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RuuDie:
@ elampiro.

If you like download the holy bible into a post... you are only making yourself look sillier every passing post!

I don't need any stats to tell me that Rooney has the higher propensity to mis-control a football than Mata... if you are as smart as you claim, you will realise that I have not said that Rooney cannot control a ball!

I don't need any stats to tell me that Rooney has the higher propensity to pass the ball to the wing rather thread 'an eye of a needle' pass - Mata is more likely to do it than him... if you are as smart as you claim, you will realise that I have not said that Rooney cannot attempt to or successfully make such a pass!

If you have more epistles to write, carry on... me na 'Berbatov + Riquelme' combined ontop this thread. If you are as smart as you claim, you will catch my drift!

I won't return your insult. However, stats are facts.

Everyone here knows Rooney has set RVP one vs one with the goalkeeper than anyone else. If RVP were clinical this season, Rooney would have 10 assist already.

As for the square passes, I don't have the stats. If stats say otherwise than what you claimed, then you are wrong. Herrera is the one play directly in our team. Since last season, Kagawa and Mata tend to play to the wing too as we observed.




But wait, how many assists does Mata have this season? He has played the number 10 for us. Rooney even have more assists.

Opta's Event Definitions

Touches

A sum of all events where a player touches the ball, so excludes things like Aerial challenge lost or Challenge lost



Touch/Unsuccessful touch

When the ball bounces off a player and there is no intentional pass, we award a touch. Where there is a mis-control we award an Unsuccessful touch.

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Above was what I published. Coogar you lack education.

coogar:
there must be a bag of dust in your brains. this argument started with you arguing rooney has a better first touch than berbatov. you claimed unsuccessful touch is the same as first touch - and you went to whoscored to bring up stats that unsuccessful touch/dispossession stats = first touch.

why are you changing your tune all of a sudden?




it has nothing to do with it.
the first touch might be excellent & the subsequent touches might be poor - it depends on the situation. stop lumping 2 parameters together. if you don't understand statistics & english, go back to primary school.



which great goal is that? mention the goal - stop throwing up blanket statements.



be specific about the games. stop lying and hiding under blanket statements. in which games has rooney controlled aerial ball? the best chance against spurs was missed by rooney. his first touch sent the ball backwards.



golden boot is nothing and rooney cannot win it? all the best strikers in the world have won it but wayne rooney is too idiotïc & useless to win it. golden boot is an individual achievement for strikers - it's a disgrace that rooney has spent 11 seasons at old trafford and he's never won it.

rooney was a lone striker in many seasons and he failed to win it. in 10/11 season, berbatov started getting benched by SAF. he took no penalties & he would have scored more league goals if he had started towards the end of that season.

tevez took 5 penalties for city. berbatov took no penalties for man utd. berbatov was the better striker that season and he was EA sports best player in the league that season.

stop lying, elampawa.



he spent 4 seasons at man utd and won the golden boot. rooney spent 11 seasons and he's never topped scorer's charts in england. they claim rooney played in the hole most times - but then rooney has never topped the assist charts as well.....in 11 seasons?

the only failure i can see here is rooney.



rooney is wack!
11 seasons without a golden boot nor topping the assist chart in the premier league is an effing disgrace.




in his prime, he was the best forward in europe. rooney is a jack of all trade, master of none.

Lies upon lies. When you lost you resort to lies and insults. Where did I say unsuccessful touch is the same as first ouch? Did you learn English comprehension in school?

igbsam:
All these una arguments dey make this thread tire me sometimes. Una no dey tire ? Elampiro most especially. This guy can argue say shyt no dey pass through the anus

Dispute any facts I have presented or shut up.

Why picking on me, am I the person with most posts here?


Rooney played midfield and his creativity is compared to Mata who played as AM, you expect me to shut up. A midfielder is to destroy opposition build up play and pass the ball. Rooney did that well.

stanech:
na short people dey argue like this. jeez

Lol.

I am 6.1 in feet.

