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nobilis:
You have shifted the argument from one point to the other.
Whether I'm an animal or not is immaterial and inconsequential.
You said homosexuality is unnatural and I've shown you that homosexuality is very much a part of nature. It doesn't matter whether or not I'm an animal. Stop attacking me and attack the situation of discourse.

Moreso, homosexuality has been an existent part of many ancient cultures in Europe and in Africa. Literature about these abound everywhere.

As for your assumption that once you're homosexual, you're actively so, you are very wrong. Having romantic attraction for persons of the same gender is one thing. Acting upon such attraction is another thing. Moses never condemned the attraction. Moses condemned acting upon that attraction.

That someone is heterosexual doesn't mean he is engaged in sexual acts with people of opposite sex. That is why you have virgins. Sex is one thing. Sexual attraction is another thing.

Homosexuality is not about the sex. It is about the attraction. That is why your dictionary will tell you that a homosexual is defined as "someone who is sexually attracted to persons of the same sex". It doesn't define a homosexual as someone who has sex with persons of the same sex. That is to show you that who a person has sex with isn't what makes him a homosexual or heterosexual. A homosexual can have sex with someone of the opposite sex and still remain homosexual. A heterosexual can have sex with someone of the same sex and still remain heterosexual. It isn't about sex. It is about the attraction.

All these are very obvious na. If we can just keep our minds open and study these things, we will discover so many hidden things. It is religion that always blinds us.

Finally, according to your bible, in the beginning, man never knew the difference between good and evil. So don't say it was God who gave man the ability to distinguish good from evil. God never intended for man to know the difference between good and evil. It was after the Devil tricked Eve into eating from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil; that was when man became aware of the difference between good and evil.
I wonder if you read ur bible at all.

* All these long story and theory of yours, ... No single bible passage/verse to back it up?

* According to the dictionary definition, homosexuality are about people who have the gay inclination but are not sexually active. If there are people actually living in this state (which I even doubt) then it wouldn't even be an issue for the church because there is a vocation to a single life. No one would even know about their homosexual inclination. But when it is known, it should be treated by the church. In the Catholic church for instance, there exist for years an apostlelate approved by the Vatican, responsible for helping such people living in this abnormality.

nobilis:
My guy, the bible never said homosexuality is a sin. There is no place in the bible where romantic attraction to people of the same gender was condemned. What the bible condemned was homosexual acts. They are two different things.

Is there any place the bible encouraged homosexuality? It is assumed once you are a gay or homosexual you are active in the act.

Are you saying homosexual relationships/unions are okay?

nobilis:
As for homosexuality being unnatural:
If by unnatural you mean that it is an aberration or perversion of what is obtained in other aspects of nature, I'll suggest you study about sexual behaviour in animals. You'll discover that so many animals have homosexual individuals among their population. You'll also discover that some of these homosexual animal individuals engage in long-term monogamous, homosexual relationships. And one striking thing is that the more you move from non-mammals to mammals and primates, the more the number of homosexual individuals you find among their population.

So I'm sorry to burst your bubble on this one. If the bible said homosexuality is unnatural, then the bible is very wrong.

Are you now an animal? Animals have sex with their mothers and even other species. Some animals eat kids of their kinds.

God made us in his own image and with a super brain and conscience to differentiate right from wrong.

beryl04:
Homosexuality is not a sin as it's not just a decision u make over-night.people are born gay and they should be free to live normal lives without condemnation.
All those 'sins' u mentioned up there are choices one makes in life as one can decide tomorrow to leave those things .
People in committed same-sex relationships shud not be condemned,they should be encouraged !
But I'll prefer u read the whole article though.

The bible says it's a sin. The church was formed from the bible.

I have also read many circular reports which say it's unnatural.

beryl04:
True that. buh religion is really the bane of homophobic attacks such as we witness everyday both in real life and on social media.
That's why this article is put out there for any1 suffering the kinds of pain that this man had to go through .
Churches are suppose to preach love and acceptance not hate and condemnation.

Cc: virginfinder,dinachi,2sa2,mrsanity,kemgox

ubenedictus,elampiro,Kay17,
Chukwudi44,italo,gidjah,syncan,vest new improved FirstEVA ,okparajesus et al...just a quick question ,should we have allowed that young man above to die because he's gay and self-loathing on himself?

I have not read it fully yet. But come to think of it. There are preaching against prostitution, adultery, fornication, masturbation and other sexual related sins. In the bible, all these are sins. The church is built on the gospel. I see no reason why anyone would take offence when there are preaching against these sins. Where does he/she thinks she is, a strip club?

coogar:
if they weren't weak, why did they hire arsene wenger?

I am looking at the quality of players they had before his arrival. The team was well strengthened before he took over. Then he spent so much on top of that in the season he won the league. We could conclude that if he didn't spend more than Man United he wouldn't have won it.

