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StarBoard: They were not worse.
If you say they were not rated, I could agree but to say that a side who had Totti,Grosso,Buffon,Cannavaro,Gattuso, Luca Toni, De Rossi, Pirlo is worse than a collection of Hulk, Fred, Oscar, Maicon, Luiz, Dante is an absolute lie and a falacy.
That side conceded only one goal in open play throughout the tournament, if I'm not mistaken.

Their game was poor and really antifootball. They adopted Cameroun old style of football, or what Jose Chelsea played against Athtletic Madrid in Madrid.

This Brazil team has two players in FIFAproXI. They have Neymar who can be argued as one of the first four (Messi, CR7, Bale and Neymar). They have guys from Bayern Munich, Barcelona, PSG, Chelsea, etc. They are regulars for their clubs. Brazil first 11 are good individually. May be they would be stronger if they went through the rigours of qualifying series.

StarBoard: And that team is what you would term a contender?
Apparently the team concept is different to us. In a team everyone plays for the other. Did the Brazilian team play for Neymar and vice versa?
Your unaswered questions are mounting.

And how were Germany lucky against Algeria?

Alessandro (not Alexander) del piero wasn't even a starter for Italy as you seem to imply.
You are making my argument for me when you list all those names as reasons for Italy winning the world cup, which goes to butress the well-known fact that you do not need a superstar to win the world cup. When you play as a unit, as the Germans and Dutch have been doing:defend and attack in numbers, you will go furthest. The Brazilians did not even have an identity or philosophy throughout this tournament:their attackers aside from Neymar were absent, no flair or guile from the middle,no certainty in defending.
Yet you think that those tow absentees were enough reason to lose scandalously.

* Algeria had the greater chances to finish the game off. It can be argue they were more purposeful.

* Del Piero was very influential when the chips were down in the semi final and final. Cannavaro held ther defence together even when his colleagues over lapped. Something Brazil didn't have once Neymar and Thiago left.

* The argument is getting too long for me now. So I am closing it.

In 2006, the Italian defence won them the world cup. Even though Toni and Totti were feared strikers at the time, they didn't have a great world cup in terms of goals. Del Piero having to bring his experience when it matters.

*** Imagine if that team didn't have Cannavaro, Zambrotta and one more regular player to face Germany in the semi final. They didn't even have a quality forward player like Neymar.

StarBoard: With all Neymar and Thiago leading, they managed to become a dirty team against lowly Colombia, struggle with Mexico and Chile and reap dodgy decisions vs Croatia.

... And Neymar + Thiago left, Brazil conceded seven against a team which almost lost to Ghana and were lucky against Algeria. Don't you see the influence of Neymar and Thiago?

As I said, every team has a leader. Italy team os 2006 were poorer in terms of performance but they won it. When the chips were down, they relied on a solid defence led by Cannavaro and individual brilliance of such players as Alexander Del Piero, then Tony and Totti upfront who were feared. This time around for Brazil Fred was not feared, only Neymar. And he missed it.

StarBoard: All this story is devoid of the issue at hand.

We are asking how well Brazil have played thus far to validate your position that they are not wack and you are talking of hindsight.

Against Croatia, the ref failed to send off Neymar for an elbow. He remained on the pitch to score two goals, one of which was a penalty that the ref manufactured because Fred went down.
Against Mexico they could not break the opposition down.
Against Cameroun, they rallied to push back a squad ripped apart by internal strife.
Against Chile they struggled and toiled to a penalty shootout win.
Against Colombia, Fernandinho managed to remain constantly fouling James Rodriguez, among others like Gustavo.

