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Oghos1: Elampiro u've surprised me o

Credit to pardew, moyes' line up meant his tactics were obvious. Use d wings for everything.
Hence he started januzaj and nani.

Newcastle promptly shut down d wings and d onus fell on our midfield. And it failed woefully
We hardly played any football der.
Dae blocked ALL supplies.



Anderson was particularly impressive.

montelik: Who is disputing that you. Honestly its like you read what you want to see, not what is written.

Carrick choice of passing would have been better, quicker, more diverse. He would have also be able to step up and combine with Cleverley or RVP when were trying to mount sustained pressure on Newcastle for much of the game when Newcastle ceded ground to us. He would have been able to help us create and maintain pressure when Newcastle took the lead and dropped back to consolidate the result.

Jones did his job and we still lost, nothing was gained. We barely breached a Newcastle side that has been ripped up regularly by lesser teams. They had more possession and more shots at goal, even with Jones on the pitch. We need more help going forward than defensively. We have got the league best attack from last season, once we can them activated we will be okay, but as of now they are in funk and need help to get going. We need to be focusing on playing constructively in a collective manner. Even it means being more open and taking more risk. Jones can only defend, he offers nothing constructively and none of our central midfielders is in the sort of form where they can carry the load alone and regardless of what he may bring defensively, we will still concede and get over run because he is only so good in the midfield role, its just a matter of a couple of degrees in terms of how much we will lose without him in midfield.

We need to start playing and actually opening up teams, the present lot aren't up to it and need help. All the players will need to contribute in all phases. This is why I am so insistent on playing players in their natural positions and against gimmicks that offer little positives.

montelik: When Moyes put him on when we had our backs against wall and he was even played on the left not the right.

Oghos1: That will mean rooney and kagawa on d bench, as wide men or as central midfielders themselves.

Rooney can play all, but is he willing? That's my problem withd dude.

And yea. Kagawa will play wide if he is asked to, he has no ryt to complain yet.

Oghos1: We are all screaming for midfielders. Rightly so.

But take a moment and do some scouting urself.
How many 'world class' midfielders will be available in d summer. Yes summer. Nt even in january.

Even to get young n bright prospects nw na trouble.
Our midfield needs a miracle

the sort of miracle I'm talking abt is iniesta and vidal both handing in transfer requests to force a move to united .

Ok d miracle is too demanding . But something lyk dat sha

dademola: i missed d match!(thank God anyways). pls guys, what was nani's performanne like?

montelik: Do you read at all or just jump to conclusions after getting the general gist. Did I not write clearly Jones did well. Where did I scape goat him (like you did with Cleverley and Welbeck last weekend)? My point is that what we gained defensively playing him still counted for nil, cos we still conceded and when we needed a spark and goals, we couldn't get them as he impedes us constructively. Who cares whether we get dominated, so long as there 3 points waiting for us at the end of 90 minutes. You can be okay with a fairly solid, slightly unlucky 1 nil loss. I will take an open 4-3 victory (like last seasons) every day.

chrisley024: Dont mind d@ one.
When we're talking abt d team he is talking abt a player.

chamotex: So we lost because Rooney didn't play?

montelik: See what preoccupation with being solid and not getting dominated gets you. You still concede and drop points anyway. Jones in midfield will offer minimal improvement defensively and major impediment offensively. He had a good game, but guess what, we lost anyway. What did it gain us compared to what we lost.

We had no creativity and no spark for most of the game bar a period early in the 2nd half. Cleverley came off and we then had no possession. We were actually under kosh and would have conceded again if not that Newcastle were okay with one.

Manchester United will live or die by playing attacking football. All this cautiousness will backfire. We will failed to score or threaten the opposition and we will still concede soft goals. Evra will fall asleep and let a winger go by him, Vidic will make poor clearances, Jones will give away silly fouls, Smallin will get turned inside out, Cleverley/Fellaini/Giggs will fail to pick up late runners e.t.c You name it, it will happen. We are going to concede come what may, so we need to focus on carrying some threat at the other end.

