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goldfish80:
If Arsenal had managed to bag Dembele on loan, what would have been Iwobi's position in this team?

Dembele at Celtic?? Isn't he a 9??

safarigirl:
just on your gen early for the next match and stop analysing what you don't know.

I don't have a need for a gen..haven't seen one in more than a decade.
I'll trust you to start talking about how Emery and every Arsenal fan hates Iwobi the next he doesn't start or gets subbed.
You're in for a big shock when you realize Emery sees Ozil and Ramsey as more important players

tbaba1234:
In the game against Chelsea, Iwobi was subbed. It was obvious that he was looking exhausted in that game. So performance was not necessarily the reason for that substitution because he was one of Arsenal's better performers.

Ramsey is not in direct competition with Iwobi.

Ramsey is also not in direct competition with Ozil.
But we know how Emery sets his teams up...two number 6s and a 8. He showed that today and we know what that means..Ramsey and Ozil both starting in this set up means Ozil goes to the wing and Iwobi likely drops. That's just the truth.
Iwobi will only be a regular if Emery plays Ramsey as a CM in a 4-2-3-1. Simple.

safarigirl:
stop deceiving yourself.

We are talking about the main league and you're telling me about pre-season games. Go siddon abeg. You know team, you know team, but you no know anything about their last two games.


Collect your L and go sleep. Na people like you dey peddle news say Emery go offload Iwobi before the season started. You will still collect another L when Iwobi proves you wrong.

Ramsey and Ozil are not competing for a place. No amount of Iwobi love will change that.
Ramsey and Ozil have been available together for 2 games and they both started one and Ramsey got dropped for the other.
Ramsey and Ozil are two of the biggest attacking players in the team and will both start together when they're fit. Facts!
As usual, it's not surprising you're tagging me an Iwobi hater because I've said something about him that you didn't like..
Oh well...it is what it is

safarigirl:
Wenger was obviously the coach when you were following them

This is Emery's team, not Wenger's team and since Emery has only played 3 league games this season, your idea that you know this team is laughable and ridiculous.

You don't know anything. This is not Arsene Wenger's Arsenal, so don't come here and be whining yourself that you know anything

But I know how Emery sets up and how he intends on using Ramsey.
He'll either play a 4-3-3 with Ramsey as a CM or a 4-2-3-1 with Ramsey as a 10 and Ozil out wide.
Ramsey and Ozil are not competing for the same place.
Anyhow you'll see for yourself in the next few games

safarigirl:
When Ozil started last week, Iwobi started against Chelsea. Ramsey came on as a sub for Ozil.

This week, Ozil was ill and Ramsey took his position, none of this affected Iwobi. If you don't know somtHing, swallow your pride and ask questions.


Your argument is baseless and wrong and like I said, you obviously need to start watching games, you must be getting your match news from some random beer parlour gist

If you don't know how Emery operates or followed Arsenal during pre season, just go sit somewhere.
Ramsey and Ozil are both part of his 5 captains. If you think Iwobi will have a regular run while Ozil and Ramsey drag for a spot, then it's obvious you don't know how Emery sets up his team or even Ramsey's main position

safarigirl:
was Ozil also ill when he started last week?

It is Ramsey that started because Ozil was ill

Did I say there wouldn't be games he would start?? Ramsey and Ozil will start alot of games. 75 percent of the time, it'll mean that Iwobi is benched unless one of Xhaka, Guendouzi and Torreira is injured.
Don't tell me about a team I been following since I was 6

safarigirl:
Ramsey was in THIS game and he did not get benched. Which return is Ramsey returning?

The confidence with which you guys just talk nonsense here ehn.........better fuel your gen next week and start match from the beginning.

You did not watch Iwobi at all, but you assume because he was subbed at HT he was awful. See as some of una dey reason. Based on what are you making these flawed assertions?

When they call you guys haters now, you will be forming yeye best interest

Iwobi started because Ozil got injured. I actually take getting called a hater as a compliment on here.

safarigirl:
i am telling you what obtains the last two games and you are telling me to go to the game against City.

For someone who sleeps beside Emery, you obviously don't know as much as you think you do of him

And I am telling you Iwobi only started today because Ozil was ill. Simple.

tbaba1234:
Iwobi was really good in the last game and was ok today. It has been a decent start to the season.

Some people thought he will not even get a look in.

I didn't watch the first half but for Emery to sub him off and leave Mkhi says something.
They'll be nothing surprising if he gets benched in the next game when Ramsey returns.

safarigirl:
which Ramsey?