Leave story for tortoise. Socrates, Garrincha and other fallen Brazilian heroes would turn in their graves after seeing this nonsense this present squad has been serving up for the past three weeks.
Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Ronaldo de Lima, Kaka and Roberto Carlos would definitely prefer not to be mentioned as alumni of the Selecao after seeing this cr$p by a team of misfits claiming to represent Brazil at their home world cup.
Scolari feels that Hulk and Fred and Jo are Brazil's best options when it is clear to everyone that they are pale shadows of themselves. Yet he left Diego Costa in the shade and forced him to play for Spain. Which is why I don't feel sorry for those tear-shedding Brazilians after getting slaughtered for booing Costa during the prelims, but I digress. There is a Miranda who was a huge pillar in Atletico's run last season, yet he was also ignored in favour of clowns like Dante and Luiz.
Yet Neymar and Thiago Silva and Dani Alves (who was benched for not playing to instruction and causing his defence more problems than solving them) are the reason why Brazil fell scandalously to Germany in your book.
continue analyzing backwards. Even the Brazilians themselves have accepted they were not good enough. Scolari said in his post match interview that he didn't see what Neymar would have done, yet you are here calling Neymar.

By the way, I've been reading some of your posts. You claim that a Thiago-led defence could not concede 4 in 90 minutes, forgetting that he has defensive m0r0ns like Marcelo and David Luiz. I Sure hope the check PSG issued Chelsea for him has cleared.

You will agree with me that the Italian team that won the 2006 world cup were worse than this Brazilian team. They didn't have any pattern except that they were just wobbly their way through. In 2002, that Brazilian team had good players but were not anywhere favourite, more so they almost crashed out of qualifying series (if I could remember). They were rated very low.

As for Thiago, you got it wrong. He has been covering all the shits of his midfielders and overlapping full backs. Something he should have done for Fernadinho, Luiz, Marcelo and co yesterday. Thiago is still the most difficult defender to get dribbled one on one. Luiz constantly left Dante and Fernadinho behind, when the pressure came, the dou were confused as to what to do. Luiz himself has not been an out and out centre back for two years.

Lastly, Scolari doesn't have to give excuse but to take blame. Otherwise he wouldn't be brave and be sporting.

Dadehmola: If they had lost their group matches, they'd have been out of the completion long ago -do you need to be reminded of this ?

Football is not 1+1. If Brazil had conceded to trail at that stage, they would have fought harder to still win.

Sometimes it is even better lose first match to shake a big team off its complacency.

Dadehmola: Even If Thiago silva and neymar were present yesterday, Brazil would still have lost...maybe not as shamefully as they did sha!

I already have seen that match twice and two highlights. The major problem remains the confusion in the central defence. The worst thing was that Fernadinho was confused position wise, he alone caused 3 errors leading to three of the first 5 goals.

These three players (Neymar, Thiago and Alves) are the best and leaders of the team. Why do we credit Maradona for Argentina success in '86? Why do we credit Di Lima, Rivaldo, and may be Ronaldinho and Lucio for Brazil 2002 success? Why do we say a player, or some players are the ones carrying their teams? May be that 'language' should be stopped here. Brazil were toothless without Neymar and highly vulnerable without Thiago and Alves.

StarBoard: The issue is not on one-off games.

The Brazil we have seen thus far this Mundial is distinctively wack.

If you lose two players and crumble this quickly, then you must be dripping of wack juice.

Tell us one game so far that you were convinced about Brazil's ability to be contenders in this World Cup

It is easier to analyze these things now from hindsight. The only thing I read on this thread before any semi final match kick off, was that Netherlands was the weakest team. In 2002 I remember many friends telling me Brazil were the weaker side going into the Q/final clash with England, I was the odd man out, and my uncle felt I was insane. Similar thing happened when Italy played semi final and final against Germany and France respectively in 2006. In those two world cups, many people felt Brazil and Italy were very weak among other contenders.

Before the confederation cup, Pele wrote off Brazil, but they surprised the world. What happened yesterday is one of those surprises of life. It won't end with Brazil as it happened yesterday. I still believe if they didn't lose three leaders at same time, they stood a great chance of winning the world cup. Fernadinho alone was responsible for at least 3 of the first 5 goals. Luiz who led the defence has not been a steady full back for 2 years in a row now. They were highly depleted and wounded before the battle.

