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miracle002:
Thanks for clarifying him

You are welcome brother.

But brother, please can you help me out on this polygamy issue going on in this thread?

https://www.nairaland.com/8690508/does-god-permit-polygamy-new

I believe that it is a topic people who claim to be Christians have to properly examine for i believe that lies are being spoken about God condoning it whereas, if we truly understand that He hates sin, then it is not possible for Him to condone it.

Supposed Christians believe the lies sold but all of them run away when i point out that polygamy is adultery. How can people who say that they love God not come out and confidently shoot down this lies that have been made against Him?

TenQ:
You are waisting your time because if you do not do the needful by engaging with my questions and stop avoiding points that betray your position, there is NOTHING to discuss with a person who is wrongly interpreting the scriptures!

By the Scriptures, You are THOROUGHLY IRREVOCABLY Wrong

So in other words, you are telling the world that you don't care about the debate being fair, right, just and clean?
And you say that you are a Christian?

Even the Muslim, Antichristian, expanse2020 and atheist obey the law of fair debates but here you are telling me to disregard the fallacy of reversal of burden of proof which placed the burden on you to prove and justify how you "admit and agree that cheating is adultery, but you do not think that a married person who now marries another person (polygamy) is guilty of cheating?

And rather than answer the quer you rather choosing to commit the fallacy of switching the burden of proof. Your doing this already proves that your assertion on polygamy is baseless and indefensible.

And that even antichristian and some atheist are more righteouser than you.

So, you mean you throw away your dignity and honour and righteousness and resort to fallacious antics just to protect your clearly falls belief that polygamy is not a sin?

TenQ:
I didn't call you names.

You are WRONG in capital letters. Humble yourself to learn.

Again, stop wasting your time with this if INDEED you intend to discuss Scriptures.

Go back and do the needful and engage properly.

The letters kill!

I am not calling you names. I am just pointing out that you are doing a Wrong and asking me to join you to do a wrong in refusing to obey the laws of debate while asking me to fall for the offence of the fallacy of reversal of burden of proof.

This is not righteous and Christianly.

The rules of debate state that you must justify the claim you make and i have been asking you to explain how you "admit and agree that cheating is adultery, but you do not think that a married person who now marries another person (polygamy) is guilty of cheating?

So, therefore resolve how this guy below is not guilty of cheating (adultery) because he wants to marry his co-adulterer?

Trustedapparel:
i am a married man [/b]with 2kids but their is one big lady that I met she loves me very much ....[b]since I Bleep that lady I can't get my eyes of her ....I have been thinking about her since after the marathon sex we hard last month... honestly I want to make her my second wife ...

And you have been dodging, if truly you are Christian and righteous you ought to abide by the rules of debate. So answer the question above.

TenQ:
You are wrong and waisting your time.
Go back and do the needful and engage properly.

The letters kill!

You are the one being fraudulent and behaving like pagans do.

The rules of debate and fallacy are very clear on making sure arguments are clean, pure and True. And I have pointed out that your asking me to answer your question whilst you were still trying to defend your doctrine amounts to the fallacy of the reversal of burden of proof.

So, if deed you are a Christian and ybelieve that your doctrine is not a lie, then why are you trying to committing the fallacy of reversal of burd. of Proof instead of you to justify your claim by yourself?

If indeed, you stand for Truth and light, then answer the query that came out of your response and stop dodging and running.

you admit and agree that cheating is adultery, but you do not think that a married person who now marries another person (polygamy) is guilty of cheating?

So, therefore resolve how this guy below is not guilty of cheating (adultery) because he wants to marry his co-adulterer?

Trustedapparel:
i am a married man with 2kids but their is one big lady that I met she loves me very much ....since I Bleep that lady I can't get my eyes of her ....I have been thinking about her since after the marathon sex we hard last month... honestly I want to make her my second wife ...

Oya, say the Truth here and shame the devu if you indeed are a Christian and one who speaks the Truth

capnies:
When did God create hell

HELL IS GRAVE

GNASHING OF TEETH IS LAUGHING AT THE PEOPLE BEING DESTROYED.