Dadehmola:
The way LVG has frozen him out completely ehn..

I like his game. Too bad we can find space for him. He also can play the number 10.

I think we should keep him till the end of the season. Fellaini can get injured and we will suddenly need a
Herrera. He plays faster than all our midfielders.

I like that Herrera guy so much. He did not do any thing wrong to get treated like this. He was actually helping us so much. May be Gaal saw what we couldn't see. Defensive cover I guess.

coogar:
this still doesn't make sense to me....
97/98 was wenger's first full season at arsenal. what about the residual purchases SAF made the previous seasons before wenger arrived & who were still instrumental to our season?



£22m was nothing to what united had in their squad before 97/98. united had andy cole, henning berg, sheringham, solskjaer, poborsky, cryuff, david may, johnsen. which account should we put those?



kept which money?
did arsenal have a debt to service like SAF? how can you even draw such yeye parallels? when wenger sold anelka to madrid, did he not spend the money to bring henry & sucker to arsenal?

* 95/96 Arsenal sold 2,20 Mill. €, bought 18,35 Mill. € (Bergkamp and Platt arrived.)
Net. -16,15 Mill. €
Man United sold 19,99 Mill., € bought 575 Th. €
Net +19,42 Mill. €

96/97 Arsenal sold 14,62 Mill. € bought 8 players 6,11 Mill. € (bought Veira)
Net +8,51 Mill. €
Man United sold 7,99 Mill. €, 11,23 Mill. €
Net -3,24 Mill. €

97/98 Arsenal sold 1,22 Mill. € , bought 18 players 22,03 Mill. €
Net -20,81 Mill. €
Man United sold 1,25 Mill. € , bought 11 players 13,55 Mill. €
Total results -12,31 Mill. €

Three years to wiining title, Arsenal had a net transfer expenditure of -28.45 million euro. Man United had +3.87.

Arsenal spent their way to win their first title under Wenger.



* Arsenal couldn't have been weak in 1997/1998. A team that finished third in 96/97 with just 7 points from 1st? They equally had big name players before they outspent Man United. Seaman, Tony Adams, Ian Wright, Bergkamp,, David plat, Veira

SailorXY:
Van Gaal didnt sell him na, abi na sell?

He sold him. So we were told in the summer. We took a loss from the deal.

SailorXY, Zaha is not a Man United player na. He is a Palace player.

coogar:
what about the players arsënal sold? is transfer not about buying & selling? you claimed arsenal spent mega in the mid-90s, how's €22m mega?

Pls don't change it. What I said is still there.

* Wenger spent his way to the title in 97/98, I am sure that was his first EPL title. What I said was that he outsepnt SAF. Even if you take net spent, he far out spent SAF.

* £22m was a lot of money in the 90s -football money. Look at the quality of players brought in with that money- Overmas, Petit, Gilles, Upson, Boa, Alexander.

* in subsequent years, Wenger was selling players and spending all the money. In 2000 he sold Overmars for €40m and over spent it. Compare that to SAF who sold Ronaldo and kept the money.

kennygee:
This is what she is Famous for, selling her body.

What i don't get is how why she refused to pose nude for play boy before she got married and became a mother and has now done it for GQ as a wife and a Mother.

She posed for playboy long before she got married.


* And now there is a new one coming out again. She has again (published yesterday in paper mg) posed totally unclad for paper magazine. Full frontal! A mother shows it all. Na wao! She's gone too too far. It is worrisome that the husband permitted this.

Falcao wrote he has resumed training.

I read Rafael too said he is back to training.

Karleb:
...and the worrysome news is that Nani is not coming until the end of the season.

Nani has admitted he's flattered by reports that claim United are keen for him to return to Old Trafford.

His performances have been so good that speculation has mounted that United will look to bring him back to the club in the January transfer window.

That would require a clause in the deal between United and Sporting

When asked about it in a press conference ahead of Portugal's match against Armenia, Nani told A Bola: "I think there isn't a clause but I leave that to others to solve. I do not want to distract from my focus, I want to continue playing my football and then we'll see

"It's always good to feel the affection of the fans. If you ask for my return it is because they recognise that I'm playing well and that could be an asset to their club. That's football. Sometimes you are praised, sometimes criticised.

"I do not want to distract from my focus, I want to continue playing my football and then we'll see."

[Source: abola.pt]

coogar:
arsenal
1997 - £7.0m spent
1998 - £0.8m
1999 - £13.8m

man utd
1997 - £5.0m
1998 - £6.0m
1999 - £28m

so how was wenger a big spender & how did he outspend united?




mourinho, SAF, wenger & gaal are all better managers than moyes - moyes is a failure.

I gave you two years.
* Even your chart shows Wenger spent higher in 1997.

