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DEADLINE DAY UPDATE:
United have contacted Aston Villa suggesting they may recall Tom Cleverley from season-long loan if option to buy now for £7m not taken.
Villa declined and will consider summer free deal. United can't loan Cleverley again if they recall him: players can't rep more than 2 clubs in 1 season
[via BBC]

Hope we get Hummels.

DEADLINE DAY UPDATE:
West Brom have made Darren Fletcher their number one target and hope to have a deal done before the transfer window closes.
“We need to bring players in and we are working hard to bring players in. We will have to wait and see and then go from there." Tony Pulis
[via Birmingham Mail, Mirror]

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DEADLINE DAY UPDATE:
Manchester United have confirmed that Adnan Januzaj will NOT be leaving the club on loan today.
[via Skysports]

Louis Van Gaal has warned Adnan Januzaj that he must make the most of his talent if he is to succeed at Old Trafford and force his way into the starting XI on a regular basis.
Januzaj made his first Premier League start in almost three months against Leicester on Saturday and gave a good account of himself playing on the left side of a midfield diamond.
“He has a lot of talent but you have to perform that talent in the matches and also in the training sessions,
“I’m not making the line-up, the players themselves are making the line-up. You don’t believe that, I think.
“I observe and I communicate with my players what I want every day. At the moment I think ‘okay, he is now ready to play’ then maybe I can let them play.
“I have to compare Januzaj with Juan Mata and now I choose Januzaj. I’m looking every week and every day the players have to show it. I’ve said this to the players, to Falcao, Mata and Januzaj.
“The competition is high and also that’s difficult to manage for players.”
[Source: ESPN]

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Na wao. Mata go vex comot. Sometimes it is better to be silent.

DEADLINE DAY UPDATE:
Photo of Anderson training with Internacional. The move will be official announced soon.

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BREAKING NEWS:
Manchester United have sold Wilfried Zaha to Crystal Palace for around £3m.

coogar:
i dey go monitor transfer deadline. it seems hummels is on his way.

Wow!

coogar:
this bit says it all.

From the whole writing, you cut out this small sentence.

Good bye.

Zaha caused all these. If the rumour is true, good. Let him pack his bags and go.

coogar:
so let's stop depending on starting line up images as the almighty factual evidence where someone played. managers often alter tactics during the game.....to counter their opponents.

Agreed. No disputing this.

This was why I relied mostly on Zonal Marking to back my argument. But they didnt have for this match.

WAYNE ROONEY is finally starting to realise that left is... right!

I’m sure there were a few people sniggering in the visitors’ dressing room when the Manchester United striker was again deployed on the left for Wednesday night’s Champions League semi-final first leg against Arsenal at Old Trafford.

But, as the old Frank Sinatra number goes: Ho, ho, ho, who’s got the last laugh now?

And United could be laughing all the way to Rome if they serve up a repeat of their first-leg supremacy in Tuesday’s return at The Emirates.

The Red Devils’ 1-0 victory hardly reflected their superiority, but boss Alex Ferguson said afterwards he may make changes for the second leg.

If I was him, the only thing I would change is the red shirts as they will clash with the Gunners’ home strip.

Other than that, I would stick with the same team and formation.

And that means Rooney continuing on the left.

It may not be his favourite position or even his best position.

But, like it or lump it, I believe it is where Rooney is most effective for United right now.


Terry Venables.

coogar:
and between rooney & shinji, who really played on the left wing against southampton from the images i posted?

Kagawa from your chart. But dont forget how Silva plays his number 10. When City came to OT under Moyes, Silva drifted mostly wide using wings to try to penetrate.

coogar:
park - 8.5
rooney - 8.0
ronaldo - 9.0
anderson - 8.0.

i ask again, what did rooney do in the game that got venables comparing him to messi?

rooney was the lowest rated attacking player in the first leg - which proves my point that he contributed nothing.....according to goal.com

anderson - 8.5
rooney - 7.0
ronaldo - 8.0
tevez - 8.0

so where's the hype from?

Where is the link to the first leg?

coogar:
that's just british media nonsense.
ronaldo scored 2 goals & assisted park and people compared rooney to messi?

rooney did nothing in that game. the 2-0 lead was as early as the first 20 mins. arsenal were shell-shocked and in the second half, they threw the kitchen sink & united countered for the third.

what did rooney do in the game?

He didnt do anything. Coogar u funnel.

