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Bolton defender Andy Kellett thought Manchester United bid was ‘a wind-up’

Louis van Gaal will assess the 21-year-old Bolton left-back Andy Kellett during his surprise loan spell at Old Trafford before making a decision on the player’s possible long-term future at the club.

United had been monitoring the defender for several months before making the move to sign him on transfer deadline day – a call which Kellett initially thought was a “wind-up”.

The defender made only his first Wanderers appearance of the season last Tuesday, in a 4-2 defeat to Rotherham, having previously been on loan at League Two Plymouth Argyle – where he attracted attention with a brilliant solo goal in December.

“It’s a great opportunity for Andy,” said Lennon. “We called about Saidy and Manchester United asked for him to go the other way. He thought it was a wind-up.

“He hadn’t got a clue. He was on his way to Plymouth. It took a good five or 10 minutes – he wouldn’t believe us. We told him to ring his father and we’d tell him, and once that happened I think it started to sink in. It’s a great story but now he’s got to knuckle down and learn.

“It’s great for the kid. It’s an opportunity for him regardless of what happens. He’s no bother, low maintenance, very level-headed and I just hope he takes it in his stride.”

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/feb/03/bolton-andy-kellett-manchester-united-wind-up

lol


Andy Kellet - 2015 performances
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Red4Ever
It could be something to do with van gaals daughter

Kind of the opposite of zaha

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Ekeke
Finally we signed De Laet's successor

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Seems so weird when you realise that he's actually 2 years older than Shaw.

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Khoazany
More than half of our Reserves are older than Shaw.Nothing to see here.

He's actually quite decent.At least someone to keep the U21s performing while we sent our more promising youngsters on loan and the U18s need to play together for the Youth Cup run.Seems Joyce is constantly picking James for the DM role,either as LVG's instruction or due to our lack of options in midfield until Goss coming back from injury.

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/andy-kellet-2015-performances.400980/

Louis van Gaal says the whole WORLD wants his Manchester United side to be dumped out of the FA Cup by lowly Cambridge United.
“What I have already said is that everything is against you at Manchester United and everything is in favour of the underdog,
“People shall not do it consciously but sub-consciously. So that’s our warning for Tuesday.
“But in spite of all the criticism we’ve had, we’re still in the FA Cup and a lot of teams are not."
[Source: Mirror]

SailorXY:
strictly 4-4-2 diamond. Fellaini was easily the second striker with Mata @ the tip of the diamond

It looked more like a 4-1-4-1 particularly in the first half. Di Maria and Rooney were wide while Mata and Fellaini operated behind RVP.

Odunharry:

Whyu dey sun teeth? No be us ask for players stat?

^^^
Odunharry thats for you.

Good night.

* Key pass: Di Maria 4, Fellaini 3, Mata 3, Rooney 2, McNair 2, RVP 1, Herrera 1, Wilson 1

*Unsuccessful touch: Rojo 3. Many other players 1each but Rooney 0

*Dispossessed: Mata 1, Rooney 1 , RVP 1

*Pass accuracy: Evans 100% (69 passes.), Mata 96% (63 passes), Samlling 95% (62 passes),Herrera 95% (34 passes), Mc Nair 93% (90 passes)
Poorest passsers: Wayne ROONEY 82% (79 PASSES), Di Maria 80% (56 passes)

* Crosses: Di Maria 16 with 3 connected, Rooney 7 with 2 connected. McNair 2/4, Fellaini 1/2

* Long Balls: Rooney 9/10, Di Maria 14/18, Mc nair 9/10, Blind 7/7, Smalling 7/8, Mata 6/7

* Interception: Evans 4, Blind 4, Rojo 3, Rooney 2, Smalling 2

* Tackles: Evans 4, Rojo 3, Rooney 2, Feallini 2, Blind 2

* Touches Mc nair 107, Rooney 101, Evans 83

I don't understand what Odunharry meant Rooney crosses were not going through. He had just one blocked cross when he played mostly on the right in the fist half. All his crosses went through. In the second half he made some wrong passes in the middle of the park. Wrong passes are different from dispossession.