READ JOB 16:9

SINNERS WILL CRY WHILE OTHERS GNASH THEIR TEETH AT THEM

In the Hebrew language, gnashing teeth is a sign of aggressive anger, fury, or a brutal attack.

See self deci at its finest. Everyone knows that gnashing is

Ai
Overview +8
In the Bible, "gnashing of teeth" is an idiom describing intense emotional turmoil, usually symbolizing extreme anguish, agonizing regret.

capnies:
The Bible says the dead knows nothing Ecclestiastes

When you die you're not different from a dead chicken.

A living dog is better than dead lipn

You have it wrongly.
This is the same thing as there is no repentance in the grave. Repentance is for the living for when you die, e don cast for who never repent. That is all the Ecclesiastes is saying

DeepSight:
It is you I am asking oh.

It came from the other guy na so it's him who should tell us

They know they just don't want to be reminded that they know

DeepSight:
Who would have written it before, goats?

Ask him oo.

See how all the people going to hel don't want to be reminded of it

Janosky:
True words you said..

Hellfire nah format to instill fear.
Jesus Christ never taught anything about it.

At least He Said it and Warned people to be aware of it. So, if you like keep trying to stop yourself from being afraid of it. The fear will only grow worse whenever death is close to you

Kemetian:
Where is your evidence that 'Jesus' existed?

Are you aware the New Testament was written by ANONYMOUS writers?

Is the evidence not seen and known?

At least you admit that people wrote it so Off Point

Is it not already clear? So when DHL delivers message to you and ignores your neighbour they are racist?

O Lord how long...?

K

TenQ:
I will do exactly like you here: choose only what I want to respond to

Even you admit here that you overlooked issues in this conversation. Those overlooked issues you refused to deal with has caused you this problem.


Please dont complain because the Above is what you get when you cherry pick what to engage with

Again, go AND
Quote me properly in full and then engage with my questions just like I answered your own Question. Otherwise, there is zero point of continuing the conversation.

I have no problem when issues are narrowed and pinned down. And see you are confirming what I said that knowing you are wrong and that you cannot validly defend your doctrine is why you are use all this antics of making issues outside the main argument to dodge and avoid answering the questions that came out of your statement. This is fraudulent and it shows that you are not a Christian and that you do not support Truth and light for i already told you that the Fallacy of reversal of burden of proof is what stops me from answering your questions.

AI Overview +4
The fallacy of reversal of burden of proof (also known as shifting the burden) occurs when the person making a claim avoids providing evidence and instead demands their opponent disprove it.

Description: Making a claim that needs justification, then demanding that the opponent justifies the opposite of the claim

So, it is wrong for you to demand that i skip the process and and answer your questions.

SA Christian does the right thing and so if you say you are Christian then do the right by attending to the questions i have asked you to explain how

you admit and agree that cheating is adultery, but you do not think that a married person who now marries another person (polygamy) is guilty of cheating?

So, therefore resolve how this guy below is not guilty of cheating (adultery) because he wants to marry his co-adulterer?

Trustedapparel:
i am a married man with 2kids but their is one big lady that I met she loves me very much ....since I Bleep that lady I can't get my eyes of her ....I have been thinking about her since after the marathon sex we hard last month... honestly I want to make her my second wife ...

TenQ:
Sorry!
Quote me properly in full and engage with my questions just like I answered your own Question. Otherwise, there is zero point of continuing the conversation.

Again:
I cannot go on discussing out of context where you
1. Choose only what you want
2. Avoid whatever will betray your position
3. Deliberately choose not to respond to questions because answering them make your position indefensible.

I am sorry, I do not deal in emotionalism with respect to the scriptures: if you cannot defend your position, be humble to learn!

Sorry: those are my terms!

I don't condone escapists in debates!
Your hypocrisy is made glaring for everyone to see.

Now, you press forward with other questions expecting me to answer it WHILE you avoid answering my own questions.

There isn't any reasonable person who cannot see that your response conveys an underlying issue of this same dispute which needs to be first treated before we proceed to all the questions you asked and wish to ask. It is exactly as trying to solve a quadratic equation and yet, it is seen there is a problem with addition and subtraction. So, the addition and subtraction have to be resolved first before we can address the quadratic equation.

