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chrisley024: Was standing like a statue. Rooney simply can't lead d line for us.Anybody could have missed that. The ball went through two players before it got to Rooney, and it a ball you don't see so easily until it's suddenly gets to you or roll past. |
dayo999: nemesis catching up with vp.is it true that rooney is suspended for the next game?i de laughThe guy is out o. He foolishly collected two unnecessary yellow cards to make it 5 in all. RVP is not ready except they want to risk him and probably jeopardize his recovery process. It's time for the young ones to play the game of their life. |
[quote author=A-40]Where's Fabville let him come and tell me how Fellaini is better than Javi Martinez. I'll wait. . . . . . .[/quote]Fellaini will not sleep tonight just as I am trying to find sleep right now. His old team beat him and his coach. |
superstar1: How will they tackle, when the nazi coach would have over trained them, as if they are preparing for a rugby match.I don't actually think that is the problem. I think other teams have strengthened while we could not fill our weak areas. Unfortunately, Fellaini that we bought is also finding it hard to win balls, even 50-50. At this point, may be we should change formation to play three familiar midfielders- Carrick, Anderson and Cleverley. If we are playing two man midfield, we will be bullied except Jones is in the pair. |
Below are matches we have lost without Jones. 1. Liverpool (Jones in the defence) 2. Man Cty (no Jones at all) 3. West Brom (no Jones at all) 4. Everton (no Jones at all) Did I forget anyone? @dademola, would you say this is just coincidence? Apart from losing, we were terrorized in our midfield in the above games, may be except against Liverpool. My opinion is that we use Jones to protect our backline from 'terrorism' until January. I don talk my own. |
dademola: elampiro, pls just stop all these mumuni analysis of urs!! they are very annoying!!What is annoying there? That is my observation. How can we allow our opponents to dominate the midfield so comfortably? We hardly challenge opponents with good tackles. Can't you see? |
Some players who didn't deserve 90 mins got it. Rafael who should have been played all through the match was sub. Why allowing Giggs to play 90 mins in the midfield even when he was looking weak in the second half? Our problem still remains that we can't win the ball back so easily. Fellaini was okay in the first half, but lost virtually all tackles in the second. I still believe we have to manage Jones in our midfield till January, particularly now that Carrick is not fit. If we cannot use the ball in the midfield, we should be able to prevent our opponents from using it. This is so bad! Can we say we will finish top 4? |
Welbeck starts ahead of Nani again. It's Vidic and Smalling. Fellaini and Giggs. |
Manchester United De Gea; Rafael, Vidic, Smalling, Evra; Valencia, Fellaini, Giggs, Kagawa, Welbeck; Rooney. SUBS: Lindegaard, Evans, Cleverley, Nani, Young, Hernandez, Januzaj. Everton Howard, Oviedo, Distin, Jagielka (c), Coleman, McCarthy, Barry, Pienaar, Barkley, Mirallas, Lukaku. SUBS: Robles, Heitinga, Jelavic, Deulofeu, Naismith, Osman, Stones. |
Now they want to accuse me of modification. What did I modify? Enter link and see. @dademola, this was what you requested for yesterday. E be like say you like this game. http://pesstatsdatabase.com/PSD/PlayerClassic.php?Id=21&Era=2 Era: 90's Name: Edgar Davids | 1997-2003 Shirt Name: DAVIDS Shirt Number: 26 Nationality: Dutch Height: 169 cm Weight: 69 kg Age: 25 Foot: L Side: B Positions: DMF★, CMF |
Here are two links showing that in 2010/11, 2011/12 season Mikel pass accuracy was 90 to 92 % . Also this season thus far: http://thepowerofgoals..co.uk/2012/01/individual-premiership-passing-stats.html http://www.squawka.com/players/john-obi-mikel ........... I couldn't find Edgar's own so I took it from the PE. If you have for Edgar, let's see. I said earlier that Mikel has a better pass accuracy, but he is nowhere near Edgar in midfield commando. |
Look at Starboard forming Mr Perfect. He that kept repeating for two weeks that Rooney missed from 4 yards even when everyone knew Rooney was no where near even the 6 yard when he shot. A shot the was probably from 12 to 16 yard. |
dayokanu: He brought in Carrick to prove that Defensive midfielders end up in the middle as last men when the full backs push upThis is not disputable. But from your clip Edgar was nowhere near the last man in the Holland defence when Carlos was speeding forward. dayokanu: Someone was saying because Davids was the last man then its a counter attackI did not say this. But the person was only trying to let you know that defenders always push forward to help get a goal. If the counter attack from such is slow, the defender would return but when it is quick, only a fast running defender can recover. Now the question is, why did one or two defenders pushed forward? Ans: Holland went for an attack. If Holland went for an attack and defenders were not able to recover when Brazil got the ball with speed into Holland goal area, what was that? A normal play? From the clip here, Davids work is so commendable because there were defenders who were leveled with Ronaldo as Carlos galloped away, how come they couldn't give a chase. |
