, not an error. And it does not mean that God changes. Even you have not been able to explain how this means that God changes.

The error in my main comment is that I should not have presented given the salvation as the reason for Easu's situation.

Meanwhile, you have not answered any of my questions.

See it, now you are the one being snaky because you see that you spoke erroneosly and thought wrongly and now that you are being challenged, you have gotten very angry and refused to answer questions put to you.

And now here you are changing the argument fron "Do you say The Lord changeth and doth not keepeth His Word?" which you refused to answer only to now change int to "Christ changed some things".thereby confessing that "That Christ changed some things".

Whereas you forget that Christ did not come on His Own but came under The Commandment of God and even followed The Commandments of God.

So Christ's Acts are all Acts of God. So the question is Did God change and do things differently?

The bible clearly shows that the answer is "No" for when everything Christ Did, we can see that He Did upto 99% all of what God had already done even before He came eg He saved people and raised the dead.

So. Christ did not change any of God's Things, as He even clearly satated in Mathew 5:17

Rather He reiterated them by Re-Doing them