₦airaland Forum

texazzpete:
No, mate. Don't blame me for your daftness.


I'm honored. I thought you only reserved these words for your close family members?

Yes, there are holocaust memorials in Israel and Russia. And there's nothing wrong in remembering the sins of the past. The Holocaust and the massive civillian death toll in Russia are significant milestones in jewish and russian history. However, much of the hate people like you are channelling here are absent from the present day commemorations of those atrocities. As i said before, Germans are welcome in Israel and Russia today because they've allowed most of the hate to leach out and they have long realised the silliness of holding generations removed from the Nazis responsible for the WW2 atrocities. People have learnt to move on.

Nairaland is not a museum or the preserve of one man or one school of thought. It's a public forum accessible to everyone, both young and old. Putting such gory photos there without a disclaimer is just plain stupid, and i struggle to understand why you cannot comprehend this simple fact. I am forced to blame your undoubtedly provincial mentality for this.

Funny how none of you have seen fit to dispute the original poster's assertion of pre civil war 'holocaust' of Igbos in the West. Neither have any of you reparation-seeking people offered any reparation for the Igbo invasion and occupation of the Midwest in a war so often billed as a purely defensive affair.

Keep wrapping yourself in hate. You'll die faster that way and the world will be rid of a retard sooner rather than later.

ilugunboy:
^^^^^^Citizen Y.

God bless you. But I bet they will come and abuse you as usual.

I've learnt not to engage with this sort of people on the past issues involving Biafra 'cos they will never debate objectively, rather will always result to abuses and curses.

citizenY:
What has happened has happened and we all, as Nigerians regret the fratricide that took place.

The child cannot be held responsible for the sins of his forehears . Any attempt at doing so cannot be

justified. You can only play the victim for a while. We are daily relating with each other on a different plain

in all aspects of human endeavour and no amount of theatrics can stop us.


Emyah and your side kick Oko1 and of course only truth, you can continue with your monologue. happily enough,

you are free to remain and benefit from the results of the interactions of more reasonable people who are

making honest efforts to put the past behind us. I wish you well No one can deny you that but with remember that

your conscience will continue to prick you as progress in the environment genuine Nigerians are trying to create.

OPCman:
Instigator ? of what?
Please paste here where I instigated any tribal comment. All my comments on this forum or any forum is in reply to what those bigots say about my people and my tribe, nothing more. I have respect for Ibos who believe in Nigeria and Nigerians (I have family friend who are Ibo and we talk on daily basis) but not those bigot educated fools who still see Yoruba as a coward, as a traitor, as a fraudsters, and as this , as that,  You can abuse any Yoruba misruling you/Nigeria in person, but not collectively as Yoruba. I am a Yoruba and I am in government, I am a Yoruba and I am not a fraudster, I am a Yoruba and I am not a coward.

Duduknight,

Honestly to God, (hands on my heart), a Bangladashi guy has once told (on knowing that I am a Yoruba) that 'You Yoruba are the one causing all the problem in Nigeria including giving Nigeria bad image. I asked him how he knows this when he is not a Nigerian and he told me that he read on the net. I asked further, on which website, he said on 'something biafra' and that you Yoruba killed so many Ibos,

Now tell me was the Yoruba that killed the Ibos or the Nigerian Army? Was it Yoruba that did credit card fraud or a Nigerian with a Yoruba name?

Why Yoruba at all time as we are their problem?

asha 80:
OPC is more of an instigator^^^^

koyuid:
what do you people gain from this tribal fights?
this  is the sort of thing one would expect at oshodi mart.

SHAME ON YOU GUYS

onye_ngbu:
You sound more like a bigot that than those people you are accusing.

For you to come up with such analogies and allegations, you are a yoruba bigot just as those from the other side are biafran bigots.  

Dede1:
There is no intent to embarrass you if I may plead with you to tread carefully with Wikipedia. Nonetheless if you want to continue to embarrass yourself, it must be you call. I would have endeavored to ignore your posts but it would not be good idea if such ill-informed conjectures should be left to the detriment of young Nigerians.

Contrary to your beliefs, I have never regarded myself as the repository of Nigerian history. However, I would audaciously reference the fact about Nigerian history which its veracity has been corroborated accurately. 

