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IMAliyu:
Well, what both you and work.ch just did was create a straw man of the other's perspective to argue against.

Every person is free to set and determine his Area of interest and an opponent can run on it.

And the police against fallibilities usually comes in only after an opponent has contended against the person setting the ground of contention.

Therefore, you are free to raise your own thread and set your own ground of interest but this was workchs interest and he exercised his right on how he intended to display his interest.

So, you can do your own, your own way.

Maynman:
God is a title not a person. Ignorance is not bliss.
So, Which god are you talking about? Zeus? Jehovah? Elohim? Allah? Eledumare? Chineke?

Before I go to hell, I’ll do a three some with Jehovah and Jesus

As long as you know hell is your portion, my point is made and hell begins from earth. So, pains and sorrows and failures and cryings and lamentations and cursings shall follow you, all the days of your life on earth before you proceed to the main event in the lake of Fire as you have desired.

IMAliyu:
You are starting at a false premise, which is that science suggest that anyone or anything has, or can create itself from from nothing or "emptyness" as you put it.

You are so crooked, that you are not able to be straight anymore.
You demanded to know my stand. here and I have laid it again before and rather than directly rebut, you are changing it from what it is, to what you wish to address. "Science suggest".

Clearly, you are not able to rebut, so you got no thing.!

Obiter! it would be an horror that you graduated from regular school (excluding your Islamic schools, maybe it is allowed to change questions there) for surely it is supposed to be impossible to pass exams when you change the questions before you.

IMAliyu:
Did a mannequin make itself, can a table make itself? No, they can not, they are artificial human creations.Now, that I hope I've cleared your misconceptions, of the scientific position.
Did a mannequin make itself, can a table make itself? No, they can not,...

Thank you for proving my case!

IMAliyu:
. You suggest the universe and these manmade objects are in the same category.We can go to a carpenter or sculptor and witness the creation of your suggested objects and similar objects to undeniably conclude they were human creations.

The carpenter and sculpturist are your mates (in Nigerian parlance) exactly as one mannequin to another mannequin AND THEREFORE, YOU CAN GO TO IT.

BUT THE TABLE CAN NOT GO TO THE CARPENTER NOR THE SCULPTURE, THE SCULPTOR.

BUT THE CARPENTER CAN ALWAYS ALWAYS GO TO THE TABLE AND THE SCULPTOR, HIS SCULPTURES.

So unless you go to the mannequin, it would never see nor know how it was made nor how the boutique it lives in was made.

So, you fall!

IMAliyu:
We can not do the same for universe we can only deduce...

And that is your death blow! The only way you living mannequins can ever validly know is to Go to God, The Creator or Listen to What He has Said. Exactly as your mannequin must come to you and listen to what you say!

No conjectures, no deductions, no calculations, no speculations, ONLY TRUTH!

IMAliyu:
A side note, If we were to say accept the creation of the universe by an entity, we'd still be stuck unable to provide proof for a specific belief's creator God

Not True! Among all the billions of people in the world, the thief, murderer, adulteress and adulterer is known and discovered, how then is it impossible for any to find He, Who is God, if he so truly wants to?

Maynman:
And you are so certain it is your judgement day that’s coming out of thousands of religion claiming judgment day.

You are going to hell in someone’s else religion, no option

There are millions of people paying Respect to He Who is The Mighty Creator, commonly called God, in their languageand tongues BUT HE ALONE, IS GOD! AND THERE IS NONE OTHER!

AS ALREADY PROVEN BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT.

AND HE AGAIN HAS SPOKEN, THAT HE IS COMING TO JUDGE. AND THE WORLD HAS LONG SINCE HEARD HE SAID SO.

NO OTHER of your god of your conjecture ever said so.

So, you are only attending one Judgement Day, exactly as you have lived in His House(World) and shall be caught by His Death, therefore, you must appear in His Court when He calls you.

So you are on your way to Hell

Karlebolu:
I don't understand why you think space exploration is an escape from God's judgment.

Even your question clearly proves that is why you ask!

Karlebolu:
Why did Pakistan not release Osama bin laden to US?

Simply because they have the right to condone and defend criminals in their House, against other men of equal standing.

Which did not happen in the cases of Nnamdi Kanu (Kenya) and Sunday Igboho (Benin Republic)

But not when A Higher demands you release a criminal in your custody. You will certainly Obey!

