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jaephoenix:
And when he said thou shalt not kill or lie or have other gods , were they not killing, lying and have other graven images before?
See its really tiring defending Yahweh and the Bible. I don't envy your job at all

hehehe your trying to use another person's argument to reargue your lost case will not work. hehehe.

Besides, he said the same thing and I answered him and he had no counter, so, No Road!

jaephoenix:
Just like I can tell Yahweh, 'hold on, remove your judgement don't condemn me and accuse me of murder, I wanna kill DTruthSpeaker'
And he listens to me

You are not God's Clay, so your telling is a waste.

jaephoenix:
Told you, didn't I?
Dude is so very predictable. Get him into a tight corner, and he plays his 'Change of post' card and runs away

I will never allow any invalid argument so cry and lament all your life, it will still not make an invalid argument valid.

sotall:
I leave you to your half-truths and dodging the obvious.

hahahahaha .now, you know you have no thing, boy.

"There is no valid argument against the Truth." It is an unbreakable Law.

LordReed:
LoLz@ "None of can ever switch the burden of proof on me." No need to even try, it will always be yours anytime you make a claim. Claims like "And as you can see by the time of the judges, you do not see any slave in Isreal whether of Hebrew or of other nations." that you refused to actually cite any passage to support. Bwahahahahahahahaha!

you can not switch the burden of proof. hehehe

And funny, you now confirm.you have checked and have seen that there is no slave in Isreal by the time of the judges which is why you are not able to counter. Loser! hehehehehe!

No Road!

"There is no valid argument against the Truth". Absolutely none. It is an unbreakable Law!

FxMasterz:
Enoch and Elijah were taken up or guided there because they do not know the way there themselves. .

1. There are more than 1 heavens

2. Guile means cunning and deceit, so where is the deceit here?

Did we suffer any harm or loss because this statement was Said or not?

This is just devils looking for something to say. I am sure the idiot has been destroyed and lived and died horribly because of his blasphemy.

Thank God he would soon be transferred to lake of fire for the main service of his punishment.

Jashub:
You do have the power to do sir . Because each and everyone of us would then have his or her own sense of right and wrong .

There is really no his or her right or wrong only right and wrong, standing on their own and people exercising their power to do either of them as captured by this guy.

The truth of the matter is that you always know the right thing to do. The other part is the doing of it. (<My addition)

Norman Schwarzkopf

jaephoenix:
Its his trademark. When you ask him about it, he'll add more insults or put up that his slander post

None of can ever switch the burden of proof on me.

Since you came into the thread knowing the meaning of bondsman/bonds woman and have been arguing on it, you can no longer change it.

So, it's invalid and Road Block, hence No Road!

LordReed:
He'll probably dodge this question till the thread fizzles out. LoLz.

I wonder what other name you give to people that you BUY and have as POSSESSIONS FOREVER.

None of you can ever switch the burden of proof on me.

Since he came into the thread knowing the meaning of bondsman/bonds woman and he has been arguing on it, he can no longer change that meaning he was representing it to be.

So, it's invalid and Road Block, hence No Road!

BLESANI101:
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Hmm tru

That is the Truth O

sotall:
Another very shallow
So at the time he gave them the law of "Thou shall not steal", you mean they weren't into fornication already or stealing wasn't in practice?

Change of Post! I did not say they did not steal or fornicate.

You don't have any thing to say.

sotall:
That they were already into slavery is not a reason not to tell them that it is wrong. Moreover thousands of years passed and He never told them to stop slavery.

You are just woefully clutching at at air because you have no reasonable counter to give. Even now, no one tells all those migrants crossing into Europe that it is wrong. The first thing that they are doing is to take care of them and settle them.

So this is God taking care of the slaves first.

So you don't have any thing to say.

sotall:
Bro stop defending the indefensible.

exactly what people say when they don't have any thing to say because

"There is no valid argument against The Truth".

So just rest, there is no valid argument anyone can make.

As evident here.

gohf:
If you feel hurting people be it physically, emotionally, mentally in whatever way just because you enjoy it is a good thing then you're sick and may not even know it. Because at the end you hurt people around you and yourself. You don't need a special hell somewhere you have created it.

if you don't believe in God and you don't behave better that those who claim to, how exactly do you feel at peace with yourself.

Someone who doesn't believe in God nor has heard of God but does good and right isn't really bother if God exists or not. If God exists fine, if God doesn't exist fine, it won't stop them from being nor doing good.

