European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:17pm On Jan 13, 2015 |
Manuel Neuer has ben the best goalkeeper for about 2 or 3 years now. DDG will start contesting from 2015. DDG has been best in the last two months.
As for RVP, well Rooney on his facebook page, was hoping RVP and Ronaldo would win. But Coogar will not let RVP win anything again. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:33am On Jan 13, 2015 |
OPTA records dispossessed stats separately from inaccurate passes and crosses.
* OPTA dispossessed stat. Mata 2, Rooney 1.
Someone like Coolie-guy Tortoise would say DDG, Young, Di Maria get dispossessed the most. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:23am On Jan 13, 2015*. Modified: 11:49am On Jan 13, 2015 |
coogar: you are a goat! rooney received 50 passes in total. he lost the ball 9 times in possession due to dispossession and lack of ball control or even brain färts.
rooney's passing stats is a different thing entirely. the stats i work with is straight from OPTA, not your dodgy stats pulled out of the arsë of a baboon. how many passes did rooney receive, how many did he give back?
were you not lying through your teeth that rooney played slightly behind mata in the midfield. so he played in the midfield and he refused to make a tackle for full 90 minutes? you are a disgrace.  * You don't know ball. Inaccurate passes and inaccurate crosses are different from possession lost. Stop lying. OPTA has it that Rooney was dispossessed once, Mata twice. May be you will say DDG was dispossessed the most because keepers have the highest inaccurate passes. Or Young got dispossessed the most when he had 66% pass accuracy and 2/8 correct crosses. * Rooney played as CM and Mata AM. The interception stats, clearances and dues won say it all. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:00am On Jan 13, 2015 |
Abeg Fellaini should start along with Rooney in midfield next time, so that Rooney will have more attacking license. I don't know what Mata is doing. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:27am On Jan 13, 2015 |
Some people will commit suicide now.
Again, Mata the AM had only one key pass. I didn't expect him to offer much defensively. But what exactly were they doing? Mata and RVP.
RVP was just a 'falling falling' in the final 3rd. As big as he is he gets bullied. He doesn't have the brain to take away central defenders for chances to abound. Mata always passing to Valencia. Can't make more than a key pass per match. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:14am On Jan 13, 2015 |
Only one yeye tackle RVP made this guys is talking about?
Key passes. Rooney 2 Mata 1 RVP 1
Interceptions Rooney 2 Mata 0 RVP 1
Cleareances Rooney 3 Mata 1 RVP 1
Aerial duels won Rooney 2 RVP 0 Mata 0 Herrera 1
Whoscored rating: Valencia 7.78 MOTM Rooney 6.52 RVP 6.39 Herrera 6.21 Mata 6.14 Di Maria 6.05
Someone would say because RVP was substituted. The other day Valencia got sustituted at half time and stillgot the highest rating.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:38am On Jan 13, 2015 |
coogar: it's not even debatable anymore, wazza is uber-useless.
passing stats 89% - mata 82% - RVP 76% - rooney 
mata received 52 passes in total and managed to pass 49 of them accurately to a team mate. it means he was dispossessed 3 times.
RVP received 15 passes in total and was able to pass 14 of them to a team mate. he was caught in possession only once.
rooney received 50 passes, he was only able to pass 41 of those passes. rooney was dispossessed 9 times. fat bästard lost nearly all our good moves with his idïotic football brain & his lack of technique. Coogar cannot even differentiate between dispossessed and inaccurate passes.
Mata was dispossessed 2 times. Rooney was dispossessed 1 time.
Ayagayagayagayayo hei. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:05pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
coogar: di maria made FIFPRO11....
what an achievement! Any more Rooney argument will continue when RVP, Mata and Berbatov win this and get to be named world 5th best player. Argument closed. Yori Yori. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:03pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
coogar: rooney outlived ronaldo then rooney must be better than ronaldo too. you see why many people here think your brain is made of yellow pap?
so being a captain now means what? a captain that cannot lead his wards to victory. the most overrated player in the universe. his peers were at the ballon d'Or adding glory to their clubs. rooney is probably at home now adding more calories to his obese self.
rooney is our most useless player.  Coogar said Ronaldo was our striker. What were Saha, Tevez, Berbatov, doing? Somebody give him panadol now. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:54pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
coogar: this is the most ridiculous claim ever..... so you think rooney woulda won anything at arsënal if he was there since 2004? 