The Ramsey that started in place of Ozil today abi another Ramsey? The Ramsey that came on for Ozil in their last game? You don't even know who is competing with who, yet you are talking with confidence. It is Ozil and Ramsey that are competing for a spot.

Do you even know where Iwobi plays? Abeg, next time if you no start match, just leave am.

Go and look at the starting line up against City before you talk.
If Ramsey comes in, he plays in the middle with XHAKA - Guendouzi /Torreira. Ozil moves to the right and Mkhitaryan moves to the left.
Do you really think Ozil and Ramsey are competing for the same position??

safarigirl:
Aubameyang is competing with Lacazette who put up a sterling performance today, I suppose Aubameyang should also be kept on his toes abi?

Like I said, talk another thing

Funny how he subbed the same Aubamayeng. Iwobi at the moment is essentially starting in place of Ramsey.
How long do you think that will last?

safarigirl:
Emery doesn't play around, but Aubameyanv has started 3 games with zero product......talk another thing abeg. You no even watch game, you come dey talk like say you and Emery dey share bed

Aubamayeng doesn't have Ozil and Welbeck to compete with.
Emery benched Ramsey after a poor performance yet you think it's Iwobi he wouldn't bench?
Oya tell me why him sub Iwobi?

Missed the first half of Arsenal's game. Was a bit surprised when I saw Laca coming on for Iwobi at half time.
Iwobi will probably not start the next game. Emery doesn't play around. He'll keep Iwobi on his toes for the rest of the season

Joebie:
The problem is who would you invite instead?
Do we have forwards scoring consistently? Or would you invite an equally average forward playing in a lower league? We are not spoilt for choices in attack.

Exactly my point. We just have to make do with Ighalo till one of the young strikers develop well enough.

Joebie:
Your past national team performance should be in present continuous terms. Etebo gave a good account of himself at the Mundial. You can’t be rewarding players based on that they did in 2016/2017 when since then they have been poor. Like I said earlier, we can only conclude that Etebo’s [/b]form has dropped when we assess him in the National team[b]. For uncapped players, we can only judge from recent club performances.

This was the point I was trying to make when I said Nacho wasn't in top form. But for some strange reason, it was seen as taking a jab at him.

Certitude:
The nigga doesn't press and doesn't drop deep. He play even behind the defence line when we are with the ball, and without the ball leaves pressing for Mikel who is supposed to be behind him.

It's not a regular occurrence! That's my point. I'm not denying he was piss poor at friendlies and the WC proper...I personally feel he was struggling with sharpness.
But when he is on form, he is easily our best choice as a LONE STRIKER. If Rohr permanently switches to a 3-5-2, then I'm cool with dropping him....but not when we play with one striker.

happney65:
Folks,

We can disagree by not calling ourselves names every now and then..Even though Most Trump Fans now realise theve been scammed,let us not add more to their misery..

Be you Pro or Anti Trump as I am,let's disagree without abuses or name calling.

I will so much appreciate that..

Thank You!

Agreed. It's actually the reason why I stay off this thread.
Let's keep it civilized folks...

Certitude:
Ighalo drop deep to where? Opponent goal. Stop making a case for peak Ighalo. Even at his peak, he wasn't useful to the NT.

In a 4-4-2?? As a lone striker?? Against Cameroon and Zambia in our WCQs.
He had a bad world cup. Simple as that.

Mickael2:
You are something oh.

You are arguing with someone who is busy bringing up a match against Aston villa. I mean that us faulty in all aspects. First of all this is Aston Villa, who even knows the names of those defenders there? I remember Ighalo having monster games against even Chelsea and Liverpool(he scored against Man U too) but then his go to game is against Aston Villa. sha let's say that's what he has. the second problem there is in what year did he actually play that match? Three years ago? I mean if we go by that wasn't it Ighalo that just scored a hattrick in the Chinese league? What's Iheanacho's most recent performance(s) in recent competitive games? This una argument no make sense just drop it

Nah man I'm tired of how people are making it look like Ighalo is a old fashioned target man that is just good in the air.
Ighalo is superb at taking players on. His finishing is inconsistent but to make it look like he's a stiff guy is nonsense.
Dude was bossing defenses in his first season at the epl.

TheGoodJoe:
It seems you do not even understand what mobility is. Nacho offers way more mobility to our offensive setup. Ighalo's style slows the team down offensively, especially off the ball. Not even a debate.

