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chieveboy:
Read slowly what I wrote in the particular paragraph. Ensure you understand first...

I read it and you said in addition to the issue i disagree with that "And as you rightly conclude, they would not be making any effort at verifying this because their certainty is already a barrier to the truth".

Whereas, every child seeks verification of all that he has been told.exactly how they taught us square roots and till today i cannot see it used naturally (this makes badom go lunyc). Same way i still contest that mathematics question, if one egg boils in 5 mins vs 2 or 3eggs answer.

https://www.nairaland.com/6547175/see-how-young-deception-began/2#106567457

Gabrielshow26:
🥱Save your antics. They won't help you for your illogicality is well established. I won't indulge you again on this matter for you have nothing tangible to say.

See, you cannot counter after using and throwing every trick there is. 😁🤣🤣🤣

Told, you there is no valid argument against the Truth no matter how hard you try and lie. 😁🤣🤣🤣

If you like don't repent, you already know what must happen to you. Bye bye.😁🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Neoteny:
Claiming that religion preceded philosophy is your undoing..

Religion does precede the formal and academic philosophy that you are referring to.

It is said Socrates is the father of philosophy (western) while Confucius is the father of Eastern philosophy and before both of these people, religion that is paganism aka idolatry was already on ground in full force long before they were born. So you see, religion precedes your philosophy

Neoteny:
Which of the gods, though?

The many gods of Civilisations before Abraham? The pantheons of ancient Rome and Greece? The hindu gods? Or Baal?

The problem is, you're taking the bible at its word as the ground truth, a book that suggests the universe came into existence just 4,000 years ago when we've cave paintings more than ten thousand years old, and evidence of ancient civilisations more than 6,000 years ago, complete with their justice and moral and philosophical systems to guide their societies. Thankfully we've science to further erode the ignorance that bred many of these mostly superstitious belief systems.

The bible was written a couple of thousand years ago by unknown men, none of whom witnessed what they wrote about, focused on events around their immediate environment, with hardly any contemporaneous proof.

Outside the bibles no one can prove anything the gospels claim. But it's scientifically proven the universe is billions of years old.

I'd much sooner believe Homer's Odyssey than anything in the Old or New Testaments as fact.

There's nothing in this world that cannot exist or function without some cosmic maker with super powers.

Why are you moving post? Did you not know the God you were talking about when you first spoke? Please, find something reasonable to say or rest.

chieveboy:
Example: A person lied to from childhood that their biological father was Dangote having lived and was spoon-fed by Dangote would be certain that their biological father was Dangote. And as you rightly conclude, they would not be making any effort at verifying this because their certainty is already a bartgrier to the truth they would likely not want to be told....

Which child did not verify if their father is Dangote? Did the child not ask for pictures? And will not ask if you would take him to his house? And would he not ask if Dangote would come visiting so that he can verify?

God makes sure that every human verifies everything that is why we are always liable for the decisions and choices we make.

Expanse2020:
Hype yourself
Make yourself happy
🤣🤣🤣🤣

After you see the truth that God cannot die , your God a lesser one is a weak one

See am, you are now repeating yourself as you see you do not have any reasonable thing to say again as you don see say you be somebody wey dey do all the work wey hin god suppose do but hin no dey exist! 😁🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

SIRTee15:
Pls don't derail this thread with your shallow knowledge. People even corrected u in those thread but your obstinacy no gree u see road.

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT WHO HAS THE BEST MORALITY BUT WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF YOUR MORALITY.

Since u think polygamy being a sin is derived from a higher power, then no need proceeding further.

Atheist here are already trying to drive the discussion into the direction of whether the morality of God is the best.

I will appreciate if u don't give them the fuel for that, the question is clear WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF MORALITY FOR THOSE WHO DONT HAVE A HIGHER POWER.

So, when people correct another it means that the correcter is beyond correction?

Do we not check if the correcter is correct and valid?

Or are you saying that the correcter cannot be corrected?

If so, then why are you still trying to correct your opponent since you have already corrected him?

If you still had any valid argument to make against the points in those threads, make them and let us see if they are valid or not, after all it won't cost me anything to admit that I am wrong, which is the mark of repentance.

So, if you disagree, come and prove your case. I am always waiting to see the person that would validly prove i am wrong so that I know the Truth, since there is no valid argument against the Truth. So come and prove your case, if indeed you can

Modified
So, back to the issue, you are the one not properly representing God to prove that God does not change and that He never, ever supports an evil or sin, of which every immorality is an evil and a sin. Therefore, when you say God did not condemn polygamy, you are saying that God supports an immorality exactly like saying God supports a cheat and adulterer. Which is already not True. So, you see you have a problem which is what the atheists are telling you

So, God is The Source and Maker of morality which is actually Natural Law and Natural Law is What/Who created everyone. So, naturally, it is the source of all men, whether they like it or not, or admit it or not.

