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[quote author=Mr_TA]The pressure at a big club is different that's why only the best survive. There are results that Moyes might get at Everton but the expectation to win every match wasnt there. At united it is and you should also be prepared for teams to raise their games against you. Whats making it worse is he is putting the pressure on himself. All fans were ready to give him a chance. He wasnt even my first choice but I was ready to support him and give him a chance but look at where he's getting us?[/quote]The areas he has failed mostly are:

1. Defending a lead too early.
2. Wrong substitutions late on which made us to concede late goals.
3. Team rotation.

Although we can say he was not lucky with fixtures, and also injuries to key players.

superstar1: So ericksen, strongman, ozil, etc were not available before we started running after unrealistic targets like Fab4 or before we finally signed the liability called fellaini. That 27mm wasted.

We didn't need Ozil and we still do not need him.

Strootman was also not in the plan. I guess Fab was the real target. Fellaini was a complete after thought.

Even City wasted money in plenty players to arrive where they are today. Let's spend this money, but this time on the very best.

The other day, woodworm said we could sell three and buy five. I beg we want quality and not quantity.

If Moyes were to be in Everton now, even without Lukaku and Barry, he would be around 5th to 7th. Not 9th.

So there is problem in our team beyond the manager. Also, being a new manager at Man United was always going to generate more pressure than being a new manager at Everton. Two successive draws will not put Everton manager under undue pressure from media, bosses, fans and analysts.

Moyes is even courageuos to still be giving post match interview. If I were the one, I would just go straight home to go and weep.

dademola: like mr TA pointed out, i think its d job of d club scouts(i just hope dt department is still functional). They dont neccesarily hav to be household names, buh players good enof to be starting games for us..

Then from there we can upgrade.

chamotex: If we don't make the top 4, that might just be the worst thing to ever happened to United.
We won't be able to attract the top players and on the other side, mass exodus of our top players, the few we have left.
Or do you think Rooney, VP and co will stay if we don't make the CL?

Money, money, money speaks. Find out from City when they finished 5th.

chamotex: The 4-4 draw is better than what they are playing now? You probably watch your football from an angle.
Smh. It's a pity.
Everton might collapse bla bla bla, it's not about the result. We are talking about the brand of football here.
At this point, I'd rather pay to watch Everton play than go to Old Trafford.

My guy, go and watch that 4-4 again. It was a Barca kind of football Everton did on us in the 2nd half. They could have won it 4-5.

The previous seasons were almost same stories. In one of the matches we manage to beat them, it was a Chicharito special late header that handed us the 3 points. Everton had always played some good football in the past. The difference now is that their players have matured over the years and they have better scorers now.

I am not exonerating Moyes but our players have half of the blame, if not far more. Look at the way that number 10 stopped that counter attack, only Jones and Rafael could have done that for us. See their direct tackles.

We should not forget too Moyes has always lost his best legs to transfer market, as in, Cahil, Arteta, etc.

coogar: the traditional top 4 are arsenal, man utd, liverpool & chelsea. moyes has not won a league game in those grounds till date.

Ok.

But he has finished above some of them before.

Beating City in recent years is tantamount to any of the above, if no greater.

chamotex: Does Moyes have a style besides his 'go and play' philosophy

Haba!

Moyes 4-4 draw at Old Trafford was better than any football Everon is playing now. Moyes 10 win over City last season was one of the greatest football EPL could offer. Even as clueless as Anichebe was. Let's give this man time. Moreso, Everton might collapse on the table soon. The major advantage theyu have over opponents is their fitness. Even Mourinho is finding it hard at Chelsea despite all the qualities in his team.

Martinez has sent a team to relegation. No one says that.

StarBoard: elampiro,
Moyes never won at a top 4 venue all his tenure.
Martinez already has a headstart on Moyes in that area.
How can you credit Moyes when almost the same set of players have made Everton the hardest team to beat in the Premier League?
Martinez has picked up 4 points in the space of 4 days at United and Arsenal .
I'm not sure Moyes has that total number of points in all his tenure at Everton against United and Arsenal away.

Are you sure he has never won in a top 4 venue before? All those times he was beating City left and right, no one fell into that category?

dayokanu: Yet they cpuldnt do zilch in all Moyes time there.