Karlebolu:
My point is, the Bible didn't make any reference to the what will happen to those that were not in earth at the time of rapture or the second coming, these are events recorded in the Bible to occur on earth, why?

And my Answer is, it does not need to for it is even the worsest thing a person can do to himself!

That person should have committed suicide on earth, that would have been better for him. than to have gone to try to hide in mars or any planet.

Exactly as convicts who escape from prison, O what suffering awaits them!

budaatum:
Thankfully, you don't exactly qualify to tell buda what is valid or not.

Thank fully, I do and just did.

Karlebolu:
No. You're having a great time and passing snide remarks, it shows you are annoyed at something.

Anyways there's no need to be angry, try to talk in plain language.

you should know this about me, when people do stupid things, I mock them! snide remarks is me holding back!

Stupid people are my entertainment. They are my nairaland version of Mr Bean and Frank Spencer -"some mother's do ave em" guy.

IMAliyu:
Very simple, I'm trying to understand the nature of your question before going further.

The question is:
"This House popular called earth or world, that is housing all of us in it, including trees, animals, rivers etc in different rooms or parts called countries"
1) WHO MADE IT? OR

2) IF YOU SAY, "NO WHO" (THEN YOU ARE GOING TO PROVE HOW YOU KNOW, THAT THERE IS A NO WHO ) THEREFORE WHAT MADE IT? (ANOTHER PROOF)

3) DO YOU THINK IT MADE ITSELF (WHICH YOU ARE GOING TO PROVE)

SO, YOU SEE, YOUR PROVINGS ARE MANY AND THEY MUST BE VALID.

IMAliyu:
And you haven't confirmed my previous enquiry, to know wether I'm correct and should address those specific quoted posts of yours or not.

I did in telling you that my answer is up above.

But only one person stays in the cross-examination box. And since you are so eager, why don't you go first. While I do the cross-examination!

Karlebolu:
I don't understand why the question is provoking you.

Maybe you should walk around to clear your head.

I am laughing and having great fun, yet you say I am provoked?

surely, you are using style to tell me that I am provoking you!

Karlebolu:
I do not agree with this. Besides, the Bible never made reference to another planet or galaxy.
John clearly didn't know about the space in the Revelation and I do not know how the holy spirit didn't tell him about it.

it does not need to. In fact do you not see that if God finds them anywhere else other than earth, their matter don worse pata-pata?

Exactly as a child hiding in the toilet when daddy was looking for him, his matter got aggravated and worse.

Karlebolu:
You can be the most wanted criminal in Nigeria and be an innocent man in Saudi Arabia, that's the kind of comparison that relates here.

That's by the way tho.

By the way, remember, wanted criminals get deported or get tried in the Forum Courts where they fled to. But this is men of semi equal standing.

So, remember, when you fled to your neighbours' place, did you escape Popsies punishment? Could your neighbour stop him?

Karlebolu:
I think you are taking this too personally.

No, not really! Just the lengths toys are willing to go just so that they escape their Creator, greatly amuses and interests me.

budaatum:
Yes. Obviously. Least if you do God, whom, as far as is claimed, came out of emptiness, unless you want to claim a superior made God.

INVALID RESPONSE!

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS WORLD AND THE THINGS IN IT, WHICH WE HAVE SEEN AND KNOWN.

AND NO SPACE TRAVEL TO GOD'S WORLD WHICH NO MAN HAS SEEN AND CAN KNOW!

SO, INVALID!

xproducer:
There is no way, or place to escape the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST (Hebrews 4:12-13)...”

Foolish men do not remember that creations can never escape from their Creator!

Mickykarim:
How would Elon musk do in couple of years, what the Russians have not done since the discovery in the 50s? ..

It really does not matter. It is possible to make living there possible however they can not escape the reach of God.

I can see God laughing at them even right now saying "You think you can escape me by fleeing to a barren land?"

O man is a very funny creature indeed. because he can think, he thinks he can evade his Creator!

O what a great fool he is!

Karlebolu:
Imagine if we were able to colonize Mars or relocate to one of those planets, galaxies or possibly universes that support life in the next few years.

It is said in the Bible that the second coming of Jesus and rapture will happen on this earth.

What will happen to those people who have relocated to another planet or maybe another galaxy? Or another universe?


This is not an attack at your belief, it just an honest question.