Please find time to disabuse your mind with the listed links.

 
http://www.answers.com/topic/obafemi-awolowo

http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Obafemi_Awolowo.aspx

http://www.onlinenigeria.com/PEOPLE/ad.asp?blurb=49

http://www.bookrags.com/biography/obafemi-awolowo-chief/

IGWE_USA:
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~Bluetooth:
why is ojukwu living up till date,,shouldnt he be charged for war crimes.?.He fought an avoidable war.,he was selfish and greedy due to the oil in port harcourt and akwa ibom.,

Dede1:
Here you go again with unsubstantiated fallacies. One of the reasons that found Nigeria in a retrogressive projection is the filth laden propaganda being disseminated by the publishing houses in western region of Nigeria. I am sorry to say that most of your postulations are ill-informed conjectures. By the way, Awo went to prison about late 1962 or early 1963. Awo was already in prison when Midwestern region gained regional status in May, 1963.

Based on my knowledge of recorded events, Zik had known Awolowo’s political treachery from 1938 to 1979 elections. After 1959 federal elections, none of the contesting parties appeared to have won out right majority. Parties were engaged in coalition talks in order to emerge as partners with majority vote. Awolowo, as in the cases of 1938 and 1952, pulled his treacherous plots by sending Ayo Rosiji/S Akintola to Kaduna to strike a deal with Alhaji Bello of NPC and Chief S. O. Gbadamosi to Onitsha to strike a deal with Azikwe of NCNC.

When Bello and Zik realized that Awo was playing double prong game and up to no good politically, both men refused to go into alliance with Action Group.

Bennyboy11:
I think a big problem with the debate is that intelligence is almost impossible to define. What is intelligence?

As well the debate is not that there aren't intelligent people on both sides, which the second part of your post is saying, because people on both sides admit there are. The debate is whether the bell shaped curve is shaped differently for the different races.

Bennyboy11:
I think a big problem with the debate is that intelligence is almost impossible to define. What is intelligence?

As well the debate is not that there aren't intelligent people on both sides, which the second part of your post is saying, because people on both sides admit there are. The debate is whether the bell shaped curve is shaped differently for the different races.

Beaf:
A child raised in the roughest parts of Ajegunle is likely to lack the nutrition and other tools to build their intelligence to full potential.
It is a well known (even if unpalatable) fact that social class affects intelligence.

So don't you think that a child who might be lacking the necessary nutrients for proper growth and development might have their intelligence impaired by the same factors? Intelligence might be innate, but it needs to be nurtured otherwise, it falls way below expectation.

Bennyboy11:
Very good point, this is what has come to be known as emotional intelligence. I think this debate is a very complex one and no one on either side should be arrogant enough to make a blanket statement or discount any aspect of the debate.

But don't you think it could be argued that a person surviving in the bush has more to do with adaptation than intelligence?

Beaf:
Some people have big noses and small heads. . . that is genetics. People with big noses and small heads are not more (or less) intelligent than the rest of the population.
However, a child growing up in the wilds of Ajegunle is [b]very very unlikely to grow up as intelligent as one who has grown up in Asokoro, Abuja. [/b]

Nigerians live in a very harsh environment where people shout for joy at the resumption of electricity supply after a break lasting hours, days, even months. What do you expect from people reduced to an animal existence?

Horus:
Let us take the example of a caucasian who live in a big american city. If this caucasian is left alone in the middle of the Kalahari desert in Namibia, do you think he could survive in the desert without modern equipment and food brought with him?. NO. But The Bushmen or San, have their home is this vast expanse of the Kalahari Desert. They are living in one of the most inhospitable terrains in the world. They are able to read the signs of Mother Nature at a very young age, [b]this is also a form of intelligence.It’s almost unbelievable that they are able to survive by hunting, gathering roots and tubers in such environment. Their lifestyle and culture were really something to experience because intelligence is also the ability to live in tune and harmony with nature.[/b]

Dede1:
Anybody that refers the offensive Biafrans undertook through mid-west and onto western region as unfortunate is merely clutching straw. The major element of any war is the moment of surprise. Nigeria in 1966 was as Nigeria today, a colonial contraption, and every part of the country remains an open season for attack in outbreak of a war.
By the way, during the said offensive, the Nigerian army had not been constituted into divisions. The Nigerian army was still structured in Brigades, Battalions, Garrisons and Squadrons.

Dede1:
Nigerian army formation into divisions came as a result of the civil war. There were two Brigades, 1st Brigade was headquartered in kaduna to oversea the northern part of the country while 2nd Brigade was headquartered in Lagos to oversea southern part of the country. Before Gowon and Nigeria declared war against Biafra, the army formation was denoted into 1st Area Command and 2nd Area Command. Within the 2nd Area Command was the Lagos Garrison Organization.

The Nigerian army divisional formation came after 3 battalions under 1st Area Command attacked Biafra on July 6, 1967 and on August 8, 1967 the Biafran 101 division launched an attack on Nigeria through mid-western region and western region in attempt to reach Lagos. The two factors that stopped the 101 from reaching Lagos were Col Banjo and 8th Battalion of Nigerian army under the command of Major Ochefu.