Now without Moyes they have picked points at Old trafford and Emirates.

Moyes was the one holding Everton back. His tactics are simply lump the ball to faillaini/Anichebe up top and let him bully

Everton has always given Man United headache na. Everton eliminated us from FA cup, they got a 4-4 against United at Old Trafford. Moyes lost 1-4 to City this season, whereas he has always killed them at Everton.

coogar: moyes is limited - whoever believes he will turn things around at old trafford must also believe i own murtala airport. he's the most negative manager on the planet.

they are getting these good results despite the absence of their chief creator(leighton baines). i know they would have won today if baines was on the pitch. his setpiece delivery would have wounded the gunners.

Did you watch the match Baines got injured? As soon as Baines went out against Liverpool, Everton created zillion of chances. They were just unlucky, else it could have easily been 7-3 win over Liverpool.

chamotex: Damn! Watching Everton play actually confirms that DM actually held Everton back for 11 years.

These are Moyes boys na. He gave them the fitness. Moyes have rubbished Man United and killed City severally in the past. He even finished 4th at a time.

Let's wait and see how all these things end.

Everton is the definition of fitness. This like watching Bilbao of 2 years ago. They couild easily have won it at 1-1.

What nonsense transition period.

United should buy the best of the best from now on. Can Bayern Munich, Madrid or Barca be on 9th position? World cup is coming and there will be big revelations.


I beg make I dey ready to go take plate of Isiewu for one bad corner. Lol Arsenal and Everton should continue their fight. Can't finish this match.

Ron Atkinson has warned David Moyes there is no such thing as a transitional period at Manchester United.

Atkinson, who emphasised his belief Moyes is the right man to succeed Sir Alex Ferguson, took issue with the Scot's assessment of the situation, both before and after United's 1-0 home defeat by Newcastle on Saturday.

As someone who spent five years at Old Trafford before his dismissal in 1986 paved the way for the Ferguson era, Atkinson is acutely aware of the expectations around the club, and transition is not part of the plan.

"I don't think United can have a transitional period, "You don't hear of Barcelona or Real Madrid having transitional periods.bWhat David probably means is that there has to be an evolution. They need two or three new players. They are not good enough in certain areas.

"It might take a little bit longer than he thought for those types of players to come in but I don't think you can have a transitional period at Manchester United." [Source: independent.ie, MUTV]

When Everton players move forward they all keep the ball well, quick good passes, hardly give the ball away. Defenders doing well in midfield area, midfielders doing well in attacking area, then everyone regroup to defend well. It is interesting to see how everyone makes himself available for passes. Plenty of options.

Arsenal coming into the game now.


Compared to these two teams, our game is too individualistic. Wingers are wingers. Defenders are defenders and midfielders have neither attacking nor defending sense. They are just midfielders doing shadow marking and making short passes.

Half time 0-0.

Ogbeche77: the guy is a plunker, when most of united players partied all night and will all smile to the bank on monday morning....

When woodworm sees nothing wrong with the current situation. ..and he compared Man United with Liverpool.


Anyone watching Arsenal Vs Everton? This Everton is a team. At 32 mins they are far the better team.

[b]Some people might not like this post but I don't care. I am entitled to my opinion. I am ex-raying our team match by match.

Phil Jones all matches in Midfield.
1. Man United 1 Liverpool 0 (with Giggs.)
2. Man United 4 Norwich 0 (with Cleverley)
3. Fulham 1 Man United 3 (with Cleverley HT 3-0, triple subs at HT)
4. Man United 1 Arsenal 0 (with Carrick)
5. Leverkusen 0 Man United 5 (with Giggs)
6. Tottenham 2 Man United 2 (with Cleverley)
7. Man United 0 Necastle 1 (with Cleverley)

Won 5, drew 1, lost 1.
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Phil Jones in defence
1. Man United 2 Wigan 0 (CD with Vidic)
2. Swansea 1 Man United 4 (RB) (Vidic and Ferdi CD)
3. Man United 0 Chelsea 0 (RB) (Vidic and Ferdi CD)
4. Liverpool 1 Man United 0 (RB but sub on 37th minute, Fedi and Vidic CD)
5. Man United 1 West Brom 2 (RB, Evans and Ferdi in CD while Buttner in LB)
6. Sunderland 1 Man United 2 (CD with Vidic)
7. Man United 1 Southampton 1 (CD with Evans)
8. Man United 1 Sociedad 0 (CD with Evans)
9. Man United 3 Stoke 2 (Defense with Evans, Evra and Smalling- can't remember who was in the RB)

Won 5, drew 2, lost 2. Record here shows we have not lost with Jones in Central defence.
..................................................................................................................................................................................................