RVP didn't win cos arsenal were wack. henry didn't win anything in 05/06 & 06/07 and he's 100 times better than rooney. arsenal won last season cos they brought in few decent players after RVP left. Rooney should have won everything at Arsenal had he be there plying with Fabregas behind him. He would have won the UCL too. Fabregas, Walcott, Ramsey, Song. Just imagine! |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:51pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
coogar: https://giant.gfycat.com/BaggyOptimalAndeancat.gif
yet again, another world class cross from daley blind. a striker with common sense & anticipation would be loitering at the near post to add a simple touch to mata's miscue.
hernandez scored plenty of those goals for us at anfield & stamford bridge(i think last season under moyes). wayne rooney was behind the play and watching like a spectator. Which players have even missed the highest number of CCC? * Hernadez is better than Rooney, so said Coogar. * Welbeck is better than Rooney and will outscore Rooney this season for Arsenal as striker and Rooney for United as striker. * Kagawa is better than Rooney. 10 years, Rooney has outlived many strikers. Saha, Tevez, Berbatov, Welbeck, Chicharito. Rooney is captain and Manchester United legend. Coogar, go and hang. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:43pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
coogar: RVP & mata had many attempts, rooney had zero.
RVP & mata held up play and provided incisive passes in the game. every final ball from rooney was a faulty pass.
rooney played the last 30 mins of the game as a striker & he registered 0 shots, provided 0 key pass and he made more wrong passes in that period than anyone else on the pitch.
rooney is the problem with the team. he offers nothing creatively or defensively.
ekwe sample, RVP had left the pitch by the time mata had those 3 chances. this is how to know fans who actually watch the game and the ones who heard 3rd hand news from larry izamoje.  You see the difference between useless RVP and Wayne Rooney? When RVP is playing as a lone striker, he doesn't have the sense to drag the centre defenders away for others to score or attempt. When Rooney plays, chances abounds. This was why RVP never won anything at Arsenal. No one else knew how to score 'cos the hyena blocked them out from the box. If not for SAF amnesty to save RVP trophyess career, he would be at Arsenal with zero trophy and Giroud, Ramsey and co wouldn't lean scoring methods to win trophies. RVP left and they won. RVP missing CCC since the beginning of the season. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:42pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
coogar: RVP & mata had many attempts, rooney had zero.
RVP & mata held up play and provided incisive passes in the game. every final ball from rooney was a faulty pass.
rooney played the last 30 mins of the game as a striker & he registered 0 shots, provided 0 key pass and he made more wrong passes in that period than anyone else on the pitch.
rooney is the problem with the team. he offers nothing creatively or defensively.
ekwe sample, RVP had left the pitch by the time mata had those 3 chances. this is how to know fans who actually watch the game and the ones who heard 3rd hand news from larry izamoje.  You see the difference between useless RVP and Wayne Rooney? When RVP is playing as a lone striker, he doesn't have the sense to drag the centre defenders away for others to score or attempt. When Rooney plays, chances abounds. This was why RVP never won anything at Arsenal. No one else knew how to score 'cos the hyena blocked them out from the box. If not for SAF amnesty to save RVP trophyess career, he would be at Arsenal with zero trophy and Giroud, Ramsey and co wouldn't lean scoring methods to win trophies. RVP left and they won. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:28pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
coogar: rooney was hiding yet again & mata(CM) was our most advanced player in the box.  Coolie-guy Tortoise, All the while Mata was doing tap in for us inside the box, where was RVP? RVP is useless. Shame. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:26pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
coogar: rooney was rubbish! he was poor in every aspect of the game & when we needed him to lead and take the game by the scruff of the neck, he disappeared from the game & it passed him by. it was mata popping everywhere to take our chances - rooney was neither doing the build up or shooting on target.
they are all on the same line. rooney played as a striker in the last 30 mins of the game. how many shots did he attempt(let's even ignore shots on target)?
rooney was useless, abeg. i saw his performance stats and i was enraged. if rooney cannot make attempts against southampton's defence, why is he even starting games for us?
another beautiful cross from daley blind.......
