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GustavoFring: I asked how YOU assess a good coach...not for a list of previous assistant managers.

Anyway's looking at your list...
Quieroz ending up being a flop at Madrid(sacked after a season) and Portugal

Steve McClaren flopped at England(England failed to qualify for Euro 2008 from a group that contained Russia,Andorra, and Croatia) and Wolfsburg(sacked halfway through his 1st season)

Rene Meulensteen's Fulham team lost 6-0 to newly promoted Hull city only a few weeks back.

So I ask you again, how do you assess and identify a good coach?

On the danger.

Ukwu!!!

GustavoFring: Experience is no guarantee of skill. Moyes has been in the game for years and look where you guys are at.

Conversely relative youth is not synonymous with ineptitude. Les Ferdinand is a coach at Spurs today, and when he joined them in 2008 he was coaching the likes of Ledley King and Robbie Keane who were his teammates in the early noughties.

Unless you are privy to their training methods, I am not entirely convinced that the likes of Phil Neville(Who has played at the top level for the same club and under your greatest manager) should be written off as incompetent.

You have a point.

Dantedasz: Assistants under Sir Alex Ferguson.
Archie Knox 1986-1991.
Brian Kidd 1991-1998.
Steve McClaren 1999-2001.
Jimmy Ryan 2001-2002.
Carlos Quieroz 2002-2003.
Walter Smith 2004.
Carlos Quieroz 2004-2008.
Mike Phelan 2008-2013.
Coupled with Mike Phelan David Moyes got rid of proven winners like Rene Meulensteen and Eric Steele for Steve Round and Phil Neville.

Rene left on his own.

"I need to say a big thank you to the former manager's old staff - Rene Meulensteen, Mike Phelan and Eric Steele, who have left the club. I asked Rene to stay but he felt it most fair that he moved on and let me stamp my own authority on the team," revealed Moyes. http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/man-utd-boss-moyes-wanted-meulensteen-stay-3967382

I saw another link when Moyes said it again recently but I can't get the link anymore. On his part, Rene statement suggests he didn't believe in Moyes direction after the first meetings. He accused Moyes of wanting too many familiar faces even though he advised Moyes that Man United is not Everton.

So it's complicated.

Dantedasz: Moyes brought in Steve Round as his assistant and Phil Neville as a coach.
Phil Neville to coach who exactly? Vidic? Van Persie? Rooney? Evra? Or Ferdinand?
Moyes started playing with disaster from day one and things WILL certainly get worse under him instead of getting better.

Was Phil Neville not a player at Everton? When did he become coach? Learning on job at Man United...... hmmm

But on the other hand, Pep Guardiola had no coaching career before taking the Barca job. He had just one year experience with team B, along time Tito.

I just don't know where to draw the line in this coaching criticism. SAF coaching crew appeared too old to work under Moyes, and the in thing these days are young coaches. It's complicated. Without his legacy, Wenger was a 'useless' coach in the past two seasons. At some point it looked like he would be sacked.

David Moyes' latest outburst against referees is being investigated by the Football Association.

The Manchester United manager said his side were "playing referees as well as the opposition"

The FA are also looking into several flares being let off during the Capital One Cup semi-final at the Stadium of Light.

An FA spokesman said: "We are looking into David Moyes' comments to the media following the match at Sunderland. We are also contacting both clubs to seek their observations in relation to the use of flares last night." [Source: theguardian.com]

I just want to point out something.

Moyes did not sack all the back room staff. There was one he wanted to retain, but he offered to leave on his own 'cos according to him, he wanted Moyes to have his freedom.

When I get the link, I will post it.

I am very sure Man City can play wihout a manager and still come out with 90% of their result.

Our players are also not helping. My major blame on the team management is their stubbornness not to buy players. We have no bench. We have just about 13-14 good players. We know injury will always be there. No forward playing midfielder, etc, etc,etc.

Had RVP being around, things would have been better. We went on an eleven match unbeaten run, then some bad results put pressure on the young lads and the manager. In such situations, you need senior players to cope and get out with some decent results. Then Giggs, Rooney and RVP brought some maturity against Shakhtar and we won 1-0. From then we went on a six straight victories. Then the bad result against Tottenham. No senior players, things went bad against Sawnsea. Last night, Giggs provided some 'fatherly' cover, but his age meant he could do little.

If we had all our senior players fit, including Young and Nani, there was no way we could have lost three straight matches. There would have been a limit to which Swansea and Sunderland venture out of their defensive area. One moment of magic from a senior player or a combination of senior players will open up the opponent.

Yesterday wasn't so bad, but we lacked quality in the final third. In the absence of Rooney and RVP, Ashley Young could have given us a bit of that quality. Ashley Young is intelligent when he cuts into the hole from the wing.

dademola: for the 3rd game in a row, our attack lacked bite, buh u hav decided to continue with ur "jones in midfield" crusade!! Smh

Our attack lacked bite because there is no Rooney (he was unfit the last game). But with Jones, we could have restricted our opponents time on the ball and their threat on us. You also have to consider that Jones was at the heart of midfield when we won 3-0 at Vilia, 2-0 at Stoke (without Rooney), 3-1 against West Ham. Then Jones injured, we stared winning slim and losing....

