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olawalebabs: for fair play, the mod should be left out. Just imagine jega supporting a candidate

But that should be part of the NL rules, and not introduced in one section only.

If it's not part of the rules, then the whole process can be intepreted subjectively and hijacked.

I will let it be anyway.

Jarus: Ok. I concede. I'm canceling my nomination.

I am surprised and disappointed you allowed yourself to be bullied in that manner.

If there are no rules banning mods from nominating and voting in any section, why should you suddenly, in a knee jerk manner, accept one poster's view?

Real-Mccoy:
I asked a question not imposing an opinion on you. Anyways , it will be nice if we all debate without insulting each other since in reality we all mingle with each other without been ethnocentric......

You want to be selective about when to insult and when not to insult. Despite all the incendiary comments about Yoruba folks.

odogwu-x:
This is part of the hollow yoruba rhetoric on this site and it makes no sense at all. Which igbo man have you ever ever actually met that claimed any part of yoruba land. I know that igbos on this site say it to piss tribalistic yorubas off but but in reality can u convince yourself that its true

Since their comments are online only and have no bearing on reality, then you should have accepted that comment as an online response as well.

Don't be selective in your response or did the original strike a nerve?

Jarus:
Bros, I tried same for this year too but got stuck along the way when I realized I couldn't find for ALL of them. I just struck out that part.

That said, this is no vote of no confidence on this year's but I think the introduction of voting along ethnic lines affected the quality this year. Notwithstanding, we have to respect the decision of the majority and crown whoever emerges the winner; especially as none of the rules we highlighted up there has been breached.

Just to assist you.  


Katz debating with Ekt_Bear on why skilled immigrants are leaving the US.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=242057.msg9390876#msg9390876

Katsumoto:
I am for corporations trying to increase profit through innovations and improved efficiency but I will not sign up for complete capitalism. The people through its government must provide regulation for the common good of society. If every man acts in his best, then society is doomed. The US is not the only country with stock market. Why is it that there is less volatility in the stock markets of the Scandinavian countries, Australia, and Canada? It is because those countries try to find a good balance. Why should a corporation move operations abroad, fire workers and then expect to import those goods and services back into the US for unemployed workers to buy? Apart from an obvious economic issue here, there is a moral and social one as well. Governments should introduce high tariffs and taxes for corporations who do that to discourage that practice.  

You have to realise that extreme capitalism will not only bring about economic problems like that experienced during the great depression and currently in the US and Europe but it also brings social problems. With all of the wealth in the US, why does it have more economic related crime than China and India combined? The constant need for growth is what causes problems in the US. The US, France, and UK all, individually, have more billionaires and Fortune 500 companies than Germany but which country has the lowest poverty, crime, etc? Germany of course. Because the German Mittlestand model promotes empowerment of many rather than a few as practised in the UK, US, and France.

Don't get me wrong, I am not for taxing the rich heavily to distribute to lazy people in the form of welfare but I am for an enabling environment. Barriers to entry is very high in most industries in the US. The IT industry is about the only industry with a lower barrier to entry but even that is creeping up gradually. Most new software companies now require heavy investment from VCs who always demand equity.

How can Americans have a tax system that ensures Buffett pays lower tax than his secretary? Billionaires in the US get away with paying little or no tax; that's not possible in Northern Europe.

It is only a cut-throat world in the US; I suggest you visit the Scandinavian countries and observe how people strike a good balance (work/life; capitalism/socialism). Those living in the US are always stressed, don't relax, work too many hours and then get given 10 - 15 days holiday in a year. That is a joke

Katsumoto:
When European leaders finish beating about the bush, they will have to confront the serious issues facing the Eurozone and the EU at large. The choices are very grim; in hindsight, the idea of a common currency and monetary policy existing in parallel with different fiscal policies seems like an idea that was badly conceived. For all the high deficit problems of the UK, it is definitely smiling secretly for not joining the Euro.

Greece is illiquid and insolvent; it is going down. The contagion from Greece will push Spain, Portugal, Ireland, and italy to illiquid states but they are still solvent. One of two things will happen, 1. Greece is kicked out of the Eurozone and the EU altogether 2. Germany leaves with the other Northern European countries. The second option will definitely result in the break up of the Euro. The consequences to Greece of being kicked out is estimated to be between 45-55% of Greek GDP. The cost to Germany of leaving the Euro is approximately 20-25%; even that is a steep cost for a solvent and strong country like Germany.

The third option is to restructure the Greek debt which will negatively affect the ability of most countries to raise capital from the bond market. Restructuring Greek debt will also take down a number of European banks with high exposure to Greek debt. French and Spanish banks have huge exposure to Greek debt.