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rooney was hiding yet again & mata(CM) was our most advanced player in the box.  RVP and Mata lost us the game. Rooney did his work as a CM. What did RVP do for 60. Mins? Zero over zero. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:23pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
joeace2020: This is wat someone said on dailymail
"So.. If the world cup is that important why are both Brazil´s Centre backs, who took 7 goals from Germany, in FIFPro World XI?" and in i add
Why would a low win the best coach for a tournament that is not highly regarded (according to FIFA selection for awards) as achievement in European football.. why is Simeone not taking that award?
I remember messi n 2010 world cup... FIFA sha You see why journalists are not allowed to vote? They do tbhings with sentiments,. This journalist thought Thiago played against Germany. He is even taking one match in isolation as people do here with gifs. This is why people who played competitive football are the ones making decisions. Not pot belly men who learnt the game from PE14 and statistics. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:15pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
coogar: they play on the same line. whenever rooney plays rubbish, you quickly offer an excuse that he is too deep to influence the games. what happened when rooney was moved upfront? did he even scare the goalie?
football is fluid..... you are the one offering stupïd excuses for rooney's performance. was he not in the midfield 4 when he got a brace against newcastle? and it was mata that was ahead of him that was supplying the key passes.
rooney was wack last night - don't offer any cheap excuses for his poor performance. his passes were wack
the pass was wack & it was from rooney. at least VP took a good shot that was blocked. if rooney had treaded the pass diagonally instead of placing it behind VP, he would have gotten a better chance of scoring.
RVP needed an extra touch cos the original pass was slightly behind him. rooney can't make short passes, he's too fat to measure and place short passes. ronaldo will be 30 in 3 weeks time and he's still beasting his peers. rooney at 30 is worse than giggs at 37.
shame! Rooney did not play rubbish. He did his job- cover Carrick, offer defensive cover, pass the ball forward to Mata, Di Mari and RVP. Rooney left the midfield and Herrera couldn't protect or cover Carrick's flaws. Something Fellaini and Rooney had done well so far. 3-1-4-2 doesn't mean the central midfielders are on sme line just as 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 or 3-4-1-2, etc. What do you watch? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:19pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
Ibime: You musta been watching with your eyes closed. He was personally at fault for 2 goals against PSG, and we lost 3-1 in the next round, so which game did you see him playing well? Against Galatasaray?
And Iniesta going strong enough to finish in FIFPRO11? You must be joking! Iniesta lacks vision or decisiveness, and cannot control games like Xavi. Since Xavi's ankles gave way, Iniesta has been treading water. I'm personally offended that Iniesta was put on the same pedestal as Xavi for many years, even finishing above him in voting for player of the year. Xavi would sit deep, control the game from start to finish, dictate tempo, create 17 assists per season from a deep position whilst Iniesta would be in the attacking midfield, do a few dribbles and some apes would be chanting, then create only 5 assists for the season and some geezers would be calling him the best, when Xavi dey there. SMH. I must be watching with my eyes closed? The world coaches and national team captains must also have watch with their eyes closed. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:16pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
coogar: idïocy at his best....
we played 3-1-4-2. the four behind the front 2 included valencia shaw mata and rooney. mata wasn't anymore advanced than rooney in the game - and he played the game of his life even when the formation was tweaked and rooney moved into top striker position. mata wasn't any AM, stop lying.
we are talking about yesterday's game - don't dig up the past. rooney lost us the game was the statement you are trying to rebut. don't bring up games that was played in 1985 that had a different circumstance or personnel in the team.
rooney was uber-useless.
how would RVP score when rooney kept making idiotïc passes all game. everytime we broke, RVP made intelligent runs and rooney the cow offered an idiötic through ball. RVP at least had an attempt that was blocked - rooney did not make a single attempt in 90 mins at old trafford - what a shame!
let's look at rooney's performance.....
exhibit a:
LVG decided to tweak the formation & moved blind to the wingback position, this was a chess move to allow accurate passing from the left channel to the strikers. blind supplied heavenly crosses into the box but what did rooney do with them?