Your response reveals that even the basic ground of this issue which I overlooked is in dispute which is you believe and

"you admit and agree that cheating is adultery, but you do not think that a married person who now marries another person (polygamy) is guilty of cheating?

So, therefore you need to explain and resolve how this guy below is not guilty of cheating (adultery) because he wants to marry his co-adulterer?

Trustedapparel:
I am a married man with 2kids but their is one big lady that I met she loves me very much ....since I Bleep that lady I can't get my eyes of her ....I have been thinking about her since after the marathon sex we hard last month... honestly I want to make her my second wife ...

So, please clear this addition/subtraction so that we can move up to the quadratic equation of the rightness/wrongness of polygamy

TenQ:
I am sorry then.

I cannot go on discussing out of context where you
1. Choose only what you want
2. Avoid whatever will betray your position
3. Deliberately choose not to respond to questions because answering them make your position indefensible.

I am sorry, I do not deal in emotionalism with respect to the scriptures: if you cannot defend your position, be humble to learn!

Have a nice day.

2Cor 3:6:
"Who also has made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life."

Tenbro,. This is just plain fraud man. You are just trying to use this non issue of cutting off irrelevant issues to run from argument.

So, it is you who cannot defend your doctrine for by virtue of the separation of irrelevancies from the main issue, i have responded to response that

"you admit and agree that cheating is adultery, but you do not think that a married person who now marries another person (polygamy) is guilty of cheating?

As in do you say that this guy below is not guilty of cheating (adultery) because he wants to marry his co-adulterer?

Trustedapparel:
I am a married man with 2kids but their is one big lady that I met she loves me very much ....since I Bleep that lady I can't get my eyes of her ....I have been thinking about her since after the marathon sex we hard last month... honestly I want to make her my second wife ...

So, you are the one running away because you obviously planned on using the darkness of confusion of to make your argument instead of stepping into the light of clearity and accuracy where Truth can be undisputably seen which is what I am doing in separating non issues and irrelevancies from the main argument.

I have already explained why I am not answering your questions that before all those questions is the foundational questions i have asked you. And rather than answer it, WHICH YOU LOOKED LIKE YOU WERE GOING TO ANSWER IT, you then asked for me to make the question clearer, you rather raised up another foundational issue prompting me to ask you

So, if indeed you are a Christian, step into the light for scrutiny. You are just running away and come not into the light because you don't want your judgements to be made known. It is the ivus who run from the light . That is what you yourself told Muslims when they make antics that show that they are running.

So, you are running away because you know that you are wrong and that your doctrine is a Lie, if not attend to the main argument and stop raising issues that detract and deviate from the main argument

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Josywhyte:
Jacob sinned against God even in his "holy state". He cheated his brother Esau. Abraham also committed sin. The disciples also sinned( Judas Iscariot, Peter, and the likes). So what on earth will you tell me there's a holy person in the world. We all live by the grace and mercy of God. So, my brother, read your bible again. No man in this planet earth is holy. Quote me to any pastor or christian you know.

Jacob sinned then stopped sinning. Abraham sinned and tried to remedy his sin. The disciples started as sinners. Gods Champions Noah, Daniel, Job got God's mark of perfect!

Every reasonable person can see that the Bible is not saying that we don't sin but that people praise and glowry in sin exactly how men praise each other for the amount of girls/women they have knacked and women praise each other for the amount of men and husband's they have deceased through fornication and adultery.

So it is not about the absence of sin but about the shame of sinning and the fleeing from sins and wickedness and evils.

And you still judge your wife guilty of cheating and adultery even if she pleads that she did it because everybody is doing it, telling her that she ought not to do it. Same judgement applies to you, so as Lawyer Paul pointed out "we are without excuse".

TenQ:
I
BUT, through your biased INTERPOLATIONS
Suddenly, you moved from CHEATING on one's spouse (which is clearly ADULTERY) and connecting it with POLYGAMY!

So, lets clear this up, you admit and agree that cheating is adultery, but you do not think that a married person who now marries another person (polygamy) is guilty of cheating?

