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Reds skipper Wayne Rooney has been voted by fans as our Player of the Month. Congratulations, Wayne!


He lost to DDG in November. Now he came first ahead of Young and Carrick with about 46% of the votes.

Nihilist:
Mehn I also give up.

You have no option.

Yiu were trying to tell us Berbatov can control first ball, then after wards he wouldnt control the next simple ball. That can't be true. And he does it every 29 minutes?

coogar:
so is that miscontrol the first touch? illiteracy is a disease. van persie would have been awarded an unsuccessful touch when he failed to score against lloris......but his first touch before he miscontrolled the ball with the 3rd touch was 100% perfect.

so elampawa - is the first touch the same as the miscontrol?

illiteracy is a disease.




on which planet is berbatov more erroneous than rooney in ball control? rooney plays deep, runs into areas where he can get away with his atrocious first touch - berba/RVP/falcao play in areas where they are more heavily marked. rooney has more passes closer to de gea than any of our striker - how would he miscontrol in that area of the pitch when there's no marker breathing down his neck.

this is the 12th time you have been exposed - you don't have the IQ to draw conclusions from data and statistics.

Enlighten yourself further. You need education.


OPTA:Tackle - Unsuccessful Take-on/Dispossessed . 

A tackle is awarded if a player wins the ball from another player who is in possession. If he is attempting to beat the tackler, the other player will get an unsuccessful Take-on. If he is in possession but not attempting to "beat" his man, then he will get a dispossessed.

RVP had an unsuccessful take on. Not unsuccessful touch.


Unsuccessful touch is basically about first touch. Any further activity has to do more with dispossessed and unsuccessful take on.

Cc Nihilist.

Key passes.

Rooney beat Berbatov 2 seasons to 1. Rooney had the better key passes per minutes in 2010/11 and 2011/12



I said it. The lazy man was only making safe passes.


Yori Yori.

dopeJemi:
No need for this long talk, coogar, bring a gif of our game against tottenham, where rooney wasted that sublime pass

That's a very clear example

For everyone like that by Rooney, Berbatov has wasted three.

Stats dont lie.

coogar:
opta said rooney has the worst possession stats - berbatov consistently destroyed him.

Show me any season Berbatov had more opta scores than Rooney?

coogar:
•berbatov was the best striker in the premier league in his debut season in england

•berbatov won the golden boot in england(excluding cheap penalties to boost his stats)

•berbatov has scored more international goals than rooney in spite of his retirement few seasons ago.

•rooney had no hand in our european glory. anderson, nani, contributed more as substitutes than wayne rooney.

•lastly, berbatov looks better than rooney - rooney looks like shrek.....the cross between a gibbon and a congolese pig.

Yet he never got into FIFA known strikers. Berbatov is renowned for scoring against weak teams and weak footballing countres. Rooney has made FIFA LIST AS BEST NUMBER 9 IN THE WORLD.

coogar:
rooney is the worst striker we have had in the last 11 years as far as controlling the ball is concerned. even welbeck, chicharito & wilson have a better first touch than rooney.

From your dream and imagination.

OPTA has spoken. Rooney is above all of them in ball control. Only Mata and Di Maria are better.

coogar:
how many did he play?
fergie's tactics in europe is to use a lone striker - absorb pressure for long periods and counter attack with pace.

berbatov ain't suited to such pre-historic football. square peg in a round hole for the kinda football we play in europe. in the premier league, in his 3rd season, berbatov achieved what rooney hasn't been able to cop in his entire career.

Did Berba win EPL player of the season?
Did he win UCL trophy?
Has he played UCL final?
Has he won golden boot in world club cup?
Has he won golden ball in world club bal?
Has he was UCL highest Assist of the season?

Rooney is king.

Ball control:
Rooney >>> Berbatov, Falcao and RVP. - OPTA

I will be back much later.

coogar:
yeah right!
berbatov hid from the ball & won the golden boot without a single penalty. rooney never hid from the ball and he has failed to win the golden boot for 11 seasons.

tell us another lie.