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from the position rooney made the first touch, you would expect a world class player earning £300,000 per week to destroy the defender and make the goalie work. rooney thought otherwise and ran into traffic......and then lost the ball foolishly.
where's the football intelligence?  You no know ball? You are confusing formation with tactics. Rooney and Mata don't play on same line. Rooney maintains CM position while Mata maintains AM position. Someone like you would say Fernadinho and Yaya Toure play same on same line when you see City play 4-2-3-1 or assume Herdenson, Coutinho and Sterling played on same line when Liverpool deployed them behind Suarez and Sturridge in some matches last season with Gerald at the base. Or Matic and Fabregas on same line in midfield on Chelsea's 4-2-3-1. Even in 4-3-3, the three midfielders have three separate positioning. * You brought Rooney's gif, did RVP not have a similar chance? Did he score? Mata missed from 4 yards. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:57pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
joeace2020: This is wat someone said on dailymail
"So.. If the world cup is that important why are both Brazil´s Centre backs, who took 7 goals from Germany, in FIFPro World XI?" and in i add
Why would a low win the best coach for a tournament that is not highly regarded (according to FIFA selection for awards) as achievement in European football.. why is Simeone not taking that award?
I remember messi n 2010 world cup... FIFA sha These were done by votes. There must always be questions. Taking 7 goals was just one match out of dozens of matches for club and country. Luiz was without his patner, Thiago Silva. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:48pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
FACT:
Last season under David Moyes, Rooney average more than one goal per match as a lone striker. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:40pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
Ibime: FIFPRO 11 is a joke!!!
WTF are David Luiz (who embarrassed himself all year) and Iniesta (living off Xavi his whole career, and has failed to carry the Barca midfield since Xavi disappeared) doing on there? They both had poor seasons. The Luiz I saw in some UCL matches was magnificent. He made dire saves (tackles, clearances, etc) that were world class. Iniester was still doing well last season. I have not monitored him well this season. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:34pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
One more thing Coogar doesn't understand football tactics.
1. Coogar thinks Mata and Rooney functioned as two CMs. No, despite both played in front of Carrick, Rooney was the CM while Mata was the AM. Rooney was to cover up any defensive lapses for Carrick, while Mata was meant to. Play higher. Formation is different from tactics.
2. If Mata is credited for making Valencia function (even though Val had always functioned without Mata),
(A) should we not also credit Rooney for making Young function all the while? Is it only negativities that should be ascribed to Rooney.
(B) should we not blame Mata for failing Rafael in the wing back in the previous league game?
3. RVP played 60 about mins and did not score, Rooney who had exhausted his energy in midfiield should be blamed for not scoring in about 30 mins?
I have always said some people don't know ball. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:07pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
Coogar said Rooney lost us the game? Ukwu!!!
Who even lost possession in midfiled in the lead up to the goal? If it were Rooney who lost possession, gifs for don full here.
Mata lost chances too:
Juan Mata has insisted that Manchester United did not deserve to lose their home encounter against Southampton yesterday afternoon. "To be honest, I don't think we deserved to lose against Southampton. They scored after the break in one of the few chances they had, after a ball that rebounded on the post, and then we tried everything to tie the game. I think we deserved that goal, "In the last 20 minutes we had chances. I had three myself, but yesterday it seemed the ball just didn't want to go in. It would've been very important to make some of them because I believe we could have even won. I tried every possible way until the end, but we just couldn't make it. Next time it will be a different story, I'm sure."