Matches without Phil Jones
1. Man United 2 Crystal Palace 0
2. Man United 4 Leverkusen 2
3. Man City 4 Man United 1
4. Shakhtar 1 Man United 1. Jones 92 mins sub.
5. Real Sociedad 0 Man United 0
6. Cardiff 2 Man United 2
7. Man United 0 Everton 1.

Without Jones, we have won 2, drew 3 lost 2.


Summary: Phil Jones is not just an important player for Man United, but more effective in the midfield than any of our natural midfielders. He is also possible our best central defender. The only place he appears to struggle is the right back.

I did the above work manually. In case you find any error (which I doubt) don't hit on me.

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Kagawa was said to have over fed his tummy and could not breathe properly again.

The little Japanese no know his tummy size again. Too much money.

Ogbeche77: You are on point, I think DM monitors the social media a lot.. I remembered when the fans were criticizing him for freezing out Kagawa, of a sudden Shinji got a run of game
Then listen to his interview on VP yesterday, where he said if he took him off, fans won't be happy.. Damn.
24hrs before Newcastle match, Zaha goes to twitter to clear the air that he has never met DM's daughter before not to talk of an affair, fans went gaga... Zaha gets to play for 15mins

This was why I said he should stop listening to critics.

By now he should know the abilities or qualities of each and every player. He should play who he wants to play and the brand of football he wants to play. If he wants to play Agero football, let him gather all the caterpillars and play hard to beat while hoping for slim victories. If he wants to play flair game, he can opt for that. The squad is large for him to at least beat middle to bottom teams. It cannot be worse, and he that is down fears no fall.

Perhaps, if he had continued with the squad he started with, they would by now be flourishing. Instead all players have been rotated to please fans. Like we are in a preseason.

He was looking pitiful yesterday.

SailorXY: This Moyes need to pay up the cash for two CMs that will walk straight into the starting 11 based on ability #finish
I don't care how inflated the price will be, we can't continue with this lethargy

Exactly. All the analysis on DSTV, Skysports, etc have all said same thing. Although some of them said United should buy only the best, and that if top CMs are not available, United shouldn't waste money. I disagree, United should buy the best among the available, then we keep upgrading from there. Just as Madrid sold Ozil and bought Bale and other guys.

Our transfer policy must change for good. Under our nose, Bale, Neymar, Falcao, Moura, Oscar, Hazard, Song, and many more were bought.

Sleep time.

David Moyes has dismissed as 'absolute nonsense' the notion that Robin van Persie is unsettled at Manchester United.

Pundit Mark Lawrenson, speaking on Irish radio, suggested that the Dutch striker had handed in a transfer request at Old Trafford.

"That is absolute nonsense; I don't know what harder or tougher word I can say, that's as good as I've got"

Meanwhile, Moyes also rejected the suggestion that he has tinkered with too much since inheriting the champions from Sir Alex Ferguson during the summer.

'Change it? I don't think I've changed anything; it's the same players, I have brought one player in. If I'd changed it then there would be something to be critical of. But we've gone along with basically the same players."

And Moyes reflected: 'I'm disappointed to lose, once again. We are needing something to go for us to give us a wee bit of confidence and we could have done with a goal.

"We made some opportunities but not enough. We have to play better, pass it better, make more chances and take more opportunities when they do come." [Source: DailyMail] ‪#‎mufc‬ ‪

Rafael unusually made plenty of wrong passes to opponents today. What's gwan with him? Still not fit?

Paul Scholes has been recalled. Lol

Darefestus pls analyze properly to enable us have a view from different angles.

Also waiting for starboard.

Pataki: DJ, abeg play: Faze - Kolomental for this my paddy above!

