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[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=671417.msg8367415#msg8367415 date=1306000179]@ekt_bear, Lets wait and see then.  Everyone knows what "renounce and abjure all allegiance to Nigeria" under oath  means.  Lets hope Nigerian Supreme court will see it the way you do. If not, you may not be a Nigerian any more, you may very well be an Akata   [/quote]Heh. Being an American citizen is not the worst thing in the world. There are substantial opportunities in this country as well.

PhysicsMHD:
3. A Nigerian governor cannot be a dual citizen

Not too clear. There is this case that Kilode references regarding Nigerian Democrats Party Vs INEC, involving a Nigerian-Canadian Presidential candidate and a Nigerian-American VP candidate.

Granted, this wasn't for governor specifically. But you'd expect the same ruling.

EDIT: See this, for example: http://www.orjikalu.com/pressdetail.php?start=125

Dede1:
This is a display of acute ignorance. Included in the link you submitted are these:

“A person who is considered a citizen by more than one nation has dual citizenship. It is possible for a United States citizen to have dual citizenship, for example by birth in the United States to a parent who is a citizen of a foreign country. Anyone who becomes a naturalized U.S. citizen is required to renounce any prior citizenship during the naturalization ceremony; however, this renunciation may not necessarily be considered effective by the country of prior citizenship.
United States citizens are required by federal law to identify themselves with a U.S. passport, not with any foreign passport, when entering the US. The Supreme Court case of Afroyim v. Rusk declared that a U.S. citizen did not lose his citizenship by voting in an election in a foreign country, or by acquiring foreign citizenship, if such acts did not require him to explicitly renounce his U.S. citizenship.”

Let me spell it out very SLOWLY and CAREFULLY for you, since you are a m.oron. That oath taken? In particular, this sentence:

that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;

However you want to interpret it, it doesn't constitute a loss of previous citizenship. That is the whole point of these series of US Supreme Court rulings.

If the USA Supreme Court case you cited had allowed unalloyed dual citizenship, the concerned citizens should be allowed into USA with the passport of another country.

Lol. So that you take is evidence of dual citizenship in the US not being permitted? That dual citizens are expected to use their US passport to enter the US? You are a dumbass. We are done speaking.

I dunno why I bother arguing with dumbasses like you. Not a very productive use of time.

Dede1:
I guess the person who has exhibited stupidity in this argument and lack of comprehension is you. It is either you do understand the connotation of USA Supreme Court case you cited or it did not deliberate on the renunciation subject or the oath administered during naturalization ceremony. Despite the case you citied, the oath ceremony is till administered to naturalized citizens today.

Again, the case simply stated  that naturalized citizens of USA are free to return to the country of birth and enjoy all privileges yet return as a citizen of USA. This ruling does not say anything about renunciation of citizenship as held by Nigeria or USA in that matter.

You are truly an i.d.iot. The oath by itself doesn't constitute a renouncement of foreign citizenship (at least from the US end of things.) This is the interpretation of the law given by the US Supreme Court.

Otherwise, if that oath DID constitute a renouncement of foreign citizenship, then that would mean that the US would not recognize naturalized citizens as dual citizens. Which it does.

Now, as everyone here has noted, from the Nigerian end, perhaps things are different. Perhaps that oath means that Nigeria refuses to recognize any such people who took that oath as Nigerian citizens. However, I wouldn't suggest holding your breath waiting for this outcome.

^-- My posts were to debunk the stupidity posted here:
[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=671417.msg8366381#msg8366381 date=1305988335]Dede1,
If indeed Ajimobi is a naturalized citizen of the USA, then by definition, he must have renounced his Nigerian citizenship. Many naturilized US citizens from Nigeria, keep using their Nigerian passports illegaly - even after renouncing their Nigerioan citizenship as required, in order to become a US citizen. If Ajimobi were a naturalized citizen of any other country, he would have been OK.

wahala dey for Ajimobi o.[/quote]At least from the American side, it should be clear from the posts above that what you posted is 100% wrong. . . . that oath in no way is a renouncement of foreign citizenship. As the US Supreme Court rulings have made clear.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=671417.msg8367320#msg8367320 date=1305999015]@ekt_bear, it is unbecoming of you to call people who disagree with you stup.id or trolling. There is no denying that if you are a Nigerian citizen, in order to become a naturalized USA citizen, you will swear under oath as follows:

I hereby declare, on oath,

•that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;

The state and sovereignty refered to above would be Nigeria.  It is also a fact that the Nigerian supreme court can rule that, having taken such an oath, you would have given up your Nigerian citizenship, regardless of any US supreme court pronouncement. Lets wait for the Supreme court of Nigeria to rule on this issue, if at all it gets to them.

