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SpyMaster1:
Sorry for your loss.
You turn every discussion about suffering, old age, or death into the same broken record: “I pity all those who are enemies of God… there is no escaping God… fear God or else.”

Even in the Ecclesiastes thread, you did the exact same thing twisting a deeply skeptical book into your personal “Solomon rebelled and got crushed, so fear God” sermon.

Many Christians on here are mature enough to discuss the realities of old age, infirmity, and death without immediately using it to attack “enemies of God” or threaten people with divine punishment. The original poster was asking a genuine, human question about whether the indignities of long life make people question God’s mercies.
Instead of engaging thoughtfully, you jumped straight to fear-mongering and pitying non-believers.

That kind of aggressive, “us vs them” approach doesn’t strengthen faith it repels people. A lot of reasonable Christians here know the difference between honest reflection on suffering and turning every tragedy into a weapon against those who don’t share your exact beliefs.

The Preacher in Ecclesiastes faced the horror and futility of death honestly for most of the book. You seem incapable of doing that without adding your favourite fear-based twist.

Now you are seeing why attack enemies of God with death bed issues because in that horrible day, all these anti Godism stops. There is no argument whatsoever. Every dying soul on that day is now in sweat filled trepidation and in crippling fear of God. I saw it all around me.

And so the question i put to the living who still have many more years on earth is why would you live your life being an enemy of God only for you to disturb the living and God when you are on your death bed?

And worse, on that day it is even over too late. (Yes, i said it and I always say it. Anyone telling you that you can repent on your death bed is lying to you and I know we have all seen many people repenting and praying on their death beds. But let's say the Truth, did it work?

I definitely say 'No! It didn't work."

So, i put it to the living does it make any sense to live a life being an enemy of God only for you to start sweating in terrifying fear when death comes?

LordReed:
LoLz. I literally asked him which portion he wanted me to focus on because I am ready to discuss reasonably. Unlike you who just makes assertions and can't be reasoned with.

Now you have started your usual lies. There is no time where i was ever unreasonable to discuss with. It is you who when you see that you have no reasonable argument to make again who starts resorting to lies and fallacies and change of posts.

Truvelisback:
Being born again isn't about being moral. Being born again is accept and believe the finished work of Christ on the cross. There are people who are moral that aren't born again. Being born again goes beyond just being moral. However, living a moral life is part of it. The Bible says by their fruit(character or moral way of living), you shall know them.

Please, address the 2 bolded statements for they are contradictory. For in the first one you discard say that morality is not necessary but in the second one you admit that morality is a part of born againess. So, which is it?

Gabrielshow26:
It’s fascinating to see you use 'mens rea' (guilty mind) to argue that disobedience doesn’t cause guilt. This is like saying a man isn't a criminal for shooting someone; he’s only a criminal because the bullet entered the body ...

That is because you are looking at the man born today after the fall from innocence who now has the knowledge of good and evil and mens rea.

Whereas, Adam male and female being the first are the only humans to have lived and enjoyed a world free of guilt. Your shooter above never enjoyed nor got that experience, so, your counter does not apply.

So the area of concentration is the spot were man transited and transformed from an innocent person who could not be held guilty to one who could now be a judged guilty, which is what I have presented above pointing out that in their case and only in their case, they experienced a world in which they could have disobeyed as children do yet they could never be held guilty because of the absence of mens rea. (No other human after them had that because they had already fallen and transformed from innocent people who could not be found guilty into people with mens rea)

Gabrielshow26:
The "Knowledge of Good and Evil" is simply the experiential realization of that rebellion...

We have heard your own definition and the thread shows that all these comes down and amounts to what is called mens rea. So, lets not go backwards

Gabrielshow26:
By the way, in any court of law, the mens rea is the intent to commit the forbidden act.

Now you are trying to change the meaning of mens rea because you want to avoid the Truth.

Is it that you forget that i am a lawyer? In every court all over the world and even Google shows that mens rea is simply

mens rea
/ˌmɛnz ˈriːə/
Mens rea, Latin for "guilty mind," is the mental state or criminal intent a defendant must possess to be convicted of a crime.

And I know you see the primary word is "guilty mind".

And this Law of guilty mind is here because every one of us in the world was born only after Adam had eaten mens rea. So, it is only Adam who saw and enjoyed the world of complete innocence and a world absent of mens rea.

