₦airaland Forum

aurenflani: For what offence?

If he never committed any offence and he believes Nigerians are behind him, why not stand and face trial.

proffemi: I get your point, I really do. However, research doesn't work like that. I am confident that there is no lab in Nigeria which can conduct research on Ebola. Also, such labs, where they exist, operate on very strictly-defined mandates such that they wouldn't undertake to test Nano for us. Were we to eventually get around the red tape of identifying a willing lab, the entire process would take, I think, up to a year.

This is longer than even the timeline that GSK is giving for the testing/availability of their vaccine.

What the Lagos government/FG should do is: start a conversation with Zmapp to see whether infusion of funds can move their testing along further, or ramp up production capacity faster*

*all of this assumes that Zmapp does cure Ebola in humans. We hope so, but the jury is still out.


I teach a science related course in a federal university

In life it is adviceable to apply several solutions to a problem

Your just stated one which is "Lagos should help fund the research to fast track it"

Bushdoc state his which is " Focus on preventive method"

My own is " Test run it in any lab within or outside Nigeria. Also try herbs extracts existing drugs and study creatures that are immune to this virus."

So we are all driving towards the solution from different angles

Thanks for answering my question on your relation with science and I want to believe you understand my stand.

bushdoc9919: I have made comments about Nano-silver in other threads....so I will just say this.

So far, nano silver has not yet been proven,either in invitro tests, or animal testing, or phase 1-3 testing to work against the Ebola virus.

It has been proven to

1.Have some activity against the HIV virus in invitro/cell testing.

2.Have some anti-bacterial activity....and silver based compounds have been used as an anti-septic.

I believe the Ministry of Health should go with the proven science...and not recommend Nano-silver. It may do no harm....but it won't be active against the Ebola virus.

I also think that we should focus actively on preventive measures....and in that regard, studying the Ugandan experience may prove beneficial.

Yes we should focus on preventive measures

But while we are applying preventive methods, our labs should be busy.

As for Nano, let's test it on infected monkeys. If it works fine and if it fails at least we tried

We can also try herbs and existing modern drugs on infected monkeys

We can capture fruit bats and study them to see why they are not infected.

proffemi: People, we need to calm down.



What is wrong with your suggestion is: that is not how research is done. First, you should know that there are few labs anywhere in the world that can safely experiment with pathogens as lethal as Ebola. So, no, Lagos state government cannot do that. Instead, they have to depend on the best scientific evidence available.

Their decision to back away from Nano probably has lot to do with the absence of any SCIENTIFIC evidence that Nano is effective in curing Ebola (I will be happy if you will point me in the direction of any such evidence).

This is one issue on which I agree (sort of) with that strange fellow GenBuhari. You use experimental drugs CAREFULLY. You don't go and swallow a beaker of conc. acid just because it will kill the bacteria in your gut.

Summary: there is no scientific evidence that Nano works, so why should Lagos state government use the Ebola patients (who have a ~40% chance of surviving) as guinea pigs, and further, risk making the virus evolve scarier strains?

If Lagos state has demanded that it should be tested in the lab, I would have supported them.

But outright rejection without scientific verification is madness at its peak

Now concerning the type of lab to be used

Lagos state can check round the country for such labs if it exist

If such labs do not exist it can approach other nations in asia europe etc. If they approve, Nigerian scientists will be send there to work with that nation's scientists to verify the authencity

Pls note

Lagos govt will partner with FG and all other states to carry out this.

Finally

On a lighter note

Did you study any science related course in the university/polytechnic

chimkaire: someone suggested trying it out on a monkey...maybe, you didn't get to read that

That is why I do say most of them wasted Awo's free education

He never read the part where I said it should be tried on monkeys to verify its authencity

He just quickly condemn it when he saw that I exposed the political dimension of its rejection.

ElFenomeno1: Your father wasted his free education for a tin of sardine... that is why your trifling as...shole cun..t face is roaming about a public forum and constituting a nuisance
I hope you get ravaged by Ebola during one of your monkey consummation sessions...
Fu...cking pillock.... Ashiere jatijati!