As in do you say that this guy below is not guilty of cheating (adultery) because he wants to marry his co-adulterer?

Trustedapparel:
I am a married man [/b]with 2kids but their is one big lady that I met she loves me very much ....[b]since I Bleep that lady I can't get my eyes of her ....I have been thinking about her since after the marathon sex we hard last month... honestly I want to make her my second wife ...

https://www.nairaland.com/7265997/marrying-second-wife-good-bad#115412907

TenQ:
I will appreciate that you don't cut off my text again.

Please, forgive me, i cannot obey it for i have explained that it is of necessity that that area of dispute is always made INDISPUTABLY CLEAR For Truth to shine Bright and for irrelevant arguments to be kept away from it so as not to cause distractions and mixing of unnecessary arguments with the main issue of dispute.

And if you are a Christian you would always want Truth to be made clear for Truth loves light but lies and confusion love darkness.. So as a Christian you don't want confusion in this search/verification of Truth. So please support me. So. This has to be cut off as it is not the area of dispute.

Josywhyte:
None of these names you mentioned were holy....

Who said anything about those people being holy? See another change of post you will deny at yet you wonder why your conscience is disturbing you.

Josywhyte:
I have no guilty conscience so far this topic is concerned. You're the one shifting post. Make una stop this una "holier than thou attitude". God says judgment will begin from the church. Na there you go say 90% of your pastors are nothing but criminals in suit and satanic.

Your unreasonable rant and ad hominem shows that your conscience is eating you as you do not have anything reasonable to say for i have pointed out your change of post. So, go and fight yourself just as the pastors would be when Judgment is given to them.

AntiChristian:
The title of the thread is "the father who killed his son"!

How is this a change of post?

It is a change because it moved to "Die for what and for who?"

TenQ:
I don't seem to get your question!
Kindly restate it.

I will answer your question and then you answer mine. Is this fair.

TenQ doesn't avoid questions even by the staunchest Atheist or Muslim.

My question is, from Exodus 23:7, we can see that God will never uphold wickedness. And adultery is wickedness to a spouse.

So, how can a person who does not just cheat on his wife (adultery) but even now goes as far as marrying his co-adulterer, be sinless?

Is such a person sinless?i[/b]

TenQ:
Your Position:
It is a SIN of Adultery for a man to have more than one Wife.

My Position:
It is NOT a sin if a man have more than one wife, However Polygamy is NOT God's ideal plan for Marriage as stated by Jesus.

Your take:
TenQ should first admit that Polygamy is a SIN first, then you can answer his basic Questions.

Is this LOGICAL?

Does the thread not show that you went First and tried proving your case that "polygamy is not a sin' which ended in it showing that it is unfounded and you pleading that your understanding of it "may not be perfect"? Or are you asking for a second chance to reargue it?

TenQ:
The logically of your position doesn't even bother you.

In a debate:
You want your opponent to admit concession (through blackmail) even before you justify your position.

Does this stance make sense to you?

You won't answer my questions because it betrays your lack of cognition of Doctrinal Truths.

You even justify cropping off issues that worry you in other to state your points and you think it is normal

See why i cut off irrelevant points? This response thread is coming out of the side issue you raised of me "cropping out" your response. And that is all i responded to. The post regarding the debate has already been addressed so this angle of conversation is just a distraction and it should be closed. There is no issue here

AntiChristian:
You said God didn't unalive his son but that's false. That was the plan according to the Bible!

Change of Post!

TenQ:
All you are doing is restating your position.

All I have done after stating my position is to ASK you Questions.

Why are you terrified of answering them if your doctrine is correct.

Yes, i am restating my position and it is a question, and thought you could have given me a reason valid answer that would have cleared out the question.

So are you saying that you cannot give a Truthful answer to that simple question which is the foundation of polygamy because of your bias? As a Christian you are bound to give Truthful answers to questions given to you. So, please answer this foundational question and declare the Truth and shame the Liars who made this false doctrine.

By Exodus 23:7, If God will never justify the wicked, then how can you say then that a person who cheated on his wife (adultery) and even goes as far as marrying his co-adulterer, is sinless?

