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coogar:It's a distraction and I see no correlation with the world cup. Small teams put in more effort in these rubber cups. coogar:How many matches did Rio played in 2012/13 when he was fit? Vidic was not played by SAF because he was just returning from injury. * Don't change things too quickly could mean dont buy players too quickly. ![]() coogar:It's all about money and availability. Moyes bought Mata. |
coogar:You have not said the truth here. I did not type that in the afternoon. And it was not in response to you. I typed it at 7.14 pm in response to SetrakusRa. elampiro: |
coogar:* Moyes wanted to access the team but he didnt know the players were so aged. Ferdinand legs were more tired than Distin who is older. * Moyes wanted to move Man United in the same direction as Real Madrid. He didnt want to start signing average players. Otherwise he would have spent 200 million in panic. |
coogar:European teams won't do well in intercontinental cups just as big teams don't do well when they drop to Europa or are in the Carling cup. DISTRACTION. |
The best ever, by some distance' - What football greatest players ever said about Pele http://www.goal.com/en/news/7130/hall-of-fame-2014/2014/11/11/5153688/the-best-ever-by-some-distance-what-they-said-about-pele?ICID=HP_BN_3 |
SetrakusRa:I can't remember posting this in the afternoon when Coogar and I had a bout. SetrakusRa:Now you agreed SAF team needed an overhaul. ![]() |
coogar:We start counting from Europe. Else we could count Amodu, some coaches in Japan and South America, Egypt. He won nothing in Europe for about 9 years. |
[quote author=SetrakusRa post=27927280]Manuel Pellegrini Who was this man before he won the EPL for Man City? Is Moyes the only coach who had not won trophies upon trophies before getting a big job? |
SetrakusRa:No one has ever argued about CVs here. What we argued is that at this same number of matches, Moyes did better. That argument ended last week. The argument on ground now is Moyes work at Everton. He pulled them out of the gutters into a respectable side. With limited budget. Coogar and I never argued about Moyes vs Gaal today. You and one other guy brought this up without proper understanding of the argument. SetrakusRa:How come Gaal sacked all the supposed SAF players if they were really good? SetrakusRa:So why were they sold by Gaal? Like Ferdinand, Chicharito, Cleverley, Zaha, Vidic etc Abegi ![]() |
With Moyes players, Gaal picked only three points from 2 matches- 3 easy matches. He got us knocked out of the Capital1 cup by Mama Deborah FC in the very first round. He conceded how many goals sef? Moyes used same players to beat Leverkusen 9-2. Crushed Norwich, Stoke Capital1 cup, only lost to DDG's last minute error. Moyes was just a victim of circumstance. Period! I wont say a manager of the season 3 times is a failure. He turned Goodison Park to a lion's den. |
iheanyi40:Learn to follow the flow of an argument and respond appropriately. * A man who won manager of the season in 3 seasons in the EPL is not a failure. If he were a failure, Man United wouldn't sign him. He wouldn't be rated as one of the best ever in the EPL. * for your information, the argument wasn't even about his work at Man United. |
RuuDie:I tell you, Gaal is just a lucky man. 2 points in 3 matches with the old team. He even had Herrera sef. |
SetrakusRa:Without Di Maria, Blind, Shaw, Rojo, Herrera, our first three matches under Gaal were more horrible to watch than what Moyes served us last season. Moyes is just a victim of circumstance. Gaal wouldn't win anything with Ferdi, Evans, Vidic, Evra, Cleverley, Young, Welbeck, Chicharito.... |
Louis van Gaal gives reason for naming Wayne Rooney the captain of Manchester United By Brian McMahon, 8/15/2014 "He accepted the responsibility and I like him very much," said van Gaal of Rooney. "How he trained and also how he performed in the games, how he performed to his fellow players." Though van Gaal seems to have a lot of confidence in what Rooney can do on the field, he has warned his star to stay out of trouble off of it, according to the Daily Mail . http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/2014/08/louis-van-gaal-gives-reason-naming-wayne-rooney-captain-manchester-united ............................. Wayne Rooney told to 'let it fly' as captain of Manchester United by Louis van Gaal... but striker must keep his nose clean off pitch Van Gaal praises Rooney for his 'attitude' after appointing him captain Tells him to 'let it fly' as skipper, but also to keep his nose clean off pitch Van Gaal also believes his squad can cope with the absence of Luke Shaw The United boss said: 'I've made him captain because of his attitude on the pitch and the training ground. 'Not so much outside the pitch, but I've told him that is important to me and he's accepted his responsibility. 'I've liked very much how he has trained and performed so far and how he has behaved to his fellow players. 'After Tuesday's game I joked with him don't try too hard - let it fly. 'In USA he scored a lot of goals and made an amount of assists. That is the Wayne I want to see.' Speaking ahead of Manchester United's first game of the season against Swansea on Saturday, Van Gaal also confirmed that Robin van Persie had 'no chance' of playing, and that the squad could cope without the recently injured Luke Shaw, who has been ruled out for four weeks. 'We played in the USA with Reece James & Ashley Young in that position. I'm not worried,' he said Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2725958/Wayne-Rooney-s-attitude-reason-I-Manchester-United-captain-says-Louis-van-Gaal.html#ixzz3IlgdbpMd Logging our finally. Thanks. |
