StillDtruth:


Offpoint yet again.

The topic is not "how the universe works"
No man understands how the universe works but the one thing we are certain about all over the world is that, no thing created itself nor is there any thing in the universe which is capable of creating itself out of nothing.

So God is automatically proven by the implication and real eyesation that no thng in this universe that we have seen and can see created itself.

If you have proof that God exist and he's real and not imaginary, you won't be here on nl arguing. Galileo didn't prove the sun is the center of the solar system by arguing, Newton didn't prove gravity by arguing, Einstein didn't prove relativity by arguing.

If you have proof that God exist, you will publish your findings detailing the experiments you carried out, the methodology you used, the statistics involved in the research and so on. Your publication will be checked and scrutinized by relevant authorities, which will then verify your claim. That is how you prove something. Not coming online to argue and regurgitate what you have been spoon fed and brainwashed to believe.

So far nobody has proved the existence of God and the fact you come online to argue about God shows you have no proof of his existence. You only bring God into the equation because you don't understand how the universe works and you have been too brainwashed to accept that fact.

Even scientists accept they don't know everything about the origin of the universe, but you religious folks who have never carried out one single experiment are claiming you know everything about the universe.

StillDtruth:


Out of poin!

We are talking about the things we see and have seen which is us and our universe, and not about God and His own "world and Universe" which we have never seen. So over the bar!

You don't understand how the universe works so you invented God to fill in the void even though you have no proof that this God created the universe.

MaxInDHouse:


They made me a lover of peace through their teachings otherwise as a soldier i supposed to be somewhere now using the talent to kill in mass but instead of killing now as a soldier of Christ Jesus i cash people alive! Luke 5:10

Millions throughout the earth have had the same experience and became lovers of peace! Isaiah 2:4

A lover of peace that comes to a faceless forum and calls people derogatory names when they don't agree with your beliefs. But offline when you go out and preach to people face to face you act like you are a saint. Jws and pretending are like 5&6.

StillDtruth:


Why do you always play ignorant?

You just admitted the pattern shows no thing comes out of nothing, does it not impliedly prove.that the things we see are all creations created by Some Super Great Person people call God?

So who created this God, or did he came out of nothing??

Balablue64:
Religious people are the most confused and deluded set of entities in this world.
I would like to venture into the pastor business somedays cos the way their pastors are cashing out on their foolishness is alarming.
Their God probably traveled the day junior pope died or he was eating pepper soup

If you venture into the pastor business and you are smart, you'll make a killing. Those guys don't think with their brain.

Veecruz:


Evil atheists, always taking opportunity to promote their evil anti God campaigne, where even people are praying for a young man not to die.

But evil atheist will always standby doing nothing but watch people die.

What evil, the evil will not do, does not exist!

Is it prayers that will save his life or hospital?

Religious people, always looking for every opportunity to promote their God delusion. When it seemed that John pope survived, they started yapping about how their imaginary God has performed miracle instead of rushing him to hospital. Now that pope has died, by their own pepper soup logic, what God cannot do actually exists.

CharlotteFlair:
Jehovah wickedness is the name.

The same Jehovah's witnesses that cover up rape cases?

LordReed:


You didn't even mention the main ones killing this country, bribery and corruption. The same politicians who loudly praise their god are the same ones keeping our commonwealth for themselves greedily.

To me it is a clear sign that they do not really believe in their religion or their god.

Very true. They believe in hell fire, yet they still commit sins that will take them there.

helinues:
Those who brought religion to us have moved pass it while we are still stuck here in Africa

you would expect people who claim to be custodians of morals to do better

MaxInDHouse:
In a place where there's only one legal tender but lots of counterfeits do you think the real money can make much impact in the midst of thousands of sources producing fake money?

Of course only one religion comes from the true God while the rest are false so try to see Nigeria as that place where the counterfeits are many in number you should know that the rate of crime in other places where there are few counterfeits will be much lesser compared to the place where counterfeit money thrives!

Your point?

Religious people fervently engage in their various religious activities. Christians go to church every sunday, they sing, they dance they pray. During Christmas period, they celebrate Christmas passionately, carry out various activities during lent, celebrate easter plus a host of other religious activities they engage in throughout the year. Muslims on the other hand also engage in their various religious activities like going to Mosque every Friday, fasting during Ramadan period, praying at various times of the week and so on.

Though there is nothing wrong with the above activities, what baffles me is that while they fervently and eagerly engage in these activities throughout their lives, they find it difficult to do the main thing that religion is supposed to be about which according to Jesus is to love one another, live a moral life and do good to others.

Take Nigeria which happens to be one of the most religious countries in the world for example. In Nigeria, all kinds of crime is the order of the day such as armed robbery, kidnapping, ritualism, corruption, fraud, extortion, stealing and so on plus moral decadence including prostitution, adultery, gossip, dishonesty, substance abuse and others which are perpetrated by the so called religious people. This makes me wonder- are they trying to deceive God?

Religion of confusion

God loves the world so much he will roast you in hell if you don't love him back... Those goat herders that wrote the bible don smoke wetin pass their power.

You can't blame him, the Bible contains more hogwash than Tinubu's campaign promises.

It seems Tinubu's tendency to achieve victory is robbing off on the super eagles.

Tinubu and victory are like 5&6

toujurs:
exactly my point we brag alot..and it's too bad..

very bad, bragging like children who have never won a match before.

Why not reserve all these noise until after lifting the cup??

