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chieveboy:
...On truth being relative, the so-called dry land when zoomed in would be a sea of moving and active atoms which is the same fabric and building block of what ever a human would refer to as liquid. This means, dry land is relative to the vibratory rate of the atoms on land and not universally dry land...

See, your delhu does not let you see Truth if not you would have known that supposed atoms in solid things like dry land do not move. And dry land does in its natural universal and truthful state does not vibrate, so no atom is moving. And dry land cannot be seen as liquid sea, it takes delo to see that

Theawakensoul:
..But here’s where the real question begins…

👉 If people are defining the same word in completely different ways…

Are they actually describing the same reality?..

All these have been covered, profiled and settled hence whoever says the real, fake or rubbish one, we tell it to them straight

LordReed:
Yes my family members like that Christian preacher that was born with no arms or legs. LoLz.

That is one of d cus that hangs on u piipu. Lol

LordReed:
Tell your god to keep one of them alive for 200 years minimum kpere. Bwahahahahaha!

We are ok with what we have and certainly not dying tormentouslly like you pipu, terrifyingly crying and regretting your lives Hahahahahahahaha!

LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! Perfect and long lasting indeed. So perfect you have people born without limbs which your god cannot fix nor can he fix the myriad of health problems people encounter in their life time. He can't even prevent death. Your god is a fraud. LoLz.

Hahahahahahahaha
You are just repeating yourself devhu. I have already told you that those people are your family members, so their afflictions are you peoples pun. ish mens.

LordReed:
LoLz. Which of them will not die, point them out let's see. Bwahahahahaha!

Surely not dying tormentouslly like you pipu Hahahahahahahaha.

correctguy101:
Well said.

Plus who'd want bad and wicked things to be done to them?
Unless the being is no longer human. (In case some oversabi decides to use some crazy psychos as example)

Those ones are no longer humans in my book.

Letting religion decide what's right and wrong for you but later you cry and shout when Islamic terrorist do "what's right and proper" as recommended in their own books?

You people are hardly serious.

That is the funny thing. No one wants bads and wrongs done to them yet they do it to others.

It is moral, that they receive the bads and wrongs that they have done. And that is the purpose of hel

Gabrielshow26:
Your assertion that all believers experience a 'panic session' at death, a reflected transformation of Dtruthspeaker's claim🥱, is a hasty generalization that contradicts established clinical research. Primarily, studies on death anxiety actually show an inverted-U relationship: the highest levels of fear are found in those with uncertain or moderate beliefs, while both the devoutly religious and committed atheists report the highest levels of peace.

This part is a lie. Atheists can never die in peace. I missed the death of one atheists i know and he was stabbed. And his burial was even funnier, dry prayers was said for him and even to put him in the grave, the coffin did not enter. Hours passed as they tried forcing him to enter but it still did not work and i left. Clearly shows you that as in life, even in death there is no rest for him

LordReed:
Even car makers will fix a mistake the user made but your wimp of a god is too dumb to do anything. Car makers even make spare parts for their products but your all powerful god is too dull to figure out how to do that.

See, it spoken like a true devu.

They fix the mistake you made only when you pay for it. They make spare parts because their cars are not perfect and long lasting. But God created us perfect and long lasting, so no spare parts needed as many people here already proven.

So, you are only repeating yourself

LordReed:
Right, the parents who have been Christians all their lives are only praying now. The nonsense you people have to make up to defend your beliefs is astounding.

Because, you define Christian as people who pray and go to church, whereas God knows those who are worshiping Him and He always pours many many blessings on them so they don't need to go through this shi..

correctguy101:
In my experience, it's mostly the other way around.

Most believers won't even look for any opportunity to save themselves when faced with dangerous situations. They only know how to shout "Jesus" at the top of their voices...

I have experienced more than one such situation. And was instrumental in rescuing a girl one time. The only injury she got was on one leg and was minor compared to the other person involved. All these experiences, I came out without injury. I'm not saying I'm anything special to have come out without scratch but I've had the habit of going into sharp mode when I sense danger. Even with increased heartbeat, I'll still be calm.

Even when I did operation back in the days, lols. I shared a ward with one man. When he did his own operation, he was just shouting Jesus Christ when he came to. Although, the nurse said I was calling for my mum, I'm still embarrassed. But I was calmer. So I was told.

Well, I can't use my self to compare other unbelievers as I don't know their own mind on matters like facing death or experiencing death threatening situations.

So on the bolded, I'll say the believers fear death more as most unbelievers have come to terms with it, most of us wouldn't mind it all even if that fear exists as is common with all living entities.