Gabrielshow26:
You seriously need help, so stating is a lie along with this

All through that post I was addressing the reader, stating and highlighting your logic. So how is that a lie? So by stating and highlighting your logic I lied?

Any logical person would agree it is more precisely described as reiteration or highlighting to show I was emphasizing a key point(s) rather than simply explaining the whole concept over again.

What concept did I re-explain over again, care to share🤨?By the way, it's evident even to the blind that I made it easier for the reader, as an emphasis and a reference for future purposes, to see your fallacious assertions.🥱

And this is not a re-explaintion?😁🤣🤣🤣
Can the reader not read?😁🤣🤣

Gabrielshow26:
Your ad hominems only reinforce the fact that you lost the argument 🥱.

Go and read, fallacies are for arguments and since the argument ended the focus has since shifted to your very bad and unchristianly conduct and person with me since saying "and you say that you are Christian". So, I'm in good order.

Expanse2020:
You don run ....

After you see truth that your God
Is a lesser God that die and the supreme God cannot die

See, am, you don dey lie even when the thread show say na me answer you and e take 3 or 4days before you fit come talk dis lie wey you dey lie.🤣🤣🤣🤣

SIRTee15:
Something that's in the bible !!!!!

Polygamy is permitted and marriage bed undefiled are both derived from the bible.

Stop talking lying. I have already pointed the several times polygamy is condemned and the fact that Isreal then stops it after God had communicated it stopped.

https://www.nairaland.com/8032594/deuteronomy-17-17-shows-god#128966884

https://www.nairaland.com/8238054/polygamy-jews-stopped-polygaming-after

https://www.nairaland.com/8080384/polygamy-gods-punishment-fornication-deut

So, you are telling lies

Neoteny:
You're referring to the Bible as your source of morality, and Christianity is 2,000+ years old, beginning with Paul's writings (Jesus was not a Christian, he was a Jew). The Gospels of the Bible were written approximately 100 years after Jesus. So what came before the Torah and the New Testament? If you're pegging the origin of your belief system to 4,000 years ago then explain morality and justice systems 3,000 years earlier than that and farther, during the Mesopotamian, Babylonian and Sumerian civilisations. Explain the 5,000 years of Persian and Chinese civilisations. Incidentally, Abraham came from ancient Babylon, which is now Iraq.

Also, there's no such thing as "Judeo-Christian", it's a modern invention by the Zionists to gain the sympathy of evangelicals for the creation of Israel. The foundation of Christianity is the idea of salvation, accepting that Christ died for your sins and is the son of Yahweh. But Jews don't believe Jesus was the Messiah and believe he's in hell. How are you the same, that you conflate the two distinct and conflicting religions into one?

The Old Testament god is a deeply amoral and wrathful god, so how can this be the source of universal moral values? There's more sex and violence and debauchery in the bibles than anything a conscientious atheist has ever written.


If you're so confused about your religion then you've no ground to stand on to opine about the source of morality.

As for your obsession with homosexuality and transgenderism, well... that's a matter of liberalism and not atheism. There are many atheists who don't condone the acts, but it's in overwhelmingly Christian civilisations that such acts are accepted and even made legal, such as in the US, Europe, and Israel itself. In fact, Israel are having gay Pride Day in Jerusalem! But what Muslim country, for instance, legalizes gay marriage, homosexuality and transgenderism? So it's not biblical nor Judaic. It's also not atheism, it's liberalism that enables it.

You've also not explained why philosophy exists way before any of the books of the Bible where morality is pondered, which sets the basis for my claim that religion, which came later, borrowed liberally from philosophy and incorporated it.

As I've also said, the real source of morality is conscience. That's the source whether one is a Jew, Christian, Muslim, Hindi, liberal, conservative, or atheist. A healthy conscience makes for a healthy society with or without religion, and conscience is imbued in the Self, or the Freudian Id, not some questionable scriptures the authors of which are unknown. The Bible doesn't get to define what morality is, as it's subjective. While societal consensus can make some definitions for expectations, morality is largely down to personal inhibitions.

Morality is Natural Law and natural law began when this world began. And like God, it has not changed. And the same God Who answered all immoralities in the old testament is still the same one who showed mercy to a woman who Satan used to ruin His Plans.

