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GravityDefier:
IF he does, will he be forgiven?
Who then will command the torturing in hell fire?

Where did you read in the Bible that sat is the one who torturs in hell? Did you not see that he too is thrown in there as his punishment?

Image123:
Forgiveness is not a right, but a privilege.

Tell them oooooooooooo.

Character don finish

Reverseng:
Forgiveness is not justice. You'll pay for your sins and you cannot escape it.

None of you will ever forgive a person that cancels your name in your exam script, replaces it with theirs, and gets the mark meant for you.

Forgiveness is not justice. This was what was meant by "battle violence with violence"

If you keep turning the other cheek anytime you're hurt, your death would be suicide because you killed yourself due to willful ignorance. If angels were turning the other cheek anytime demons attack them, you think these angels won't have been extinct by now

I've written about this concept here on nairaland
https://www.nairaland.com/8671540/justice-not-forgiveness-dont-turn

They know that they are like sat... so they would not like to believe that they cannot be forgiven

Choi! When God remembers a person

jaxxy:
He was looking for olosho and was going on dates? Olosho doeant need dates, if he wants olosho he knows where to find them and he can say how much he wants to pay.

Going on dates is only for people trying to build friendships or relationships not 1 nite stands or spending the night with u after a date. Mumu boy

But the problem is that o.s also need/want the free food that comes from dates, so he cannot if the girl is an os.

spiceadole:
Then start shaming women with their body counts.
Imagine a woman has to sleep with every man she had a date with.. Damn!

Women have even slept with men they didn't even know the guys name.

Samantha125:
How would you know that she needs oil change when you wouldn't even know her that well?

She came out for oil change if not she would have gone to the salon.

spiceadole:
This is one of the reasons I always picked my bills whenever I went out with my then boyfriend, now husband.

When I wasn't buoyant enough for such outings,I declined and stayed away...and he never pushed because intention was clear from the start.

Imagine being insulted and embarrassed over food and entertainment that I could afford or avoid simply because a man paid.

Women are really going through a lot.

If i believe you Tibunu would off tomorrow.

deebrain:
In other words, if it's a prostitute you want to take out on a date, do your due diligence and go for quality. There are many available in Allen.

Stop the idea of taking someone's daughter on a date with intention of converting her into a prostitute for goodness sake.

Not every flexing must end up in bed.

You are talking about someone who is in the business of sex 4 food, cash, phone, 1m wig, 2m clothes etc, and you say he should not have it in mind?

Cum4me:
That guy fit done dey knack that girl watin no good. You play a very wrong role to carry her to a bar. Understand most of these girls are hungry with fish 🐠 brain 🧠. Is your house too far that you can't take her home to wait until you return. Abi Na your parents house you dey live. She go later see you as simp

Even if he carry am go house na im brother or neighbour or landlord she go go knack!

Not when you have abused and exhausted His grace, if not ask Esau, Saul, Solomon, the Israelites over the golden calf affair etc

Georgesok9:
Does God Permit Polygamy...

Jayhome24:
Pls God never said so it's one of the apostle that said so and I don't think it is wrong being polygamous because nowhere in the Bible that outrightly condemned it but the reality is polygamous is a death trap if you think you want to kpai untimely from women domestic dramas, fighting, gossiping, evil deed etc then go ahead with it. Good luck..

Even in what you people call the old testament it is condemned

Veecruz:
Deuteronomy 17:17, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.
Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away::

And every argument you wish to make was argued in this thread and lo they did not stand. And the mere fact that you even admit that polygamy causes death also proves why God can never support it for He is in big on Life and things that give Life and not death

https://www.nairaland.com/8032594/deuteronomy-17-17-shows-god#128966884

https://www.nairaland.com/8040571/westerhof-finally-confesses-adultery-polygamy

paxonel:
that scripture do not actually mean flame of torment. It was a parable that draw analogy between the religion of the Jews and that of the gentiles.
Lazarus was a jew!
The jews according to their Judaism religion believed that when they die they will go to Abraham bossom where they will be comforted. So Lazarus was comforted with Abraham's riches after dying as a poor man, that's is what the Jews believe.
At the other hand, the rich man who was a gentile did not have Abraham to comfort him after he died, hence he was tormented perhaps in poverty and the table turned against him according to the law.
The poverty was so severe that he could not afford water to drink, so he begged Abraham and Lazarus for water.
Remember, at the other side Lazarus was the one begging for food.

But how was the word FLAME included in the torment which does not have any bearing to what Jesus was describing in the story, is a mystery itself.

Remember, the overall message of the parable is EVERYONE ARE SINNERS, BOTH THE JEWS AND THE GENTILES ALIKE, AND EVERYONE ARE JUDGED ACCORDING TO THE LAW.
a position the Pharisees refused to accept but see themselves that they are more righteous than the gentiles. Luke 16:14

Or does the mysterious includer of the word FLAME in the parable suggest that the rich man was burnt because he was a a rich man?
How then is it a sin to be a rich man?