Reasonable question! That would be tantamount to one of your toys escaping from one shelf to another.

So does that toy truly escape from you?

Clearly No!

it is still in your house where anything you wish to do on it can be implemented without hindrance.

IMAliyu:
You made the assumption, I read the previous posts besides the op's.
I see, you thought my first post here was directed at you, no wonder you seemed frustrated.

I knew it was not directed at me but as long as at it was not True, i came to tear it to shreds!

IMAliyu:
The observable[b] scientific [b]evidence shows the universe expanded form a single point,
and this is dubbed the BigBang (I am willing, to individually lay out the observations and evidence if requested)...

First, you are supposed to lay down the evidence you claim to have for us to see. BUT THAT IS NOT THE QUESTION!

IMAliyu:
If the nature of your question is "what sparked the universe into existence" the straight answer is IDK, and there exists no scientific explanation with proof at the moment, so scientists in the field will say they don't know, it's all in the realm of philosophy and hypothesis right now.

That is the question, which is "how this world began".

Thus, if your answer is "I Don't Know" (iDK) then you really can not participate in this issue.

We want people who know to speak on it.

Therefore, this answer cancels your earlier answer on Uncle Bang Bang, for you don't know.

IMAliyu:
To you just and fair is whoever agrees with you.
And you act like you are not aware of this bias of yours.

As I clearly said "A matter is either just and fair or it is unjust and wrong!".

I support the just and fair balance whether people agree with me or not.

And there is no bias in "just and fair" ONLY BALANCE, EQUITY AND JUST IS as proven by your difficulty in finding any bias with me, which you would have dropped, if you had one.

So, in all in all, it is more than settled that you are an unfair and biased person, which is what I wanted to show everyone here. And the opinion of a biased person is always imbalanced, Unjust and Untrue and Unacceptable!

IMAliyu:
See definition of creationism in the screenshot.

Your screen shot is still departing from the question.

We are not talking about what anyone believes in, WE ARE STARTING AT THE BEGINNING, WHICH IS INQUEST TO "how this world began, as far as is possible to see and validly prove."

Worckch sneakily and invalidly introduced evolution, and I kicked it out

I have presented Nature's Law of Existence and creation AND NO ONE COUNTERS.

So these are the defined sides of inquest. And any thing which does not validly answer the question "how this world began" is not relevant.

That is what is going on!

IMAliyu:
If you are sure you know with great certainty, you should have no difficulty presenting what evidence you have and allowing it to be scrutinized.

I have already presented my evidence up here. AND YOU SAW IT AND NONE OF YOU COULD REBUT, SINCE MORNING TILL NOW, SINCE 4 YEARS AGO!

So you can not pretend "lack of knowledge" for it is clearly expressed up there. Therefore, it is because you have no valid rebuttal, you are now trying to feign "lack of knowledge".

IMAliyu:
You seem frustrated.
Go drink tea, and relax.

And creationism is not science.

How you people always set your own question (CHANGE OF POST) when you can not answer the Question set in front of you is always hilarious.

The question is not "creationism" but how this world began, as far as is possible to see. Very clear question.

But you people just must Change the question.

IMAliyu:
And scientist have no obligation to entertain unprovable claims.Take it or leave it.

hahahahaha
The Scientians are Running Away and Making Excuses SINCE THEY CAN NOT ANSWER! hahahaha hooo

SEE HOW THEY RUN, STUPID BIG FAT LIARS!

AntiChristian:
How is it a curse?

Did your God say it is a curse or you made it a curse?

Same God that made you curse and abuse right?

That is why you are fool since there are too many things you are supposed to know but do not know.

WatchYourSix:
Why do you people respond to this guy.??
You can easily see his motives .he is deliberately reading out of context to distort information....

If no one counters him simple things who do not know him might come and think that what he said must be True, especially as the subject is not within the normal known issues.

Dliquidmetal:
you don't project yourself on others thinking we are all idiots like yourself alright? But I'm sure you don't have the balls to be this stupid in real life,I'd just take all your ramblings as that of an homeless dog........apply reason and cure your deluded mind,religious robot.

hahahaha BITTER LOSER! SEE PAIN AND LAMENTATION!

ALL BECAUSE, NO ROAD!

IMAliyu:
It's simple, creation is unfalsifiable, therefore it has nothing to do with science.