StarBoard:Show me where I said Davids was in the Brazilian box. Are you forcing words on me? |
coogar: you are a dingbat.....So you are you claiming that Edgar Davids at his prime had 90% pass accuracy? Even in PE13 which is average at their best, Mikel is still at least 10% higher than Edgar in pass accuracy. Now you brought that tackle of Olic and Carrick. That as compared to Edgar totally buttress my point that our midfielders are too poor in tackling. Carrick lost us that match because we should have resumed second half very comfortably with scores at 3-0. Provide the giff of the two incidences let's see how much effort Carrick made. Here you will pay homage to Edgar. |
Now, let me relate this argument to my comment/analysis which gave birth to this David's stuff in the first place. Opta chart or any stat, would have only credited Davids with one successful tackle in all of that effort. The effort put in, the speed with which he chased back, the speed of the player he chased back, his position when the attack commenced, his skill at winning the tackle without fouling the striker, the clear goal prevention etc,etc, etc will all be ignored in the opta chart. This is why I said charts and stat should not be relied upon in comparing players. Another player who won a simple tackle from the effort of his team mates to neutralize the opponents will also be credited with a (one) tackle won. |
StarBoard: ^^^Mr Stanley Njoku, I waited for you to jump to the defense of your dad Clement, when you didn't come I knew you would sneak in when I am sleeping. Even the little the video showed, Edgar was no where leveled with Ronaldo when Carlos was running with ball. Again, Edgar had his back to his defense while Ronaldo was already taking steps to blast off. This is a match I watched over 15 years ago and I have never repeated it, now your dad here has made two fatal errors even after hesaw the video yesterday. This is how clips have often misled you guys. As I said earlier, unless we have another clip showing David's positioning when the counter attack started, you will not appreciate the full effort of Edgar Davids. |
coogar: except that what you described above wasn't how the move panned out. how can you paint another scenario entirely and then claim it's the same outcome?This is where you got it wrong again. How can you say this was the only video clip beamed to the world? In every match, there are talking points at half time, full time and after extra time. Then key highlights are showed and talked about. If could described this scene from my memory so well and vividly without watching the game again for over 15 years, it's a big shame to you to make two capital errors from the clips you watched over and over yesterday claiming it was Deboer and from a goal kick. |
dademola: Elamps baba, pls kindly give us d source of d edgar davids stats u uploaded!I left have log off my laptop. I am on my bed right now. Hopefully 2morow. |
coogar: you are a pathological liar.....You have now run out of lies. It was Debor. Whenyou were found out, you said it was goal kick. Such is the case when you watch clips from youtube which doesn't show everything. Because the youtude edited clip showed a goal kick before this particular action, you swallowed it whole. Next time don't argue about the match you didn't watch and from which people who saw it that time discussed some talking points. |
Direct football (association football) More often associated with counter-attacking football than with possession football, direct football means that players spend little time with the ball before passing. In order to achieve this, each player frequently uses only one or two touches. [b]The quick counter-attack The quick counter-attack requires intelligent running, exhaustive physical effort and good passing and dribbling skill.[/b] Wikipedia. |
dayokanu: Show us which match was it you watched life and saw Edgar Davids 15yards behind Ronaldo at france 98How is this different from the earlier clip? It doesn't show where Edgar was when the attack started. Also, Edgar was not even levelled with Roanaldo from the point your clip started. |