Gabrielshow26:
You claimed God avoided using 'man’s sperm' to avoid sin. True. But He also didn't use '[b]Satan’s sperm[/b] .🤔'

Fallacious argument.

Straw Man Fallacy: The opponent is not directly refuting the original statement ("Joe didn't use a pen" but is instead creating a superficial, similar-sounding argument ("Joe didn't use a biro"

Red Herring / Misdirection: The goal is to redirect the conversation away from the actual issue (whether Joe used a writing instrument) to a trivial nuance, confusing the issue.

So, you have no point here!

Gabrielshow26:
Jesus was the 'Son of Adam' (Luke 3:38). If the entire human line was 'Satanic' by blood, Jesus couldn't be the 'Lamb without blemish' while sharing Mary’s 'Satanic' DNA🤕. By your logic, Mary was a 'Serpent Seed' to.

It is already settled that Jesus was/is unblemished and sinless for many other reasons. So now I am saying even marry blood did not taint Him.

For first thank God you yourself said "lamb without blemish".

Where does a lamb without blemish come from?
Answer: certainly not from the sky but they were all given birth to.

So, how is it that a lamb which came from blemished ewe now came out unblemished?

Clearly, God hath done a wonderful work of separating the blemished from the unblemished in the womb of which Mary in being a maiden Virgin undefiled is already a step and a sign towards holiness an acceptable feature God wants.

Then in addition to her being a Virgin, she was "highly favoured" (not small favour oo or normal favour but HIGHLY FAVOURED).

It still did not stop there, she still had The he Lord with her.

It still did not stop there, shr was blessed above all other women.

So, in all these where can you reasonably find sin in her when The Lord has already found her holy? (This is where the Catholics are right however, they made the mistake of overstretching it.

Gabrielshow26:
You asked 'whose pikin were we before?' as if adoption proves a Satanic bloodline

As you can see, the question is open ended for you to give proof of a different father that could reasonably be our father from whom we get our ivu nature from if it is satan.

So, prove. I am all ears and eyes.

Gabrielshow26:
You also admitted the Bible said "Adam 'knew' his wife and she conceived Cain", but you still question the paternity?

I have made an allegations of paternity fraud by virtue of Mathew 7:16, et al and proving it which led to you trying to counter that cain was born only after Adam had intercourse with his wife which led me to ask are you saying that because Adam had intercourse with his wife, then the child must be his own?

Which you have not answered.

So, i ask again are you saying that because Adam had intercourse with his wife, then the child must be his own?

Gabrielshow26:
However, in Genesis 2:17, God only mentions eating. Eve added the "touching" part herself (a classic use of legalism👀).

So, do you say that Eve is lying against God in saying that she added the word "touching" because you believe that God did not say that to her?

Gabrielshow26:
The 'guilt' didn't come from a 'biological virus🤔' inside the fruit; the guilt came from the moment they decided their own will...

So, are you saying that the guilt came from them even though you have already said that they did not have any guilt since they had not yet eaten the fruit?

And at this point where you say that guilt was in their "moment they decided", they have still not eating the fruit, so how can they be guilty when has not entered as you yourself said that guilt only enters AFTER EATING the fruit of good and evil aka mens rea?

Theawakensoul:
Let’s be very clear here.

When a conversation moves from ideas…
👉 into wishing suffering on others…

It stops being about truth.
👉 And starts revealing mindset.

You said you enjoy watching people die and expect them to suffer, just because they don't belive in your beliefs or share the same ideology with you. .

First, I recognise the limits of any argument and the almost impossibility of reasonably convincing anti God and God hating people.

Which leads to me being an opponent to them like Elijah was to the baal prophets.

So, no one can dodge direct experience and direct experience always cures all arguments and so i am happy to look to see God uphold his Laws.

"Experience does not whisper truths; it shouts them, loud enough to shatter our illusions" Anonymous

So, this is me just saying that I'll let life and real eyeity show you that what I have said is a guaranteed and certain outcome.

Kobojunkie:
Is that all you heard him say in that entire discussion? 🤔

You are looking for fairness from reed? Atiku, might be fairer than Reed

Reed will always dodge the part that is against him and must hang to anything that he can spin around to make your point look bad.

Gabrielshow26:
As for Cain being a murderer and a progeny from Satan? This is a logical leap. The same can be said of us, "beloved children of God"👀 which God never for once touched our mothers👀 yet we are his sons!