Fela sang '..animal dey wear agbada'.

darefestus: Anyone else reckons Fergie handpicked Moyes because of his being Scottish and bearing a semblance with him than for his tactical nous.
And I hate to say this but we were wrong in allowing Fergie do that.
However, Some of those players should never wear the clubs Jersey again..No balls whatsoever!
I don't want to mention names but it was a shocking performance by some of the lads..We went behind and they didn't even bother to test Krull..They just kept passing it around without purpose or intent.
Dam.n!!

It's good you mention names and your reasons.

This is what we are here for?

David Moyes speaking to BT
Sport about whether there has been an overreaction to
Wednesday's defeat against
Everton:

"No, I think people will react because Manchester
United are losing games - I
knew that before I took the job and I have certainly been reminded of the fact.

"We are pleased Robin is back, he is vitally important to us. I am not sure he will last the full game but he told us he
was fit enough to start the
game.

"We have lots of game in quick succession so today was a chance to get lots of fresh legs out there. You try and win every game - we are putting the same message out now as we did earlier in the season."

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I guess we will have RVP and Rooney for the next league game.

Have we lost any game both of them started? I doubt.

SailorXY: Unless you are being biased, this ur sub choice will bear no fruit.
It was clear as daylight that RvP wasn't fully match fit.... & talking putting Young and maturity/proper decision making in the same sentence is just taking a piss in the wind.
Cleverley was rightly yanked off, I would have done that on the 56th minute if I was manager. RvP off for Fellaini*he wasn't even on d bench* to play behind Hernandez should have been more effective since the defenders were just knocking the ball hopefully to Hernandez, Evra off for Giggs. All subs before 75th min...
Moyes should try to play Zaha from the right next time, I don't understand this swapping of positions all over the pitch. The more annoying is the continuous changing of the defence wtf
My only happiness is that the Glazers will now realize that their gluttonous feasting on this institution will end very soon without significant reinvestment of the profits generated by Man United on the playing staff

My fear is, if we don't finish top 4 and Arsenal wins the league......... RVP.

David Moyes:
"It could have been much better, we were needing a goal to give us confidence. They got a goal we could have done better with
and it changed the game.

"We did not create enough but we did create some. When you are not quite firing you need things to go for us, they didn't.

"I was due to take him (Van
Persie) off after 60 minutes but if I had people would have said what are you doing? We were
chasing the game and needed to get a goal back.

"You try and win the next
game. We move on. We will try and win the next game, never think much further than that."
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Moyes: Keep the faith

David Moyes was hugely disappointed as his side fell to a second home defeat in four days in a 1-0 loss to Newcastle on Saturday, but the United manager is determined to put things right.

The Reds have now lost five league games so far this season and Moyes says it is a clear indication that the club is going through big changes.

"There will be [light at the end of the tunnel] because it is a transitional period and that was always going to be the case," said Moyes after his side were downed by Yohan Cabaye's second-half strike.

"I hoped it wouldn't have been as poor as it has been in the last few games. When I came here I knew it was never going to be easy and it's proved to be that way."

Moyes added that the continued support of United's fans is imperative as the Reds seek to bounce back from consecutive league defeats.

"I think the United supporters have been great to me and great to the club," he said. "They understand there is a big transition going on here and, like me, I don't think they expected us to have lost five games at this stage of the season. We didn't expect that.

"But I think they understand that there is a change going on. We'll work, try to improve and try to get better."

[quote author=SIR cum a lot]This is a bit harsh he hasn't played most of the season and you want him to produce a match winning performance.

Even if we plan to buy players in january the target players worth would be inflated.[/quote]I have a feeling Moyes played Zaha and Janujaz due to criticism. Janujaz played intelligebtly, but would have got a better result or an outright win had we brought in Young and Valencia for Chicha and Janujaz at 60th minute. One thing about the old guys is the fact that they they punish opponents better.

Now Moyes should stick to a team. I also support those who think players should play their positions, like Jones. But it is more easy when we have with a few injuries in the team.

chrisley024: This is exactly d time Fergie takes advantage of other teams' failings to grab points n move to top.

It's painful. We should have been second on the table now had we not messed up the last three games. I have not even added West Brom and Southampton.