MOTM for me is McNair. The Young players will soon displace the old ones.

Dadehmola:
Elampiro.. You dey see di Maria's mesmerizing runs down the left flank?

I can see. Nice match. Man United should dominate like this all the time.

diggz:
So elampawa dey claim say rooney na once a winger? UWKU>>>>>>!

Ukwu!!!

Young is back?


















Halleliuya!

coogar:
4-3-3 can be broken down into 5 parts.

4-3-1-2
4-3-2-1(christmas formation)
4-3-3(wide)
4-3-3(narrow)
4-3-3(regular)

* But SAF mentioned a lone striker, which nullified your first option above.
* BBC said 4-3-3. In their definition, they meant 4-3-3 wide or regular.



*What BBC meant when they said a team played 4-3-3
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BBC
This formation is quite an attacking one.

The 4-3-3 system - that is four defenders, three midfielders and three attackers - allows you to have three attackers while still having a strong midfield.

The three midfielders will normally play quite closely together to give protection to the defence and so they cannot be passed around by the opposition.

The three strikers will split across the pitch to provide width to the attack.

Usually you would have a central attacker with one each side of him.

Barcelona play with this system with Samuel Eto'o, Ronaldinho and Ludovic Giuly.



The 4-3-3 does not actually differ that much from the 4-5-1 formation ​

Very few teams actually start with this line-up as you need to have specialist attackers.

But if a manager needs a goal late on in a game then he may opt to move to three up front.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/rules_and_equipment/4197558.stm

A further review of line ups and matches through out 2005/6 reveals so much. I have reviewed many matches last night up to FA cup against Arsenal where Rooney was named MOTM despite United lost on penalties.

Veron4

29-08-2005 11:41 PM

do u all notice that sometimes when attacking man utd use 4-3-3 and while defending they use 4-5-1?




Ronaldo_7

29-08-2005 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by genesis113:
I don't agree wf the diving accuse. Given did trap Ruud. You can watch the replay tonite. You will see after the clash, Given looked painful on his chest. I think both of Ruud and Ronaldo were unlucky because of this inexperience ref.

haha.. i gt no scv hmm... i feel its 50-50 bah.. but i saw the boot of rvn very close to given's chin man! i was like.. if he kicked his chin hw sia.. hai the ref side nufc mostly bah




ahgohgoh

30-08-2005 12:14 AM

if rvn never fall given now in hospital already lol

ya agree 4-3-3 is actually 4-5-1 during defending. 3R as front men when attacking, ronaldo slot to left/right rooney slot to left/right during defending...

but 4-3-3 is quite easy for opponent to counter from wing because you don't expect rooney and ronaldo to be always fast enough to track back. so that means fletcher and scholes will help out with flank during defensive, to give more time for extra frontmen to track back. that's why you don't see scholes attacking much because he old liao mah... if he attack hard to track back in time. you see fletcher box to box more instead, young mah. i think we have to let fewer crosses in because our defenders heading a bit CMI. luckily VDS is very good in the air!




padixiong

30-08-2005 12:19 AM

i think the formation is like this ..

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when defending ..

Oshea-rio-silves-henize

ronaldo-fletcher-keane-scholes-rooney

ruud
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when attacking ..

Oshea-rio-silves-henize

fletcher-keane

scholes

ronaldo-ruud-rooney(free role)

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i think this kind of fomation give a very stable midfield when attacking and defending ..

unlike the old 4-4-2


Ronaldo_7

30-08-2005 12:21 AM

haha... Rooney is everywhere when we played against NUFC.. lots of energy!




croc1977

30-08-2005 12:23 AM

i just want to replace mikel.he is a defensive mistake timebomb waiting to happen..he was lucky yesterday .if in europe or top teams even vds cannot save us.




usjag_18

30-08-2005 12:23 AM

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/english-premier-league-179/manchester-united-forum-59384-1843-print.html

^^
But you claimed we played 4-4-2 in 2004/5 to 2005/6.