coogar: you are a capital mumu - i saw the match live on TV & the picture you painted earlier bears no semblance with what happened. the de boer tackle was on the youtube link & it's the closest to what you described - a classic counterattack.Stop telling lies. You didnt watch the match. You didnt even know such incidence happened. Instead you mentioned deboer after hours of watching irrelevant youtude clips. If you saw the match, you shoud know how much Edgar chased backwards before he slowed his run when he was waiting for the pass, then as the pass was made and Ronaldo 'bursted away', Edgar accelerated again. Even your short clip clearly shows Edgar was not in the defence line as Carlos was driving in. From your video, which Man United midfielder is capable of what Edgar did? Only Jones. Carrick was in a similar situation against West Brom and he never saw the back of his man. |
coogar: you are a fool - the attack in question wasn't even a counterattack. holland were playing a high line trying to catch ronaldo offside & screwed things up.How do you want me to believe you again? Your problem is that when real guys are sharing experience from past matches they watched live, you rely on opta and youtube short clips to draw conclusion. A real match situation will tell you whether the counter attack was from a corner kick or free kick, and the position of Edgar when it all started. |
coogar: i am not sure you recognise edgar davids....when ronaldo received that pass, davids was the last man & they were levelled. that's davids in the middle of holland's back 3 - how's that 15 yards behind?Show us where the counter attack started from deep in the Brazilian half. Also, how is this man Deboa? |
Katsumoto: That picture doesn't tell the story accurately. Davids was well in the Brazilian half when the counter attack started. It may also appear that Davids was level with Ronaldo but the distance between them was great and every knows Ronaldo was no slouch.Thank you for bailing me out. I can go and sleep now. |
chic2pimp:The video didn't start from when the counter attack commenced. May that could have given us a more insight. I remember our discussion was much about how Edgal chased backwards deep from the opponents half. Although its a long time ago, I could remember Edgar gave a long run backwards. Despite that, in our United team today, it is only Jones or Fletcher who is capable of doing what Edga did. Carrick, Cleverley, Ando and Fellaini would have been lost since. Rafael has that zeal, but I am talking about the men who play in our midfield. Now you can know who watch the Brazil vs Holland match and those who are searching videos and stats backwards. ![]() |
Katsumoto: You should provide stats from the same source to be more accurate.I think the problem is that you didn't understand my line of argument or you are new to this thread- which I doubt. The rastafarians here do not care or want to know about any other attributes of players. All they know about is pass accuracy, May be for strikers, assists and goals will be included. So, if they were to pick between Mikel and Edgal, the rastafarians here will pick Mikel based on pass accuracy, every other quality matters not. So my argument was that pass accuracy is not the most important yard stick. You just corroborated me. |
Moyes acknowledged what a positive impression Martinez has made and admits he is not sure what kind of reception the travelling Everton fans will give him. "He is doing a very good job," said Moyes. "He has very good players there. I always told them they could play without a manager because they are very well organised. "But Roberto is doing a really good job keeping it going. "I had a great time at Everton, it was a great club for me at the time in my career when I left Preston North End. They were fabulous to me - they gave me a chance to succeed the best I could at the club. ............................................... Rooney is player of the month for November.
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Katsumoto: What stats will you use to pick Mikel over Davids? I am curious.Pass accuracy. Mikel is about 90%. See Edgal below: TECHNIQUE Attack: 76 Defence: 76 Header Accuarcy: 71 Dribble Accuracy: 85 Short Pass Accuracy: 79 Short Pass Speed: 85 Long Pass Accuracy: 79 Long Pass Speed: 84 Shot Accuracy: 72 Place Kicking: 74 Swerve: 69 Ball Control: 85 Goal Keeping Skills: 50 Weak Foot Accuracy: 4 Weak Foot Frequency: 4 SPEED Response: 88 Explosive Power: 87 Dribble Speed: 85 Top Speed: 86 SPEED Body Balance: 86 Stamina: 99 Kicking Power: 90 Jump: 95 Injury Tolerance: B RESISTANCE Form: 6 Acceleration: 87 Tenacity: 92 Teamwork: 85 PLAYER INDEX CARDS: P08 - Box to Box P12 - Goal Poacher S06 - Long Range Drive S07 - Shoulder Feint Skills S08 - Turning Skills S09 - Roulette Skills S16 - Jumping Volley S20 - Double Touch SPECIAL ABILITIES: ★ Dribbling ★ Outside ★ Marking ★ Sliding ★ Covering MOTION STYLE: Dribble Style: 1 Free Kick Style: 1 Penalty Kick Style: 1 |
elampiro: It looks like I have got a report of it somewhere. I guess this was the incident described below.
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