What is wrong in getting monkeys, infecting them and trying the thing on them to see the effect

As I said

You wasted your free education on noise making, mama put, gangstarism, jumping windows, wooing girls etc during classes.

For your info

This is the time our labs should be busy trying out all natural and artificial things like herbs modern drugs chemicals etc to see which one can kill this virus

Even fruit bat should be captured and studied to see why it is immunied to this virus

As I said

You wasted Awo's free education

ElFenomeno1: Do you have a monkey we can borrow Lagos State Govt.?!

You wasted your free education

So you are saying we have eaten all our monkeys

You need to be tied to a tree and shot

Kennyfancy: u must go far in life..i pray GOD bless u

AMENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN


Thanks Bros

God bless you too

Kizmarty: arrant ru.bbish,

totally mean...

high level of inferiority complex....


what if an advancement was made on the experiment..what if ..just what if??


this isn't a better excuse...they should be able to prove this exact nano silver is harmful else....they just made a very wrong move.

Everything to them is just politics

Now I understand what GEJ meant when he said voting PDP will bring FG closer to that state.

This action confirms that FG efforts to partner with APC states is being frustrated

Why can't they infect a monkey and try out the drugs before rejecting it

Is it because it is connected to FG(PDP) that the drug was rejected

Pls oooooo

Lagos state give the drug a trial on monkeys before rejecting. Stop playing politics with peoples lives

What are we waiting for

Abeg get ebolas berem obigelli illugun 5gpa etc and conduct the experiment using Odua's herbs

At least if yorubas are not known for business they are known for herbs

Northerners are getting tired of their creation

An evil group they once called freedom fighters and asked they should be granted amnesty. Even told GEJ to withdraw security personnels from Borno 3yrs ago

BH has come to stay and Arewas must live with it.

Next time don't play politics with security

Ikengawo: Who ever will focus on ABA has my support -though i'm an imolite so it's not my matter.
Aba has the power to modernize the whole south east, it just needs someone that's serious in power. Ihejirika is my man but idk Otti and everything sounds good about him so far. That senator can go and rest. I know what type of criminal mentality it takes to make it into the Nigerian Senate because the position is typically a pay off for rigging for governors, so I can't support him.

Until Justice and Fairness is practiced in Abia, progress might elude them

Have the people of Abia south (Ngwa people) be given their right.

Take a look at states that encourages power rotation and those that don't. You will see that those that practice marginalization don't make it eg Abia Benue Kogi Borno etc

Ihejirika and Alex are wise admnistrators but the Abia curse might work against their effort

To me the most important thing for Abians is that they should copy Imo and Anambra power rotation policy

So he can't stand to face trial

Now who is the coward

tit: This 3-magazine story again!

A few weeks ago, some guys here said the NA was limited to 3 magazines because of the pouches on their flak jackets.
I asked if they could not tape extra magazines on their guns, limbs, etc.
If this was protocol during the ECOMOG campaigns?
When did the NA start limiting its men to 3 magazines while on combat patrol?
The purveyors of this story walked back and denied it.
Now this 3-magazine story is back as a cause of death for this gallant NA officer.

I tire ooooo

Why can't they buy a green or desert coloured bag and stock it with ammos

Am dissappointed in some people who believe any security story without first asking for evidence just because they want to see GEJ removed

This is the stupid mistake Borno elders made 3yrs ago when they asked GEJ to withdraw soldiers.

Today they are giving him ultimatum to end BH.

Fxwarrior: He should thank Seun daily that this is a faceless online forum. If he should try this rubbish offline am sure his head should be on the floor by now.What nonsense.

Hahahahahaha

You are funny

If you know who I am

You will deactivate your moniker


Becareful of comments made online so that you are not traced to provide evidence or face prison

Pls go through Chuckky234 comment and you will see him accusing GEJ of not helping matters

Is that what a soldier's son who has an ideal of military command structure say

Take a look at Sirius comments

He never accused the president but brought his attention to facts hidden by the military authority

All through Sirius thread, Chukky234 never directly or indirectly brought up this issues

The question you should ask yourself is why is he now talking

Ibnsultan: . What's with ur gragra attitude hw much is TAN/okupe paying u per post. I used to respect you. But you dragging a noble patriot into ur politics.