How many UCL goals did Berba score for us in 4 years?

Nihilist:
Berbatov can trap a 50 yard cross field ball dead 10 out of 10 times, but may also subsequently give the ball away 10 out 10 times with his second touch.

The closest the home side came to a real chance was from Pajtim Kasami's early through-ball to Berbatov.

The Bulgaria striker looked well-placed to control and sneak through for a one-on-one with Spurs goalkeeper Lloris.

But his first touch let him down at the crucial moment, and the half-chance evaporated on the icy autumn air.

Andre Villas Boas believes his Tottenham side are back to winning ways after the 2-1 win over Fulham.

.http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/287425/report

........


Marseille offered little evidence of how they won the French title last season. It eventually came at the start of the second period, when Lucho Gonzalez seized on Dimitar Berbatov's failure to control deep inside the United half and whipped over a curling cross for Brandao, whose firm header was directed straight at Edwin Van der Sar.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/latestsport/178307/United-held-in-Marseille





How come this? There are many countless out there.



See you tomorrow.

coogar:
11/12 season(passing stats)
berbatov - 83.5%
rooney - 80.7%

10/11
berbatov - 80.3%
rooney - 76.9%

09/10
berbatov - 77.9%
rooney - 73.6%

whether rooney plays deep or plays as the arrowhead, he consistently gave the ball away far more than berbatov.

elampawa, ask yourself - what was rooney doing with the ball?

Safe passes. Yeye pases.

Bebrbaov was hiding from the ball in heat zone. That's why he had less number of passes than Rooney. Yet he was having poor control of the ball.

coogar:
so how come you didn't include the one rooney was found wanting even from a deep position in your analysis?

i will be back with more stats....




so you need nihilist to tell you that first touch is a completely different stat from dispossession stats?

shame on you, elampawa!

Unsuccessful touches is not the same as dispossessed.

I will also bring more stats tomorrow. I want to rest for now.

coogar:
10/11 season.

berbatov - top striker
rooney - number 10.

berbatov got dispossessed 45 times
rooney got dispossessed 56 times

elampiro's conclusion - berba loses possession more than rooney??



you know your own don finish when nihilist(your attorney) opposes you publicly in this debate. there's nothing more to say than you have cooked your goose.

Toroise

I gave you two seasons. You manage to bring one.


Rooney won again.



Nihiist is on his own defending his earlier comments

Nihilist:
Oga first touch is different to the subsequent touches.

1st touch is the initial control when a player gets the ball, the other touches you're talking about are related to dribbles

Berbatov can trap a 50 yard cross field ball dead 10 out of 10 times, but may also subsequently give the ball away 10 out 10 times with his second touch.

2 different things bro

Opta's Event Definitions
02 October 2013

Touches

A sum of all events where a player touches the ball, so excludes things like Aerial challenge lost or Challenge lost



Touch/Unsuccessful touch

When the ball bounces off a player and there is no intentional pass, we award a touch. Where there is a mis-control we award an Unsuccessful touch.


.......





Do the above definition exclude first touches?

coogar:
flawless victory?

a pundit that has no common sense to differentiate between the first touch that controls the ball and subsequent touches is claiming victory? if you have any shame, you will log out.

It's a flawless victory. You told us Rooney gets dispossessed more than anyone in the world. I brought stats to defea you.

You said Rooney has no first touch, I brought unsuccessful touches to defeat. You are here sending gif and theory.

Nihilist:
Oga first touch is different to the subsequent touches.

1st touch is the initial control when a player gets the ball, the other touches you're talking about are related to dribbles

Berbatov can trap a 50 yard cross field ball dead 10 out of 10 times, but may also subsequently give the ball away 10 out 10 times with his second touch.

2 different things bro

The argument is about possession lost. That was the genesis. They said Rooney losses possession any how.

The unsuccessful touch is the best to measure our argument. I includes first touch and other touches.