The social problems arising from any of the above will affect all European countries as people move to bouyant countries. Crime and other social vices will go up. Immigration will become a big problem.

Katz debating with Dede1 on how Owerri was re-captured by Biafran forces.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=797390.msg9503533#msg9503533

Katsumoto:
Thank you
Wars or battles have rarely been fought by equally matched sides. It was this position that forced the adoption of tactics and strategy in Wars and Battles. From biblical times through to Caesar's defeat of Pompey at the battle of pharsalus where Caesar was outnumbered 3 - 1 to the second Iraq war, the larger force has always attempted to defeat the smaller force. I wonder why the Colonial armies didn't drop their guns and fight native soldiers with swords and spears since they should have made the wars/battles fairer.

Dede1's position ignores several factors.
1. In early April 1969 when it became apparent that Umuahia would be lost, Ojukwu told Madiebo to concentrate whatever forces he had left to retake Owerri so as to counter any loss of morale that would result from the loss of Umuahia. Umuahia, the Biafran capital, was lost 3 days before Owerri was re-taken by Biafran forces.
2. The direct frontal attack preferred by Ojukwu in taking Owerri failed several times in March 1969. In the end, Ojukwu agreed to Madiebo's plan to use a pincer (double envelopment) of the Etuk's 16 Brigade, isolated in Owerri. For the pincer approach to work, Biafra would need several brigades. All the brigades that Dede1 mentioned were used in this assault but they were all under the command of Kalu.

There is no way Madiebo could have been wrong about the assault; he was in charge of the Biafran Army. BTW, Biafran brigades were usually made up of 900-1000 men.

houvest:
After all those assumptions you made up there, Now can you answer my questions,


And after you are done answering it then you can take your own advice  'it is just an online election in an anonymous forum. Don't make it more than it is' You started the war and even went to dig up my post and are now are going further down to insults.

What assumptions did I make? I was merely pointing out the assumptions that you made.
BTW, what insults? I ridiculed the fact that you 'consider' yourself to be some sort of 'Big Brother'. On second, third, and fourth thoughts, don't you consider that to be laughable?

Your candidate may win the poll but don't think we don't know why.

houvest:
What really are you mad at here? That I called Ndigbo to visit this thread and vote? Are they not qaulified to vote? Is NL voting reserved for only one ethnic group?  You prefer them to remain in ignorance of this thread and to be disenfrachised? And you are mad because Onlytruth got 22 nominations? Is he not articulate enough to be nominated here? What really is unsavoury  or sectional in calling people to go and vote? You tell me? What is unsavoury is disenfranchising folks through lack of information which clearly you prefer ? What is unsavoury is trying to win at all costs through alliances which I have never advocated. Let every Nairaland be properly informed so he can exercise his voting rights and may the best win. Do you know how many folks voted in last years edition?

Katsumoto  16 (42.1%)
Kobojunkie  5 (13.2%)
Dapobear  17 (44.7%)
 
Total Votes: 38

So how can only 38 votes out of thousands determine who is the section poster of the year? Why do folks like you want to enthrone mediocrity by disenfranchising folks?  Are you actually looking for less voters in order to enthrone an already annointed candidate ? Just know that some of us will not sit back and watch all those shenanigans anymore. Big brother is here and is certainly watching.

Dude give it a rest, the objective of your rallying call is obvious to many. When did you conduct a census of posters to know how many posters or readers are in the politics section? Besides, the turnout of an election is of no concern to a voter; the job of a voter is to decide whether to exercise his/her right to vote. Whether 38 people voted or 2 million voted, the results are declared from those who voted and not those who could have voted. If you were so concerned about voter turnout, why didn't you visit every thread, announcing that a poll was in effect so that a maximum number can vote? Instead, you seized on a poll for an Eze Ndigbo of NL to rally other Ndigbo to vote. Your approach was sectional and ethnic. When you start it, you feel smart. When others join in, you start complaining and crying just like you did in your post that I quoted.

Can one really ascertain the number of posters in the politics section with a huge number of posters having multiple ids. Posters such as Mekus with 1000s of monikers. Even Andrew Uweh has at least 4 ids (including Ngodigha and abadabada). In your post, you called on PointB to rally Ndigbo to vote. What was the point of that? Is PointB a moderator in any section? The point I made, and by which I stand, is that OnlyTruth gained 16 nominations because of your rallying call. Everyone that voted for him after that post was Igbo. It is not for me to decide whether he is articulate enough to be nominated.