* 1997/8 Arsenal €22.03m , Man United €13.5m. (Arsenal bought Overmas, Petit, Gilles, Upson, Boa, Alexander)
*1999/00 Arsenal €22.65m, Man United €7.95m. (Arsenal bought Henry, Suker, Stefan,)

Good night my people. This was a crazy evening.

coogar:
money did nothing for SAF, he built his empire himself. there was never a time he was handed a sack of cash to buy players. the plenty of titles brought more fans. large fans attracted sponsors, sponsors paid to have their brands advertised.

mourinho can only beat what is put before him. plenty of managers have spent money with nothing to show for it. before mourinho, chelsea hadn't won a league title in 50 years & you are talking about money. abeg, make i hear word.

who are the voters?
an association where 90% of the voters are british? do you even know all the managers of the professional leagues take part in this voting process. who else would they vote for? pellegrini?

arsene wenger that has chiefly operated on a shoe-strïng budget has only won it twice despite the fact that he's one of the greatest managers in this league & yet a perennial failure like moyes got the nod three times? this LMA award is a joke.

* Arsene Wenger spent heavily in some years. Even outspent Man United in 1997/1998 and 1999/2000. SAF was one of the big spenders in the 1990s.

But Mourinho's came with big big money. Same with City, and now Gaal.

mcfarlin:
Mr man rooney can only take a paycut if he moves away from the club and plays somewhere else for less as in sturridges case when he moved to loserpool!

Your earlier assertion that rooney took a paycut to stay was wrong!

Was there any concrete agreement?

There are negotiations behind close doors before papers are signed.

mcfarlin:


You just killed yourself here how can rooney take paycuts from an assumed offer that wasn't confirmed!

Well in a way you are right rooneys love for united is wholly tied to his wallet demands.

You must be new to football.

There are long period of negotiations before deals are signed. Also, Paul Scholes had offers abroad but decided to be loyal. You don't know more than SAF who paid Rooney 250k. He must have seen the heat.

chrisley024:
RvP out of Holland's friendly with injury.
-Hiddink

Not a serious thing.

Not fit, the coach said.

mcfarlin:
Lol..double post!

Bros abeg can you explain why moyes gave rooney a contract that pays higher than what cr7 gets@madrid .

Ronaldo scores more with his left foot than rooney scores with his whole body!

* Your proof that Ronaldo earns less than Rooney.

* Moyes only added earnings from image right to Rooney.

* You don't have the whole picture. Man City were ready to pay Rooney 300k in 2010, but he took pay cut to stay. Summer 2013, Chelsea owner personally wanted Rooney when Mourinho mentioned him. PSG, Madrid and Monaco were options. Even Gerald Pique was asking him to join Barca. You cant know more than the authorities in the business.

coogar:
2003....
the manner by which SAF wrestled the title away from SAF was exemplary. at a point in the season, arsenal were 8 or 12 points above united & SAF worked his magic wand. we left arsenal for dead and won the title aplomb. it's the best case of a smash & grab in the history of the premier league.

ruud scored 44 goals that season in all competitions through the grand master plan SAF devised and it was clear arsenal had the better team that year.



2005 - that was jose's first year in england. he broke the highest points ever notched by a club in a 3-point system in the 20-league band. he copped 95 points, played some of the most swashbuckling attacking moves & had a near impregnable defence.

even SAF respected him & said money isn't everything cos you still have to find the balance to make a team gel. jose was by far the best manager that year - coming to england & claiming the title in england with 95 points. the only game he lost was questionable. how's moyes even considered this year?

2009 - the golden era of SAF. ridiculous number of clean sheets. rio & vidic became legends in europe - went through a 25-match unbeaten run in europe, made the CL final like they did the previous year, completed their third successive league victory with aplomb.

what did moyes achieve this year that can match the above?

Money money money did these for Mourinho and SAF. The voters knew what they were doing.

Peoeple are funny o. CR7 was worse than Rooney in the world cup. I guess Ahmed Musa is better than CR7.

Any way, I wasn't part of the Rooney vs Muller argument because I hardly watch Bundesliga. Two days ago, I saw Dortmund won one nil and the match was the worst league football I have seen in recent times.

mcfarlin:

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Space booked?

coogar:
2003 - SAF

2005 - mourinho

2009 - SAF

* Hahahahahaha. League winners. Big money spenders abi? Big club coaches. Votes are not done that way.

* I can't see your foreigners there. I saw SAF, a Scottish twice. I was hoping to see Zola, Martinez, Banitez.



lol

coogar:
cathy ferguson's sister wasn't dead when SAF met guardiola. if they had discussed the role at all, it would have been at a later date not in 2013. the death of fergie's sister in law prompted his retirement.



are you kidding me?
go back to the old pages when starboard & i discussed the merits or demerits of hiring jose mourinho when SAF announced his retirement.

i followed the situation to nearly every sports article in the world & it was clear that SAF or bobby charlton betrayed mourinho. go on google & read diego torres' article on how jose cried cos he was ignored for the job.

