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I saw this which was published in 2008.

....Rooney is far happier to take a back seat and sacrifice himself for the sake of our club. Fergie has today conceded that it his willingness to allow Rooney to do this which has cost him the praise he deserves.
“I have to take a bit of responsibility for it,” Fergie said. “He’s sacrificed himself and never complained about it, which says a lot for the lad. He will score goals. He scored a couple against Aston Villa last season after not scoring for seven games and I thought that would have catapulted him into a good run, but we kept using him in different positions. We need to define his role better. I think his best position is through the middle, either a front role or tucking in just behind. He can play either role very well. He is aggressive, has two feet, good pace, he has the courage to get in the box. It’s great credit to the lad that he never complains. Some players know what their best position is and they don’t want to challenge themselves in any other one, but Wayne would play centre half [if he was asked to].”
Players showing their willingness to be versatile is an important characteristic, and one that comes when they have the club at the top of their list of priorities. Roy Keane started in the 2004-2005 season in the centre of defence, Ryan Giggs ended the 2005-2006 season playing as a central midfielder, Owen Hargreaves slotted in at right back on several occasions last season. No player should be ‘too big’ to play this sacrificing role, whereby their performance is likely to be less dazzling, less impressive and less worthy of praise. The club has to come first. Every time Rooney plays out wide, to accommodate the different tactics we’ve employed in Europe, as well as making room for the likes of Ronaldo, Tevez and Nani, he is putting United’s glory ahead of his own, which is admirable.
Can’t praise him enough and I’m glad to see Fergie taking some of the burden of the criticism off Rooney’s shoulders.

parrotibaba:
2007/2008 season? guy e be like say u started supporting united newly ,Saha rarely played for united dat season n when he played was in d beginning of season after Rooney got injured against reading in our opening match ,when he returned ,he played behind tevez n dia combination was superb ,d match against hull city comes to mind ,Giggs/Nani/park started on d left while cr7 was on d right with d likes of carrick ,hagreaves(wen fit) n scholes playing in d midfield with Anderson when called upon

He also played many matches on the left, particularly when SAF used 4-3-3 in difficult away games. There were also matches Ronaldo was used as the striker. In the UCL Rooney was mostly used in the wing.

[quote author=parrotibaba post=30351906]During Cristiano Ronaldo’s time at Old Trafford, Rooney sacrificed himself to play on the left wing. After Ronaldo’s departure, he took the mantle of main goalscorer. After Robin van Persie’s arrival, he again shifted to his favored #10 role. Under van Gaal, he has played as a forward (#9), playmaker(#10) and has now shifted to a box-to-box midfielder role(#.

http://thinkfootball.co.uk/how-has-wayne-rooney-developed-into-a-midfielder-under-louis-van-gaal/

parrotibaba:
on the Moyes/Dortmund issue ,I think u need to go back to school unless u clarify d statement dat I just quoted

Ask yourself why is it you are the only one asking questions on this.

parrotibaba:
on the Rooney/wing issue ,Rooney rarely played on d wing in his entire united career ,his first two seasons he played as an ss behind van nilsteroy n saha ,so I don't know where u got dat idea from

2007/2008 Red Devil Attack-

United had an extremely dangerous front line. Wayne Rooney, Cristiano Ronaldo, Carlos Tevez, Nani, and Louis Saha were all capable of playing positions up front and all of them were dangerous scoring threats (even Louis Saha, when healthy). The most frequent starting lineup had Carlos Tevez starting centrally, while Cristiano Ronaldo would start on the right wing and Wayne Rooney would start on the left wing. There are few attacking lineups that could be more potent. Ronaldo scored 42 goals in 49 appearances, Tevez scored 19 in 48 appearances, and Rooney picked up 18 in 43 appearances. These three players scored 79 out of United’s 103 goals.

http://redrants.com/the-tactics-board-is-fergies-solution-the-4-2-1-3/


* I will try and fetch you more evidence. Even SAF explained in 2011 why he had to use Rooney in the wing for stretch of games.

parrotibaba:
did u smoke salt? is Moyes at Dortmund or Real sociedad ?