That is not a believer just a person who believes that shouting The Name shall save them. And their panic shouting tells you that they are not believers, for there is grace God gives to His own. That is why you saw Stephen and the disciples, David, Abraham, Moses etc face certain death with joy and peace.

That is why you heard Paul say that he prefers to die than to live.

Death is a very good thing to a believer, so they are always happy to enter it

correctguy101:
The bolded.

Just because you watched someone die. You now claim you know first hand about dying and death?

How?

I have been studying for a long while watching what happens and how it plays out, and then like a final class God put me in the situation where I could see everything direct, second by second from (as Catholics would say) from the calm travails to when the restless of death walk. And the craz thing was that as soon as they told me that he has been taken to the hospital, i immediately knew that this was it. And as soon as saw him, i saw that he was going, even before the travails started.

correctguy101:
Gods...

You mean all believers are without ailments? And none has ever been taken down with stroke?

The major difference is in the way they are dying. I believe also that the mode of death too will be different but I have not verified this fact.

But what i have verified is the fact that everyone who is not a child of God, goes into a great, ugly panic session full of terrors and expressing great resistance and complete refusal/unwillingness to die.

correctguy101:
Lols...

How ?

How what?

His cup got full

orisa37:
GOOD IS RIGHTEOUSNESS. GOOD IS WISDOM AND IS GOD.
EVIL IS SELFISHNESS. EVIL IS FOOLISHNESS AND IS SATANIC.
GOD IS YOUR GUIDANCE ANGEL YOUR CREATOR AND JESUS CHRIST THE RIGHTEOUS IS THE PROPITIATION FOR YOUR SINS AND THE DECIDER OF YOUR END IN LIFE OR DAMNATION.

🤜🏾

LordReed:
Car makers can make cars without any safety features yet they continually strive to make cars safer. Why is your god such a wimp he cannot do the same?

Car makers know their cars are not perfect. God made His perfect only for the idio car to go and put palm oil in its petrol tank and then it got sick from diseases and dies. Why would God move an inch.

Even your car makers warn you that their warranties do not cover self inflicted shii..., so you guys have to ☠️.

LordReed:
A child born with cancer, other life ending conditions or conditions that guarantee suffering for their life time did what to deserve that? All the parents of such children who continually pray to your god and never get any answer don't deserve one even though they don't wilfully disobey his commands? What of all the children who die of hunger every year they don't deserve pity from your god? Why do you people believe such sick things?

You are talking about parents who are praying to Him only because your doctors and their jujus did not work, you expect God to answer? Or people who have already said that they shall never have anything to do with Him since their govts and parents are taking care of them. Hunger, house rent, cancer should wiper all of una off

DeepSight:
It may not make sense to you, but for someone such as myself who even considers that my every waking moment in life may possibly be a dream within a dream within a dream, there is still a window I leave open to question even my very experiences. .

The funny things that come out from you atheists mouths in your heart of delus.

So you are saying that your real you is somewhere else still sleeping and dreaming and dreaming (not living but sleeping) while you here living the the dream living that is giving you real gbosas.

Clearly you are hallucinin

chieveboy:
Read slowly what I wrote in the particular paragraph. Ensure you understand first...

I read it and you said in addition to the issue i disagree with that "And as you rightly conclude, they would not be making any effort at verifying this because their certainty is already a barrier to the truth".

Whereas, every child seeks verification of all that he has been told.exactly how they taught us square roots and till today i cannot see it used naturally (this makes badom go lunyc). Same way i still contest that mathematics question, if one egg boils in 5 mins vs 2 or 3eggs answer.

https://www.nairaland.com/6547175/see-how-young-deception-began/2#106567457

Gabrielshow26:
🥱Save your antics. They won't help you for your illogicality is well established. I won't indulge you again on this matter for you have nothing tangible to say.

See, you cannot counter after using and throwing every trick there is. 😁🤣🤣🤣

Told, you there is no valid argument against the Truth no matter how hard you try and lie. 😁🤣🤣🤣

If you like don't repent, you already know what must happen to you. Bye bye.😁🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Neoteny:
Claiming that religion preceded philosophy is your undoing..

Religion does precede the formal and academic philosophy that you are referring to.

It is said Socrates is the father of philosophy (western) while Confucius is the father of Eastern philosophy and before both of these people, religion that is paganism aka idolatry was already on ground in full force long before they were born. So you see, religion precedes your philosophy

Neoteny:
Which of the gods, though?

The many gods of Civilisations before Abraham? The pantheons of ancient Rome and Greece? The hindu gods? Or Baal?