Ferguson Explains 4-3-3 Formation


By David Hobbs
September 5 2005


Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson has explained his recently deployed 4-3-3 formation, claiming he had to change the controversial 4-5-1 from last season that had many flaws.


Ferguson, who's used a 4-4-2 formation for most of his Old Trafford life, insisted he had to tinker with his formation and tactics to keep up with opposition.

He explained: "The trouble with 4-5-1 is that it doesn't give you enough points of attack and if Rooney and Ronaldo come deep to defend or cover, your lone striker can get isolated.

"We used to play 4-4-2, with one player just behind the striker, because it gives you more options, more threats, but 4-3-3 makes the best use of the players we have.

"It keeps Ronaldo and Rooney forward, where they do most damage, and gives us more points on the pitch from which to attack."

The Scotsman also claims Manchester United can never play defensive football, regardless of the opposition. "Manchester United just can't play defensively. The fans would not stand for it. It's just not United," he concluded.
http://m.thefootballnetwork.net/main/s237/st80859.htm

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Ferguson to stand by Queiroz as unrest grows at negative United

Nistelrooy isolated upfront.
Portuguese instrumental in 4-3-3 formation
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2005/sep/21/newsstory.sport4

Everton 0-2 Man Utd

United also persisted with their favoured 4-3-3 formation, the lively Van Nistelrooy supported by Rooney and debutant Park Ji Sung.


United were dominant, with Rooney ignoring the boos to torment former team-mate Phil Neville, and they nearly went ahead again when Van Nistelrooy lashed wide from 20 yards after a slick move.

Man Utd: Van der Sar, Neville, Ferdinand, Silvestre, O'Shea, Fletcher (Heinze 72), Keane, Scholes (Smith 81), Park (Richardson 85), Rooney, van Nistelrooy.
Subs Not Used: Howard, Rossi.

Booked: Scholes.
Goals: van Nistelrooy 43, Rooney 46.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/4126970.stm






Mr Parrot, you see that Rooney was in the wing?

parrotibaba:
Elampawa u r unbelievable!! abeg u need a lobotomy right now ... I can't believe u r trying to turn dis upside down to ur favor ...u still hv nt proven dat Rooney predominantly played on d wings in his united career ,stop twisting dis argument for fцck's sake

* I am not twisting it. Evidence are pointing to the fact Rooney played mostly in the wing in his early days, particularly in 2005/6 season. Then he often played there afterwards particularly in big games.

* Facts nullified your argument that he only played there as a wing back or when there's a need to nullify opposition.

coogar:
elampiro, there are many variants of 4-3-3. just because rooney is on the outside of a 3-man attack doesn't make him a winger. you can have 2AMs behind a striker. i don't think i have ever seen rooney run the ball down the touchline and deliver a cross.

I get you but it's still 4-3-3. But even Gareth Bale doesn't run the ball down the line to deliver a cross. Iniester doesn't run down and whip a cross in.

Our match against Inter Milan at OT, Rooney and Giggs swap positions at half time (I saw the whole match again recently), Rooney gave an intelligent connecting cross for CR7 to score the 2nd goal. It must not be a Valencia's speeding and whipping style.

parrotibaba:
chai!!! Elampawa!!! u can lie for Africa!!! when did I say saha relegated nistelroy to d midfield ? eh elampawa ? e be like say u r now hallucinating now baa? I hv given u proofs upon proofs but u don't want to accept d truth ...if Elampiro tells u dat it's raining u really hv to check if it's raining ,chai!! am done!! just done!!!

Mr Parrot,

But you can see already an instance of Rooney in the wing from that line up. I will provide more line ups and possibly BBC live commentary to back my argument further. From my investigation, SAF adopted 4-3-3 for 2005/6 season. Nistelrooy or Saha was the middle forward while Ronaldo and Rooney flanked.