Think over it

Bros, torment, suffering and comfort is torment, suffering and comfort all over the world and we all know how they are all like. So it does not matter what things causes them whether it is stone or pillow.

And you want to ignore that the basic place and point of lake of fire is that it is the place where God fulfils His Word and Law. For remember, God Said that the deeds of men must be repaid. Good for good and evil for evil.

And we can see that the new world of heaven and earth is a place that is only Good, for the good. So where is the place of evil for the evil, to fulfill God's Law?
That is clearly what the lake of fire fulfills which is why you see that both of them that is new world for the good and lake of fire for the ivu only starts AFTER Judgment Day

BizLeader:
Haaaaaa!!

30 days is too long to pay a person's sustenance.

Only hustlers/traders think like this ooo

Ah! Who is not a hustler? How can a person who is looking for money sustain himself for 30days if no one gives him money? It is exactly like when employers ask for experience when no one is even giving anyone a chance to have experience

Eeyah! It is not good to be poor. She clearly needs some money.

Make we talk true 30 days is too long to pay a person's sustenance. This is where the borrowing begins and borrowing means more poorverty. Many people no go miss helu

Reasonability and moderation is the Christian way and so anyone not acting reasonably is not a Christian. Lo, Christ even said that if you must pray, enter a closet. Prayer in Christianity is not supposed to disturb people. But since most people are pagans, they are accustomed to their pagan noisemaking.

Also, if she quarrels you because you corrected her, then it is proof that she is not a Christian.

SecretofDNA:
You've totally dodged the point of the post and now you want me to join you?

Beautiful response

He even went Off Point asking that question since he did not have any reasonable thing to say to your point

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paxonel:
Exactly!
Your analogy here does not follow.

It does not follow because, everything cast in fire burns, we can observe this physically by burning any object, unlike the lake of fire mentioned in revelation which is a spiritual death or the second death.

What that means in the real sense is, those who were cast into the lake of fire after the judgement will never resurrect back to life.
That is, they are dead for good.

But those whose names were found in the book of life will resurrect after the judgement.

Resurrection is the ultimate purpose of Christianity.

Adam and Eve sinned there was death.
Therefore there was need to restore life back, by way of resurrection.

If you understand it from this point of view there is no picture of fire burning people

You have mixed it up. First, the Bible shows that those cast in flames are tormented and physically it is our experience that when we suffer a burn we are tormented day and night. Therefore, it follows.

Secondly, Revelation 20:12 upwards shows that the prison and sentencing to the ake of fire only commences after everyone both dead like Adam have been judged and convicted.

Thus, the resurrection takes place before judgment and it is after judgement that the death God has in store will commence.

And therefore, it is the resurrection unto life, that Christians are playing for as Daniel 12:2/john 5:29 shows.

And what is resurrection unto life!? It means those who are judged and are found "without ought against them" Revelation 2/Phillipians 2:15.

So, no one dies and passes Judgement Day. No. Every one who is dead before judgment day will still wake up before judgment day to go to God's Court for Judgement.

paxonel:
Scriptures says whoever sinneth must die.

Adam and Eve sinned from the beginning and they died.
It was not fire burning them.

The judgement is death,
The judgement is not hell fire burning people.

Infact, the word hell means grave.
Which implies death.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (Figuratively spoken)

The lake of fire or what people call hell fire is nothing but death.
Don't misinterpret it to some kind of fire burning people.

Thank God you confess that second death is still death. And from Revelations we can see that both those who died like Adam still resurrected to be judged whether they shall die the death in "second death".

And throughout the Bible we all see that everything cast in fire, burns. So lake of fire is definitely a place that burns people

Marksah5:
Is the Unbeliever Not Being Judged Twice - First in Burning Hell and Then Second at the Lake of Fire?

No.
It’s not two judgments.
The unbeliever is condemned already, held in a place of torment now, and then brought up for one final judgment at the Great White Throne and cast into the lake of fire—the second death.
The Bible says, “He that believeth not is condemned already” (John 3:18).
After death there is a holding place of torment—“in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments” (Luke 16:23–24)—and Scripture speaks of “spirits in prison” (1 Peter 3:19).
But the formal judgment is future: “It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment” (Hebrews 9:27).

Continue here:
https://truebibleteachingsai.org/answers/is-the-unbeliever-not-being-judged-twice-first-in-burning-hell-and-the-e302964

You are putting it wrongly.
"Is condemned already" is just a mere pronouncement of a person stating the obvious fact that every reasonable person aware of. Which is that after looking at all of man's ways and the thongs we have done which we even still do, even us too know that we are guilty and must be condemned.