Parrotibaba. Eze goes to school.

parrotibaba:
dats a fat lie

Rooney's first two seasons were basically from the wings. In other seasons he got plenty games in the wings too.

For England, he had always been in the wing mostly.

parrotibaba:
did u sell zaha? Fact is Zaha was never given any chance to play at united

It's being reported the lad has been sold. Na me talk am?

He was given a chance to prove himself at Cardiff and Palace.

Robinho
Jo
Wright Phillips
Adebayo
Negredo
Barry
Onuoha
Lescott
Balotteli
Tevez
Craig Bellamy
Etc

City made hard choices to get a stabilized team. Even if it means taking Rooney, RVP, Mata, Fellaini to be flushed out to get a team as good as Bayern and Madrid. So be it. Who get time for delay for modern football? Ofcourse there will always be some payers lost who will do well else where. Like Robben and Ibrahimovic who became world class in new clubs. Part of what happens when a coach makes hard choices.

chrisley024:
He needs good mgt but it's unfortunate it is not yet available like how Ronaldo had it.

May be football then and now is different. Chelsea, Man City, Madrid, Barca, (even Bayern recetly) have killed that process of having to give talented youth a few seasons to come great through regular first team football. Players and managers are not patient anymore.

Even we fans aren't patient at all. Coogar and I always question Januzaj decision making. Ronaldo was terrible in decision making when he first arrived with his too much leg overs that often made him lost possession.

Note also that we haven't a balanced team to accommodate learners. Bayern Munich and Madrid can afford to accommodate even Ayila of Falconets against small opponents and still come out victorious.

chrisley024:
After only a game? It's unfair some players are shut out of the team after some very few game time poor performance while others can be shyte for a longer time and yet keep making the 1st team.

I am sure if we were doing well, he would have been given more playing time. But how does a coach sacrifice when he is struggling? The most difficult thing was that Zaha went to Cardiff and was relegated to the bench after a a few games. What does that tell anyone? He has only had two 90 minutes for Palace this season.

Zaha at Cardiff
Mins played 585 (5 starts, 7 subs).
Pass accuracy 79%
Dispossessed every 15 minutes. The worst in Cardiff.
Unsuccessful touch every 34 minutes. Second worst player for Cardiff.

Zaha at Palace
Mins played 776 (9 starts, 7 subs).
Pass accuracy 77%
Dispossessed every 43 minutes. The worst behind Chamakh.
Unsuccessful touch every 33 minutes. Second worst player behind Chamakh.

This season for instance, Zaha only had 90 minutes against Sundrland and Villa. His playing time keeps deteriorating. He hardly gets picked against teams occupying the top 8 position in the EPL. Even when he manages to feature he gets less than 25 mins of playing time. No doubt he is a good dribbler, but not at all a good footballer for the now.

Louis van Gaal has conceded that David de Gea could be lured to the Bernabeu by Real Madrid - but has stressed Manchester United will fight to keep their number one.
The Spaniard is rated by United captain Wayne Rooney as the best goalkeeper in the world after a sensational season of points saving, man of the match displays from the 24-year-old.
But there has been radio silence over a new agreement and Real remain a huge threat.
Asked if De Gea was going to sign a new deal Van Gaal replied, “I think that is also a question between the player and the board of Manchester United."
But pressed as to whether the manager feared his goalkeeper would leave for La Liga if a deal wasn't done in the near future he added, "Everything is possible in the world of football. We want to keep him.”
[Source: M.E.N]

BREAKING NEWS:
Ángel Di María's house was broken into by armed robbers on Saturday evening, smashing his patio doors leaving him and his family very shaken.