Lt. Col. M. Mohammed never commanded any unit in the army until Gowon made him the GOC of 2nd Division. Murtula was inspector of signal.

naijaking1:
NCNC joined with NPC to form a government, not Igbos joined Hausas, granted that most Igbos were NCNC, the party was made up of more than Igbos. So, you see, we can at least get the facts straight.
Even if NCNC joined NPC in a political alliance, does that equate to trying to eliminate a whole region? It would have been nice to watch the alliance vs opposition mature into a truely democratic culture in NIgeria, but when one is not a good sport, it seems that eliminating the opposition by any means is the best option.
Another correction is that Awolowo did not go to prision because of the alliance against him, records show and witnesses like his friend S.G Ikoku said they went to prison because of felony attempt to overthrow the governement. I beg keep the records straight.

This is yet another version of the 1966 coup. There were easterners, westerners, northerners in the coup group, no question there more Igbos. Hausas, Yorubas, and Igbos were killed by the plotters. What you and revisionists like Danjuma has been saying is that because of the sin of 4-5 Igbo officers, the rest of Igbo race should be punished. If you adopt this standard, then anytime a crime is committed by a group of Yoruba or Hausa youths, the we should massacre the whole tribe? You can't win this bigotry argument.
What else did the prince say about being loved or being respected? You want to have it both ways.

udezue:
"If you adopt this standard, then anytime a crime is committed by a group of Yoruba or Hausa youths, the we should massacre the whole tribe?"

I honestly believe our people should start dealing with them like that. Whats the use of fairness when Nigerians don't practice it?

Ebonyeyes:
Why when the washing machine can do a better job?https://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sad/sad0014.gif

naijaking1:
You were trying to portray the Yoruba people as an all-knowing group that was adept at differentiating "taking a hard stand on issues vs being diplomatic"
In life, there're times to stand up and be counted, and there're times to pretend otherwise. Armed the advantages of hindsight, I can tell you that if Yorubas had faced the same pogrom experienced by Igbos, the majority of Igbo people would want the right thing to be done, whether by taking a hard stand, or being diplomatic.
Yorubas joining Hausa people to "almost eliminate" Igbos, their worst rival might have yielded some short term benefit, but its long term effect has since become obvious.

Dede1:
Ojukwu did not need to seek alliance with Yoruba because the faith meted to easterners in the northern region was the same handed to westerners. For the westerners, it was the repeat of Ibadan debacle when the son of soil was killed. As the case remains today with Islamic riots in northern region, one group chose to fight back others decided to have their tails in between their legs.

You will make yourself believe anything. The Yorubas had an internal problem - Awo's group versus Akintola's group. How is that analogous to the progroms in 1966 and 1967? You will make conjectures just to prove an erroneous point. Which group had their tails between their legs? You just clearly have a hatred for Yoruba people; that is your problem anyway. Anyone who carries hate around is likely to be bogged down by it.

Anybody that refers the offensive Biafrans undertook through mid-west and onto western region as unfortunate is merely clutching straw. The major element of any war is the moment of surprise. Nigeria in 1966 was as Nigeria today, a colonial contraption, and every part of the country remains an open season for attack in outbreak of a war.

Think about this for a second. How large was Banjo's unit? Even if they got past Ore, they would have been isolated from the remaining Biafran units. They simply would have been trapped between Murtala's unit and the units in Lagos.

By the way, during the said offensive, the Nigerian army had not been constituted into divisions. The Nigerian army was still structured in Brigades, Battalions, Garrisons and Squadrons.

This is also inaccurate. What was Murtala's unit called? Was it not called the 2nd division? Was Shuwa's unit not called the 1st division? What was Adekunle's unit called? It was called the 3rd division and Adekunle changed it to 3rd Marine commando. Please get your facts right. Do not be in a hurry to refute everything I type.

Surely, the act of constituting himself as the only policy-making body in Biafra was a strategic error Chief Uwachue pointed out his book.

rhymz:
@CVIBE
Obviously,U are not convasant with what actually caused the financial problem in the US.In case U did't know,it was sth similar to nigeria's.Banks where giving mortgage to ppl who obviously couldn't pay back,there way cases of ppl who had a lot of mortgage debt hanging over their head that had also lost their job and could not pay back same as a biz man who borrowed money from the bank only for the biz to fail and as a result, he defaults,all still boil down to the dwindling economy and not the bank CEOs.The US government did't choose to go on rampage and start mass sacking,sidelining shareholders,creating uneccessary panic,hounding the ceos or even illegally using public funds to nationalize private banks in the name of 'we don't want these banks to fail'.

naijaking1:
I hate to say "I told you so", but I'm still waiting for the blind Sanusi supporter of this World to say something about this issue now. Where are the jarus, Ibimes, and ndu_chucks of this World

First, it was the CEOs, now it's the shareholders. If Sanusi is not a criminal, why not let any acquiring bank buy the shares, assest, and liabilities of these banks? Why does he have to rob shareholders inorder to make the banks easier or cheaper for anybody(his fellow northerners) to buy?