And so, this statement is just a declaration and a prediction that since God iis fait and just, then He must judge us guilty Which God will do when He convenes His Court on Judgement Day.

So, hel is just prison custody and not the main prison itself. The main prison is called lake of fire

skliz:
Well I am not. I did not see a clear evidence that she was cheating. I only saw clear evidence of not setting boundaries. From my observation I also see lack of respect.

Now you are looking for a confession or your catching her in the act. Your moving post to this already proves you know that she is cheating

HenryStarlife:
Love is real to some, love is weird to some, love is painful to some.
Please don’t generalize.

We always notice the predominant and general factor, so we always speak generally. If you have love then thank God or whoever you want to thank. But if you are hoping on love, just be aware that it is you who is hoping on it and not that it is easily and readily available

eddytech001:
I never generalized, i just want to know other people’s opinions and thoughts about it .
Cause seems with my experience ,I think 70 percent women don’t actually love thier partner 🤔

It is even 99% Women don't love. Do you not hear them always say "love kwa? Or love gbo gi dia!

It is only in secondary school that they first loved but as soon as their virginity is gone, love in them is bye bye.

And yes, you are right. Men love and always want to love even though women prove that they should not be loved and that they don't need love.

skliz:
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I give her 100 percent loyalty even though I have the money to cheat. So I am also very accountable when she views my phone.

So I expect that same level of respect.

The fact that you don't want to cheat does not mean that your wife won't ride another di..... it doesn't work that way

NotOfThisWorld:
This is already cheating. An emotional affair (which is a form of cheating) is already taking place if she's communicating with the man and he's sending her such a voice note. It's only a matter of time before it becomes physical.

Why are you bending the truth? She already is cheating and maybe this guy is just a new guy trying to collect his own

LilMissFavvy:
Your wife seems to have lots of male admirers despite being married. She may not be cheating on you so don't conclude yet. You should stop accusing her, because if she's innocent, such accusations will deeply provide her.

Una don come with una lie and cover up. Anyway you know that he does not want to face the truth so you ate telling him the lie he wishes to hear

skliz:
@LilMissFavvy so I did not accuse her of cheating, seems you did not read well. I asked her to set boundaries. She did not give explanation.

Does she have a lot of admirers, The answer is YES. Even in my compound, 1 or 2 neighbours have asked for her number which I repelled them.

So some hours ago she gave an explanation clarifying that when she went to the market. Her friend who sell jewelleries used her phone to exchange number with a tooster. So the Tooster felt he was talking to her friend.

According to her, he had sent alot of voice messages that she deleted. That message was the last one. So if I put the pieces together, on normal call he called her 2 times.

1st call was 43 secs, Second call was a missed call. Infact if she explained this to me. I would not be worried. Cos I never accused her of anything. I only said you must set boundaries. I also set boundaries with ladies. I do not go telling women I want to sleep with them.

I give her 100 percent loyalty even though I have the money to cheat. So I am also very accountable when she views my phone.

So I expect that same level of respect.

You are obviously afraid of directly accusing her of adultery, even though it is obvious that she is guilty of it

Na she dey feed you?

Even you know that she is bedding other men

RealityKings1:
The idea of good and evil doesn't come from God but a form of Social Order developed over centuries. Social order is how institutions, groups, and cultural values work together to keep a society stable and prevent chaos. It refers to the rules and shared norms that help people live and work together in harmony.

So if a man would still be good if there is no God is majorly dependent on the society he lives in. After all, it's a world where good and evil coexist and God is not bothered.

Your society is a reflection of the kind of predominant behavioral patterns. When a child is born and brought up, it will be almost impossible for him to be a nonconformist to what is observable around him.
He's a blank book and the society starts to write on him unless his thought process breaks free from that chain.

So, there is a society in the world in which stealing, murder, adultery, cheating does not take place?

IyanAtiEgusi:
u suppose plant am for where plenty water dey all year round.
u plant am for dry land dey depend solely on rain siddon dey expect am make e fruit quick

Oh! Hin sef like water too? I go dey pour am plenty water. Thank you

angelboy01:
You have become too nice, it's not about being a born again Christian. [b]Women hate nice guys. [/b]That's the truth.

And this is the Truth. And for born agains, it is worse for first, ch if you have really really repented and then God has entered your life, you would see more and more women, beautiful to very beautiful women would be shinning their teeth and opening their bres and legs for you. And you will see that they would even lay with you for free. They would even spend for you.

And if the wife starts giving you trouble now you know that you are married to de.v

Women and God/goodness do not go together.

So, bros, your problems have just upgraded because you chose to follow God

https://www.nairaland.com/8398946/greatest-temptation-married-woman-marriage#134991718