Further investigation revealed that SAF persisted with 4-3-3 in big games between 2006 and 2009, with Rooney used in the flank.

parrotibaba:
Alan smith? dude was an injury player n even when he started playing ,nistelroy was back from injury n he was relegated to d bench n eventually pushed to d midfield ,d position he still plays today ,what r u trying to get at? u still haven't proved dat Wayne Rooney mostly played on d wing in his united career ...

Mr Parrot, ok I don understand wetin you mean. I thought you meant Nisterooy in midfield. I was going to tell Coogar to put you on probation for three months until CristineC clears you for the final period.

parrotibaba:
I never wanted to answer u but it seems dat d alomo bitters u r drinking is really bitter ...I never said Nistelroy was Luis saha's backup ,I said he usurped his first team position b4 getting injured n besides nistelroy played 35 league matches doesn't mean he started 35 matches ...

E van der Sar(G)
(73) W Brown(D)
R Ferdinand (D)
J O'Shea (D)
M Silvestre (D)
(81) A Smith(M)
(53) D Fletcher(M)
P Scholes (M)
C Ronaldo (F)
W Rooney (F)
R van Nistelrooy (F)

T Howard (G)
(73) G Neville(D)
G Pique (D)
(53) Park Ji-Sung (M)
K Richardson (M)
(81) L Saha (F)
G Rossi (F)

Your responses are too disjointed. First you said Saha relegated Nistelrooy to the midfield and bench.

Now you said Saha returned from injury in Novenber 2005 to be first choice striker. So how come he was only featured in 12 starts and 7 subs?

I will find time to xray 2005/2006 season for you. It will take time but I can make it if i am determined. Look at how I have given you a line up. I can give you all Saha matches,even all matches that season. The line up above suggests Rooney was in the wing.

parrotibaba:
Rooney played behind saha who relegated Nistelroy to d bench until he was injured . Alan smith? dude was an injury player n even when he started playing ,nistelroy was back from injury n he was relegated to d bench n eventually pushed to d midfield ,d position he still plays today ,what r u trying to get at? u still haven't proved dat Wayne Rooney mostly played on d wing in his united career ...




You know what? am done arguing n I will no longer comment on dis issue again cos it's baseless n u hv nt proved anything as of yet ,only pointing out few matches u scrounged up from d net. bye

Rooney never started his career on d wings ,his first game he played as a supporting striker ...

* You are showing us match report of one single match. It is useless to the argument.

* How was Nistelrooy a back up to Saha when Nistelrooy played 35 league matches?

Nistelrooy 28(7)
Smith 15 (6)
Saha 12 (7)



Anyway I don't blame you too much. You learnt your football from a very wrong source- a website run by American obese kids.

parrotibaba:
arguing with elampiro is like trying to convince PEG to go back to school ,FYI I mentioned Rooney playing behind saha whenever d ninja is injury free ,or u r so high on orijin u forgot dat ...I don finish d argument cos left to u ,u will argue till next year over a fallacy ,.. until u provide d number of times Rooney plied his trade on d wings throughout his united career n if dos times r more dan 4 in a season den dis argument is as good as dead ,gud night

Rooney playing behind Saha? What happened to Nistelrooy and Smith?

I have given you enough evidence. Bye.

parrotibaba

Manchester United
Rooney made his debut for Manchester United on 28 September 2004 in the UEFA Champions League against Fenerbahçe, scoring a hat-trick and also an assist (the match finished in a 6-2 win for United). For the 2005-06 season, Rooney initially started playing in wider positions than his more favoured central role. Eventually, after Manchester United's poor run of form early in the season, Sir Alex Ferguson moved him back to his stronger position, playing behind Dutchman Ruud van Nistelrooy as a second striker. He got his first professional Winners Medal in the 2006 English League Cup. He was also named Man of the Match in the League Cup final against Wigan Athletic, after scoring two goals in the final (a 4-0 victory for United), en route to winning his first senior medal. He was also a member of the United side defeated in the 2005 FA Cup Final by Arsenal. He captained Manchester United for the first time in a home Champions League match against Copenhagen on 17 October 2006, becoming probably the youngest captain in the clubs' history.
www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/link-suggestion/wpcd_2008-09_augmented/wp/w/Wayne_Rooney.htm

More reports pointing to my stance.

parrotibaba:
I no get time for further arguments ,list d number of times Rooney played on d wings in his entire united career ,I just gave u an idea of hw we assembled dos years ...u know what ? why not counter my formation argument with ur own research over d years Rooney played for us n show me why u think he lined up on d wings most of d time?