The problem is, you're taking the bible at its word as the ground truth, a book that suggests the universe came into existence just 4,000 years ago when we've cave paintings more than ten thousand years old, and evidence of ancient civilisations more than 6,000 years ago, complete with their justice and moral and philosophical systems to guide their societies. Thankfully we've science to further erode the ignorance that bred many of these mostly superstitious belief systems.

The bible was written a couple of thousand years ago by unknown men, none of whom witnessed what they wrote about, focused on events around their immediate environment, with hardly any contemporaneous proof.

Outside the bibles no one can prove anything the gospels claim. But it's scientifically proven the universe is billions of years old.

I'd much sooner believe Homer's Odyssey than anything in the Old or New Testaments as fact.

There's nothing in this world that cannot exist or function without some cosmic maker with super powers.

Why are you moving post? Did you not know the God you were talking about when you first spoke? Please, find something reasonable to say or rest.

chieveboy:
Example: A person lied to from childhood that their biological father was Dangote having lived and was spoon-fed by Dangote would be certain that their biological father was Dangote. And as you rightly conclude, they would not be making any effort at verifying this because their certainty is already a bartgrier to the truth they would likely not want to be told....

Which child did not verify if their father is Dangote? Did the child not ask for pictures? And will not ask if you would take him to his house? And would he not ask if Dangote would come visiting so that he can verify?

God makes sure that every human verifies everything that is why we are always liable for the decisions and choices we make.

Expanse2020:
Hype yourself
Make yourself happy
🤣🤣🤣🤣

After you see the truth that God cannot die , your God a lesser one is a weak one

See am, you are now repeating yourself as you see you do not have any reasonable thing to say again as you don see say you be somebody wey dey do all the work wey hin god suppose do but hin no dey exist! 😁🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

SIRTee15:
Pls don't derail this thread with your shallow knowledge. People even corrected u in those thread but your obstinacy no gree u see road.

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT WHO HAS THE BEST MORALITY BUT WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF YOUR MORALITY.

Since u think polygamy being a sin is derived from a higher power, then no need proceeding further.

Atheist here are already trying to drive the discussion into the direction of whether the morality of God is the best.

I will appreciate if u don't give them the fuel for that, the question is clear WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF MORALITY FOR THOSE WHO DONT HAVE A HIGHER POWER.

So, when people correct another it means that the correcter is beyond correction?

Do we not check if the correcter is correct and valid?

Or are you saying that the correcter cannot be corrected?

If so, then why are you still trying to correct your opponent since you have already corrected him?

If you still had any valid argument to make against the points in those threads, make them and let us see if they are valid or not, after all it won't cost me anything to admit that I am wrong, which is the mark of repentance.

So, if you disagree, come and prove your case. I am always waiting to see the person that would validly prove i am wrong so that I know the Truth, since there is no valid argument against the Truth. So come and prove your case, if indeed you can

Modified
So, back to the issue, you are the one not properly representing God to prove that God does not change and that He never, ever supports an evil or sin, of which every immorality is an evil and a sin. Therefore, when you say God did not condemn polygamy, you are saying that God supports an immorality exactly like saying God supports a cheat and adulterer. Which is already not True. So, you see you have a problem which is what the atheists are telling you

So, God is The Source and Maker of morality which is actually Natural Law and Natural Law is What/Who created everyone. So, naturally, it is the source of all men, whether they like it or not, or admit it or not.

Gabrielshow26:
You seriously need help, so stating is a lie along with this

All through that post I was addressing the reader, stating and highlighting your logic. So how is that a lie? So by stating and highlighting your logic I lied?

Any logical person would agree it is more precisely described as reiteration or highlighting to show I was emphasizing a key point(s) rather than simply explaining the whole concept over again.

What concept did I re-explain over again, care to share🤨?By the way, it's evident even to the blind that I made it easier for the reader, as an emphasis and a reference for future purposes, to see your fallacious assertions.🥱

And this is not a re-explaintion?😁🤣🤣🤣
Can the reader not read?😁🤣🤣

Gabrielshow26:
Your ad hominems only reinforce the fact that you lost the argument 🥱.

Go and read, fallacies are for arguments and since the argument ended the focus has since shifted to your very bad and unchristianly conduct and person with me since saying "and you say that you are Christian". So, I'm in good order.

Expanse2020:
You don run ....

After you see truth that your God
Is a lesser God that die and the supreme God cannot die

See, am, you don dey lie even when the thread show say na me answer you and e take 3 or 4days before you fit come talk dis lie wey you dey lie.🤣🤣🤣🤣

SIRTee15:
Something that's in the bible !!!!!

