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budaatum:
You judge what Eve did as an offence for which she will get a punishment.

Correction!

I did not judge, I am simply observing the Court proceedings against her.

mariovito:
How would you say making a car stop moving is a bad thing?

Now you see the first lesson that you ought to know.

If your car brakes hold (stop) your tyres when you need to escape bandits, that definitely will be bad.

If your brakes hold when you need to rush your bleeding baby to the hospital, it would be bad.

So, now you see, EVIL IS A MATTER OF HARM AND DAMAGE AND DESTRUCTION.

And every thing can either be good or bad exactly as people say "your best friend may be your worst enemy and your worst enemy, your best friend".

So, now you see, a thing is not evil or good because you think it is.

And thank you for saying the truth that the making of good and evil "can not be said to be a bad thing,(evil)"

So, it was definitely very wrong and unjust for you to have called God, evil,
simply because He made and put in His creation, a thing that is exactly like "stop and go" aka "good and evil".

budaatum:
How can a God whom we read sent his only begotten son who taught, forgive seventy times seven times, "raises and counts your charges", dt?

Simple! For as you see in that same text, "Forgiveness" follows A Request for Forgiveness.

Secondly, by the limitation of the Number, it shows that forgiveness has an expiration date.

And thirdly, Forgiveness is at the full discretion of The Judge. Exodus 3:19

mariovito:
When i said that the car maker being able to make a car stop and God's quality of doing good and evil are miles apart, I felt the reason was too obvious to warrant an explanation. But since you asked for it, here it goes;

Let's clear your dirt!

Is it
A) a car maker who makes a car stop or

B) rather, he provided for how a moving car, can be stopped?

I wonder how you would answer! I sure hope your thinking works properly.

Because everyone knows that the correct Answer is B.

Therefore, if then the car maker made move (good) and stop (evil) and you say he "can not be said to be a bad thing,(evil), how then is God, The Creator not given the same judgement, when He is even the first to this "move" (Good) and stop (evil)?

In social studies it is said that the family is the smallest unit of the society but is this True?

No it is not;

The smallest unit is the Individual Person.

Every society starts with a grown up person or persons who have joined together to inter-act and co-operate together for their individual and collective good living.

By virtue of their inter-actions and operations, they become familiar with each other hence they are "Familees"

Hence it is the individual person who is the smallest unit in every society.

So how would your charges read if and when the Mighty Prosecutor raises and counts your charges?

So, now, one can see that all this was planned and that this thing called "formal education" was a fraud and deceit.

constancefriday:
Article: [b]Why some Christians turn away from following God to follow Satan willingly.

Answer: They were Satan's children who were thinking whether it would have been better and profitable to them to port over and japa to God's side, like Nigerians thinking whether Ethiopia was better.

But when they see that God's Visa Application "too much and E wahala plenty for them, then they therefore return to their Papa Satan and say "ehen papa wetin you bin talk say make I be do?"

Sons of Satan!

mariovito:
You have proof of this?
I don't think there's ever been peace on earth, like there's never been a period without some major violence going on.

If you read the stories of the origin of communities, long before the communities joined together and became what we now call nations and countries, you would always see this word "and they lived together in peace and harmony until..." recurring.

mariovito:
I got carried away, will return to it shortly.

No wahala. I just wanted see if you could raise up a valid case, which I now know that no one has any. But, nevertheless, I am not afraid to find out.

Ken4Christ:
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: FOR YE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW, BUT UNDER GRACE .

And if you had grown up, you would have known that Grace is too, is A Law and The Law!

mariovito:
Question: has there ever been a time when there was peace on earth?

Yep! Before the 1000s.

And you have run away from our other discussion.

Onyiiobi7735:
Perfect peace only comes from Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace,and the world can only get such peace,by looking up unto Him....

Not by looking unto Him but by becoming Him!

And the children of Satan will continue doing so until this world terminates.

Ken4Christ:
Romans 10:4 For Christ is the END OF THE LAW for righteousness to every one that believeth

Argue with the scripture. I didn't write it.

It's not hard at all, road wey correct, go carry you go where you bin wan go.

ignis:
Where is Satan now?

As simple as the above question may sound, I have been confused searching for the answer in the holy Bible.