MANCHESTER UNITED

Van der Sar -6.5: Another very easy evening for the veteran Dutchman. Aside from the penalty, the only save of note Van der Sar had to make was a 20-yard shot from Van Persie at 3-0.
O'Shea -6.5: The hero at Old Trafford, O'Shea was steady if not spectacular at the Emirates. Occasionally troubled by Nasri, the Irishman did almost all that was asked of him.
Vidic -7.5: Won everything in the air, and breezed through the evening without even having to get out of second gear.
Ferdinand -8.0: Once again marked Adebayor out of the game. Ferdinand and Vidic, if it was not already obvious, are the best centre back duo in the world.
Evra -8.0: Won every single duel against Walcott, and did not give the Englishman a kick. Back to his best after a shaky spell around a month ago.
Fletcher -7.5: Plenty of bite in the midfield, which helped Man Utd. overpower Arsenal in the middle-of-the-park. Harshly sent off when he clearly won the ball, and will now miss the final.
Carrick -7.5: Again showed his opposite number Song how you should play the midfield holding role. Did not waste a pass.
Anderson -8.0: One of the most under-rated players in the Premier League. He is world class, and the most important player in the centre of United's midfield.
Ronaldo -9.0: If he has underperformed in big games the last few seasons, the same cannot be said this campaign. Ronaldo has scored in every knockout round, and tonight blasted home two goals, as well as making Park's first. Man-of-the-match.
Park -8.5: Lots of energy, Park never stopped running for his team. A superb finish after just eight minutes that all but ended the tie. Involved in the third goal too, making the pass to Rooney.
Rooney -8.0: Linked up intelligently in attack, and provided the assist for Ronaldo's second goal. Almost scored himself with a beautiful curling shot. The best player in the Premier League this season.

Subs
Giggs 6.5: A few tricks and flicks, but nothing to get too excited about.
Rafael 6.0: Held his position.
Berbatov 5.5: Made little impact.
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1716/champions-league/2009/05/05/1248154/player-ratings-arsenal-1-3-manchester-united

coogar:
that's just british media nonsense.
ronaldo scored 2 goals & assisted park and people compared rooney to messi?

rooney did nothing in that game. the 2-0 lead was as early as the first 20 mins. arsenal were shell-shocked and in the second half, they threw the kitchen sink & united countered for the third.

what did rooney do in the game?

The Venables praise and press MOTM I was referring to was in the fist leg. Ronaldo and Park were rated highest by goal in the second.

coogar:
show us the goal.com link......

You think say I dey lie?

I have closed all my links. I am about ending the argument.

coogar:
unfortunately, opta stats didn't cover that game - i woulda showed you that what you read on papers is different from what transpires on the pitch.

I have read where Rooney himself said he played in the wing in that game. But he refused to admit he was on same level with Messi as the press were comparing him with Messi's play from the wing.

Rooney -8.0: Linked up intelligently in attack, and provided the assist for Ronaldo's second goal. Almost scored himself with a beautiful curling shot. The best player in the Premier League this season

This was goal.com rating after the Arsenal game.







parrotibaba, you can see it wasn't just to nullify oppositions. It's tactics.

coogar:
now it's left wing with sense?
when was kagawa subbed? i can get the image of all the passes rooney received before kagawa was subbed.

YES NA. With sense. Iniester and Neymar don't seat on the flank alone.

coogar:
rooney played as the arrow head in the first leg and we struggled to score. how could he have been the MOTM?

[img]http://3.bp..com/__1c-YrWJK-8/SflccAOjJxI/AAAAAAAAAEI/tQcdaz2CTPk/s280/man+u+vs+arsenal+UCL+LINE+UP.jpg[/img]

venables must be high on paraga.

How is this an evidence that this was how they actually played?

coogar:
rooney vs southampton(2013)

these are all the 36 passes rooney received in the match.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2088734_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

left wing indeed!

Thats playing left wing with sense. Not like a trado left wing.

Rooney also probably moved to number 10 when Kagawa was subbed in the second half.

Parotibaba,

Your assumption that whenever Park and Giggs played that they were in the wing is wrong. Park had many games in three man midfield. I am sure same can be said of Giggs.

coogar:
which arsënal?
when was he magnificent against arsenal when he attacked?

Yes, in the UCL semi final. Terry Velnables said Rooney was the MOTM in the first leg. And he advised SAF to retain Rooney there in the return leg.

* Return leg. Look at the assist for Ronaldo goal. What a counter from Park, Ronaldo and Rooney.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-b2We0-gKQ

parrotibaba:
@elampiro please show me how many times Rooney played in d wing in '11? Look we r not arguing about Rooney not playing d wings at all ,we r telling u dat he was rarely played in the wings

Why cant you also show this? What about the articles I have shown you from several sources? If it were weekend, I could have done better fetching detailed report.

parrotibaba:
n when he was played in d wings ,it was to nullify d opponets' attack n not d other way round ,gat dat?

White lies.

So who was he used to nullify when he played against Southampton in 2013? Who was he used to nullify when England played him in the wing even in the last world cup?

parrotibaba:
Like I n coogar said ,he was deployed on d wings against great opponents ,not to create an avenue for attacks but to nullify d opponents' attacks ,

How come he was magnificent against Arsenal while he attacked. The match that prompted Terry Venalbles to tag him one of the best in the left wing. Some said at the time only Messi could give a better performance from the wing.

parrotibaba:
do u even know what u r saying ? dat he played 2 or 3 times on d wings is not d same thing as playing many matches on d wings ,so cos park played in defense a few times makes him a defender? Like I n coogar said ,he was deployed on d wings against great opponents ,not to create an avenue for attacks but to nullify d opponents' attacks ,d cases of r.Madrid n barca comes to mind ...