Your formation na mamaput draw am.

Does your formation tell how many times Rooney played as a second striker? When you were making kpakpakpakpa this afternoon like an hungry parrot, I think say you get info from credible source. You even dey argue with articles I submitted from several sources corroborating one another.

* No one will be able to tell how many matches Rooney has played in the wing because there were no credible tactics websites tracking these info in the past. However, during the course of arguments more facts will be coming out. I submitted an article on this thread where it was stated categorically that Rooney was played dominantly in the wing in 2004/2005, 2005/2006. He played more in one of those seasons, but I cant remember vividly which. The article was very specific with details.

* In all your argument, you have not mentioned such strikers as Alan Smith and Luiz Saha in 2005/6. Smith had 15(6) matches while Saha had (12/7) matches.

* iN 2006/7 we brought Henrik Larsson on loan for two and a half months.

I actually was expecting to see a link or charts telling us Man United played 4-4-2 24 times, 4-3-3 xtimes, etc. Then they will state the players mostly used in positions.

Bros this one no fly.

parrotibaba:
I never asked u to source out our recent formations ,I asked for d old ones ,dis r sm

* How can you vouch for the old ones when the current ones dont reflect the reality. Hope you wont come in 5 years time to tell us RVP played in midfield based on these charts?

* The charts don't tell anything. The matches they were used were not stated for further verification. I can make up charts and labelled them 4-4-2 Man United 1930 formation.

* These charts look to have been prepared by the websites users, just as people use naiaraland. The users are probably the worst United fans out there considering their charts for 2014/15 season.

* What exactly does this website stand for? What is their mission? What is their purpose? Who are they?

DEADLINE DAY UPDATE:
BBC report that Darren Fletcher is heading south for a medical at West Brom.
[via @sistoney67]

parrotibaba:
read my post again ,I apologized for dat n gave d website for it

It looks like it's an Ekwe Sample website, or I am the one who doesn't know how to use it.

See what I find there for 2014/15 season. When did we have these settings in a starting line up?

DEADLINE DAY UPDATE:
Manchester Utd have signed 16-year-old Centre back Dayot Upamecano from Ligue 2 side Valenciennes for €450k. Rising to €900k with bonuses.

DEADLINE DAY UPDATE:
Anders Lindegaard won't be leaving United tonight. His agent has been looking for a new club but hasn't found one.
[via Associated Press]

SailorXY:
I always shake my head whenever I wonder how the guy wasted his natural talents.

I would have said i pity him, but hey, this guy can pay me salary... so?

Something must have gone wrong recently. All our players suddenly became the laziest in the world. I think the famous SAF backroom staff should take bulk of the blame.

Na only Rafael and DDG we fit talk say dem no become lazy.

parrotibaba:
it depends on d season u r talking about ,if u r talking about d 2007/2008 season ,den I can confidently tell u dat giggs/Nani n sm times park plied dia trade on d left wing ,in '09 Ryan giggs was our primary left winger alongside Nani who switched to right whenever c.baba was suspended or injured ...in 2010 we had Nani n Valencia as wingers ,in 11 d same ,when Valencia was injured ,Nani switched to d right n giggs/park played on d left(park played in d midfield on occasions not always) ,in '12 we had young n Valencia/Nani ...


below are some of our typical formations from '05 downwards ,u still hv nt given me enough proof dat Rooney played many times on d wing except statements dat mean absolutely nothing ...sorry d images r not opening ,but check out our different formations on sharemytactics.com ,there u will see dat ,like I said b4 ,Rooney rarely played on d wings

I couldn't view your attachment.