* SAF met Guardiola in USA in summer. Papers reported that SAF had met him to discuss succession. I read it next day, not any thing I read much later.

* I want to be silent on the Mourinho issue. But I know what Mourinho said.

[b]Coogar, below the Moyes' awards. Which other managers apart from the big four should have won it?

2003, 2005 and 2009 League Managers Association Manager of the Year.


2003: After spending the last few seasons struggling against relegation, Everton, revitalised under David Moyes, spent the season challenging for European qualification, at one stage going ahead of arch-rivals Liverpool, who had finished runners-up the previous season. Everton memorably ended Arsenal's unbeaten run in a match at Goodison Park which saw teenage striker Wayne Rooney score the winner, his debut Premiership goal. Rooney was later nominated for the PFA Young Player of the Year award, but lost to Newcastle United's Jermaine Jenas.

............................................

2005: Many pundits had tipped Everton for relegation that season: having escaped relegation from the Premier League by six points the previous season, Everton's task to stay in English football's top flight only seemed harder after the multi-million pound transfer of teenage striker Wayne Rooney to Manchester United after setting the summer's European Championships alight. However, the season turned out to be Everton's most successful in Premier League history as they placed fourth in the league with 61pts
................................................


2009- finished 5th and FA Cup runners up. [/b]

coogar:
this is even the more reason it's by british hype. wenger(french) & kineaar(irish) are the only foreign managers to have won that award in the history of the premier league.

even you yourself should be embarrassed by this damning fact when foreign managers have consistently whooped british managers in the premier league.



but SAF arrived with his pedigree. he had won plenty of titles in aberdeen before he signed. actually, his feat in the scottish league surpasses whatever any of guardiola or mourinho have achieved.



guardiola already had a contract with bayern by the time it even came out SAF was retiring. jose was waiting for SAF's call & it never came cos the old wily fox preferred a manager thee has an allergy to club success.

jose should have been given the job. he cried when he heard a fool like moyes got the job & jose quickly reconciled with abramovic to get the chelsea job as spain was getting too heated for him.

mourinho wanted the united job more than the chelsea job. all those antics he played when we lost to madrid admitting the better side lost on the night is just what it was - aśslicking to get the united job.

You got this part completely wrong. SAF met Guardiola in the summer of 2012. That Mourinho's story you mentioned there ....... that is not the way it happened.

Anyway lets leave the arguments.

coogar:
that's the thing about some of these useless british managers. they all have friends in the media to hype their small mentality to the high heavens. moyes got the united job by the virtue of his nationality....

if he was from serbia or holland, he would never have been considered for it. scottish solidarity killed ferguson & ultimately cost united. i like how fergie quickly dissociate himself from moyes.

let the fool carry his own cross himself...

SAF is a British manager too.

You have forgotten SAF approached Guardiola and Mourinho b4 Moyes. Moyes was a logical choice at the end because the desirables were not available, and Moyes familiarity with the EPL got him the job- something we were told by the board. No one here mentioned Martinez when SAF resigned.

mcfarlin:
Chai!!!


Bros small small we all know moyes is a failure!

He was overhyped by the british press because of his nationalty!

Moyes didn't win anything at everton or did he?

Even michael laudrup is better than moyes

Why are you taking me back. A manager who plays a cup final tried. You need luck to win it. Finals are dicey anad can be swung either way in seconds.

He was voted manager of the season 3 times. That wasn't by British hype....

coogar:
it's the same & there's no distraction. european teams cherish playing in them cos it's usually played in tropical countries where warm weather is welcome at that time of the year.



35 appearances for rio - he won the PFA slot as the best defender that season. he was well rested in the domestic cup competitions & in champions league so he can perform optimally.



fergie specifically told him to keep the backroom staff.



mata wasn't what we needed when we bought him. woodward just used the mata deal to please the irate fans. moyes had the whole summer to work out who to bring in & the fool ruined that season - it was until the last day of the transfer he made any move to sign herrera & it was too late by then.



na yam?
allardyce, redknapp, hodgson, benitez, martinez, pardew, etc have more intelligence in their toe-nails than moyes. moyes is a failure - the worst manager in the history of the EPL.

The argument is becoming too lengthy and multiplying. I haven't the time anymore to continue.

coogar:
but moyes is a failure, yes or no?

He was one of the best managers in the EPL before we hired him. He had won the manager of the season 3 times. He missed out on Carling cup narrowly after beating Man United in the semi final. He narrowly lost FA Cup final to Chelsea in 2009. He had finished 4th in the league and made Everton a feared team in the EPL.