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Fabville: In that 2007/08 season Man Utd played mostly two-man midfield. Yes, we played three-man midfield in some few games and in some Hargreaves didn't feature at all.

Carrick/Scholes combo featured in nothing less than 15 games in all competition. We also had Scholes/Ando, Carrick/Fletcher, Hargo/Scholes, Carrick/Hargo, Ando/Hargo, Carrick/Ando, Ando/Hargo, Hargo/Fletch and Ando/Fletch.

Go and check those matches again, you will see that it was in few matches that we used three-man midfield.

Fabville: I don't seem to understand you when you post things like these and when people corrects you, you still keep on posting false in formation. We are no longer in dark ages when there are no records to rely on. Hargreaves wasn't out for three months. There was NO MONTH that Hargreaves did not feature in Man Utd team right from August 2007 till May 2008.

These are games that Hargreaves appeared in that season in all competitions (24 EPL & 8 UCL)
EPL
11-05-08 Wigan Athletic 0 - 2 Manchester United 23
03-05-08 Manchester United 4 - 1 West Ham United 90
26-04-08 Chelsea 2 - 1 Manchester United 76
13-04-08 Manchester United 2 - 1 Arsenal 90
06-04-08 Middlesbrough 2 - 2 Manchester United 23
29-03-08 Manchester United 4 - 0 Aston Villa 28
19-03-08 Manchester United 2 - 0 Bolton Wanderers 90
01-03-08 Fulham 0 - 3 Manchester United 90
10-02-08 Manchester United 1 - 2 Manchester City 17
02-02-08 Tottenham Hotspur 1 - 1 Manchester United 46
30-01-08 Manchester United 2 - 0 Portsmouth 17
19-01-08 Reading 0 - 2 Manchester United 71
01-01-08 Manchester United 1 - 0 Birmingham City 16
29-12-07 West Ham United 2 - 1 Manchester United 80
16-12-07 Liverpool 0 - 1 Manchester United 90
08-12-07 Manchester United 4 - 1 Derby County 90
03-12-07 Manchester United 2 - 0 Fulham 90
24-11-07 Bolton Wanderers 1 - 0 Manchester United 90
11-11-07 Manchester United 2 - 0 Blackburn Rovers 77
03-11-07 Arsenal 2 - 2 Manchester United 90
27-10-07 Manchester United 4 - 1 Middlesbrough 66
01-09-07 Manchester United 1 - 0 Sunderland 90
26-08-07 Manchester United 1 - 0 Tottenham Hotspur 90
19-08-07 Manchester City 1 - 0 Manchester United 90

UCL
21-05-08 Chelsea 1 - 1P Manchester United 90
29-04-08 Manchester United 1 - 0 Barcelona 90
23-04-08 Barcelona 0 - 0 Manchester United 90
09-04-08 Manchester United 1 - 0 Roma 90
01-04-08 Roma 0 - 2 Manchester United 35
04-03-08 Manchester United 1 - 0 Olympique Lyonnais 0
20-02-08 Olympique Lyonnais 1 - 1 Manchester United 78
27-11-07 Manchester United 2 - 1 Sporting CP 11

So where is your three months absence?

dademola: oga, ur #4 point is null and void. Hargreaves played RB dt dai, cos brown had to play CB due to vidic being injured. Stop making it seem as if fergie made a big decision by dropping a particular playa. U cant just come here and start making things up anyhw jare....

coogar: you lack cognitive reasoning.....
how did it boost hargreaves? the fact that keane/scholes missed the final in 99 and butt/beckham played in the central midfield further reinforces my point that hatchet men are grossly overrated.



chelsea with all their hatchet men were eliminated by guardiola's barca in 08/09 could only manage 29% possession against barca. inter were even worse @ nou camp, they could only manage 24% possession.



scholes was a card close to suspension - he had to be preserved till the late in the game, it's a no brainer. scholes played as a central midfielder against barca in 2008 @ he did against chelsea in the final. that tells me he was more instrumental in the midfield than hargreaves that was left on the wing to protect wes brown.



so hargreaves playing on the right was able to mark etoo, messi & iniesta? how do you sleep at night with all these lies? the duel on the night was messi vs evra

Much attention will be focused on Evra's ability to cope with Lionel Messi - Barca's key attacking threat, who tends to start on the right wing.

When United beat Barca in the 2008 semi-finals, Ferguson asked Evra to take responsibility for the Argentine and the defender responded by almost completely annulling the threat posed by Messi.

"When we played them last year we had to depend on the form of Patrice Evra and I'm going to depend on that again," said Ferguson.

"I think Patrice Evra is a fantastic football player - he's so quick and you need that against Messi because he's so quick himself."

Evra feels Messi is a better player now than he was when they last met but the United star believes he has what it takes to come out on top once again.