And the Bible follows that morality all through

LordReed:
Ok so it is morally ok to take legal concubines and marry multiple wives? .

Every person who practiced polygamy has always been viewed as immoral. And God Himself condemned and stopped polygamy and infact it is a punishment

https://www.nairaland.com/8032594/deuteronomy-17-17-shows-god#128966884

https://www.nairaland.com/8238054/polygamy-jews-stopped-polygaming-after

https://www.nairaland.com/8080384/polygamy-gods-punishment-fornication-deut

SIRTee15:
polygamy is not a sin according to the bible, anything God permit cannot be a sin though not expedient and not part of the original covenant btw God and man.

You are not saying the Truth. It is written God can never support evil. So , i checked it thoroughly and found that Polygamy is a sin. God even uses it as a punishment and I proved it in these threads.

https://www.nairaland.com/8032594/deuteronomy-17-17-shows-god#128966884

https://www.nairaland.com/8238054/polygamy-jews-stopped-polygaming-after

https://www.nairaland.com/8080384/polygamy-gods-punishment-fornication-deut

https://www.nairaland.com/8077583/polygamist-god-gave-him-wives

Are you saying that it is the logistics company itself?

Ii thought it was port rats who do this.

DeepSight:
Barbaric.

See, self deceit at its finest. If you own yourself why did you not stop diseases and death from affecting you?

Chai. Na now i kon dey Lagos? Dem for build hin twin before dem kon remove the older twin na.

DeepSight:
Story of Job.
Children are not chattel.
They cannot be replaced.

Children/humans are creations just like chattels and therefore, they are replaceable. And remember this speciality that makes you think you are different from chattels was put bu God, so He has a right to take all back.or deal with them in anyway and manner He deems fit, in proof that you are still a chattel.

Funny, you made yourself an enemy of God yet you want to keep His Thkngs. What a joker

Gabrielshow26:
🥱Are you scared? They are not for you but for the reader. I showed them excerpts of your logic, let them make their own conclusions. I know you are delusional but we don't suffer from the same fate🥱. By the way, for the umpteenth time they are not re-explanations. Did you see me explain anything there? I just stated the flow of the argument from conception to end. Save your breath, accept your loss and move on. Your tirade won't work🥱.

You see, now you confess )that you were re-explaining were you were lying that those 2 excerpts you re created were not a re-explaintion.😁😁. Man, i did not know that you ra liarr like atheists ooo. And you say that you are Christian. Now I know you were lying when you said that.

erad:
This is just a bunch of sensational garbage.

A prosecutor can call a witness a liar, it's up to the defense to object if it's unfounded. Linking it to losing composure is silly and ignorant at best.

They are only taking note that the prosecutors lost his composure. No one said he has lost even though it is a sign that he may lose

Gabrielshow26:
I am more inclined to believe that because God has the power to redeem all things, he lets things play out from an human standpoint.

Never noticed that you always spoke from the place of your personal preference. No wonder you are biased and imbalanced and behave just like this atheists and anti God people. Your journey to being born again has not started

Theawakensoul:
You said, “everyone knows what and who God is.”
That sounds confident, but it doesn’t hold up when you look at reality.

If “everyone knows,” then explain this:
👉 Why do different people define God in completely different ways?

Some say God is one being.
Others say God is a trinity.
Others say God is beyond all forms.
Some traditions describe many divine expressions.

The fact that they are defining already answers you.

Gabrielshow26:
So those two excerpts are re-explanations ? You must be high😅.

I was obviously calling out your fallacies... Sorry, logical soundness😂 to the reader. Your delusion won't allow you to see how your assertions are nothing more but assertions without a semblance of proof or evidence 🥱.

What was the purpose of adding your narrative to the things already written down if you were not trying to re=explain, what was explained?

And it is now, after everything that you are seeing my "fallacies sorry illogical soundness", so, your eyes was closed by your hallucinashuns, abi?🤣🤣

Clearly you are full of kpu mmiri.🤣🤣

Modified
See God has answert by showing you Deziani's case that see, people noticed that the prosecutor lost composure like you did,so, who would be surprised that he lost?
https://www.nairaland.com/8663497/prosecutor-loses-composure-diezani-closes

Arguments are not won by volume or aggression, but rather by the VALIDITY—the logical soundness—of the points presented Anonymous

DeepSight:
A father enters into a bet and allows the children of his son to be killed enmasse to win the bet?

Please just go away.

Sick.

Now you have moved post from job to his children, not to talk of the fact that the children were replaced even double . A clear case of crying more than the bereaved.

And yet you complain that you are called an enemy of God, and wondering why you must have a perilful living and death.