RuuDie:
For me, the difference is you don't put your foot through the ball when it is a 'touch' (first touch or flick). As the ball is coming, you sort of just position your foot so that the ball meets at an elevation and angle suitable for your intentions. Depending on your application, the ball strikes the leg and either stops dead or moves a short further away from you. When not done properly, you may find you have to stretch or run to retain the ball.
What Mata did, was to cushion, support or bring that ball 'under control' into the path of Rooney - altering its speed, trajectory etc. he did not swipe at the ball but rather let the ball run to and strike his foot.

You constantly hear the British commentators using the term "Tee"; as in for example, "Odunharry teed it up nicely for Leggo..." - it is originally a golf term. Look up what it means.

And you don't see Rooney and CR7 do this often? And you believe you know about this more than Rooney or CR7? Go watch clips, you will see Rooney even setting up Assists with such passes.

A certain goal he scored from the edge of the box was a first time foot-stop of a cross and the next was a volley into the net from edge of the box, in a crowded zone.

If you have played football as you appear to sound, you can comfortably do that which Mata did. Wetin dey to jab ball for ground for your team mate. We used to call it 'jab'. 'Jab it down for me'

We know Mata has ball control. But when Mata made a split pass to Rooney, they said if it were Rooney he wouldn't be able to make such a pass, even though Rooney has done it countless times. Even last match he gave a better pass to Maria. Yet they brought a blurred gif that it was too close to the defender. Haba! Wetin we see for TV? Even at that did the defender touch it. Last season he sent Valencia free to score a beauty against Leverkusen, also twice for Welbeck. May be we have forgotten Rooney is the only player keep finding RVP in the box from midfield. He has a chemistry with Di Maria. Are we going to kill other players for not often finding RVP or not combining well with Di Maria?

You guys over hype some players skills. The way you guys started the Berbaov argument, it was like he couldn't give away one possession in 10 matches, he couldn't have an unsuccessful first time touch in a 10 matches. And I knew I always complained how much Berba missed some touches and even sometimes allow the ball to bounce before taking it. I knew he was often dispossessed. How he slowed our attack.

My guy, football is a team work. Van Gaal explained why he sent Mata and Di Maria into that midfield, and they helped changed the game. There have been days Mata and RVP did not play well and Rooney shined to lift the team. I did not come here to 'curse' them because they still played a part.

coogar:
your stats are dodgy in that you are fitting into a wrong theory. first touch & dispossession are 2 different things.

Who has argued that they are same?

I think you can't differentiate between unsuccessful touch stats and dispossession stats.

coogar:
so you now agree first touch has nothing to do with dispossession?

First touch has something to do with unsuccessful touch.

coogar:
rooney doesn't have the ability to bring the ball down when surrounded by 2 markers. berba brought it down, beat his markers, looked up to find rooney & he played a precise pass to him. when rooney was in a similar position against pool, his cross was useless - thank feck mata was on point to square to RVP.

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Just in 2012/13, Rooney scored a great goal from outside the box when he controlled an aerial ball amidst crowded defenders at the edge of the box.

He also has a first time one two aerial pass with Paul Scholes in a UCL away fixture of 2008 I think. Just to mention only these.

coogar:
whereas this same berba.....

•won a golden boot
•scored more international goals than rooney
•scored 5 league goals in a match(no pen)

Golden boot is nothing. A Man United sole striker should win golden boot. Towards the end f that season, United forward were over generous to help him win he golden boot by choosing to pass to Berba instead of them scoring. Yet Berba was wasteful and allowed Tevez to overtake him. If not for the empathy of FA to award extra goal to him, he wouldn't even win.

He is a failure and he talks like one.

coogar:
something rooney will never achieve till he retires his fat arsê. wazza is useless - the whole world knows, that's why half of english fans wanted him out of the starting XI in brazil.

Rooney is England captain and Man United captain. He has made the FIFA best striker. A UCL winner, 5 EPL winner. World club cup winner. World club cup golden ball and boot winner. UCL highest assist. EPL player of the year. £300,00 striker.


Who is Berbatov?

coogar:
the ball is rolled into rafael's path - it was rafael's ball even before rafael took a touch. rafael looked up dwelling on whom to pass the ball to & a marker sneaked behind him to steal the ball from him. how would your dodgy stats record that?