SailorXY: if all the players you mentioned was there, Brazil would have still lost. as far as I'm concerned, they are the weakest team in the last 4; & they didn't respect the the Germans from the beginning. they started the game exactly the same way they started against Cameroon: an all out attack. even Luiz was bombing forward in search of an early goal, who the hell did they believe was their opponent?
Scolari was busy feeling like a god all the while instead of calling for caution mtcheeew

I was so pained the Germans didn't push that much in the second half & completed the 10 goals.

Most times, you need a leader on the pitch. They lacked leaders at the rare and in front. They were shapeless in the defence without Thiago particularly and Alves, and they were lame going forward. Thiago's defence wouldn't have lost shape so easily even if they were to go all out attacking or play 9 vs 11. Luiz is a very impatient human being, he is too attack minded instead of focusing first on his primary function first.

Secondly, the Germans knew the threats were just empty drums without Neymar. Fred has had a bad tournament and a certain Jo on the bench is just a worm. They were really depleted and ruined going into that match.

The general mistake was the decision to attack despite the goals they were conceding. This was the mistake Man United made when we lost to City 1-6. SAF said he felt at 1-4, his boys should have given up and keep the scoreline respectable.

*** As for me, I am already shifting ground on Messi. I used to ask what he can do outside Barca- without Xavi, Iniester, and co. Already I can see he's capable of influencing another team. This means if he is taken to PSG or Man City or Man United or Chelsea, he will influence the team in the manner Ronaldinho influenced Barca to be suddenly feared by all.

*** Anyone who thinks Brazil didn't miss those three player had to consider that the only two names on FIFApro XI, and both missed this match. Then they missed their most dreaded man- Neymar.

Haba! What are we not talking about?

PietroRico: God forbid evil!!!
I won't be able to stand the messi arsz licking that will follow.

He'll automatically become the greatest player ever to his fans and person no go hear word put.

Again I say GOD FORBID!!!!!

This is my fear. Otherwise it's Argentina all the way now. Any way, any how sha.

Dadehmola: Brazil, France and England- which team wack pass?

A team that played semi finals is wack?

Even this Germany, no be by luck dem take pass Algeria for second round? I guess you saw that match?

Dadehmola: If Brazil weren't hosts, they would prolly have lost all their matches in the group stage !

Elampiro, even with silva and neymar, this team is whack- accept it and move on.

I don't agree at all. At worst, Brazil would finish second. If referee helped them as you claim, did referee also help them in the 2nd round and quarter final? Netherlands, Nigeria and France also all benefited from referees errors.

Had Nermar, Thiago and Alves played, there was no way Brazil wouldn't win this match. Look at the number of chances they missed. Simple one vs one, no one to take responsibilities. Without Neymar, Alves and Thiago, the fear factor was gone. You want to tell me a Thiago led defence would concede 4 goals in 90 minutes? Thiago is very discipline positional wise.

codedguy1: I swear Germany should not celebrate, its like celebrating a RAPE!




Anybody that still thinks Rooney is better than Muller is a Malu!

We can also conclude that Muller >>> CR7

Muller and Klose >>> CR7, Messi, Di Lima, Maradona, Zidane, Platini, Batistuta, Ribery, Ibrahimovic.


*Infac, Rodriquez will be better than many of the above already.

StarBoard: Brazil.
France played this same German side and lost respectfully.
England just didnt have it. Both countries never lost a tie by more than the odd goal.
Brazil deceived lots of people with that nonsense Neymar and help from refs.
They were exposed big time on the big stage.

These things happen. Were Barcelona wack when they lost 7-0? What about Man United lost to City? Madrid lost 0-5 to Barca. Bayern lost to Madrid.

I beg Brazil were without a leader in defence and attack. Maicon has no athleticism left in him. Luiz generally likes to overlap. When the scores got to 2-0, they decided to keep attacking without caution. Thats indiscipline caused by leaderless back line and even general play.

I don't see how referee helped them that Netherlands didn't benefit too.