TenQ:
Are you TERRIFIED of the TRUTH!?
Cropping off the parts of my post seems to show that you seem to be afraid of something

I answer point to point aka area of concentration. So that nobody can deny or lie against their words and the point they made vs the response I gave to those points, especially when those points are non issues.

So cutting out the part makes it accurate and easier to settle them away from the main issue of argument as those points raised are usually distractions meant to divert attention from the main subject of argument

TenQ:
I gave you questions because you are not LISTENING to anything other than what you want to hear. Answering questions force you to first listen to yourself then you can be able to listen to others.

Why is it difficult for you to answer simple questions?

I think its because you dont have an answer. Just 3 very simple doctrinal applications Questions!

The thread shows that i already told you that I will not address those questions because other issues must FIRST be settled before them. So., you are putting the cart before the horse

So, by now you can see that i am addressing the horse before your cart of questions, so all these are distractive non issues. Let's go back to the main issue

TenQ:
Sorry Sir.
I admit that I know in part and my understanding may not be perfect BUT until by the weight of Scriptural Evidence and it Application, I do not change my Truth because my GO says I should....

In other words, even though you see yor doctrine is unfounded, you choose to believe it? How are you different from the Muslims you attack?

Did you not read "Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked? Exodus 23:7

If God will never justify the wicked, then how can you say then that a person who cheated on his wife (adultery) and even goes as far as marrying his co-adulterer, is sinless? (Even your law courts recognise this sin and called it the crime of bigamy()

So, if sinners themselves have identified that it is a sin, how do you now imagine that God Who is Holy, would Say that it is not a sin?

TenQ:
This would be nothing other than fraud to admit what I honestly and truly believe in WRONG in order that you may answer my Questions which actually ultimately proves you wrongi]

I put it to you that you chose to be evasive because your Theology fails the test of scrutiny

The thread shows that your belief in the doctrine that polygamy is not wrong is/was being tested and you could not found it as you started dodging and trying to nove post to divorce whereas, it is about polygamy. And when you could no longer dodge, you decide to resort to the fallacy of reversing the burden of proof rather than admit that you are wrong or that your doctrine is unfounded.

So, the fraud and the sin is that you claim to be a Christian but here you are strongly refusing to confess the Truth before your face and admit that you are wrong..

Saying the part in bold just grounds your fraud for 3 times i have said that i would answer your questions but because you are committing the fallacy of reversal of the burden of proof is why I have not answered it. So, do the right thing and be the Christian you claim to be

TenQ:
The only reason you cannot answer my questions is because it fails even your theology. I dont understand how it doesn't dawn on you that you are the evasive one in this thread. Otherwise, you would have not evaded my questions.

If your doctrine is right, it shouldn't be difficult to answer my question!

If Polygamy is a SIN, do you admit that
1. David died in sin
2. Israel (Jacob) died in sin
3. Abraham died in sin (he even had a concubine)
It is a YES or NO answer!

This is the 3rd time that I am saying that I would not answer your question if you do not FIRST admit that you are wrong

So, you cannot say that I cannot answer the question when you yourself have not done your part of admitting that you are wrong.
Can you not just say these 3 simple words of Truth? You know it is sinners. who do not believe in admission of wrong, So, if truly you are Christian you have to make this admission m. So, do you admit that you are wrong?

TenQ:
Just answer my question please: any doctrine that cannot be tested is just an emotional opinion
If Polygamy is a SIN, do you admit that
1. David died in sin
2. Israel (Jacob) died in sin
3. Abraham died in sin (he even had a concubine)
It is a YES or NO answer!

Any doctrine that cannot be tested is a Lie therefore every doctrine is subject to be tested and it was your own that was being tested FIRST, which you yourself prove that you cannot found or sustain it, hence why I am asking for you to honourably admit that you are wrong, and then we can close your case, then the burden of proof would swing to me to answer any questions you have on me saying that polygamy is a sin.

So, do you now admit that you are wrong as not confessing this Truth means that you still believe that you are right, therefore i will keep on asking you to prove your doctrine, which you yourself can see that you cannot prove it. So, do you admit that you are wrong?