Dodgy stat? Is that Coogar?

coogar:
look at the berba gif up there.
berba's first touch broght the ball down majestically. if in the process of trying to beat his markers, would your stats not say he was dispossessed? would it say anything about the heavenly first touch?

can you now see your folly in HD?

His first touch is a successful first touch.

Losing possession in trying to beat a marker is recorded separately as dispossessed.

coogar:
berbatov's toüches are out of this world - 2 million rooneys put together don't have 1% of berba's tekkers. this was how he destroyed players like rooney as far back as 2009.

That is not up to Rooney's goals from outside the box after beautiful controls.

coogar:
berbagod:
"I want people to remember me as a very good and skilful player. I don't want to be remembered as a top scorer, I've played with strikers with 100 goals, who can't control the ball, It seems like a three-metre pass when they're trying to control the ball with their feet."

rooney is finished!

Words of a failure.

More like a student in his final year with CGPA of 1.7 saying "I don't want to be remembered for academic excellence or second class upper, but my beautiful oratory skills with which I entertained my course mates during break periods, and the good jokes I gave during parties".









Ukwu!!!

coogar:
use your head na.....
de gea catches a deep cross and quickly rolls the ball ahead of rafael. before rafael touches the ball, a defender intercepts and wins the ball. did rafael miscontrol the ball? no. did he touch the ball? no. was he dispossessed? yes.

elampiro - the more you argue, the more i would keep exposing your poor footie punditry. being dispossessed is different from not having an excellent first touch.

this is another example of berba's exquisite first touch.

https://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/nikta-q8/Berbatov.gif

look at rooney the hyena benefitting from another man's sweat.

This is another thing all together. If Rafael couldn't get to the pass, will it be recorded as a completed pass for DDG? This is way too off for the issue we have been discussing.

Any way I get you. You Berbatov has a first touch of a virgin but a second touch of a rapist.

coogar:
only a stüpid human being would mistake dispossession stats with first touch. there has never been a time rooney is regarded better than berbatov in ball retention........besides, a player can lose possession of the ball even before he touches the ball.

see how your stupïdity has been exposed.

Good for the gutters theories.

Unsuccessful touch has nothing to do with dispossession. If you miscontrol a pass to you at your first attempt, it's an unsuccessful touch. It's forms part of the figures I have published that Rooney disgraced Berbatov.

Rooney's first time bicycle kick was voted and awarded EPL best goal ever. An overhead kick so well directed.

That's the best first time effort. Not any yeye cushion passes.








When Berbatov and co score a similar goal- three of great goals from Rooney, we can begin to talk. One against Newcastle from outside the box.

coogar:
you are a prolific liar.....
no one has ever said whoscored ratings were OPTA ratings. all i said was whoscored use opta stats to determine their ratings. after a while, i saw that their algorithm have few flaws cos they use per game instead of per minute.



and yet the entire football world recognises berbatov as the god of first touch while rooney can't get out of his poverty of the first touch. anywhere you turn on the blogosphere - berbatov is highly regarded for his flair & his exquisite first touch. there's no single link on the internet that has praised rooney's first touch ever.



troll alert!



berbatov scored freekicks for spurs in buckets and he has 100% penalty conversion in the league. the only penalty berba has ever missed was that only one against everton & that was a domestic cup competition.



mata's pass isn't first touch - it's a cushioned pass. he didn't control the ball to retain for himself.....learn the difference between touching to retain the ball or touching to give the pass to a team mate.

All these are only good for the gutters. Stories, theories and junks.

Berbatov miscues his touches than Ahmed Musa misses goals for Super Eagles.. When one mistakes enters his leg it becomes a highlight. Stats says Berba is miscontrols his touches too often. Stats are facts.

codedguy1:
How some people take understand question for exam hall come answer am pass is still a mystery.

Rooneys first touch is disappointing for a player of his calibre.

First touch is consciously trying to bring the ball under control to retain it, whatever you do after that first contro to have possession of the ball is not what matters here in this arguement.

Why some can't get it is rather revealing!