Dadehmola: Hulk
Paulinho
Fernandinho
Luiz
Maicon
Fred

Aren't these players pawaful?

Which Fred? Fred is in the league of Ozil in speed and strength.


**** Many of the above players lack speed and scoring abilities. That's where Neymar is different. Speed and power, and final third intelligence. Brazil created chances but no one to score.

A40: The way you analyze football sometimes dey always make me wonder. Dani Alves best rightback? In what planet? Maybe Mars. Shey Alves was not there when Bayern r@ped Barca 7-0?

Neymar would have pulled 3 goals back? How many has he scored in the knockout phase?

And who asked Thiago Silva to amass two bookings? Jerome Boateng and Mats Hummels are yet to pick up a card in this tournament

Danny Alves is the best right back and for many years now. Am I to listen to your personal opinion or the official opinion as voted by national team captains and coaches?






FIFA have revealed the FIFPro World XI ‘Team of the Year’:

Goalkeeper: Manuel Neuer – Bayern Munich
Defender: Philipp Lahm – Bayern Munich
Defender: Sergio Ramos – Real Madrid
Defender: Thiago Silva – PSG
Defender: Dani Alves – FC Barcelona
Midfielder: Andres Iniesta – FC Barcelona
Midfielder: Xavi Hernandez – FC Barcelona
Midfielder: Franck Ribery – Bayern Munich
Forward: Cristiano Ronaldo – Real Madrd
Forward: Zlatan Ibrahimovic – PSG
Forward: Lionel Messi – FC Barcelona

http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/13/fifa-announce-fifpro-world-xi-team-of-the-year/

Brazil were already weakened. Still better than Spain which were the first team to go out.

Any day any time, Pace and Power rules.

Messi
Ronaldo
Bale
Neymar
Robben
Ribery
Di Maria
Sanchez
Alves

Nihilist: To be fair, Khedira has been bossing that midfield...and he is the epitome of physicality on the pitch

Exactly.

StarBoard: Did Brazil play qualifiers or friendlies?

Go and check the build up of our argument. I mean Holland. They were good in qualifying matches but you wrote them off.

PietroRico: loool.
So player importance to teams is now 'big name' dependent?

You are clearly hurt by this game.

I'll just let you be.

If it's not that way, why do we say Messi is carrying Argentina. Robben carrying Netherlands. Maradona carried Argentina those days, etc.

Without Neymar, they wouldn't win the confederation cup and many friendly matches, as well as previous matches of the world cup. Look at the way they wasted chances so far. No one to step up and take the bull by the horn.

chrisley024: Scolari deliberately keeps Alves on the bench. He didn't play last game

Something must be wrong.

StarBoard: Oga stop dodging.
I said the Dutch were not as good as previous sides. they have van Gaal and that has been the difference for them thus far.
I told you distinctively that this Brazil side was wack.
which qualifying games? The ojoro win vs Croatia, or the game they persistently Fouled Rodriguez with no bookings?
go and warm your tv.your muppetry is reaching legendary status

Qualifying matches to the world cup. They were excellent already. I am not talking about the world cup knockout matches.

Brazil weren't wack. They lost their backbones. With Neymar, they would pulled three goals back already in this 2nd. half. With Silva and Alves, they wouldn't be more down a goal down in the first place.

PietroRico: holland lost strootman and vander vart(key players in qualifying) even before it started.

The former even prompted a change in formation/tactics ( to show you just how important he it to the team)

Why dem no crash comot for group stage.

This brazil team is wack and they've been having dodgy decisions in their favour all tournament.

It was obvious they were going to lose to the 1st 'real' big team they'll meet

Who is Strootman and Vnder in world football? We are talking of big names as Neymar, Thiago and Alves.

StarBoard: So two players absent should warrant his unmitigated collapse?
Did I or did I not tell you this squad was not good enough to win the World Cup?

Just as you told us the Dutch team was weak. But you failed to look at their performance in the qualifying matches.

JayKayMaybachz: Spare me dey excuses bro .... u don't build ur team around few players....Brazil ain't got no team play just like Portugal

Do you realize they lost their 3 best players?