Moyes and his backroom staffs over focus on solidity though is dulling the spark of all our players, even the flair ones.

A paltry 8 goals at O.T and some think the problem is being solid and grinding against visiting teams.

leggo: zaha in, chicha out. adnan thru the centre

Oghos1: Again, a good number people here are are too limited when it comes to d number and types of match they watch.

They watch highlights of their opponents, thus seeing the good side.
They then come to their own team to 'SEARCH' fervently for errors because its popular opinion that d players are shyte.

Even if u decide to watch isco, iniesta etc and decide to hurl abuses at them each time they 'pass backwards'-when itz d only option, give d ball away of get disposessed.
Lemmi just isolate iniesta. Watch iniesta's game with d intention of searching for errors, in 1 weekend, ur complains will occupy a nairaland page.

D funny thing is that u don't even know that's what ur doing, it has become a reflex action for some people. smh

montelik: You and this your obsession with pace (at least it wasn't pace & power like usual)

Which Jones has balance? The lad that still injures himself every other tackle he makes or commits himself to and still has regular fits of clumsiness. No doubt about it, he is improving steadily. He has a lot of potential but a lot of learning and improving still to do.

I know he has now become your new crush, but don't over rate or exaggerate his attributes.

montelik: No I will not agree. Have we not been fielding a CB at RB for a while now, even though we a multi purpose fullback(who was played in our UCL final appearance 11) frozen out of the squad. Why is Welbeck a striker (whose breakthrough season, 11/12, came when he was played upfront, what a surprise) on the wings, when we just gave Nani a new contract and signed Zaha for £15m. What is Kagawa doing out wide, when we could desperately use his creativity in the center. Why is Phil Jones in midfield, when we have our 3rd costliest signing, sitting on the bench and Anderson as well.

As for O'Shea he only ever played in a 2 man midfield for us in inconsequential games (league cup) or when injuries, suspensions and fixture congestion dictated it. The other occasions, he was played in 3 man center when we were happy for a draw, and/or simply wanted to frustrate and stop superior or deadly sides from blowing us open early.

Presbulg: ^^^
hey, Arshavin is still a better player than Valencia, Go figure

Presbulg: ^^^
hey, Arshavin is still a better player than Valencia, Go figure

montelik: As for the Moyes is relatively blameless excuses coming up. Utter nonsense.

I will post a comment I saw which barring a few differences encapsulates how I feel about the Moyes was given a tricky situation excuses.



http://therepublikofmancunia.com/confirmed-line-up-united-vs-everton-4/comment-page-5/#comment-655492

montelik: Jones in midfield will not help us, the same way playing Fortune, Smith, P Neville, Rio, O'Shea and numerous others did really not help in our wilderness years 2003-2006.

Play players in their proper positions and let them sink or swim on their own merit. Gimmicks won't help.

StarBoard: Phil Jones isn't made out to be a midfielder.
He is being improvised into that role.
Making that into a long term assignment will surely cause imbalance in the side.
His failure to sign a midfielder in the summer has led to this.

That is why 15 games into the season we still fear basement sides.

chrisley024: His problem is his useless fb style n tactics. Also d reason he has been unable to beat top teams on away games.
D only thing he has achieved is to concede less goals against them n dat's not d United way.

Our weapon is attack!

StarBoard: You may have a point.
A certain Brown Ideye keeps getting into the side.
Even elampiro with his bald head and gimpy leg will play better than that dude.
He supposedly plays behind the main strike with Moses and Ahmed Musa (another Tijani Babangida/Pius Ikedia who doesn't have any sense of dire action or bearing)
He dropped Emenike due to injury even though he had recovered for the Confed Cup and took one Oduamadi who scored a hat trick vs Tahiti and felt he had arrived.
Sunday Mba hasn't done much since the ANC yet he always plays.