Even his begotten Son, Jesus, didn't come through God's use of his "joystick"😁. So this is out of question. The Devil seed doctrine likewise goes against what is clearly stated, "Cain was conceived after Adam knew his wife".

If you look, you would see that you are not pointing out where the gap/leap is.

All you are saying is that when you run with the view, you see now that we all are children of Sathan since we all can kil and do ivu things just like cain did, which is already proven.

https://www.nairaland.com/7723853/why-most-humans-evil#123728720

https://www.nairaland.com/6410287/humans-naturally-evil-good-video#98960517

And as we have all said being ivu and doing ivi is natural to us whereas God is not evil and being Good and doing Good is what is natural to God, so no one can rightfully say that we are children of God.

For, Mathew 7:16, you can never see a serpent behave like a sheep nor vice versa.

if indeed God is truly our Father then why are we adopted?

John 1:12 - But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" (whose son where we be before?)

John 3:1 - Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: (who pikin we be before?)

Ephesians 1:5 - Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.

Then, did you not see Jesus, The Son of God behaving and doing just like His Father throughout?

And thank God you even see that man's sparm and egg was not used at all for Him. That clearly tells you what God was avoiding. And that is why every reasonable person all over the world agrees that Jesus was born without sin.

So, you did not point out the gap and cain being born after Adam had intercourse with his wife only raises the question of paternity as he is supposed to have intercourse with his wife. And of course you cannot be saying that because Adam had intercourse with his wife, then the child must be his own?

Gabrielshow26:
GUILT.

Their disobedience brought about guilt, shame among other things. These things—shame being clearly highlighted—[/b]are written in the story.

We are on the same page here how is it that you disagree? What you have just declared is what is called in Law as "mens rea" which means "guilty mind".

However, i now put it to you believe that [b]It is not their disobedience that brought guilt and shame but the fruit of knowledge of G & E. For, you yourself just answered that "it is the presence of G & E that makes a person guilty" (and not the presence of disobedience.

And this is in view of fact that you also appreciated that the absence of g & e makes a person innocent. (And not the absence of disobedience)

So, before G & E they could have disobeyed in other things eg God would have told them don't go into the rain you would get cold just like children, they disobeyed; or don't touch that plant (venus fly trap) it would, gbam too late but; or don't pluck the pawpaw it is not yet ri... Too late, plucked.

But no guilt because they lacked G & E.

But for G & E, the offence, sin and crime of it even commences as soon as it is "touched" like touching a person with ebola or Staph or dead body (Numbers 19:11)

But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it.

I believe you would agree with me that you would have to touch a fruit to eat it, so touching comes first.

So by this, do you see now that disobedience was at first, on its own and it did not make a person guilty?

But that guilt and mens only began AFTER G and E had entered man?

ebubeson:
Being moral without salvation in Christ does not make one righteous in the sight of God, but being saved in Christ Jesus makes one righteous: with morality as part of the evidences of such a person's salvation.

Any unsaved person that is moral may have rewards, but such rewards will only be on earth and is useless in eternity. But any believer in Christ Jesus who is moral, has his morality tied to the grace of Jesus Christ, and will be rewarded on earth and in eternity with God.

You are partially wrong.

Being born again is about being moral. However, a person who is moral without having God has 2 major guilts standing against him

1) guilt of former wrongdoings for every person must do wrongs before they decided to live morally.

2) guilty of morality which in their opinion was not immoral.

Theawakensoul:
I understand where you’re coming from, but let’s slow this down and look at it more carefully.

First, fear and intense experiences (like near-death moments, sickness, or accidents) don’t automatically prove the existence of “hell.”

👉 They prove one thing clearly: the human mind reacts strongly to danger and uncertainty...

See how you are contradicting yourself in your wike.d to lie?

That is why I like watching you people when u are dieing for in that day cannot deny it

Theawakensoul:
I think there’s a misunderstanding here.
Pointing out that the name “Jesus” comes from Yeshua → Iēsous → Iesus → Jesus is not an attack on Christ...

You are racking more sins in lying. Everyone can see your ivu spirit

LordReed:
A difference only you knows. Abegi make I hear word.

Normal. Denial and atheism are the same person . And see it, the difference between a Christian's death and others is beginning to show up here

https://www.nairaland.com/8659760/rev-dr-osueke-passes-away

LordReed:
Oh please spare me this crap.

Being in denial won't change the fact that there is a big difference in the way and manner Christians die as different from others.