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Even if Rooney gave a MOTM performance and lost a chance, he would be blamed. But na Mata and Carrick cost us. No blame. Smalling lost possessions that Jones blailed him out. Jones is useless he said. Na wao! |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:41am On Jan 12, 2015 |
SailorXY: what's the point playing two strikers when we can't even spot their movements or create even two chances for each per game?
even against minnows like Yeovil, see the way we were struggling to create anything - diagonal passes & keeping useless possession by returning the ball to de Gea! what is exciting about such displays?
Rafael & Shaw are very good full backs & should continue as such. the excuse was that he's forced to play this system because of injuries, what's his problem now?
4-1-4-1 or 4-4-2 diamond was clicking nicely, I'm sure 4-3-3 will do just fine - we must make the UCL so he better drops his arrogance. see how we've wasted multiple opportunities to close the gap @ the top with very winnable games; yet we are falling even more behind  We spotted Di Maria (2nd striker) many times yesterday. Even RVP was set in a position to shoot at the goal yesterday. Although I agree the 3-5-2 is a problem. We were getting results with it initially because of the wing backs functioned with Val and Young. Without Young, we have some defensive stability with Shaw but the attacking threat is gone from the left side. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:44am On Jan 12, 2015 |
SailorXY: there's no problem facing him, in fact this is an easy choice to any keen eye who sees Man United games. the line up today was perfect but the formation was useless & has been too static since van Gaal employed it. the average chances created with this formation is less than three, why exactly is LvG persistent on this 3-5-2? compare our game to the days 4-4-2 diamond were employed, or even the formation against Chelshit & City. there's no point being arrogant over nothing, LvG should accept this formation doesn't suit his players right now & do the needful. nobody is saying he's not doing a good job resurrecting the club so far, but the current experiment is not even as pretty as the discarded ones! why is this so hard to see for the coaching crew?? 4-1-4-1. That will make Falcao to be on the bench. It means Di Maria will most likely be in the wing. or 4-3-1-2 we played against Everton (I think), This is the best if we must play two strikers. We can accommodate RVP, Falcao, Rooney, Di Maria and Mata with this. Or at least 4 of them. SailorXY: see how it is affecting Shaw & Rafael, forcibly converting players! is this why we paid £25+m for Shaw? He is already making his hard choice. These are some of his less favourite players. The real reason he doesnt want to play four at the back. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:38pm On Jan 11, 2015 |
PietroRico: I thought u meant deeper in the 352 context. I mentioned diamond (formation). The problem really is that Gaal has not fully understood this team and how best to combine these players. When and how to use Herrera. The Carrick/Blind choice. Even what formation would accommodate all his favourite players. The above are the problems facing Gaal. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:32pm On Jan 11, 2015 |
Odunharry: elampiro gist me about the match and players performance.. If there was a player who really played well today it has to be Antonio Valencia. If we had Ashley Young drilling them from the other end, we would have easily open them up. Sincerely, it was the fist time I saw Southampton defending a game at goalless. We should just have continued going ugly to see if Di Maria could produce a magic moment. The rest you have read. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:22pm On Jan 11, 2015 |
PietroRico: then what happens to carrick and blind?
This 352 should only be used in desperate times, not when we have everyone fit. ...........Carrick/Blind Fellani.....................Di Maria ...........Mata/Rooney. But it shots out Valencia and Young. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:20pm On Jan 11, 2015 |
Odunharry: elampiro gist me about the match and players performance.. You really did not watch the match? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:49pm On Jan 11, 2015 |
Who really believed that Falcao was dropped? I don't believe Falcao was dropped and Wilson made the bench. They should tell us exactly what is happening to Falcao. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:44pm On Jan 11, 2015 |
PietroRico: Everyone's fit and this man has refused to do away with 352. Wth?
And di maria, I'll revisit his issue at season's end. I think they should deploy him deeper. May be the diamond, with Fellaini in the midfield. |