And please mention d matches he was deployed as a winger in '11

He played many matches on the left wing. I am not talking of 5 or 6 matches. Many. He was played often since 2005. Barca and Madrid arent even the ones I am considering.

Let me tell you, in the course of many arguments here, I have submitted many evidences over the years. Just that it is impossible to gather all. And this is a week day.

So all the articles I have presented and some specific matches I have mentioned are lies?

coogar:
yes, it was a difficult away game in europe. rooney was asked to play on the flank to neutralise roma attack. ronaldo wouldn't track back & he was costing united - fergie then placed 2 bunnies on the flank.

in that game, rooney was only 22. he's now pushing 30.....why would you trust him to play as a winger right now when he's lost his ability to beat his marker consistently? rooney only played on the wing to stop attacks, not to start attacks.

* Rooney still played in the wing in 2012/13. Two years ago. He was 27.
Playing in the wing does not always require speed. Mata once played there. In the absence of a world class midfielder, adjustments can be made.

* No he has also played in the wing to start attack or on a free formation.
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5 June 2009
Wayne Rooney has just been explaining why he so enjoys being away with England. It is the chance to perform the role to which he considers himself best suited, playing in the middle and escaping the left wing he too often occupies for Manchester United.
There, he says, he can exert more influence; score more goals. ‘I’ve always said that’s my best position,’ he declares, hoping his words will register with a certain Scot on the other side of Europe. -Dialy Mail.


OFTEN

Rooney got the job done here from a left wing position. Was he asked to perform a special duty?

coogar:
which league games?
against which quality? hernandez has been drafted wide too in some games, does that make him a winger. berbatov once played in the defence, then he's a good defender?

please, let's not argue over what isn't - rooney isn't a winger. his pace back in the days helped him to do a decent job there - he cannot cope there now that he's lost some yards of pace. i'd rather have bebe on the flank than rooney.

Hernadez has never been drafted wide as a winger.

Rooney has been playing the left wing effectively for club and country since 2005.

coogar:
this proves my assertion.
rooney only plays on the wing when there's a job to be done on the opponent's winger. he never played on the wing for his attacking flair - he was practically used there as a wingback to snuff attacks.....so why then do you think he can play as a winger now?

What about the league games he has played there? What about his many matches for England there, particularly before Capello took over.

I also had previously published his matches for us in the wing in 2005, but I can't lay my hands on the material now.

parrotibaba:
Here is an example from the season Rooney started protesting his wing role on arrival of RVP and Kagawa.

2012/2013/ 30TH JAN 2013.

Man United 2 Southampton 1
Rooney two goals from the wing. 4-2-3-1 formation.
Kagawa was the one in hole.
http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/615159/Live

When faced with Barcelona in the 2008 Champions League semi-finals, for example, Ferguson’s main concern was to stop Lionel Messi, at that time a right-winger for the Catalans. Ferguson’s response was to start Rooney on the left-wing, a position that quickly evolved into an auxiliary left-back as United defended ever deeper to hold onto a 1-0 lead in the tie. The strategy worked and United went on to win the competition at the cost of Rooney’s attacking flair.

Ferguson’s side was not so lucky against Barcelona in 2009, when United reached a second consecutive Champions League Final. Rooney was sacrificed once again, playing astonishingly deep as the Catalans’ supreme midfield destroyed England’s leading club in a 2-0 defeat.
http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/opinion/the-sacrifice-wayne-rooneys-european-journey/

parrotibaba:
@Elampiro no need for long arguments ,like I said b4 Rooney rarely played/plays on d winger in his united career ,yes against Real Madrid ,Barcelona(in '09) he played on d wings but in he was never dia for long except when we play d 4-3-3 formation which SAF rarely played...



In d 2007/2008 season ,we had d likes of ji-sung-park ,Ryan giggs(he never played in midfield until in 09 when he began to tire n SAF thought it wise to utilize his experience in midfield) n Nani lining up on d left wing while d Rooney/Tevez combo terrorized opponents dat season ,I remember a commentator calling dat partnership d deadliest in Europe dat time ,den cr7 had d right wing all to himself n whenever he was injured or suspended, Nani moved to d right so I don't get where u got d idea dat Rooney lined up regularly on d left wing during dat season

He played many matches in the wing. You didnt follow up well.

He was mostly in the wings in difficult matches, particularly in UCL. For instance, in 2008 he was in the wing in Rome.

In 2009, he was in the wing against Arsenal to track Theo Walcott. In the final against Barca he was in the wing. In 2011 he had a run of matches in the wing. In 2012/13 he was played in the wing in some matches, not just against Madrid.

* His time in the wing dates back to 2005.