If indeed Ajimobi took such an oath, I submit to you that, the supreme court of Nigeria can and should rule that he indeed renounced his citizenship. Now, if Ajimobi is not a naturalized US citizen, then the whole point is moot.

What is so difficult to understand about what I've just written?[/quote]So you are arguing that the supreme court of Nigeria "can and should rule" that all such people who took that oath (i.e., all naturalized Nigerian-Americans) have forfeighted their Nigerian citizenship?

This is what you expect to happen?

Lemme put it this way. . . I hope that you aren't holding your breath for that outcome.

^- ;d ;d ;d

Man I dunno if C or even C++ is a good first language to first learn to program with.

You spend too much time focusing on low-level bookkeeping.

I really think the best way to start is to start with a high-level programming language. You can always master more low-level languages later.

Dede1:
It is unfortunate you select a statement that pleases your plank of argument. But you chose to overlook the fact Ajimobi can not enjoy every privilege a citizen in good standing gets in USA because he has skeletons in closet by his stealth allegiance to Nigeria.

How on earth am I selectively choosing statements? I'm choosing ruling from the Supreme Court of the US. The final arbiter on the law of this land. Of what relevance is any other authority?

The link you posted did not deny the fact any naturalized USA citizen renounces the citizenship of another country during citizenship ceremony. Whether USA enforces such clause or not is very irrelevant.

Are you being s.tupid here on purpose, or trolling like ndu_chucks? In the former case, I suggest you educate yourself about this topic. Reread more slowly what has been posted already regarding the laws. If the latter, then I'll ignore you.

Further, the article stated the fact America allows dual citizenship does compel another country to accept it.

What USA does with its enforcement of citizenship has no legal bearing on Nigeria.

Of course, this is obvious. I stated this already.

However, the point of my post was to debunk silly statements like this

Dede1:
I do not know how many people who contributed to this thread are naturalized American citizen and still insinuate Ajimobi did not renounce his Nigerian citizenship.
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If Ajimobi is a naturalized citizen of USA, where he could vote and be voted as governor, he did renounce his citizenship of another country, including Nigeria, the day he attended the citizenship ceremony in USA.

@Dede1:
I am not claiming that because the US allows dual citizenship, Nigeria must allow the same.

But the point is that, contrary to the misleading and erroneous posts of both you and ndu_chucks, Ajumobi did NOT resign his Nigerian citizenship by virtue of becoming a naturalized American (if he in fact is an American citizen now, something he denies.)

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=672107.msg8362406#msg8362406 date=1305925194]If it seems there is a gulf between the two, there is — literally. Eko Atlantic is an artificial island, just offshore, being created entirely from scratch, built of sand dredged from the ocean floor. It will be 7 km wide, extend about 2 km out to sea and house 250,000 residents, with offices for 150,000 commuters. A scale model at the offices of its developers, South Energyx Nigeria, features gin-clear canals, giant malls, three marinas, trams, the island's own power station and a sail-shaped 55-story skyscraper that will be the new headquarters for a Nigerian bank. David Frame, South Energyx Nigeria's managing director, calls Eko Atlantic "the new face of Africa." [b]Onno Ruhl, country head for the World Bank, goes even further, calling it the future Hong Kong of Africa. But plans for Lagos' renovation don't end offshore. Eko Atlantic is the centerpiece of a city redevelopment strategy whose ambition is simple and astonishing: take one of the world's worst cities and make it one of the best. "This is a real attempt to prove Lagos can be an economic powerhouse and a gateway to Africa," declares Frame. Ruhl says, "It's an amazing thing, not least because it actually looks like it will happen."
[/quote]So sexy

The Supreme Court of the US is the FINAL arbiter on US law.

Regardless of how you are interpreting the oath taken, naturalized Nigerian-Americans retain their Nigerian citizenship (at least, from the US end.)

Now, Nigeria might feel differently about the situation. But from the US end, there is no confusion.

@ndu_chucks:

I am beginning to suspect you are trolling. Certainly you cannot be so s.tupid.

[size=18pt]In Schneider v. Rusk 377 U.S. 163 (1964), the US Supreme Court ruled that a naturalized U.S. citizen has the right to return to his native country and to resume his former citizenship, and also to remain a U.S. citizen even if he never returns to the United States.[/size]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#Dual_citizenship

For the love of God

read what I linked to.

I went through this naturalization process too some years ago and didn't lose my Nigerian citizenship (I asked them specifically about this.)

There is no point in us discussing if you won't read the info widely available.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=671417.msg8366738#msg8366738 date=1305992757]he must have renounced his Nigerian citizenship because that action is a prerequisite for becoming a naturalized US citizen. Ajimobi gave up his Nigerian citizenship by the renounciation process required by US law![/quote]False. Read the link I posted

One party states. . . not a good idea.