As evident in this thread

gohf:
If you feel hurting people be it physically, emotionally, mentally in whatever way just because you enjoy it is a good thing then you're sick and may not even know it. Because at the end you hurt people around you and yourself. You don't need a special hell somewhere you have created it.

if you don't believe in God and you don't behave better that those who claim to, how exactly do you feel at peace with yourself.

Someone who doesn't believe in God nor has heard of God but does good and right isn't really bother if God exists or not. If God exists fine, if God doesn't exist fine, it won't stop them from being nor doing good.

Jashub:
I have a question for you : where did you get this sense of morality from ...? Is it from religion or from your own personal reflection?

We know good (morality) and evil (wrongness) thus we already possess the power of knowing morality and wrongness.

gohf:
If you feel hurting people be it physically, emotionally, mentally in whatever way just because you enjoy it is a good thing then you're sick and may not even know it. Because at the end you hurt people around you and yourself. You don't need a special hell somewhere you have created it.

if you don't believe in God and you don't behave better that those who claim to, how exactly do you feel at peace with yourself.

Someone who doesn't believe in God nor has heard of God but does good and right isn't really bother if God exists or not. If God exists fine, if God doesn't exist fine, it won't stop them from being nor doing good.

Atheism means one who hates Good. Therefore all atheists are lovers of evil.

And as you see, they are always in support of every wicked thing

sotall:
How you left the main point of my earlier rebuttal and focused on the side points still baffles me.

it always amuses me to see how you people forget that this is a written debate therefore, everything said remains there and does not go away unlike non written arguments where you can feign forgetness and denial.

So your attempt to deflect only falls back on you and disgraces you.

sotall:
Now give a direct answer to this and not dodge.

If God who doesn't yet have a relationship with man according to you can say " Thou shall not commit fornication " and " Thou shall not lie"

Why cant he say " Thou shall not own slaves"

In your answer please use my references. That will make this easier

I have already explained it. Thou shall not commit fornication " and " Thou shall not lie" are future actions that you may do or may not do.

But slavery is already on going and they already had slaves which they think is natural and allowable unlike fornication and lying which everyone knows already that they are wrong.

Azyne:
White people and their problems

As they dont want us to refer to God in the masculine, And I'm certain nobody will even agree to use 'Her' or 'She' should we now use 'They'

If this one no be ment I dont know what it is

It's not a white people thing, it is a sign the end is near.

Wiseandtrue:
Joke taken too far!

No it is not a joke. The end is now near and the Antichrist is about to unveiled.

O The World will soon end! Thank you Lord!

The revealing of the Antichrist is very very near now.

O Thank you Lord, the hot vengeance of The Lord against all devils (Fake Christians, Muslims, atheists, [lortReed, Jaephoenix, kingmadsamz, known unknown, theSourcerer, ext] homosexuals, adulterers, bandits, rapists, prostitutes, marriage breakers etc) shall soon pour on them and our cry for just is, shall soon be delivered. Thank you Lord.

MaxInDHouse:
So the question:
What did God's Son mean by this statement?
How can one commit the unforgivable sin?)

People know already but when they get so full of evil, they would break every Law they find.

sotall:


Sorry bro feel free to stop answering if you feel pushed to a corner you cant escape from. You aren't God, nor the writer of the bible.

Your recent response is so weak i cant deal.

Arguments must be on point of the issueat all times and every deviation from the argument renders such argument invalid.

So, it is either you can give a direct answer to the issue or you can't. That is how a debate goes.

sotall:
Listen to you? Bro we are having an argument and you are not doing a good job at trying to convince me.

I am not trying to convince you, (I don't care about you) I am only having an argument and so far you are proving my case where I told you that you do not listen to people who you do not have relationship with.

sotall:
Is the relationship between God and man not analogous to " Potter and clay".

It is even better for unlike the clay, God even listens to "His Clays" and even does what they ask for.

And ditto! We know that Potter-clay is meant to remind man of his place most especially as you people have gotten out of line exactly like a Good Landlord would remind a stupid tenant that he is a tenant.

We are going away from course, so back to the issue of slavery, if you have any reasonable and valid thing to say.

LikeAking:
Even if God is existing, he is a God of injustice...

You are too stupid to not real eyes that just is means that what happens to one offender must happen to all offenders, which God has already promised to settle on the Day He has chosen and set down to Judge all cases.

Abel has still not gotten His Justice from God since Cain murdered him, so everyone looking for just is has to wait, just as I am waiting for my just is against you.