Nah rather you don't understand what mobility is. Ighalo is more mobile than Nacho. Ighalo has good movement and can actually dribble pass defenders when he wants to.
We're not talking about raw speed here.

fabyom:
You just fell for the Goodjoe's trap!! lloll. Yes Nacho is just as average as Ighalo. Simple. None of them is spectacular.

Bros we know. But as a lone striker, Ighalo any day of the week.

TheGoodJoe:
My answer is that Nacho offers more mobility, quickness and lethality in front of goal.

Finito.

Iheanacho does not offer more mobility. Go watch our games vs Cameroon and see why Ighalo is a better lone striker.
Podolski is a better finisher than Giroud but Giroud is a better lone striker than Podolski.
Get it?

TheGoodJoe:
So what is the debate about. We need a striker who offers us mobility, quickness, lethal finishing and the ability to drop deep and create for others.

Baffles me why power and holdup play becomes a top criteria over multitude of attributes others bring.

Baffling.

Nacho only trumps Ighalo at finishing. Because he can slip a final pass doesn't mean his link up play is superb.
Ighalo at his best is mobile and quick and of course can drop deep. Let's not forget that Ighalo too like Nacho thrives in a 2 striker formation, only difference is he can play the lone striker role better.
Oh and when I talk of holdup play, your mind seems to jump to the likes of Giroud, etc.
Suarez and Aguero both improved their hold up play after few seasons at epl. They can hold up play, beat a defender when necessary...something Nacho can't do at a consistent basis.
75 percent of Nacho's best games have been as a SS.

TheGoodJoe:
I have said the reason why some of you rave of lone striker talk is because you guys are used to conservative approach of long balls to strikers. If we talk with respect of controlled, cohesive, attacking play, we will need a player with movement and quickness. As pointed out, Nacho has thrived as a lone striker. It is just a myth. The top marksmen in the game today rely more on movement than power.

That is why you are talking of an outdated bullying of defenders.

My question to you is this - is Ighalo slow?

TheGoodJoe:
You definitely do not see the difference. The buzzing around you refer to is the strength Nacho brings to our team. The mobility disorganizes the opposition and gives our other players room to exploit.

Ighalo has shown to be able to do the same and hold the ball up better.
Ighalo major flaw is his finishing which isn't consistent enough.

TheGoodJoe:
Which one is dominating a player. I am talking of lighting the pitch on fire or scoring goals that have jaws dropping. Shooting with insane ability. In that respect, Nacho trumps. Not even a debate.

You said explosive. Use your words better. I don't think anyone here ever argued that Ighalo was a better finisher than Nacho.
The argument is who is the better option as a lone striker?? The answer to anyone who has watched both is Ighalo without a doubt.
My opinion of Nacho has been consistent way from time...Great finisher, good final pass and an average dribbler.
You said Ighalo never had the explosive start Iheanacho did at epl but I reminded you of his first season at Watford. Simple.

TheGoodJoe:
I wonder how this relates to the Algerian manager saying Nacho did well in the game against Algeria. You are abusing the word Finito.

No I'm not. Nacho did not lead the line well in that game. He just buzzed around unnecessarily. How many times did he link up play?? He pressed their defense and that was it.
In an attacking sense, he was average. Simple. Everyone here saw the difference when Ighalo came in against Cameroon and Zambia

TheGoodJoe:
Watch Nacho vs Aston Villa and see what an explosive performance looks like. Then tell me Ighalo ever came close to that.

Ighalo vs Liverpool. Show me one game where Nacho raped a big defender the way Ighalo did that day against Sakho.
Ighalo at his best dominated Sakho and Koscienly. Show me a game where Nacho has dominated a top 6 defender
Remember you said "explosive"...not me

TheGoodJoe:
Please, watch Nacho deliver the art of an a striker doing what I term the deep lying striking role where he drops deep and creates for a forward player. Look at his pass and tell me Ighalo can do this in his life time.

No disrespect to Ighalo.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvW__0WADtk

I watched this game. Now go watch the game where Ighalo scored twice against Liverpool. I can only find the goals to that game, but Ighalo raped Sakho that day.
You are indirectly proving my point that Nacho can't lead the line BTW

TheGoodJoe:
Lol. I doubt you have seen Nacho pass and cross.

You said "explosive". I have already said Nacho is a good finisher and has a better final pass.
But Nacho doesn't bully defenders the way peak Ighalo did.

TheGoodJoe:
I will take the words of a Manager of a team like Algeria and a top journalist in the country who agreed with the manager and explained why.

Finito.

I'll also take Rohr's word who brought back Ighalo and benched Nacho.
Finito