[Source: The Sun, M.E.N]

coogar:
martinez is doing very well. he's going through the second season syndrome. it happens. martinez is currently 12th on the table. hardly a crisis!

moyes finished 17th in his first full season at everton. yes, he built the club so well. a manager that spent 12 seasons in a club and failed to win at anfield, emirates, old trafford & stamford bridge is a disgrace.

moyes is a failure.



these things happen......
klopp won the league at dortmund twice, played in the final of elite europe. moyes won nothing in 12 seasons @ everton. martinez won FA cup for wigan.

a loser is a loser.



rooney at 22 is different from rooney at 29. why not resign beckham then, if it's about past glory? rooney that cannot outpace mascherano is who you want to put on the wing?



ronaldo was sold, rooney & berbatov must be better than him. bale was sold, lennon must be better than him. pique was sold, o'shea must be better than him.

strawman argument!

* Moyes did not inherit an Everton team which finished 4th-7th, but a relegation batting side. You see the difference.

* klopp: You said these things happen. Lol. Same way Moyes was the victim of circumstance at Man United. It could have still happen to SAF. According to the analysis I met on the thread, Klopp was suppose to be better than SAF. So if it happened to Klopp, it could have happened to SAF. Moyes fall enter aged team.

* Till Rooney plays in the wing before you say. In 2012/13 he won a MOTM playing n the right wing in a certain match. He scored two goals.

* You want to compare Ronaldo and Bale sale to that of Zaha? Ronaldo asked to go, Zaha is a reject. You think Zaha is a happy man now?

It's almost a year since Moyes was sacked. We cannot blame our calamities on Moyes forever for the very rot which were emanating already with Scholes' departure and aging players.

Anyone blaming Moyes but exonerating Gaal is indirectly saying Gaal is incompetent. How long did it take Tottenham new coach to improve the team when AVB was sacked.

After being notified early he was the new coach while Giggs held brief. After inheriting Mata and Fellani as new additions. After a well planned preseason,. After spending £150m. After 23 matches. Manchester United fans still exonerate Gaal but think Moyes should be blamed for the club issues. Life is unfair due to man inhumanity to man.

coogar:
how was it evident in the line up you wrote that valencia was better than zaha? united scored all their goals while zaha was on the pitch. valencia made no difference to the scoreline. are we back to pulling conjectures from the air to sway arguments in 2015?

I will assume then you didn't see the match or you have forgotten about it. You may as well refer back to the comments on this thread or match day thread. Zaha was an Ekwe Sample in the match.

coogar:
martinez faced moyes twice last season with an inferior team & he took 6 points off moyes. moyes is the fool here.



what has moyes gotta do with dortmund? you mean moyes is better than klopp?

* Where is Martinez now? Does he want to take Everton to relegation? A team Moyes built so well?

* On Dortmund. I mean, a team that were serious title contenders last seasons, has been turned to a relegation battling team by Moyes. If only Klopp were around, Dortmund would be 3 points behind B.Munich at the worst.

coogar:
rooney can't play from the wings, he's too slow and he cannot dribble.

ronaldo at 18 is better than adnan @ 19.




he's better than valencia.

Rooney has played in the wing almost as same time he has played in the middle in his Man United career. And even England. Last match he did well everytime he went to the wing, and he even gave a cross from an almost impossible angle/situation.

* Zaha is better than Val, yet he was sold? Why always unused players seen as better?

Man Utd 2-0 Wigan

Man Utd
01 De Gea
02 Rafael (Smalling 16)
03 Evra
04 Jones
15 Vidic
11 Giggs (Anderson 67)
16 Carrick
23 Cleverley yellow card
19 Welbeck (Januzaj 83)
20 Van Persie (Januzaj 84)
29 Zaha (Valencia 61)

Substitutes
13 Lindegaard,
06 Evans,
12 Smalling,
08 Anderson,
25 Valencia,
26 Kagawa,
44 Januzaj


* This was the match it was immediately evident that Valencia was miles ahead of Zaha. Zahba was our worst player. When Val came on the difference was immediately seen.

We can see that Moyes wanted to help Zaha but Zaha ws not ready.

coogar:
hargo played in the reserves to gain fitness. zaha wasn't injured or serving any punishment. apples & oranges!



moyes was just a stüpid man.
he mismanaged zaha - nothing to do with seeing anything clearer. with the shower of shyte valencia served last season, could zaha have performed any much worse?