"It is not easy to play against one of the best players in the world," he added. "You can stop him maybe 10 times but one time he might beat you and score and everyone will say you played badly against Lionel Messi.

"He looks more mature than last year and it will be a bigger challenge for me. "But I train every day against amazing players like Cristiano Ronaldo, Carlos Tevez and Wayne Rooney so I know the way I need to play against him."




you are a pathological liar
sneijder is a luxury player - he doesn't win any ball. he's a creator and one must be very silly to compare sneijder with hargreaves in terms of winning the ball. maybe this tool is confusing sneijder with schneider. they are different players.



kagawa's defensive stats(last season)

1 block/interception per game.
0.85 tackles per game
88% tackles successful
0.65 aerial duels per game
31% aerial duel successful

afrodoc: Butt preferred to Scholes in big games? u r really hilarious.

1)in the quarter final against Inter 1st leg at Old Trafford Keane and Scholes started,Butt did not play......2nd leg Scholes came in and scored,Butt did not play

2)against Barcelona home and away Scholes started, Butt was on the bench

3[b])against Bayern Munich Scholes started,Butt was on the bench[/b]

4)in the FA Cup final against Newcastle Scholes played and scored,Butt was "not involved"

from the above does it look like Butt was preferred to Scholes in big matches to you? You took the exception and made it the rule


where do you come up with these bits of alternative history?

dademola: and stop comparing hargreaves to sneijder cos dey r entirely different players in different positions!!

dademola: scholes was a yellow card away from missing d final.considering his disciplinary record, him starting on d bench shudnt be too difficult for even a learner to comprehend!!

Ubenedictus: that is simply a hyperbole, and truly despite our best effort we sin again, please read in context, go back and check the reading of the day.

Ubenedictus: again the pope didn't say anything about going to heaven, the secular press did. the doctrine he preached there is called universal atonement, if you are a catholic you should know it. universal atonement state that on the cross christ objectively atone for the sins of the whole world, even the bible says so. christ has made sufficient atonement for all men what remains is the subjective appropriation of the fruits of that atonement is what remains. if i go further i'll be talking theology, are you a catholic

Ubenedictus: please bold the part where the pope said ''if you do good you arw redeemed. again that is a misinterpretation

chuqudy: Just like I said, metaphorically speaking, our sins are Jesus' "sins". It does not mean that Jesus is a sinner. When you say Jesus is the lion of the tribe of Judea, it does not mean that Jesus is a lion or beast or animal. If I were the Pope, I would stop speaking in idioms and metaphors. People are out there to highjack, misinterprete and misunderstand his words. Also, not every body has the ability of deep thinking. There are many people in the world with low IQ. That is why I like Pope Benedict. He will tell you the simple fact in a clear terms and he no send anybody. I miss Pope Benedict very much. However, I am drawn closer to the church now because of Pope Francis. I can also see that many people are drawn closer to the Church since Francis became Pope. Nothing pursues a sinner from God more than when you try to Judge a sinner first for his sins. But when you present love and forgiveness first to the sinner, the sinner would start to show interest in the church and gradually drops all his sins. I think this is the tactics Francis is using. But it would not work on everybody especially the "I too knows", "hipocrists", "holier than thous" and the bigoted minds.

christ is comin: Celibacy isn't a natural way! We added somany thing to the rule of GOD..... Nicea conferences stuffs, The preist now make everything confusing.

Blackteeth: This is a welcome development. How does getting married affect the perfomance of a priest discharging his duties? If presidents who are very busy can live a married life then why cant priests? Priests are not even busy people in the real sense of the word. The decision by the catholic church to ban priests from getting married doesnt make any sense at all.

afrodoc: Oga
Paul Scholes started the first leg and came on in the 2nd leg against Juventus in 1999.Pls how was he "not involved"?

coogar: 100%? it's easy to score 100% when you have a one-off season like hargreaves did. how come hargreaves did not win the CL in every season he played at bayern munich if he's so good?



you are a disgrace to football punditry!
blimey, you saw keane in 1999 champions league final? somebody punch me in the face, please. elampiro is rewriting history with lies and misinformation.



scholes/carrick played in the centre of the midfield against barca(2 legs) while hargo played as a fullback in the semis. in the final, hargo played as a right midfielder, scholes/carrick played as the central midfielders. you have to be plumbing new depths of idiöcy to think hargo was the ball winner in the advanced stages of the CL in 2008.



there was no fat ronaldo in madrid when redondo & raul disgraced united in 2000. they won 3-2 on our turf. this is the reason i keep saying you know nothing about man utd! another beer parlour analysis exposed.



of course, i didn't see the game.....only elampiro would think the job of the hatchet man is to stop a winger. your lack of decorum is the only reason you are still posting. all your lies have been exposed.



so how did hargreaves' ability to win the ball from the midfield help united when he played as a right back against barca in 2008?



kagawa has more defensive nous than sneijder. sneijder is a luxury player - he's as defensive as inzaghi. a midfielder that did not have a single aerial duel is elampiro's lion in a midfield. how much lower can you sink?

afrodoc: so according to elampiro
1) Roy Keane played in the 99 final

2) Sneijder is a "lion" who wins 50-50 balls unlike Kagawa

3) Messi started on the left of Barca's attack in 2008 but was chased to Evra's side by Hargreaves .......really?