You clearly arrogate a lot of importance to yourself; very typical. Who made you Big Brother? You made yourself Big Brother because you are old or what? You will not sit back and watch any shenanigans anymore??  Dude, it is just an online election in an anonymous forum. Don't make it more than it is. By the way, what are the shenanigans? That 38 out of an indeterminate number of posters voted in an online election is what you term shenanigans.  SMDH

houvest:
Alice in the rabbit whole. Curiouser and curiouser, Alliances, Realignments, accord concordiale. trappings of electoral malpractices and win at all cost mentality. Big Brother is watching.

Aren't you one of those that started the sectional voting from the Eze ndi gbo thread? Onlytruth had only 6 votes before you made your post below on the 8th December and then ended up with 22 votes after your rallying call. You start something unsavoury, when others join in, you complain. SMDH. You are one of those responsible for turning the voting into an ethnic one and by extension, a joke.

houvest:
Good job PointB of rallying Ndigbo on NL. I split my votes. I voted for Andre for Eze Ndi Igbo on Nl but nominated Onlytruth as politics poster of the year on the other thread. Those are two able Igbo youngmen.Point B try rallying Ndigbo also to nominate and eventually vote on that thread. Nomination is still in progress there but it appears few folks visit that thread.

Katsumoto

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Shouldn't this poll be where you are likely to find the voters? In the Politics section!!!!!!

Katsumoto

jason12345:
at the first paragraph

that is uncalled for. what levels are you talking about?


@ second paragraph

my bad, you are right. it is the okun. i would even consider the nupes yorubas since sango was from nupe .  anyway, back to topic.

Alaafin Sango's mother was Nupe; Sango was Yoruba.

TewMuch:
OnlyLies has murdered himself "Igbo's killed Northerner's in Igboland in retaliation for their brother's killed in the North". Same difference here.How is this different from what the Northerner's did?Where those Northerner's in Igboland not innocent civilian's? You have just shut your victim case.Please never bring that whiny issue up again.Case Closed! Jason, ignore the hypocrite

That is what we call hypocrisy of the highest order.

Kaita is rubbish like Etuhu - poor positional sense and poor ball distribution. Running all over the pitch does not make you a good anchor.

basktmout:
@ sjeezy
bcuz the Aros were to Easter Igbos what Oyo was to you Yerobas: an empire

Do you know the meaning of the word empire? look it up if don't and while you are it, read up on history.

honeric01:
Why did you say what you said? is he not a good player? he improved throughout his playing time in Angola and i think he's worth considering (better than some of the defenders we went with.

The guy takes three touches to control a ball and always over-hits a pass.

Recover but please do not find your way to the Eagles camp.

Katsumoto:
Yobo - very athletic but loses concentration regularly; leading to his team conceding cheap goals
Yakubu - Very lazy and arrogant; expects the ball at his feet with only the keeper to beat. He is very static; unwilling to make opposing defenders run.
Etuhu - thinks football is wrestling
Yusuf Mohammed - takes 3 touches to trap/control a ball
Nwaneri - Another who thinks football is wrestling
Olofinjana - Too old
Kanu - should not play but should be there to guide and motivate

I agree with your list; with Yakubu most especially.

Afam:
You cannot talk about Nigeria without tribes because Nigeria has many different tribes and religions. However, this does not mean that everything should be seen from a tribal or religious prism.

The problems we have on this forum are

1. Intolerance
2. Ignorance
3. Inability to admit mistakes

Unfortunately, there is very little the forum owner or moderator can do because these problems are usually inherent in human beings.

We must respect ourselves, respect others even when we disagree with them.

Once we have mutual respect then we can discuss, debate or disagree with one another without any bad blood.

No religion should be insulted, no tribe or ethnic group should be insulted and more importantly we must learn to respect facts, common sense and logic.

Let it be known that those who easily resort to insults in debates are usually those who easily or quickly run out of ideas and in a way to cover up they resort to insults or turn violent so as to divert attention to other issues. People like these are usually petty, have small brains and are bullies in real life. What they cannot achieve with basic thinking they tend to make up with physical strength or insults.

Thank you for post.

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Ibime:
Eziachi is a good contributor who having fought in the war, has licence to comment on any issues that affect his people. Likewise Dede1, who is a concise historian, with a humourous writing style. We cannot expect everyone to tow the party line.

As for me, I like the textbook analysts who analyse issues according to textbook principles, without any leanings or political bias. Hence my 3 nominees are:

4Play
Debosky
Nex

The same Dede who castigates people for quoting Nowa Omoigui when arguing a point and who quotes the same historian when he wants to make a point? He said Nowa was not a credible historian, yet he quoted Nowa when he wanted to articulate a point. Nigga puhleaseeeeeee, give me a break.
As for Eziachi, the war was fought over 40 yrs ago and he is still living in the past. There are other issues affecting Igbo people and other Nigerians for that matter, today.