Every time Zaha got a chance, he performed worse than Val. I think there was even a match both featured. The difference was '7up'.

coogar:
madrid team without ronaldo?
oh please - united would destroy them from casillas to benzema. moyes got killed......no excuses abeg.

he lost to vallecano & villareal mauled him 4-0 too. i guess these 2 teams will beat united too according to your logic. moyes has failure in his DNA. if he manages bayern, they will miss champions league spot.

na today Madrid the beat teams mercilessly without Ronaldo? Abeg Moyes is doing well. Martinez is the goat.

* let me divert. Who is the Moyes in Dortmund?

coogar:
young - hardly fit
nani - loan
mata - number 10
rooney - number 10
januzaj - rookie + hit/miss.

we have no out & out wingers. valencia is a möron. his decision making is substandard for a club like ours.

young - hardly fit -------- at least he was fit for a while, and played with Di Maria.
nani - loan----------------- can be recalled.
mata - number 10------- played many times in the wing for Chelsea.
rooney - number 10----- Can play from the wing.
Januzaj------- doing better than when CR7 just arrived from Portugal. Far better than Zaha.



Zaha = Pius Ikedia. Lots of dribbling but can't see team mate taking position.

coogar:
we are playing wingbacks cos valencia is mostly shytë. if we had proper wingers, we would be playing 4-3-3. the squad has no balance & LVG wants to shoehorn all his top players in the same team.




SAF bought zaha for £15m. a player who is yet to play in the top division for that amount means SAF rated him & he wouldn't have brought him to OT without playing him in big games. even bebe that was playing in division 3 in portugal got league games under his belt.

zaha never flopped at OT, he wasn't even tested at all & that is my frustration with his situation. tosic was no wonder winger - he's a foreigner who must still prove he can adapt to the rigours of the english league.

zaha wouldn't have needed that - he played in the championship league - a much physically tougher league than the premier league. he ended up being their best player there. why would he fail under SAF? even if he had failed, he woulda been tested. moyes never tested zaha. he just kept him away from football.




which nonsense reserve team?
why would zaha be motivated to play in the reserves? a player that is a cult hero in crystal palace? it's the likes of adnan & blackett that would appreciate playing for reserves, not zaha.

Who is Zaha? A championship player. When Owen Bhagreaves played some games for reserve. Tosic, an already established national team player was virtually relegated to the reserves by SAF.

Occassions warrants playing for the reserves and it enables the coach to see clearer.

coogar:
we are playing wingbacks cos valencia is mostly shytë. if we had proper wingers, we would be playing 4-3-3. the squad has no balance & LVG wants to shoehorn all his top players in the same team.

How is Val shyte?

Even if Val is shyte, we have Di Maria, Young, Januzaj, Nani, Mata, Rooney, who can all play from the wings. Your excuse can't fly.

coogar:
na that mumu moyes & SAF's brief decision to leave man utd that caused this mess. look at the nonsense job moyes is doing at sociedad already. he got skewered 4-1 over the weekend. his days are numbered in la liga.

he's shyte!

Na you write this one?

Madrid will beat Man United by same Margin or even more. How dem dey call dat club, MK Dons? How many dem beat us? How many teams in Europe can stop Madrid from scoring four?

coogar:
so SAF bought zaha as a decoration or an expensive ornament to just display on the bench?

the examples you keep bringing out does not suit zaha situation. pique wasn't as good as any of our centre backs when he was here.

zaha was better than valencia when we got him. he was going to replace valencia when SAF suddenly retired.

My argument is that SAF bought several players who we thought were going to replace the old ones, but they never did. There was so much praises following the 'capture' of tosic, 'a wonder winger'.

Most of these young players get exposed when they play for the reserve after having failed in the first team. Same with Zaha. When you play for U-21 and you not standing out, how do you get into the senior team?

Where do you guys think Zaha will play in Gaal's wing back philosophy? We aren't playing traditional wingers anymore.

coogar:
this is why zaha shoulda been given plenty of chance at united. he was shining in his own little way before we bought him. why did moyes even refuse to start him last season even when most of our wingers were poor in form?

abeg, zaha should never forgive SAF for causing this mess. SAF bought him over and left him stranded for a möronic manager like moyes. what does moyes know about coloured skin young players?