4) As a corollary to no 3 above Messi was CLIPPED by Hargreaves

5) Hargreaves was preferred in big games to carrick and scholes despite the fact that in the 2nd half of the season Hargreaves started in CM in only ONE match against a top 4 team and only TWO out of 7 Champion's League matches while carrick and scholes started in 6 and 5 respectively.

Bros u might have played with karimu shaibu o but ur football analysis needs some reconfig.

Fabville: The guy reads a lot of articles from bloggers and he believes so much in bloggers even if what the blogger wrote is totally in contrast to what he himself sees. The moment he posted an article to support all that he had said about Hargreaves, that confirmed what i was thinking that he must have been reading something from somewhere.

@elampiro believes so much in what he reads more than what he sees.

dademola: .u forgot to add d most important one:HARGREAVES WAS OUT FOR 3 MONTHS IN THE 07/08 SEASON!!

Judas2013: I see gay people kiss on the bus almost everyday. Nothing is wrong with them.... Bleep god and his commandments, wasnt his son jesus gay? I hope one of ur kids turn gay and let's see what u will do.

kimco: goes to show u how ignorant u are. Go sir and learn about them instead of going on about like the ignoramus that u are. Research....internet is ur friend.

chuqudy: There are many websites there that are good in misinterpreting whatever Pope says. I was not taught to go to confession like you just quoted. So i would prefer to hear directly from Pope Francis who unfortunately for me speaks in Latin and not English. There is the possibility of misinterpretation. I know what the Pope was trying to say is that Christ bears our sins as if it were His sins. This is the only advantage of those who believe in Christ's salvific power. Christs caries your sins for you and metaphorically speaking, your sins becomes Christ's sins. But, the Pope should have added the popular words of St. Paul( which I believed the Pope must have sayed many times but which the media would not like to show you) which says "should we remain in sin so that grace will multiply? Not at all"

kimco: you dnt think same would be done if it was racial instead? Then we blacks and the coloured must be protected by illuminati too. These gays are born gay....how is that their fault? I really want to know...explain hw being a homosexual is their fault, then i'll listen to u, no complaints

Judas2013: The King of England King James wrote the bible not Kumuyi or Oyedepo. Perhaps they have realised most of the stories are inhumane so they have updated it . The Pope will soon tell you christianity is a fraud. But the problem is people like will will not listen. Jesus is a fraud,be warned!

Ubenedictus: u are preaching to the choir, i do not hate gays. But i do consider their sexual relations to be sinful and now if i dare preach that in the UK i'll be thrown in jail. Since when did preaching the immorality of a partcular act bcome illegal

Pedro Amada: . Atheist is talking well Admin misquoted the Pope you even misunderstood him just becos you need a lot of attention & contribution from your audience..... Responding to the three questions posed by the Italian journalist and writer, the Pope says the key issue for non-believers is that of “obeying their consciences” when faced with choices of good or evil. God’s mercy, he stresses, “has no limits” for those who seek him with a sincere and contrite heart.


Reflecting on the question of absolute truth, Pope Francis says he prefers to describe the truth in terms of a dynamic relationship between each Christian and Jesus, who said, ‘I am the way, the truth and the life’. The truth of God’s love, the Pope insists, is not subjective, but it is only experienced and expressed as a journey, a living relationship with each one of us, in our different social and cultural contexts.


Thirdly, Pope Francis considers the question of God as a creation of the human mind, who will thus disappear when human beings cease to exist on earth. In my experience, he says - and in that of so many other Christians past and present – God is not merely an idea but is a “Reality” of infinite goodness and mercy, revealed to us through his son, Jesus of Nazareth.


Reflecting on the originality of the Christian faith in relations to other religions, the Pope stresses the role of Jesus who renders us all sons and daughters of God, therefore also brothers and sisters to each other. Our arduous task, he says, is that of communicating God’s love to all, not in a superior way, but rather through service to all people especially those on the margins of our societies.


Finally the Pope spoke of his deep respect and friendship for people of Jewish faith – especially those with whom he worked so closely in his native Argentina. Reflecting on the terrible experience of the Shoah, he said, we can never be grateful enough to the Jews who maintained their faith in God, thus teaching us too to remain always open to his infinite love.

Ndukwe007: what a pity, I had thought there is a grain of christianity in chatolim