You don't have any valid thing to say for just like Satan is going to pay,you too are going to pay

LordReed:
Good then quit telling us to worship your god since you think he has no responsibility towards us.

Where did I tell you to worship Him?

DeepSight:
Nothing can justify the sadistic barbarity and immorality of the book of Job. It is a book that reveals the stark cold immorality and dark evil of the pagan mountain deity of the Jews.

Not even when the Bible made it clear that God was so happy and proud of w job that He was using Job to boast and prove to Satan that job could beat him?

Which father does not do that? Why else do children enter competitions?

LordReed:
Nope but they would be responsible if they didn't do what is in their power to do. You lot claim your god is all powerful, yet he does nothing to prevent any of the suffering we see.

Being powerful does not mean servitude especially when you have been given the sense to guide yourself. And all the sufferings you see are manmade as men like you told God to leave them alone, that you have sense to manage and rule yourselves. So now He has left you alone and your kings and managers have caused you the suffering you see. So you all are reaping the fruits of your labours and you are supposed to.

plesion:
...So, the moral life, that is, the spiritual moral, being part of charity or love, is to go together with the faith.

Tell them

Theawakensoul:
You didn’t actually answer the question, you avoided it.

I agree because everyone knows What and Who God is, so He needs no explanation or redefinition

Gabrielshow26:
🥱 Say whatever makes you sleep at night. You didn't say anything tangible neither did you prove your stance. Just assertions and fallacious logic, here and there🥱. Pls, 🐍

You are the one who needs to say anything to sleep well. The thread shows that despite all your best efforts and tricks and lies to prove my assertion wrong, you failed and even ended up proving me right, hence why you started dodging and dodging until the point it was clear that you were never going to Christianly admit that you are wrong.

That is what the evidence in the thread shows, so, it is not by making noise crying for help.

Even if we do this again, you would still lose again because "There is no VALID argument against the Truth



Arguments are not won by volume or aggression, but rather by the VALIDITY—the logical soundness—of the points presented Anonymous

Gabrielshow26:
Let's start from here, here is our beloved Dtruthspeaker and his logic in purview


Let's also take a look at this logic of his Very Ludicrous, if you ask me. Is this proof? I don't think so. Just more assertions as a statement of fact....

Gabrielshow26:
Then in a bid to further his contrivance he quoted the definition of mens Rea and fallaciously called mine wrong. This I called him out on. Take a look below. ..

Bla bla bla
See relitigation and attempts to falsely change previous statements by adding explanations when the thread has already evidenced all you said which every reasonable gets without your explanation.

Now, you are re-explaining and adding new statements to what you have already explained before when no one asked you.

See, Guilt is worrying.

Gabrielshow26:
You just can't help it. It seems misrepresentation is ingrained within you. I have answered your question. You can keep deceiving yourself. Everyone can see that I provided an answer to the question and I won't dignify your antics with a response on it. As I have said earlier, I don't repeat myself. If anyone here is to be termed a liar, a son of the devil, that would be you. As you have biologically claimed that you are his son so this rant of yours is unsurprising.

See it, God complex aka pride! Then you say you are not the son of dev.

If truly you answered the question, you would have stated it. But you did not.

All you did was talk Off Point rambling about things you were not asked, repeatedly.

Meanwhile, you say you don't repeat yourself, isn't that clear you rlying and d4 a son of the liarr?

Gabrielshow26:
Do you know since when I asked you questions which you failed to answer, now you are crying wolf?

You are the one that avoided my questions right from the get go.

Clearly because you were committing the fallacy of reversing/shifting the burden of proof which renders your statements/argument/question, INVALID!

And now you are crying and wailing, praying for someone to hear you..😁😁🤣

Gabrielshow26:
😂Save me this banal antic of yours. You can claim whatever you want but the Truth is visible to all that your doctrine has more holes than a cheesecake.

You have claimed that I lied but still can't substantiate, how and where I lied. I caught your lies but kindly, show mine—You can't, cause I never lied. Don't worry, every thing you said is on permanent record😅. Anyone can consult it for future purposes.

Pls, ensure next time you make your usual unprecedented assertions that you back them up with proofs🥱!

The thread shows you breaking every rule of argument and i immediately pointing them out when you infringed them.

The thread further shows you committing various types of fallacies. And when you saw that you were trapped , you now wanted to switch and reverse the burden of proof to me, since you did not want to state the direct and obvious Truth and conclusions my counters had led you to.

So all these talk wont save you from the embarrassment your dishonest and serpentine plays and lies you had to resort to all because you did not want to confess the Truth which this argument has revealed.