RichyBlacK:
@Katsumoto

You're a boundless fool!

Only people without the benefit of intellect insult faceless individuals on anonymous mediums.
I guess you do not have too much of a fault; the fault lies with the person who made you a moderator.

Onlytruth:
@Sapeleguy

I'm just saying that seeking justice in an atmosphere of different value systems is an exercise in futility, and Duduknight just proved me right.
Justice only means the same to peoples of shared values. Nigeria just never bothered to ensure that component tribes and peoples shared values before creating a single nation.

Give it a rest; what values are you talking about? The values that allow you to slap someone and whine like a little girl when the the other guy gives you a body slam. Like I said feeling this strongy about it and moaning on the Internet is cowardly. It is time to do something, if you have the courage.

Onlytruth:
It is presumptious of you to assume that all the Igbo crave is an apology. You even sound trite! Did you even read my last post?

Familiar line of murderous thinking! The Tutsi rebels killed the Hutu President (Juvenal Habyarimana), hence the Hutus were justified in butchering 800,000 Tutsi civilians, most of them neighbors and friends. Nigeria is really a very funny country. I hope my Igbo brothers and sisters, and the minorities are reading this!

Continue with your claustrophobic mind-set; the only views you want are the ones that are similar to yours. I have made my point, I will not discuss it further with you.

Onlytruth:
Also to me the talk of going to the ICC is only a tiny part of the remedy. In fact it is almost an infinitismal part. The bigger part is the question of shared values. I know that the Igbos and other easterners do not kill settlers and guests for instance. But, it was open season on the easterners in the north and some parts of the west. So, the big issue is whether Nigeria is not the biggest joke ever created by man.

It is obvious from your post that your view is that everyone in Nigeria is guilty except for people from the east. We all know that can not be true. If what you are looking for is for the North and the South-West to acknowledge and apologise to the East, the IT IS NEVER going to happen. Like I said previously, if you feel so strongly about, quit whining on the Internet and do something about it.

You do not care what led to the regrettable events in the 1960s because IGBO officers were responsible for starting the death and destruction but you want others to acknowledge and apologise for sins committed against the Igbos. Keep that line of thought.

Onlytruth:
And by objective view, I meant something as simple as admitting that the act of killing about 50,000 Igbos and other easterners even before the first shot was fired in the war, was an act of genocide. I don't care what triggered it. Something also triggered the Hutu massacre of the Tutsis in 1994. You keep justifying gencide.

If you read everything then you would have noticed the comment below.

Duduknight:
I agree that there was genocide before the war started and it led to the creation of Biafra. I also agree that there were atrocities committed by both sides during the war; most famous being Murtala's Second division at Asaba and environs. What I find irritating is this 'we are the only victims mentality'. All sides suffered one way or the other; whether it was one one child or 100,000 children.

Onlytruth:
@olafolarin

Why did you feel compelled to respond to this post, especially when you admitted a lack of knowledge of the key things that led to the war? Ojukwu never wanted Nigeria to be divided. Some of the things he demanded was intended to stabilize Nigeria, and some of the same people who sabotaged his position then are now champions of the same things. This further confirms my belief that the Yoruba is not interested in the truth, because if they are, you wouldn't just post things without researching them first.

What a sweeping statement; I suppose Olafolarin now speaks for the Yoruba race.

WilyWily:
Good,
Nigeria commission and British Doctors, hhahahaaa
The same British are the people that provided Nigeria with all the diplomatic and material support to make sure that Biafra was Crushed, The same British used their War Ship to maintain the Blockage knowing that Nigeria as of that time wasn't Capable, Same British persuaded Russian to join them, provided Jet Fighter and Pilots that Bombed indiscriminately Biafran Civilian, The same British that Secretly provided Nigeria some of their foot Soldiers and Engineers that was directing incapable Nigerian Soldiers in the War Front. British Government knowing fully they are accomplice in that Genocide. So all the efforts made to Bring it to United Nation never made it. Go to Youtube and see what Former UN Secretary Boutros Boutros Ghali and all the Journalist that did the coverage said.

Why are you accepting an account from Boutrous-Ghali? After all he is Egyptian and Egypt supported Nigeria during the war. Do you see where I am going with this? Why I accept that it is easy for you to assume bias, you have to accept that British Academics are one of the most liberal in the world. Also, the Biafran propaganda would not have worked were it not for British journalists.