@dademola, you have still not removed my name from that modified post. I don't like it. Please state your opinion and stop modifying my posts under my name.

Austeenx: [color=orange]Honestly, players like Cleverly should never be starters for teams like, Watford, QPR, Ipswich.[/color]

Cleverley plays well if you pair him with Jones. It's when he's paired with lazy Carrick and Fellaini that he gets tired easily running too much covering too much ground. With Jones he pushes up.

montelik: Yes Jones is the saviour.

You are beginning to see the effect of that young man? He's just too much. His games restrict the opponents to few chances. May be we could have got a draw with him or even win one nil.

dademola: fixed

@demola, I don't like that modification under my name. Can you remove my name from there?

Mehn, Rooney has been trying for us o. Had he been playing now and we got one win and two draws in the last three games, he would be seen to be doing little. The other player is Jones. These two guys, RVP and Rafael are the hope for saving our season.

Carrick and Cleverley pass game is archaic. Carrick is even too slow in his passing.

Apart from giving us something forward, RVP and Rooney help us to defend set pieces. The first goal is a ball those guys will head away.

dademola: are u "divorcing" your beloved antonio valencia, abi wetin??

He has been playing too many games. But I still like him. He could have gotten an assist for Janujaz had he been more clinical. Valencia's limitations we know already. Had Young played on the left today, he could have provided some leadership with quality movements around the left side of the eighteen box/middle.


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David Moyes:
"It is difficult we just need to keep going. We didn't do a lot wrong. I thought the referee was going to blow in our direction for the first goal. I couldn't believe he gave a free kick. It was a terrible decision.

"We are all just laughing at them at the minute. We get a player booked for doing the same. It looks as though we are having to play them [officials] as well as the opposition at the moment.

"I thought the players, our crowd were unbelievable, the players deserved to get a result. It's a two legged game and I am really looking forward to the second leg."

I am now a fan of Ashley Young. Apart from Rooney and RVP, he is the other guy who provides quality leadership in our forward play. His drifts to the middle of the attack is somewhat meaningful and with a sense of urgency. So it looks like it's Ashley Young I am going to promote next on this thread. But first, few more matches. Hope he recovers quickly.

When last did we lose three in a row?

The only hope is for Rooney, RVP and Jones to come and add their bites.

Nani and Young injury are a big blow. We lacked variety in the wing play. Janujaz tried but sometimes it's so obvious he is a young player.

The goals we conceded were avoidable.

If we don't buy players, we have no hope for top 4. What if something happens to Rooney or RVP in the run in? Our midfielders can't score, they are just passers. Chelsea midfielders lifted them in away fixtures of 2013 as their strikers could not score even a goal.

I say it again, we need players.

Chicha should come in for Janujaz or Welbeck

Was that really a penalty?

Rafael should be careful. We cannot afford to have him sent on suspension.

Carrick and Cleverley have started their shadow marking.

It's good for defenders to have speed. Rafael's chase and Evans recovery saved that scare.

Vidic

Sometimes life is unfair. This has been a good performance so far by our boys. This goal is a confidence killer.

What a senseless free kick to give away by Evans. Poor defending at the end

Januvaz has been very good.

Jesse Lingard travelled with the squad.

That guy will be a good scorer. He also involves in build up.

lineup: De Gea, Rafael, Vidic, Evans, Evra, Valencia, Carrick, Cleverley, Giggs, Januzaj, Welbeck

SUBS: Lindegaard, Buttner, Smalling, Fletcher, Kagawa, Zaha, Chicharito. (Jesse Lingard travelled with the squad. )

The major advantage we have in this semi final is that it's two legs. Just imagine if we had another chance with Swansea in the FA cup.

Away from that, our boys should also help the coach. That Swansea guy, Wilfried Bony, who scored the winner should never have been left free in the box. Does it mean that our players don't watch what other their colleagues do in the EPL? Wilfried has been most dangerous inside the 18 box in his last two matches which include Man City. He got a free header against us.

SailorXY: I think even if scouts were looking @ South America, it will be the younger players for the future

The young player policy doesn't work these days. Only 5% success. So why the energy?

SailorXY: So Moyes has been given £200m by Man United to spend! Hmmmm

....And he doesn't want to spend a penny out of it now to save the season? He must either be over confident of finishing top 4 with these players or he wants to bring just the world class players once and for all. But he will nbe very unpopular should he finish below top four.

If I were him, I will use £40 million to bring two or three guys from South America. Those guys are good midfielders and goal scorers. There is no way he won't get one or two players who can burst 40 yards in the midfield when they scout Brazilan, etc big clubs.

Just my opinion. I might be wrong.

superstar1: You guys are still hopeful

I salute your courage then.

I am still hopeful for top 4 finish. But I don't know why we can't buy players now?

Contract expiring

30.6.2014 (within 6 months)
Nemanja Vidic
Rio Ferdinand
Patrice Evra
Fabio
Ryan Giggs
Federico Macheda

30.6.2015 (within 18 months)
Ben Amos
Anderson
Michael Carrick
Tom Cleverley
Darren Fletcher
Antonio Valencia
Wayne Rooney

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I see only one or two renewals.