1. Statistics say Rooney has the best first touch among the three of them. Unsuccessful touch counts all miscontrol from all touches.

2. Berbatov has sexy touches which most often let him down. Just like Musa has great dribbles which often let him down.

3. Do you have statistics of subsequent touches from first touch? Subsequent touches lead to dispossession and unsuccessful dribbles. First touch leads basically to unsuccessful touch and Rooney won.




We talk facts and stats, not abstract or collection of successful gifs. Are you educated now?

coogar:
pointed it out to who? did you even know who whoscored or OPTA were when you joined this forum? see this mgbeke man claiming? there was a time you were ridiculing opta here - you never even knew stats were collated - you called opta oputa

you should thank your stars you joined NL & you met coogar - the man that opened your eyes.



passing has everything to do with ball control. ronaldo has no first touch - he's just a bully. players who run around like bulldogs rarely have the gift of the first touch. you cannot put ronaldo in the top 10 of players with first touch - that exclusive list belongs to berba, ibra, bergkamp, cantona, silva, etc. none of them runs around like rooney - the reason players like rooney run around is because their touch lets them down & they have to chase after the ball.



cleverley has a better toüch than rooney. he receives the ball & passes it smoothly. although, most of his passes are safe passes but he still does his best.



rooney took more set pieces in those years - berbatov never took set pieces for us. stop magnifying your idïocy than you have already done.



so shot on target is a first touch? rooney's goal against city isn't no longer a first touch - it's a finish! first touch controls the ball in a way to avoid your opponent from taking it from you. there's a difference between controlling the ball to retain & shooting on target.

any idiöt can shoot on target - few players have ball control.

1. As at this time last year, you thought whoscored raitings was opta's ratings until I opened your eyes. You were calling he raitings opta ratings, and you said they were the only objective ratings.

2. Berbatov has a sexy first touch which enters for him on a try your luck basis. Berbatov first touch is not different from Ahmed Musa dribbles. If you collected Musa successful dribbles you would buy him for £300m, but if you have a collection of his unsuccessful dribbles, you would take his football license. Same applies to Berba unsuccessful first touches. They are as awful as village 80 yrs old playing football, sometimes he allows the ball to bounce before he even traps it.

3. Cleverley has a better 1st touch than Berbatov.

4. On set piece. Excuse excuse. Who would give set play to wayward legs of Berbatov?

5. If Mata's pass is first touch, then Rooney's goals from first time are first touch. Since Rooney has the best goal in EPL history, then he has the best touch moments in EPL hisory.

coogar:
stop talking like an illiterate, please. whoscored is an independent sports site. they use opta's data & create their own algorithm to rate players. ea sports also use their own formula to rate the players based on opta's data.

ea sports is premier league's official player rating organisation. opta itself doesn't rate players. they just collate data - it's up to any organisation to process the data and draw their own conclusion. how whoscored got rooney rating 9.9 in a match is up to whoscored - opta do not rate players, they only compile stats on players.



stop lying - opta didn't say that.
if rooney has the better ball control & first touch, why is his passing stat worse than berbatov throughout the time berba was in england?



the passing stats already destroyed this argument. rooney cannot pass the ball because he cannot even control the passes he receives. berbatov has the best first touch in europe, followed by robin van persie.

rooney is a nuisance!

Who doesnt know whoscored is independednt from opta? Something I pointed out long ago.[b][/b]

Passing has nothing to do with ball control. You lack football analytically skills. If passing had something to do with it, then CR7 would have one of the best pass percentage in the world. Sometimes he comes out of a match with 67% pass accuracy and still wins the MOTM.

Cleverley has a high pass accuracy, does it mean he has good first touch?

The fact that Rooney made more key passes tells you alot that Berba was only making safe passes.

Hopefully, from this weekend I will start posting clips of Rooney controls. I will start from his goal in Rome when he controlled Oleg's fine cross before placing it into the net . His nice first time touches and one two inter-connecting aerial passes with Scholes and Giggs against (I think Barca in Camp Nou).