We have all heard about At&T buying Cingular for $12billion, or about $10/share, why not do same in Nigeria and be honest for once He doesn't have to intefer with basic share prices as a way of reducing the value of these banks---- this where it become clear that he's either criminally minded, or just an economic fool.

Oh, by the way, the long term effect of this action is going to affect not just these banks, but all publicly quoted companies on the long run.
Who would want to go buy shares in Nigeria companies when you don't know the type of CBN governor that would be appointed tomorrow?

naijaking1:
I got your point, but my point is that there is very thin line between being diplomatic and being an opportunistic back-stabber.

Onlytruth:
This quote from Julius Nyerere on the Nigeria/ Biafra war captures the whole truth of the situation then and even today:

“I still believe that they (Nigerian officials) are capable of recognizing the tragedy which has caused one part of the federation to break away, and of acknowledging that very different tactics are necessary if the old Nigeria is ever to be recreated. For surely they could decide to leave the Biafrans to go their own way and, by the kind of Nigeria which they create, to show the Biafrans what they are losing by remaining separated from their brethren. For if the other peoples of Nigeria decide to work together, they will continue to be a strong and powerful force in Africa; they really have the opportunity to build a good nation of which every Nigerian –indeed every African – can be proud. Then it may be that at some time in the future the Biafrans will wish to rejoin the peoples from whom they now wish to part; if this happens, it will be the accession of a free people to a large and free political will.”

I have great respect for Nyerere, and the above quote tells me that the Ex-Tanzanian leader and statesman understood Nigeria and her problems far more than the so-called Nigerian statesmen.

citizenY:
All these cries of victim, oppressed , untrustworthy, illiterate,and other labels is just to put the other side on
the defensive and portrany meanness. Those accused of such stereotypical behavior virtually off the
scene now. Whatever they infiltrated into us have in one way or the other been proved wrong by one on one contacts
and real life experiences in life.

Honestly I always wonder what education and enlightenment is all about it cannot be used to shape impressions
dispassionately. Do we have to go by anyones experience in days gone by to determine how we should relate. Do
we have to live history at the expense of tomorrow? Why don't we let our today determine our tomorrow?

SapeleGuy:
When  are we going to get rid of ethnic stereotyping?
No ethnicity has a monopoly on good or bad.

You may care to note, that it was this same 'Yoruba people that you can't trust ' who worked for a [b]peaceful and democratic solution [/b]with the leaders of mid west to create the region, despite it being against their best financial interests.

At the time, federal allocation was divided accordingly:

(a)to Northern Nigeria, 40 ninety-fifths;
(b)to Western Nigeria, 24 ninety-fifths;
(c) to Eastern Nigeria, 31 ninety-fifths.

You can see how the creation of mid west state would have taken a sizeable chunk from their revenue.

chosen04:
The question is can u really trust an average yoruba person? cos he is either here nor there (no insult intended to those who are above board). Immediately Awo was released from prison and offered a mouth watering appointment by Gowon, he backed out of the alliance he has promised to Easterners.

I pray God permits him to look down from the 'land of no return' to see the hardship his wrong caculation has brought to nation( Not just the Easterners but also the Westerners and southerners).

citizenY:
@ quote from duduknight

Its either he turned a blind eye to it or he did not understand the concept.

Security gives way to conspiracy, they say.

He could or would continue like this if he becomes governor/president. I do not
rule out the possibility of PDP imposing him at the end of the day.

tobiecxs:
Oga, Oga Chuckvyl, don't stereotype the North, they have contributed to the deterioration of the national economy like other geographical zones have. Cyril Chukwumah , G.O. Folayan, Mrs. Sola Ayodele dont sound like northern names.
As for the death penalty, he was only expressing the gravity of their offense, he is not the judge. It is the publics money involved, do u know how many citizens would suffer a set back (strokes, closed businesses etc.).
It will be nice if fraudsters lose all their money and go for 20years behind bars, and those on National assignment should go for life.

sandee575:
The death prescription was primitive.