Thiago Silva- world best defender and team captain.
Alves- world best right back.
Neymar- One of four world best players.

* Tell me what would be of Netherlands without Robben, Sneijder and RVP/Hunteler (is that the spelling?). Or Argentina without Messi, Di Maria and Mascherano.

JayKayMaybachz: It will be all Euro Finals.....mark my words....Elampiro how far?

What do you expect without Neymar, Alves and Silva? The attack is blunt, the defence is porous. But the scoreline is unthinkable.

coogar: and that's the mark of a great player - the ability to deliver the goods even when he's not at his best form.

rooney was nonexistent. he was found wanting again when it mattered most. he was useless in munich against bayern & useless in brazil for his national team. english fans have had enough on a player that needed 3 different world cup tournaments to score a miserable goal!

If na Rooney bite person.... When Suarez can't score he bites.

Your opinion is a good as ending in your pocket. England scored two goals and Rooney had a hand in both. Meaning if Rooney didn't attend, England wouldn't have scored. No wonder Kean said England overrated kids cost England. Rooney did his part. Next topic.

coogar: very useless fat turd, that rooney!
useless in 2006, worthless in 2010, disgraceful in 2014. watch & see o.....his fans will still rate him that 2018 will be his year.



i have authority.....perhaps even more than shearer & keane. how many times have the votes of the fans make the pundits look useless on TV? you are in benin - you don't watch these channels. i am here, i see them blush after they see the poll results that discredit their opinion in the studio.

rooney is wackity wack!



yes, he did!
however, the countrymen of CR7, hazard, suarez, iniesta & xavi cannot complain too much. they know these players have delivered in the past & an isolated poor performance can be forgiven. what has rooney ever done for england? nothing!

without CR7, portugal wouldn't even be in the world cup. they were that poor. xavi & iniesta have won plenty for spain. hazard is still young & will get there. suarez was 100 times better than rooney.

CR7 qualified Portugal just as Rooney did for England. However CR7 went thru the back door. As for Hazard, what has he done?
The English fans were confused as ever. Paul Scholes misled them too. But eventually many of them got to understand. Suarez was shyte. He was only lucky to receive good chances to score. He came one vs one with the keeper 3 times.

coogar: twist it, turn it, fold it.......fact still remains rooney is shyte! when we were saying it here all season, it looked like a witch-hunt until he carried his below average performance into the world cup.

rodriguez is a 10 like rooney - he scored in every game in the world cup. neymar, messi, etc are all playing in the hole & delivering but rooney is a piece of scüm. i can't wait for louis van gaal to get rid of him or use him to replace büttner at left back.

Which ever way you opinion goes, it ends here. You are not an authority to state what kind of world cup Rooney had. Roy Kean and Shearer have authority. Same thing for club football.

James Rodriquez also had a better world cup than CR7, Hazard, Suarez, Iniester, Xavi, ..... Infact Enna Valencia had abetter world cup than these people I listed. Even Ahmed Musa sef.

CNN reported a few days ago that Obama is the worst President America has had since world war II according to the American people opinion. Bush is 2nd worst. I was happy ready because I don't like Obama. It was interesting until I got to the point where the details of the polling was being revealed. I got disappointed and changed topic. It looked more like an agenda driven poll eventually.

coogar: ITV was the only station that showed the game in the UK & they asked viewers to vote whether rooney should start against uruguay. unless you mean only 2,000 english fans tuned in to watch a world cup game on the only station that beamed the game live, your comment is null & void!

Since their is no details, it is fraud. The ITV crew expressed their personal opinion. When you poll people, you give details. It is not impossible the anchor may already be swaying any polling based n his analysis. Just imagine a Coogar had to anchor for DSTV and then poll the viewers. Lol

Anyway, I guess that opinion changed after the world cup three games based on what I read so far. They can now see from a broader perspective considering Sturridge game in the last match. When Rooney came on as a sub, I am sure the crowd was happy.