"If you are quick to believe people, they will easily fool you.

If you doubt people without evidence, you will lose a great opportunity"

SUCCESS TACTICS

Jakumo: How on earth can the death of a soldier at war, even if it was FALSELY reported, "set the nation ablaze?"

I simply cannot follow that leap in logic, and would be grateful if you could elaborate on this strange and wacky claim.

Good question

When a falsehood is repeated multiple times and evidence is not demanded, it becomes truth.

If Nigerians buy this falsehood that GEJ is not playing his role, people will fall prey to political opportunists

Eg BringBackOurGirls campaigne is one example. But it did not worked out as planned

Do you know why GEJ provided security during Ekiti/Osun elections and allowed the peoples choice prevailed.? It was to prove his critics wrong.

My brother

We must know that politicians can do anything to win even if it will set the nation ablaze

Now let's ask for evidence before we drink/ bath salt, bitter kola and water

lakhadimar: YOU ARE CRAZY.
Someones father died and this is the condolence you can come up with. Must everything be about Jonathans 2015 ambition?
You Jonathanians make me sick walahai !

Why won't I be crazy to you just because I asked that he should be cross-examined properly before crucifying your most hated enemy GEJ

I know you will believe him because his comment paints GEJ as a culprit

chucky234: What has election got to do with the death of my dad?

NL is full of people who can set this nation on fire

That is why people like me decided to become more vocal in making sure their evil arrow is halted

Imagine some people using monikers that make them appear to be from one part of the country so as to use it to demoralise the people

When your father complained of poor equipment and 500naira allowance instead of 3000naira, why didn't you open a thread like SIRIUSBLACK to draw the president's attention.

I repeat

Give more evidence to convince us that you are not one of those who are here to set the nation ablaze.

chucky234: Will post pic later, I'm not in a good mood right now.

Until then, I don't believe you

Gbawe: You must be out of your mind. Senseless maniac. Take your clannish and ethnocentric support for GEJ and shove it where the Sun don't shine. Thoughtless Idiat. Leave the guys thread if you are here for your usual "worship GEJ at all cost" nonsense.

Everybody can't be as dull as you

Election is nearby

Someone who never talked about his daddy when he was alive, just come online and talked about his dad's death and you believe him

Guy are you up to 18

Picture of his dead dad in military uniform or I don't believe

chucky234: He called me some weeks back and was complaining about the poor and inadequate amunition given to them, in Liberia and Sierra Leone was more than enough bullets for them to fight with but here they are given 30 to 60 bullets each day.
The current Commander in Chief, GEJ is not helping the nation, just 45 solidiers engaged 300 insurgents in a fiearce gun battle for 2 whole hours yet no land or air backup.
The soldiers fought till they ran out of bullets yet didnt run away but chose to die, this country is not worth dying for.

Post the picture of your father so that we can verify your info

We want to be sure that you are not an anti-GEJ who wants to stir up protest against GEJ

2015 is at the corner and people are ready to cook up stories to win sympathy votes to their political parties

sweetgala: Your Second point is faulted, We need to review our military intelligence process such that delicate information can not reach BH , and Nigeria is a multi-ethnic and multi-Religious nations and we can not discriminate based on a perceived fear of BH intrusion into our NA

BH are muslims

It is impossible to identify bad Muslims from good Muslims

So best policy is to quarantine the Muslims and deploy only Christian soldiers

I hope this anarchy will lead to war of disintegration

GEJ

Pls contest so that we can see the might of Arewa against the combine forces of SE SS and MB

If this occurs in Nigeria

Some slaves of Hausa-Fulanis will be shouting assasination

RoyalRoy: Damn

RoyalRoy: Damn

Real damn

The nurse na Boko Haram

This one wey shecow never talk since I hope sey Ebola never catch am

They have more potential than the South

But

Fear hate and pride have rob them of their potential

Until the North have change of orientation nothing good will sprout from that region

prinznazzy: Lwkmd....he dare nt claim 2 b frm d east....we can't hand nigeria 2 bunch of ppl dat wuld market us....n nw he has shown we made a mistake puttin faith in him

But

He said Igbos are the pillars of his government