Don't blame coaches until you have been a coach. Coaches see what we don't see. Sincerely, SAF woudnt play Zaha over Valencia. I am sure of that. Just the way he wouldn't have played Pique over Ferdinand, Vidic and Brown except they were injured. But Pique went on to become a highly rated defender for years at Barca, and started making mockery of SAF for not believing in him.

That's football.

SailorXY:
I don't think its same bro. Zaha himself said he never, for one minute, trained under SAF.

personally, I don't believe he was given a chance to even fail here.

The coaches know these players far far more than we do. Even in trainings you see a lot. Just tell me how many player who Moyes or Gaal sidelined that are doing great?

Do you think Tosic and Bebe were given chance to fly or fail? Tosic didn't have much playing time.

Zaha was shyte in two competitives games he featured for us that I saw at the beginning of last season. I think one was the shield. He was the worst player. Adnan clicked away even as he was already rated. Zaha went on loan last season and failed woefully.

A coach makes hard choices. So Gaal has. We wish Zaha goodluck. Even if he turns CR7, e no mean. The team is too large jor. See Rafael, Mata, Herrera, Fellaini can't find space. When we buy midfielder(s), one or two of Rooney, RVP and Falcao will join. Summer go tough o. Some more hard choices.

coogar:
tosic, bebe & obertan all won the player of the year in england before they were signed. very brilliant analogy you have got there.....

NOT!

Ronaldo, Nani, Anderson, Ince, Giggs, Beckham, Oshea, Brown. How many of these won player of the year in England before we signed them. But they all hit on arrival.

SailorXY:
so de Gea is yet to sign another deal & I thought he already did. fresh rumors emerging says his advisors insists on a buy-out clause to be included despite the offered wages believed to be £200,000?week.

I think the board left this stuff too late. this deal should have been ironed out in the past summer!

After all we did for DDG, he is packing his bags before he even gave 5 years (if the story is true)?. And we are offering him the salary of world class strikers. Where was Madrid when we kept faith with DDG in keenly contested 2011/12 season? If we had bought Friedel or Iloris, we would be champions then.

What is special about Zaha?

SAF brought him just as he did with Obertan, Tosic, Bebe. There will always be miss or hit signings.

David de Gea issues Manchester United a buyout clause ultimatum

Those pesky rumours surrounding David De Gea just won't go away ... the Mirror reported that while the Spanish goalkeeper might sign a new Manchester United contract, his advisors are apparently insisting upon a buyout release clause being inserted into any deal offered up by Old Trafford.

With United set to offer the shot-stopper a huge contract extension in the 200,000 pound a week region, a buyout clause would be a big blow for United, should Real Madrid decide to make a move in the future.

However, with just 17 months left on his current United contract, De Gea and his agents know they are firmly in control of negotiations and can force pretty much any figures and stipulations they please -- that's what happens when you let potential starlets run their deals down, people.
http://www.espnfc.com/blog/transfer-talk/79/post/2276216/transfer-talk-david-de-gea-issues-manchester-united-a-buyout-clause-ultimatum

Thanks Swansea.

He reminded congregants of a message he had given several weeks earlier that the last few months of 2014, which he had already termed ‘The Year Of Crossing The Bridge’, would contain tragic and calamitous events as if ‘it were 10 years’. He declared that in the midst of the unfortunate incident, “God is on top of the matter”.
http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/168133-video-cctv-footage-of-synagogue-building-collapse-and-strange-airplane-t-b-joshua-says-its-behind-it.html


Another clear miss.

Odunharry:
Elampiro where our guy Coogar

He go appear tomorrow.

I see such every time.

TB Joshua was reported way back to have said Boko Haram would end in April 2012. His prophecies for 2014 released January last year were a heavy miss.

Suleiman always guessing about politics and politicians because he has an ex-governor as a close friend who share rumours with him.