The simple scientific methodology is.
1. Make an observation, or define a question.
2. Create a hypothesis, or make predictions.
3. Test the hypothesis, gather evidence, by way of experiments and/or making observations in the natural world, in a repeatable fashion.
4. Analyze data and draw conclusions.
5. Communicate findings.

Do proponents of creation follow these steps?

You and your myopia again!

Now you confuse the process of the creation of your mannequins, cars and phones with the creation of the things, you did not create eg the land, sea, air, trees, animals, you yourself etc

Even us did not create ourselves, so how then can we possibly "follow those step" when we were not there during the creation period or process?

Please, find something valid to say.

Dliquidmetal:
...You,ironically require prove of something when you supposedly rely on faith.

Can somebori please fill this Vacuum head that "Shifting the burden of Proof" is an invalid argument not to talk of CHANGE OF POST! The contest is not "rely on faith" but it is expected that this Olodo will change his geography question paper into Crk!

The contest is very clear up there. And clearly I have won. You do not have any evidence WHEREAS, MINE IS STANDING THERE WAITING FOR THE PAST 4 YEARS FOR YOU PEOPLE TO VALIDLY TEAR IT DOWN. BUT YOU ARE ALL FAILING!

Your own personal problem is "faith" raise a thread on it, I'll answer you. And like this thread, you would not have any thing valid to say.

So, you just wasted time and energy and anger talking about a different thing!

What a loss and a monumental waste!

PastorMIsBack:
Even though I explained why and who I was responding to, you are still spinning your yarn. You never admit when you're wrong/incorrect. I'm ignoring you from NOW!!

You can respond to any of my comments/posts but you won't get a reply from me and I definitely won't comment on any thread started by you. Have a blessed evening. Over and Out.

Ehn, na so just say you hate criticism and correction.

Funny how you want me to accept "your explanation" whereas you have gone all childish in even refusing to hear mine.

Just say, YOU WISH me not to point out when and where and how you are wrong or could be wrong, which of course, you know such a wish will not be granted!

Rice which has stones is not a good meal for consumption!

Dliquidmetal:
this guy could pass for the dumbest theist on this platform.
You ironically require prove for Darwin's theory of evolution and natural selection but you are the same person who have faith in fictitious deities without any evidence...... you've got shit for brains
By the way,Darwin's discovery could be observed everywhere around you in nature,even in your own body

You ought to know that you are one of the most stewpidest God hater in this forum.

For I have presented my case, this same case, for He Whom we call God, up here, for the past 4 years and not one of you could get past it and yet you say He is fictitious?

Now you stoopidly rushed to make a case for "Darwin's theory of evolution and natural selection" when no one asked you ORIGINAL CHANGE OF POST!

SO YOU SEE, YOU ARE THE VACUUM HEAD ANTI-GOD OF THE DAY SUCH THAT YOU COULD NOT EVEN ANSWER THE QUESTION PUT BEFORE YOU, BUT YOU FLEW OFF TO GO SETTING YOUR OWN QUESTION AND ANSWERING IT.

I am sure you are one of those kazeems people should run from.

Customer: 'Oga mercury, the car does not start!"

Dliquidmetal man: "ehen! Na the tyre. Make we pump am!"

What a spectacular slowpoke are you!

KnownUnknown:
Ah, the “Darwinian lie”. Meanwhile, they drop dead from malaria...

Same as you guys are dropping dead from the nightly murders from your wives and sex partners!

PastorMIsBack:
I was responding to someone who said, "Mary and Martha followed behind rather than being chosen as Apostles". I simply said Junia was female and an apostle.

I may be imagining things but I often feel attacked by you. Can we ignore each other from now on hence? It really isn't difficult. God bless.

You ought not to feel attacked here for you know this is a place where people are coming to get the Truth, therefore, there would calls for observations, objections and queries that the Truth obtained may become Pure as much as is possible.

PastorMIsBack:
Junia, in the Bible is female and an apostle.

Being a believer among the congregation of believers, is not the same as one appointed to preach! Re Romans 16.

TruthinAction:
Women are free to be Pastor. If there were prophetesses both in the Old and New Testament, they can also be Pastors.

After all, the first person that Jesus said should announce his resurrection was a woman.

Only one Prophetess was appointed directly by God exactly as He Appointed His Prophets, after that, No other appointments has been made.

And secondly Revelation 2:20 answers every one, if they will hear.