All these noise and nigeria havent won anything yet.

you created a thread just to find out time for Nigeria match, something you could have googled easily

fuckingAyaya:
I pray u return back to ur senses bro, mortal man will always think he's fast to talk lol

Zombies that can't think for themselves. Little wonder pastors are ripping you people off.

fuckingAyaya:
Una dey find evidence to believe God truly exist, as per una mate or una fellow mortal being? Humans will always be foolish in their foolishness. That's why they are foolishly exploring other planets to look for their foolishness. Wereys that cant look at the sun na God wey bright pass sun una wan see omo ! any atheist that dies he will beg for 2seconds to correct many things on earth but he go don late. And the funniest part is that even if we die we cant see God except you're a saint without sin, yes.

This is typical of how a fraudster would respond when you ask him for evidence. He knows he has no evidence, so when you ask him for one, he comes up with all kinds of reasons and excuses why he can't provide you with one.

God is too big for me to ask for evidence of his existence, but he's not too big to want my worship and believe in him... What a confused God.

Elemosho478:



If they claimed the world is like a computer program, can a computer program be capable of self awareness and consciousness and do something the programmer didn't program it or allowed it to do. According to their own logic it mean God is responsible for all suffering and tragedy on earth because the world is his program and design and there shouldn't be something like sins against God because there's no way we can act in a way that God don't like if God the programmer didn't program us that way, even denying God existence is part of the program and we shouldn't be capable of doing something like that unless God programmed us that way. So what are they mad about atheists for or what is all the noise about committing sins against God is exactly ? the world is like a computer program nothing should be possible in it unless God the programmer programmed us that way according to that logic.

Exactly. If God exists, then everything humans can do, God gave us the ability to do it since we didn't design ourselves. There are so many ways God could have designed humans, if truly he doesn't want us to sin, he would have created us in such a way that we can't sin, in fact there will be nothing like sin anywhere in the universe. But humans have flaws, that shows we weren't created by a flawless perfect designer.

Religious fanatics will tell you Satan brought sin into the world, but then again, who created Satan? who designed him in such a way that he can bring sin into the world??

I know say Chelsea go follow.

SharingIsLife:
One thing I admire about most atheists like Botragelad is their absolute sincerity and open-mindedness. They are willing to listen to reason, and even God is quoted in the Bible as saying, "come let's reason together" (Isaiah 1:18). So, I urge religious people like Jesusjnr2020 not to become defensive against their offensive. Instead, depending on the Holy Spirit, take time out of Christian love to explain to them.

I see that sincerity in him and so here I am to reason with him. So, this is my response to you Botragelad...

When you cite snippets of history featuring the likes of Galileo, you are actually referring to the fallibility of religion. There is a clear difference between religion and God.

If you had said you don't believe in religion, I would have had little issues with you. But to say you don't believe in God because of those reasons you gave up there

When I read the following from you, I was forced to ask you what you understand by the word "God":



By the word "God", I simply understand the Creator of this Universe you and I are a part of - just like Zuckerberg is the creator of Facebook (though in a far lesser sense). So, how can you say there is no convincing evidence for the existence of God when everything actually proves his existence, including yourself and your brain that you're using to write this up there? Otherwise, tell me how your brain and yourself could have been a product of chance event.

Yes, I agree with your assertion that our beliefs should not be based on fear like many people who claim to be Christians do. Even the Bible itself says it again and again, "fear not" and that "the just shall live by faith" - not by fear. So, just like you, I don't agree with Christians who try to appeal to death as our reasons to believe in God because that actually contradicts the viewpoint of the Bible.

What I preach is that you look at the world and know that the world, beyond all doubts, is a product of a Real Conscious (or Superconscious) Being. This is absolutely undeniable. I don't see how you can deny this without being foolish.

As the Bible itself says, "the fool says in his heart that there is no God" (Psalm 53:1). Another scripture says, "you fools, why do you think that He who made the ear cannot hear or that He who made the eye cannot see?" (Psalm 94:8-9).

In line with that scripture above, I can equally ask you, "how can you have this powerful brain and you think that there's no Being who is responsible for its existence? And if you agree that there is such a Being, why would you think that such a Being would be incapable of thinking or reasoning or consciousness?"

If you have any objection to the existence of such a Being as I just described above, you let me know. But if you don't have any objection to it, it means that you have agreed that there is God because God is no other than the Creator of the world. I just described God in absolute existence and YOU are one undeniable evidence of His existence.

In your presentation there is a place where you said that atheists are "open to changing their minds if new (convincing) evidence or arguments are presented". So I ask, has my evidence or argument convinced you? If not, let me know how or why. Thank you.

Cc: Erad

There are so many possibilities as to how the universe came about. And presently, in the scientific community, nobody knows for sure how it happened and presently, all science have are possible explanations because science is being honest. You need to understand the difference between empirical evidence and hypothesis.

Your claim that an intelligent designer created the universe due to it's complexities is a valid claim, but it is a mere hypothesis (a possible explanation) not an empirical evidence (proof that can be reproduced, repeated and verified by whoever desires).

You believe with certainty that God exist and he created the universe not because of any empirical evidence but because you have been spoon fed and indoctrinated from birth to believe so.

there is always interconversion of people from one religion to another, it proves nothing.

Con men preying on the gullibility of Christians.

That's the power of indoctrination... christians have been spoonfed all these religious gibberish from childhood, so don't expect them to get sense any time soon.

Christianity is founded on falsehood, so don't expect any better.