I get to log out now. |
coogar:Rooney alone was more important to a team than those players you mentioned above as at the time. I see it as losing a 30 million pounds player than the other way. Di you also expect Moyes to win the league from Chelsea, Arsenal and Man United at the time? Without selling Rooney, they should have spent. One would expect the spending to be up to 43 million to make any sense. That spending was not enough to win them the title. Blackburn was spending heavily for three years (more than Man United) before they could win the title from Man united. |
* Rooney won the player of the tournament in preseason and Gaal immediately gave a hint that he could be captain. * Gaal reason when he appointed Rooney: "For me it's always very important the choice of captain. Wayne has shown a great attitude towards everything he does. I have been very impressed by his professionalism and his attitude to training and to my philosophy," said Van Gaal. |
coogar:...and spent 7 million that season. coogar:Lets wait for Moyes to get to his age. ![]() |
coogar:* You have defeated yourself. Cleverley worn the arm band before Rooney. So where is your order of seniority? * Welbeck entered the senior team before Cleverley. He joined the first-team squad partway through the 2007–08 season,[11] and made his competitive debut for the Manchester United first team on 23 September 2008, starting up front in a 3-1 home win against Middlesbrough in the League Cup Third Round.[12] Welbeck's Premier League debut was made on 15 November 2008, coming on as a 63rd-minute substitute for Park Ji-Sung against Stoke City. He marked his debut with a curling 30-yard strike into the top right corner for United's fourth goal in a 5–0 win.[13] On 23 September 2009, Welbeck scored his first goal of the 2009–10 season and first in the League Cup; he hit the only goal of the game in the Third Round against Wolverhampton Wanderers.[14] Welbeck made his Champions League debut in a 1–0 defeat to Beşiktaş in November 2009.[15] The following month he signed a new contract, keeping him at Manchester United until 2013.[16] * I REITERATE IT WAS BASED ON PERFORMANCE. Not any seniority. You can't deceive us on this. ![]() |
coogar:That was the level he met Everton. He should be commended for what he did for them with limited budget. coogar:Martinez is a failure. He demoted Wigan. Forget the fluke FA cup. |
coogar:Cleverley has been in Man United since 2001. So he could pass as an old member. Older in the club than Rooney. The reason he wore the arm band over such players like Evans, Young, Welbeck, Mata, Chicharito, Rafael, Jones, Smaling. Rooney captaincy had nothing to do with performance? Even when Gaal pinned it on performance? lol |
coogar:I don't have time for these long stories. All I see is that he had 11 years blablabla. The managers who were struggling relegation with Everton then, where are they now? Moyes lifted Everton, Martinez demoted Wigan. I won't be surprised to see Everton fighting relegation once under Martinez Moyes players start getting old. |
coogar:Cleverley also worn the arm band and he is Rooney's senior as far as Man United is concerned. You even celebrated it here that Cleverley was given the arm band while Rooney was overlooked. Rooney simply out performed the rest in the build up to the season. |
SIRcumalot:Exactly, we should always wish people well. |
coogar:* I thought Moyes defeated Arsenal last season? * This chart speaks nothing. The question is what position did Moyes met Everton and where did he raised them to? * As at when Moyes took over, Everton were in the same relegation with Bradford City and Coventry. I will like you to show the points won by these two teams against Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool. coogar:Fluke win and he got relegated too. Wigan is yet to recover from that. This is not even supposed to come into the discussion because we are talking aboug the two managers achievement in Everton. Talking about other clubs: Moyes took over as Preston North End manager in January 1998, replacing Gary Peters as the club struggled in Division Two and were in danger of relegation. He had spent much of his playing career preparing for management, taking coaching badges at just 22 years of age and compiling notes on managers he had played under, their techniques and tactics.[13] Preston avoided relegation at the end of the 1997–98 season and reached the Division Two play-offs the following season, where they were beaten by Gillingham at the semi-final stage. The following season, Moyes guided Preston to the Division Two title and a promotion to Division One. An even greater achievement perhaps was to steer Preston into the Division One play-offs the season after that, with largely the same squad. Preston lost 3–0 to Bolton Wanderers in the 2001 Football League First Division play-off Final, missing out on promotion to the Premier League. One month later, Moyes signed a new five-year contract with the club.