Please I need elders and Bible scholars in the house to come to my rescue with answer and possible scripture to back up the answer.

Is satan in heaven, earth or hell?

Did you not hear that he roars to and fro the earth seeking whom to devour?

Ayietim:
Why are we here...

Simple: because your maker will it so. Exactly as Mr Toyoda willed the Corrolla into existence.

Beware of all people! All of una be children of Satan.

And maybe especially the Prophecy Generation but na small dem take pass una for evilness!

topshore:
Contrarily, Natural Reasoning is the innate human faculty of reasoning; human reasoning or its conclusions, as distinguished from divine revelation...

Ten (10) Scriptures That Talked About Faith vs Natural Reasoning

1. Psalm 118:8
"It is better to take refuge in the Lord
than to trust in humans".
2. Proverbs 3:5-6
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight".
3. Isaiah 11:3
"And he will delight in the fear of the Lord.
He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes,
or decide by what he hears with his ears";
4. Isaiah 55:8-9
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord. As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts".
5. Jeremiah 17:5
This is what the Lord says:
“Cursed is the one who trusts in man,
who draws strength from mere flesh
and whose heart turns away from the Lord".
6. John 20:29
Then Jesus told him,
“Because you have seen me, you have believed;
blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
7. 1 Corinthians 1:21
"For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him,
God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe".
8. 1 Corinthians 2:5
"So that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power".
9. 1 Corinthians 2:14
"The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God
but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit".
10. 1 Corinthians 5:7
"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here"!

YOU ARE WRONG!
None of these are contrary to Natural Reason for it is by natural reasoning one can even appreciate these scriptures.

The problem is you people have not yet figured out what is faith!

And unfortunately, I am not supposed to tell you, for if you Truly Love God, you would have figured it out!

Ken4Christ:
You should thank me for enlightening you on this subject. But if after this, you still follow that old Law of Moses that was weak and unprofitable, don't blame the devil for the consequences. You might just die before your time because the Law of Moses doesn't show mercy.

Son, the proof of the soup is the eating. And i started practicing This Way since secondary school when I saw that I was like David in the Bible.

And I have lived to see and experience the great goodnesses of The Lord as Written.

I have prospered exactly as David said and I have seen and obtained every wonderful thing David said was there is to obtain from The Lord.

No evil comes near me at all, Exactly as Written but surrounded with goodnesses and favours and blessings as Written.

Now, I have everything I ever wanted even in these days of Troubulations and great suffering, I am blessed and prosperous. I don't care if fuel reaches N1000 per litre, I will still be here prospering and eating what I like, Exactly as it is Written.

So, son, I am very very fine and Full Filled!

Whilst, it is you who is young and under your parents protection and is about entering into all the evils that are waiting for you.

Therefore, it is you who requires help but, you are rejecting it, as is your right.

However, by the time you are 30, if The Lord has not yet come, let us see if you would not have turned or almost turned into a God hater because of suffering and hardship (Curse) by then.

You obviously think you are the first to walk on that way ,you are not! Where do you think the bulk of those who call themselves atheist come from?
All who have walked that way crashed and burned.

So, you can keep on your way, however when you crash and burn, The Holy Spirit will bring to your remembrance that "I TOLD YOU SO"!

Ken4Christ:
Give evidence of scripture and stop making assertions without backup from the Bible.

I have just given you scriptures just now, up above plus the others, yet...

mariovito:
I don't think your analogy of the car maker and how he makes it move and stop is synonymous with God being the doer of good and evil. They're miles apart and parallel.

Assuming without conceding that your analogy is true and correct, why do Christians still hold Satan responsible for evil when god has already said he's the doer of all evils?..

And this is why you people do not see clearly. You are looking at 2 different Issues at the same time, like attempting solving simultaneous equation without understanding them and how to properly resolve them.

Like simultaneous equation, each issue is resolved separately first.

First, you say that my car maker and the creative abilities of man is far apart and different from God's own act, YET YOU DID NOT LAY HOW IT IS DIFFERENT!

Then, you join a second issue of Satan's evil responsibility and liability to it.

These are 2 independent issue and they can not be taken together.

Therefore, put to rest the first issue, of the Rights and Power and evilness or otherwise of Creators in view of Creator God as mini-creator man. Let us see if your objection has any valid substance.

mariovito:
Isaiah 45:7
I am the LORD, and there is no other. I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

If your god is responsible for the above, why do you guys still pray against Satan?