They will say Rooney doent have first touch. Rooney cannot make Mata's first time pass.

folba:
When u talk of ball control nd traping down balls Berbie is miles ahead of Ronnie.U shd compare berbie to the swede god(Zlatan).Buh berbatov's subsequent touches are not as gud as waza's wc makes him lose possesion more.He also takes too long on the ball giving opposition time to close him down nd he often go for xtra ordinary of outrageous pass wc makes him a genius one time nd a fool if he miscues.

Good writing here. However, statistic says Berbatov has worse miscontrol than Rooney. So. On ball conrol, Rooney is better. Berba has a sexy fisrt touch which many times let him down like an ordinary player.

Since Berckham, the Man United player who is most unlikely to miscontrol an aerial long ball is Valencia.

Berbatov has just a sexy touch which he even miscues so often.

[quote author=JayKayMaybachz post=29566549][/quote]That matter is wider than you think.

However, I have proven that Berbatov and RVP miscontrol rate is higher than Rooney's.

What is the essence of even trapping a ball and not being able to retain it?



Lastly, Berbatov has countless of miscued first touches. How many times has he scored one vs one? His first touch always let him down.

ELYMAXiimus:
bros, i believe rooney is/was better than dimitar in total performance.
But in terms of touch nd ball control berbatov was the specialist.... Rooney couldnt/cannot control aerial balls with one touch. this is something berbatov did with ease while he was still in man-u.

* If I already knew Mata will not win or even involve himself in aerial contest, why would I come here every time to shout 'Mata just lost an aerial contest' 'he didn't even jump' 'he didn't even chase back'? If I do that, I pollute the mid of readers.

The argument is broader than you know.

* Secondly, Rooney can control aerial balls, but to do it sexily most time is the problem. But general ball control and possession, Rooney is better. Footballers have unique gifts. If it's by first touch of aerial ball, Antonio Valencia is one of the best in the world. If you throw a hot 110 meter pass to Valencia on the line, he will take it down with one touch, sometimes he uses it to beat a marker as he did to Cole several times.

PietroRico:
my God.
Was it specified?

Yes. Look at the definition of a touch and an unsuccessful touch again.

Only aerial duels and duels are excluded.

PietroRico:
my God.
as declared by magistrate elampiro. Ok then.
You obviously still do not get the idea by now. ok then have fun

Bros, stats are facts. Remember, so we were told.

RuuDie:
Correction... it wasn't Herrera and it wasn't a pass either. It was Mata and it was a 'perfectly cushioned' 'Berbatov-like' ball-control from Blackett's defensive clearance onto Rooney's foot.

Abi you want to drag now that Rooney has 'Berbatov-like' ball-control!!? Wetin concern fatigue with ball-control?

If this pass from Mata to Rooney is counted as great first touch, how is Rooney's goal vs city not greatest first touch in EPL? Rooney's first time goals from outside the box vs Newcasle

This is the root. They always want to rubbish Rooney as having poor control, poor possession, etc,


Nihilist, Odunharry, pietrorico, hope you can see?

PietroRico:
sigh. Ho coogar tk dey argue with you?
What's our business with subsequent touches.
Its has almost no business here.
We don't need any stats to tell who has a BETTER 1st touch.

We have eyes ffs!

How stats wan tey record say person use 30 seconds trap one basic short pass?
How will it record those sexy take downs by mata or rvp.

Smh. Ur matter hard sha.

again, whatever the player decides to do AFTER the sexy 1st touch has no business here.
Jeez.
If berba gets dispossessed on the 2nd touch after 10 sexy 1st touches because of his poor decision making and rooney manages to keep the ball after needing a distance of port harcourt to sambisa to take hold the ball, fact is berba still has the better 1ST TOUCH!

How much simpler do u need this to be broken down?

You are offline in this argument. Let me help you.

1. Mata's pass to Rooney in Yeovil. Is it a pass or first touch? If it's first touch as claimed by Ruudie, Coogar, Odunharry and Nihilist, how come Rooney's first time shot for great goals are not first touches?

This is the basis of all the argument. I don't deviate. Ball control and direction. The rest shift of post na washie.