[14] Towards the end of the following season, he left for Everton, to take over from fellow Scotsman Walter Smith in March 2002. Moyes took charge of Preston for 243 matches, of which his team won 113, lost 63 and drew 67. coogar:Nothing has changed. Those players were carried away last season, but the reality is dawn on them this season. Moyes was just a victim of circumstance in Man United. I don't blame those players, when an elephant falls, even ants and rodents would step on it. |
coogar:How is beating Man United home and away something to celebrate, when Moyes' 10-man had already beaten Man City, and they had always beaten mighty City where others big teams have struggled. Moyes beat United in Carling cup, and he ruined our title in 2011/12. I don't see what Martinez has achieved in Everton. Moyes used to go to Europe and had even finished fourth place (UCL place) many years ago. |
The Manchester United striker has held the Netherlands captaincy since 2013 but a poor run of form for club and country has led some to suggest he should relinquish the armband Robin van Persie has hit back at criticism of his Netherlands captaincy and insists that he still merits the armband given to him by Louis van Gaal – even though the veteran coach overlooked him as Manchester United skipper. Van Persie has held the Oranje armband since 2013, and led his country to a third-placed finish in the 2014 World Cup, though Wayne Rooney was chosen ahead of him as United captain. However, a poor start to the country’s Euro 2016 qualifying campaign – they sit six points behind joint Group A leaders Iceland and Czech Republic – coupled with a disappointing run of form at Old Trafford has led some to suggest he should give up the armband, though Van Persie insists he pays no attention to his critics. "I have the feeling I'm in the middle of the group. The critics don't hurt me, because I get appreciated by people who can really judge,” he said. “I receive the appreciation and feel it every day. The Netherlands is a country with a lot of opinions. Those get harder and harder, increasingly ruthless. That's a trend. I have to deal with it. “Everyone can have his opinion. That's the world we live in. I was chosen by Louis van Gaal on the basis of who I am and what I did and am doing. I don't see why I should change." Van Persie does, however, admit that he feels “responsible” for the Netherlands’ dismal start to their qualifying campaign, which has seen them lose 2-0 to Iceland and 2-1 to Czech Republic, though he insists so-called crisis talks with manager Guus Hiddink were simply "honest" conversations. "As a player I feel responsible, that has nothing to do with me being captain. We want to win and that didn't happen,” he said. "We all feel responsible. We're winners and used to win. It's painful we're in this situation. We must give a good example, first Wednesday against Mexico and Sunday against Latvia." When asked about Hiddink, he added: "Those were other talks than we're used to having. Usually we talk about brillliant goals and fun moments. "But now nothing good has happened at Oranje and you have different conversations. Not negative, but we must be honest and we are honest." http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/4961/international-football/2014/11/11/6030641/van-persie-hits-back-at-critics-van-gaal-chose-me-for-what-i?CMPID=FBUK_141111_VanPersie |
coogar:What has Martinez achieved with Everton? |
coogar:How is he a virus when he pushed Everton far away from relegation zone into European zone? |
Real Sociedad appoints Moyes. |
MrTA:Those days we used to have these kind of tough fixtures on paper but on the field SAF will win 6 or 7 out of them. Mostly in the run in. |
Today, following our important win on Saturday, it seems a bit easier to be here writing these lines about what has happened during the week. The feeling of scoring a goal in Old Trafford is nearly impossible to describe, but I can tell you that is very special… It’s like an explosion of joy shared with everybody in the stadium, the players and the crowd. Even more if your goal secures the three points! Winning this weekend was very important. We came from a few weeks without victories and these three points take us near the teams at the top, and encourage us to keep working hard and improving our game. Obviously, we know there is still a lot to do in order to get where we want to, but it’s easier when you win. We are already thinking about the next game, and it’s a big one, in London against Arsenal. I hope we win again and show consistency in our results. I take this opportunity to send a big hug to all of you and, as always, to thank you for your tireless support at all times. I always try to have good things to share with you and I hope to keep talking about them on this blog. See you next Monday. Hugs! Juan |
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