This is too much.

koruji:
The entire point is that if someone was voted in a free-and-fair election, all sides must learn to recognize the supremacy of the people's vote.

End of story, really.

^-- I'd imagine that for financial (and possibly other) reasons, Edo would look into joining the SS.

But yeah, that seems about right. Western Kogi is Yorubaland though, and comes with us if Nigeria splits.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=671417.msg8366381#msg8366381 date=1305988335]If indeed Ajimobi is a naturalized citizen of the USA, then by definition, he must have renounced his Nigerian citizenship.[/quote]Nope, US allows dual citizenship: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#Dual_citizenship

It is possible that Nigeria does not; I don't know (but think it does.)

Very interesting interview.

zstranger is one of those bad belle people

beebee2000:
so pls ekt_bear can u recommend any books for python?

Hehe, I actually chose to learn a different scripting language (Ruby). I'm only talking in hindsight. . . for a variety of reasons, I wish I'd put my time into Python instead.

Anyway, rather than buying a book, for now I'd suggest going to their website (http://www.python.org/) and taking a look at the documentation (http://www.python.org/doc/). This beginner's guide for example (http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide) looks very useful. You can download python, write some scripts yourself on your computer.

Then once you've worked through some online tutorials to get a sense of the language, you can then buy (or if cheap like me and not too concerned about violating copyright, bittorrent) a book to get deeper into the language.

KnowAll:
[b]De Soto is bringing to the fore some salient economic theories if painstakingly followed through would bring economic prosperity to many down and trodden in the slums of Lagos. The $50 billion black economy lying dormant in Lagos is only a tip of the ice-berg. Brownfield development in Nigeria and in Lagos in particular is something that has been neglected for ages and needs to be addressed.

Take for example all those shanties when you are on the 3rd mainland bridge heading towards Lagos from Oworonsoki, on your right you would see Unilag foreshore and after that you come to some real rotten shanties by Bariga and Ebutte-Metta waterside, in any economy these are prime land for waterside development. What De soto is saying if you compensate this so called or supposedly landlord by recognising their deeds on the land considering the potential of that land, these down and trodden Nigerians can effectively be empowered by accepting a relative huge sum they would get from such transaction and move somewhere else, probably their own states where things would be a lot cheaper and the purchasing power of the compensation money given to them would go far.

If this can be done, urban renewal of cities would be achievable and  luxurious flats that are in a dire need in Lagos would come on stream. The reason why lagos has one of the highest rental income especially on the Island and exorbitant hotel rates when compared with many cities in the world is because of the scarcity of desirable property.

Afterall it was the slum known as Marako that became Lekki Today, discerning investors should be able to embark on a radical quest to acquire prime lands in Lagos that are currently at the hands of the down and trodden.

So De Soto makes sense.
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+1000, brilliant post.

The devil is in the details, but the kernel of this idea is sound.

Desola:
With its proximity to Lagos, Ogun state should be smiling, but alas, the opposite is the reality. A good number of these industries would readily invest in Ogun state if we had a governor who possess' half of Fashola's vision and capabilities. As a matter of fact, the whole of SW should be smiling for the kinnd of investments they would derive via Lagos but the egotistical lots can not look beyond their own importance. I really hope that Ogun can at least see this as a wake up call and start to work with Lagos. I mean, what does Lagos have(except the sea port) that Ogun does not possess or could not develop? Ogun can seriously help in decongesting Lagos.

I am an indegene of Lagos and as much as there are many positives in this article; I am also not in denial about its stark negatives. Ogun states should now position itself as a very attractive alternative to these industries.

Well said. Amosun has no reason not to perform.

I'm a fan of scripting languages. I'd suggest learning Python, if you are going to try to learn programming from scratch.

Master that language, then it'll be easy to learn new ones later.

Sounds like a true democrat, this guy.

Great video, hilarious

lmao @ MC Hamas, Tupakistani, and Notorious B.I.N. Laden at the end

So, it is against the principle of equity and justice to give the Speaker to the South-West that produced only three members of the House of Representatives on the platform of PDP. It is sinful . It does not make sense and I suggest that before the inauguration of the House, the matter should be re-visited and remedied.

Well, it produced 5 PDP members. And even if it had only produced one, if the agreement before the election was to zone the speakership to the SW, then it must go to the SW.

Otherwise you are reneging.

akintun:
Lagos debt in the short-term is OK, but i foresee the state having problems in the long term because its bonds are high yield bonds when compared to the developed world. The state revenue shows that more money would have to be borrowed to repay its debt(ponzi scheme). I believe the state would be aggressive in its revenue drive to avoid defaulting on its debt.

Half of the debt is low-interest debt from the World Bank, organizations like that.

Other half is at like 13% or so, iirc