2. Are errors from first touches not part of unsuccessful touches?

3. Do you have stats on first touches? If not unsuccessful touch stats becomes the criteria with which we measure a players ability to control a ball/pass etc. Not any once in a long while gif or collections of few good touches.

4. Do you have stats for second or subsequent touches? If not, why talk abstract?

If not for stat, would they have even agreed Berbatov has more miscontrols and dispossessed than Rooney. In our summer 2013 argument when I came here newly, I mentioned Berbatov was easily dispossessed of the ball. I was told I was lying that Berbatov was one player you would have to kill to take the ball from him.


Now see stats. Ukwu!!!

PietroRico:
I'm not interested in the whole argument.

The part that caught my attention was when u said rooney had a better 1st touch than rvp and berbatov

if his 1st touch is good or not, isn't my concern but that particular assertion is laughable at best.

If u still can't identify first touch to be just a part of ball control by now, I'm afraid there's nothing I can do.

I go just dey sidelines dey laugh.

U don begin talk about brainwashing

Very soon u go start your conspiracy theories

Carry on oga .

Except you bring up stat showing only first touch, then the one I brought up stands. Unsuccessful touch has more to do with first touch than subsequent touches. Subsequent touches will most likely lead to disposes and unsuccessful take on.

So if Berbaov and RVP have one sexy first touch out of three, while Rooney has two nice first touches out of three, who has done better?

How many times has first touches let RVP down in the box this season?

Odunharry:
lol....elampiro no dy tire??

U dn miss d koko of the argument..na u dy shift post gan

No, you guys are the ones shifting post.

The genesis was control and dispossession. Rooney has great firs touches, just that I don't do gif. But going forward I will be marking events here as they affect our strikers. The reason you guys think this way is because every Rooney's error is marked here. I have good memories of Mata and RVP errors and I never marked them. Also I have many Rooney's excellent first time pass, and I never marked them. Even excellent aerial control in final 3rd this season.

Some people are just expert in brainwashing...

If I went to youtube, I would see dozens of Berba first time poor touches. Even live commentaries. I have provided two reports already.

Odunharry:
this is how it started.....

Exactly, ball control was the subject. Later loss of possession came in. When I brought stat, they started shifting goalpost from left to right. Yet, it is not working for them. Plus you.

coogar:
berbatov was miles better than rooney in 06/07, 07/08, 08/09 and 10/11. that's about 4 seasons. in 2010/11, berbatov was the 5th best player in europe according to castrol ranking. he was the best player in the premier league according to ea sports player performance index(these 2 organisations also use OPTA stats to rate players).



berbatov shat over rooney for 4 seasons. in 08/09, he made 71 key passes to rooney's 57 key passes. he was integral to everything we did that season & it wasn't a surprise SAF had to sell tevez. berba outperformed him.



you are the stark illiterate here....
first touch is a subset of touch. most likely is not absolute. a first touch could conveniently keep the ball with the second touch putting the ball out of play. it's a shame you still dunno the difference between the first touch and other touches.

the whole world is laughing at your idïocy.

Rooney always ranked higher than Berbatov on whoscored and FIFA.

Opta says Rooney has a better ball control. Control involves basically first touch and secondly, retaining possession.


The whole universe is laughing at you. We are talking stats not gifs. Berba has countless first touch miscontrols that should have set him one vs one with goalkeeper

spiceybrain:
Nairalanders this man is totally fake! He used. To be a muslim, he stayed oppsite my house, his dad owns our street. E was d person that brot me home after my waec, I know evrything! Na asaba connection! His real name is suleman his dads name is imodu! E don tay! If u like believe his prophecies.

Pls I will like to know about the Asaba connection.

PietroRico:
elampiro no go kill person here.

Rooney has a better 1st touch than rvp and berba?

See the way he's arguing in the wrong direction with all his energy

Stas say Rooney has a better ball control.

coogar:
it's tedious arguing with an illiterate.
since you dunno the difference between the first touch that controls a difficult pass and the subsequent touches the player makes later then how can we help you?

You are the illiterate here. Opta never defined unsuccessful touch as 'subsequent touches'. Subsequent touches will most likely result in dispossession and unsuccessfull take-on.