This is a flawless victory for me. Coogar needs education.




Everything you guys are saying is theory. I.have seen. Berbatov miss many first touches in Minute United.

Odunharry:
i gifff up....*faint*

You have no option. We are talking undeniable facts from stat.

Opta states clearly what a touch is. it excludes ball contests.

It states what an unsuccessful touch is= miscontrol.

The worst of all is the irony that Rooney who touches the ball most has less micontrols per minutes as against Berbatov, RVP and Falcao.

Mata and Di Maria are slighly above Rooney. But Valencia is Oga of good control.

coogar:
that's what you get when you are arguing with an illiterate. we are discussing first touch that controls a ball & makes the ball stick to the feet and this dork thinks we are talking about shot on target.

i dunno if he's trolling or he has reached the zenith of his little intelligence. what has the control of a ball gotta do with the number of touches a player makes?

that berbatov gif that had him killing a ball is an example of first touch. if he then decides to dribble after that touch and he gets dispossessed, does that have anything to do with the first touch that controlled the ball?


when they likened him to a toothless illiterate, he gets angry & yet he keeps disgracing himself in public. how can anyone argue in the 21st century that first touch = number of touches a player make?

some mothers do have them......



he'd better be fit!

' Where there is a mis-control we award an Unsuccessful touch.' - OPTA


And Berbatov have more miscontrols per minutes payed than Rooney.
Same with Falcao and RVP. They have more miscontrols than Rooney in every parameter.


Stats are facts. Remember. Yori yori.



OdunHarry, just agree you didn't e0xpect this outcome.

Odunharry:
elampiro just dey argue with himself i swear...he has missed d whole point of discussion


In other news,Luke Shaw expected to be fit to face Southampton

Be guided:



02 October 2013

Touches

A sum of all events where a player touches the ball, so excludes things like Aerial challenge lost or Challenge lost



Touch/Unsuccessful touch

When the ball bounces off a player and there is no intentional pass, we award a touch. Where there is a mis-control we award an Unsuccessful touch.













Rooney has control than Berbatov: fact:

The way they hyped Berbatov, one would think he never had unsuccessful touch all his life.

When he succeeded in doing one magic in 10 matches, that would end up as the life time highlight for soccer 'kids'.

coogar:
elampiro, you are a bush man!
you keep disgracing the respectable united fans with your poor english comprehension. what brought us here is rooney's poor first touch - not the number of touches he gets per game. first touch = his command of the ball when he receives a pass.

I guess the over head kick against Man City was from a second touch. Goals against Necastle from across, goal against Liverpool in the preseason were from seond toches. My guy, it is harder to score from first time shot than to make a pass. My pont.

In our last game, if he had a poor touch to Mata's pass, he woudn't have been able to send Di Maria free. Rooney has great first touches like ayone else.

coogar:
head, leg, chest, knee, bütt can all qualify as touches. rooney's poor first touch has nothing to do with number of touches he makes per game. don't colour the argument with your poor use of english language.

Number of touches in a game has a direct correlation with the number of poor touches and unsuccessful touches. The more you are invoved, the more you make mistakes. If RVP drops to midfield, his number of poor and unsuccessful touches will increase.

coogar:
we had to literally tutor you yesterday when you were confusing shot on target with first touch. first touch is not the same as number of touches so your stats have no bearing with the argument. only a fool would argue that rooney has a better control of the ball than berbatov, RVP or mata.

You need education. You told this house that number of saves a goalkeeper makes in a match is dependent on the number of attempts the opposition have on him. Same way, if Rooney stays idle in a match like RVP does, you woudnt notice any error, or the errors will be minimal.