Polygamy is permitted and marriage bed undefiled are both derived from the bible.

Stop talking lying. I have already pointed the several times polygamy is condemned and the fact that Isreal then stops it after God had communicated it stopped.

https://www.nairaland.com/8032594/deuteronomy-17-17-shows-god#128966884

https://www.nairaland.com/8238054/polygamy-jews-stopped-polygaming-after

https://www.nairaland.com/8080384/polygamy-gods-punishment-fornication-deut

So, you are telling lies

Neoteny:
You're referring to the Bible as your source of morality, and Christianity is 2,000+ years old, beginning with Paul's writings (Jesus was not a Christian, he was a Jew). The Gospels of the Bible were written approximately 100 years after Jesus. So what came before the Torah and the New Testament? If you're pegging the origin of your belief system to 4,000 years ago then explain morality and justice systems 3,000 years earlier than that and farther, during the Mesopotamian, Babylonian and Sumerian civilisations. Explain the 5,000 years of Persian and Chinese civilisations. Incidentally, Abraham came from ancient Babylon, which is now Iraq.

Also, there's no such thing as "Judeo-Christian", it's a modern invention by the Zionists to gain the sympathy of evangelicals for the creation of Israel. The foundation of Christianity is the idea of salvation, accepting that Christ died for your sins and is the son of Yahweh. But Jews don't believe Jesus was the Messiah and believe he's in hell. How are you the same, that you conflate the two distinct and conflicting religions into one?

The Old Testament god is a deeply amoral and wrathful god, so how can this be the source of universal moral values? There's more sex and violence and debauchery in the bibles than anything a conscientious atheist has ever written.


If you're so confused about your religion then you've no ground to stand on to opine about the source of morality.

As for your obsession with homosexuality and transgenderism, well... that's a matter of liberalism and not atheism. There are many atheists who don't condone the acts, but it's in overwhelmingly Christian civilisations that such acts are accepted and even made legal, such as in the US, Europe, and Israel itself. In fact, Israel are having gay Pride Day in Jerusalem! But what Muslim country, for instance, legalizes gay marriage, homosexuality and transgenderism? So it's not biblical nor Judaic. It's also not atheism, it's liberalism that enables it.

You've also not explained why philosophy exists way before any of the books of the Bible where morality is pondered, which sets the basis for my claim that religion, which came later, borrowed liberally from philosophy and incorporated it.

As I've also said, the real source of morality is conscience. That's the source whether one is a Jew, Christian, Muslim, Hindi, liberal, conservative, or atheist. A healthy conscience makes for a healthy society with or without religion, and conscience is imbued in the Self, or the Freudian Id, not some questionable scriptures the authors of which are unknown. The Bible doesn't get to define what morality is, as it's subjective. While societal consensus can make some definitions for expectations, morality is largely down to personal inhibitions.

Morality is Natural Law and natural law began when this world began. And like God, it has not changed. And the same God Who answered all immoralities in the old testament is still the same one who showed mercy to a woman who Satan used to ruin His Plans.

And the Bible follows that morality all through

LordReed:
Ok so it is morally ok to take legal concubines and marry multiple wives? .

Every person who practiced polygamy has always been viewed as immoral. And God Himself condemned and stopped polygamy and infact it is a punishment

https://www.nairaland.com/8032594/deuteronomy-17-17-shows-god#128966884

https://www.nairaland.com/8238054/polygamy-jews-stopped-polygaming-after

https://www.nairaland.com/8080384/polygamy-gods-punishment-fornication-deut

SIRTee15:
polygamy is not a sin according to the bible, anything God permit cannot be a sin though not expedient and not part of the original covenant btw God and man.

You are not saying the Truth. It is written God can never support evil. So , i checked it thoroughly and found that Polygamy is a sin. God even uses it as a punishment and I proved it in these threads.

https://www.nairaland.com/8032594/deuteronomy-17-17-shows-god#128966884

https://www.nairaland.com/8238054/polygamy-jews-stopped-polygaming-after

https://www.nairaland.com/8080384/polygamy-gods-punishment-fornication-deut

https://www.nairaland.com/8077583/polygamist-god-gave-him-wives

Are you saying that it is the logistics company itself?

Ii thought it was port rats who do this.

DeepSight:
Barbaric.

See, self deceit at its finest. If you own yourself why did you not stop diseases and death from affecting you?

Chai. Na now i kon dey Lagos? Dem for build hin twin before dem kon remove the older twin na.