So He is still God of Just is and people who require just is wait for the time of the Court.

ChinemeremFidel:
...So that is not God plan for you and don't embrace those Western cultures,,let's be proud of our culture...

Have you seen a thief or liar or devil ever admit that he is a sinner?

Sinners would always pursue any and everything which they think will cover and justify their abominations.

sotall:
You mean He thought they wouldn't listen to him if he told them not to own slaves?

Even now do you listen to me?

If I was your friend (relationship) is it not much more certain and almost guaranteed that you would listen and obey?

sotall:
And thousands of years passed since he first communicated with them and he never deemed it necessary to tell them it was time to stop slavery...

According to the bible, is he not the one that created them in the first instance?
Is the relationship between Him and them not that of " a Potter and clay

Now you have gone Off Point and deviating from Post, because you have nothing to say.

jaephoenix:
I don't feel offended. If you notice, you, DTruthSpeaker, Elated177, Oladegbu and other psychotic christians refer to atheists as devils, satans etc. Do you see us react or retaliate to call you names? No, we either ignore or laugh, cos we know its all bullshit. A theist more likely would take offence. Only time I reacted was when you cussed my parents.

I have told you that devil means the-evil (D'evil just like D'day means The- day).

And everything about you is evil, hence calling you the-evil is very very appropriate and accurate. D'evil.

sotall:
Then you can also say " Thou shall not own a slave".

Do you not appreciate that He is dealing with people who already have slaves?

And He is the One Who came to them for a relationship, so is it not a case of if He does not like what He sees in them He can go?

And How can He can they listen to Him and be saved, if He does not have a relationship with them?

Prince2bad:
You don't even read your Bible if you're saying this

See, you can not counter. And instead of you to go shamefully away, you are still talking more rubbish.

Cite where God said do not eat of the tree of life BEFORE they ate the fruit of knowl. of G & E?

sotall:
In all honesty, isnt it just simple to tell the masters that slavery is a sin just like saying " Thou shall not lie or steal?"

No it is not.

It is exactly like entering into a relationship with a person. You do not go in and immediately start throwing away all the things that person is accustomed to having.

It is exactly the same challenge the missionaries met with Africans when they came here and saw that Africans had more than 1 wife. They still brought Christianity to them and had relationships with them even though they had more than 1 wife.

And today, their work is done and a lot of people have 1 wife. So it is in Isreal such that by judges, you do not see a slave in Isreal which clearly means that God's plan of eradicating slavery was successful.

KnownUnknown:
Exodus 21:
20 “When Jaephoenix strikes his slave Dtruthspeaker, allegedly male, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. 21 But if Dtruthspeaker survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.

You have Yahweh’s approval to beat the scumbag to within an inch of his life. Dtruthspeaker is your money. Not worth much but he is your money regardless.

You have no thing to say such that you are now complaining against The prohibiting the murder of a slave where even your criminal laws, knowing how evil and wicked you people are, increased it from 2 days to "a year and a day"

jaephoenix:
Youre just talking bullshit.
I said where yhwh said taking of slaves is wrong, not stealing or maltreatment.

See yourself. Maltreatment is the core of slavery, if not you people will not be running to UK or Canada or Us offering yourselves up to be their slaves.

jaephoenix:
Is he not the same god that told israelites to sack a city and take the people there as slaves?
If he says don't take slaves then he'd be contradicting himself, don't you think so?

Now you lie, for no where did God say "sack a city and take the people there as slaves".

KnownUnknown:
Ohhhhhhh, I’m so scared!!!!!! The Hebrew boogie man is coming to get me!!

Your wailings already prove it.

GodIsDead:
)... The worship of this God is called "The Abomination of Moab" and is introduced in Jerusalem... Solomon did what was evil in the Lord’s . 9 The Lord was very angry with Solomon, for his heart had turned away from the Lord, the God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice. 10 He had warned Solomon specifically about worshiping other gods, but Solomon did not listen to the Lord’s command. 11 So now the Lord said to him, “[b]Since you have not kept my covenant and have disobeyed my decrees, I will surely tear the kingdom away from you[/b ]and give it to one of your servants.[/i]
- 1 Kings 11: 1-11 NLT

You are a plain naked mad man. You admit that The Lord said he would bring down Solomon yet you credit it to a Moab abomination?

As Moab was wiped out forever so shall you be wiped out forever, you African abomination.