Now back to Berbatov
2011/2012
Macheda unseccesful touches was every 14.7 mins.
Welbeck unseccesful touches was every 32 mins. Dispossessed every 30 mins.
Nani unseccesful touches was every 39 mins. Dispossessed every 33 mins.
Hernadez unseccesful touches was every 41 mins. Dispossessed every 49 mins.
Cleverley unseccesful touches was every 43 mins. Dispossessed every 145 mins.
JS parkunseccesful touches was every 48 mins. Dispossessed every 51 mins.
Berbatov unseccesful touches was every 51.3 mins. Dispossessed every 36.6 mins.
Rooney unseccesful touches was every 55.7 mins. Dispossessed every 38.9 mins.



Note: Rooney made a pass every 1.7 mins (avaerage of 53 passes per match) while Berba made a pass every 2.2 minutes( 41 passes per match). Hernadez was making 24 passes per match.

^^^

What excuse would he have now?
May be they will say Rooney played in the midfield in 2009/10 while Berba played as sole striker. UKwu!!!


One will think Berba doesn't have unsuccessful touches. I will review his recent years later. For now, it's have a good day.

2009/2010

Dispossessed per minutes

Macheida 14 mins
Berbatov every 29 minutes
De Laet
Giggs 29
Nani 30
Rooney every 31 minutes.



No record kept for unsuccessful touches. I would have disgraced Berbatov further.

BinghiNya:
RVP should be shot in the balls, 8 goals as Wazza, and wazza operates more in the middle, RVp is useless

Rooney has played more minutes.

If it were the opposite, we wouldnt be allowed to say a jack here.

Falcao unsuccessful touch and dispossessed is very woeful. Having 9 unsuccessful touches in just 60 mins vs Tottenam, 7 against Stoke . Rooney has played 90 mins a few times as a striker and has never had such figures.

Man United vs QPR,
Rooney and RVP played as a strikers:
Rooney had 79 touches........ only 1 unsuccessful touch
RVP 47 touches................... 4 unsuccessful touches.

Man United vs Leicester
Striker Falcao............... Falcao played for 71 mins with 4 unsuccessful touches- 37 touches
Striker RVP........... RVP 2 unsuccessful touches, 3 dispossessed - 38 touches
number 10, Rooney.... Rooney zero dispossessed only 1 unsuccessful touch- 88 touches

Sunderland vs Man United
Both strikers:
Rooney 2 unsuccessful touches from 60 touches
RVP nil from 35 touches.



Again, the excuse that RVP and Falcao figures is up because they operate in the attacking zone is flawed. Rooney has never had 9 unsuccessful touches in a match whether attacking or midfield.

Total passes to number of times dispossed.

Rooney 845 passes........ dispossessed 32 times
Falcao 186 passes.......... dispossessed 22 times
Van Persie 663 passes..... dispossessed 31 times



Hahahaha. The fact are coming out. Guys who hardly see the ball get more dispossessed.

Now we are going deeper. Number of touches vs number of errors. This is where we start from tomorrow.

Falcao, RVP, Young will come bottom. Berbatov to be exposed from 2009.

Then we go to per minutes.

Finally to short passing. Even Di Maria who plays deeper than Rooney can't even beat Rooney in short passes.
Rooney 644- 99
Di Maria 318 -61

Does this mean Di Maria cannot make a short pass?




See you tomorrow.

dopeJemi:
We were(you and I) not arguing rooney's first touch

No argument here has ever been about yesterday's match. The genesis was Ruudie's general comment. He did not restrict Rooney's performance to yesterday. He made it looked like that was how Rooney had played all season.

Anyone who joined the argument is assumed to have understood my reason for reaction.

coogar:
rooney has been dispossessed 32 times this season(even from deep position) - the highest in the entire squad. it shows rooney's short passing and ball control are in shambles. you can't argue with facts - numbers don't lie.

Useless stat. Put this in relation to number of touches and minutes played. I will give details tomorrow. You will cry for Falcao, RVP and Young

Also, what about recovery? A player who does much is more likely o make error. Rooney scores, assists, tackle, battle in duels, clear from the box etc. While RVP touches the balll 11 times in a match, how will his errors be much?

dopeJemi:
What about yesterday's match?

We are not arguing yesterday's match.