Simple! Ignoring the use of an evil Bible, the creator of a car to made it to move forward does he not create something to make it stop?

Is there up without a down? right without left? In without out?

Did you ever consider these balances and controls out of place and called the creator of the things having these things evil?

No, you never did. You even praised the creator and called him very smart and good.

So how then can you not see that your fellow man creator, is simply replicating what his own Creator had done in and on His own creations which is this world and everything in it?

I'll be back to the rest of your post!

jesusjnr2020:
Why are you arguing with the assumptions of your head?

Sought yourself out because It wasn't me that put that idea there. If you also have issue with women speaking in the church then your is with with Jesus who sent them to speak the first message in the church after His resurrection, not me.

Therefore, the Samaritan woman, the woman was fit to preach in the tabernacle because He sent her the first message! Even in the face of Revelation 2:20

Ken4Christ:
I am years ahead of you in spiritual knowledge...

See yourself! John 5:31 and Proverbs 27:2 what you say Christ abolished, yet Christ Stood on it and Repeated it.

I know until you have the last word, there would be no end.

frank317:
listen to yourself
how does this answer the question? Ur brother in Christ is the one probing Lordreed and asked him ..

Do you not see how insane you are? You clearly asked this question

frank317:
So what accurate knowledge has your God provided about the universe that we can all rely on?

Which I responded to now you are calling reed and shortgun. Something is definitely amiss with you.

luwiizy:
Hell-p fire awaits you.

He is looking for Death as the scripture foretold, but the mountains will not fall on him

mariovito:
He should step out of the shroud of secrecy and show himself.

Imagine. Your mannequin in your warehouse is commanding you to show yourself. And then you would answer it.

Oya, lie!

Even to your fellow co-creations, slightly higher in age than you, you are respectful, is it now He greater than you, you would disrespect?

Your co creation will kill you immediately if and when you disrespect them, but because He is Silent and too patient, you continue to insult Him?

O Lord let your day of Anger Come soonest

mariovito:
Show me incontrovertible facts and proofs of your gods existence and I wont have to believe in his existing but agree and accept his existence.

Did a mannequin make itself or does a House build itself?

You do not need believe, just your natural eyes.

mariovito:
I can't be forced to follow him because the character has some of the greatest personality flaws ever. Egotistical, ill tempered, deceptive, wicked, evil, psychotic sadist, these are some of the attributes exhibited by the Christian god and I'd rather not associate with such a person.

If truly there's a god hidden somewhere and he has been very unconcerned about the plight of the downtrodden, the poor, humans in war torn areas, I have no business with him and he should be the one actually seeking my forgiveness.

Even before now, did God talk or push you that you can say He forced you?

Is it not rather that He has stayed in His Own Place yet, it is you who have left your place to start insulting and abusing Him?

You called Him "ill tempered" yet, He has not yet visited you to pour His Temper on you. Is an ill tempered person ever patient and long suffering?

You call Him despicable things when all He had ever done was Good Things with the best being Warning you that 'you are in a bad place get out from there" but you did not listen but said you would manage it like that.

He Warned that it would get worse but you said you don't care.

But now that it is worse as He had Warned, now you insult Him.

I therefore Curse you, in His Name and by His Authority that Goodness shall never enter your hands, your suffering shall increase from day to day, and you would know no joy only pain, until the day of His Anger.

mariovito:
Where in the galaxy is this hell located?

Now you think you have asked a reasonable question. Even right here on earth, people have confirmed the experience of hell, is it now the hell, A Creator keeps for His creations which have displeased Him?

Hismasterpiece:
Please don't just follow the crowd. Seek to know the truth for yourselves.

God Bless you!!!

We can all see that you attracted to these people and have fallen finally for "I hate Godism". And you are very doing well in their area of expertise, which is the art of lying to yourself.

You are like a man who is in the bed of a brothel telling the prostitute you pick up "please don't Bleep me" while you are being stroked.

FatherOfJesus:
In the beginning was nonsense, the nonsense was with God and the nonsense was God.
.

Exactly what those filled with rubbish and misery and no sense must say.

The scorners are speaking again God must be Moving Closer Again!