LordReed:
Are you minding that one. He has no sense of what is appropriate. Many of them have no sense of empathy.

Who has empathy for bad people? Who is giving empathy to the boy who murdered his mother because she did not give him money to japa? You must be joking

DeepSight:
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You are insensitive. Maybe you fell from the sky and dont have parents or maybe they didnt grow old or maybe you didnt witness it.

My father and mother are almost 80 and my father still drives from Abuja to the village and back when no one is available to take him for functions (burials and weddings) there. Both are enjoying every drop of life with me.

But, everyone of us knows that this life on earth is only the beginning and that this life determines the next one. So death is just the vehicle delivering people to their different destinations. And y'all chosen which way you wanna go, so you have no right to lament about the cost way your choice is

DeepSight:
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Please stop saying "worser."
Well maybe Kukutente23 will agree with you.

As say it as it truly is. It is worser. In my days it did not exist that you needed to buy a baby but today the cus of barrenness is all over the place and you say that I should not say worser.

Denial does not change the fact

DeepSight:
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It did not say that the man disbelieved or had sinned either! Whereas you point to an illness as evidence of disbelief. While Jesus clearly says its not necessarily the case!

Why do I even bother with you.

The topic is on death and not on infirmity of blindness. And on death, believers die differently from others. And that is what I am saying. And even you have heard it so just like me but because i saw it with my own eyes is why I can tell you that death of a believer is different from others whether you like or not. It will always be like this.

So all y'all lamenting about death, is because you get that God has shown you people your future

tctrills:
This man. Learn to be calming down ok. You claimed your God cursed your mother to be a slave. My own Gid did not curse my mother. We definitely don't serve the same God.
Yours wants women to be slaves, my gives freedom to all His children.

Galatians 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

This man, keep on lying and being fallaciously manipulative, see who would turn left and right calling for help when ☠️ starts drawing out your soul

DeepSight:
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Jesus Christ, what manner of creature are you ? ? ? ?

Even your bible teaches different -

"Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him."
— John 9:3 (NIV)

I am the creature who faces the Truth as it is. I hate watered down Truth.

That was in answer to the question why the man was born blind. It did not say that the man is holy

DeepSight:
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Condolences on your loss. And please it is not for you to know or say who is condemned as you are not the judge.

I know I am supposed to say thank you but in truth i don't think it is appropriate for it is not my loss but a lesson. A lesson God has been warning man since He washed the world but people never listen. Rather they have grown worser and worser. In the same hospital in my hearing, a nurse was telling a mother complaining about the cost of delivery, she told the mother that she should leave her child and that by the time she comes someone would have purchased her child, just like that. What an ivu, made even boldly

And then people like Reed think that it shouldn't get worser?

This is a case of the world is reaping some of the fruits they have planted as they listened and followed people like Reed. It is only going to get worse and death for the condemned cannot be described it is a terrible sight

LordReed:
Bro it is one of my greatest pains rn. I have an infirm parent who has suffered multiple strokes, the contrast between their current condition and when they were in good health is heartbreaking. Mind you they are a believer in god, Jesus and all that jazz. Goes to show all that is just not really relevant to RL.

For him to get stroke means that he did not believe.

I have always told you that when believers die, it is different and i have seen the deaths of both a believer and the others and the difference is clear.

DeepSight:
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Do I understand you right that you pray for a younger passing to avoid the problems of deep old age?

Whether old or young when a condemd is dying, it is always a horrible experience. I just went through the experience of watching a family member die yesterday and so now I know first hand a lot more about dying and death. And i pity all those who are enemies of God. There is no escaping God and it is on that day you would real eyes why Solomon said fear God.

Cc SpyMaster1

Lastpharoah33:
Completely unrelated to the topic.

Heal!

I addressed the topic even though I know why he is asking this question. So, you are only complaining because I dared to say what you did not wish anyone to say

GOFRONT:
OMG


Another man is about to Lose his wife to the Agility and Stamina of a gym Instructor.....

Op, Take a look at d picture below........Would you love to see your wife spreadout by another man in this manner?

You people don't get that she is the one who is catching a guy.

brain54:
You follow her everywhere she goes...?


If she wants or intends to cheat its not gym that would trigger her or not.

Marry good principled and balanced wife some of you married because of big buttocks and boobs.

Now you can't even trust your wife or be secure enough to let her go to the gym!

There is nothing like good principled woman.