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peteregwu: I have read it and I know it very well, but you seem not to grasp the whole meaning.

I believe in the pretribulation rapture. I know some don't believe that. but the impression i want to correct is that, many think that Jesus is going to come before the beginning of the great tribulation, no! Jesus's not coming with a shout or last trumpet. the pretribulation rapture or escape is when the believers will be removed before that days of trouble (great tribulation). people are thinking that the Lord will descend with a shout, no. It is going to be secretely, just like He described it, "like a thief."
"Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." Revelation 3:3 KJV.

When the Lord will come with a shout with the saints and angels will be after the great tribulation. Pls I said He is coming with saints and the angels. Who are those saints? They are those that made the pre-tri rapture. Pls read, "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints," Jude 1:14 KJV


If you still doubting the pretribulation rapture, please read the verse below and tell me what the Lord Jesus meant by His statement.
"For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. [36] Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." Luke 21:35-36 KJV.

What does Jesus meant by "snare" above.... Is it not trouble(great tribulation I believe)? And now He forewarned us to "pray that will may be counted worthy to escape all theses things." now what was the thing Jesus was laying emphasis on? Brethren it is the great tribulation, the time of troubles. Be warned! Remember the parable of the "five wise Virgins."

Matthew 25:2-6, 10 KJV
"And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. [3] They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: [4] But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. [5] While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. [6] And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. [10] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut."

The lord says we will not know that day or hour. It will look like a normal good day and many will be marrying, eating, drinking and marrying etc. At that time no one will ever believe He would come (those are the foolish virgins). Then, it will take them by surprise and like a snare as the scripture says, immediately the rapture happens, it will shock everyone all over the whole world which make the whole world to be in turmoil. And because of this, the world government will become one and the man of sin will become the world leader unknowing to them is a Satan incarnate them. You see my brother, God has revealed this rapture to me and it will shortly take place. All am saying is that let all the Christians be ready.


Matthew 24:40-42 KJV
"Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. [41] Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. [42] Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."

The pretribulation rapture is obtaining salvation from the wrath to come. God has not appointed us to wrath brother. In everything of trouble, God always remove the righteous and exempt them from such troubles. Remember lot, Noah, and the children of Israel in Egypt. The children of Israel was in the.land of Goshen and was exempted from His wrath when He poured it upon the Egyptians. 1 Thessalonians 5:5, 9 KJV
"Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. [9] For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,"

The people that will make it at those people who are holy inwardly and outwardly before the Lord. My brother what I am telling you is the fact. The onky people that will remain is those ones that are compromises, sinners, hypocrites etc those ones that claim to be going to church and are not truly serious and born again. They will all be left and pay with their on the days of antichrist. In that time God will now face the Israelites whom He has covenant with in the old testament, the coming great tribulation will also make many Jews to believe in the Lord Jesus but they will pay dearly for it and also all sinners.

Already everyone that is born again and living a righteous life will face tribulation and persecution in this time now. But the great tribulation is not for the true believers but for unbelievers and those that are hypocrites and sinners (the people of the world).

Revelation 3:10 KJV
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

You are repeating same mistakes.

You quoted Luke 21:35-36, go and read the whole of Luke 21 for a comprehensive understanding. You also quoted Mathew 24:40-41 where Jesus said two will be standing and one taken, etc. Read the whole of Mathew 24 and you will see that this separation of the saints from others will be after Jesus will come in the cloud with the earth shaking and the stars falling. Don't get it twisted.

Yes Jesus second coming will be like a thief in the night just as it was in the time of Noah. He is coming just once after the Tribulation and it will happen like a thief- because no one can't ever predict the hour.



Read Mathew 24 from verse 19 for a full understanding.

  Mathew 24:29 “Immediately after the distress of those days“‘the sun will be darkened,    and the moon will not give its light;the stars will fall from the sky,    and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[b]30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d]31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[e] is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.(b)       The Day and Hour Unknown36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.


**** Finally, Before the year 1830, nothing was heard or said about rapture. The theory of rapture started 180 years ago by John Darby of the Plymouth Brethren in England. It is a false teaching that will be part of instruments used by the Antichrist to deceive people to make him appear genuine.

Super Eagles on my mind first.

All the big football countries won their matches today. Ronaldo said to hit a hatrick.

Welbeck's night.

[quote author=♛AndrERush♛]I hate this International break. I can't wait to see how our team does against Palace with Fellaini in.[/quote]My prayer that all United men return without any injuries.

SAF usually rest players who went to international duties. We can't afford that now.

peteregwu: DONT BE DECEIVED BROTHER. THE DAYS OF THE ANTICHRIST IS WHEN THE WRATH OF GOD WILL BE OUTPOURED ON THE WOULD BECAUSE OF WICKEDNESS. PLS THE CHILDREN OF GOD WILL ESCAPE IT, I MEAN THE HOLY VIRGINS.

Luke 21:36 KJV
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Read the whole of Luke 21. Stop lifting verses from a whole description of events. Or you may read Mathew 24 which has a better outline of these events.

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10 Then he said to them: “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11 There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven.

12 “But before all this, they will seize you and persecute you. They will hand you over to synagogues and put you in prison, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name. 13 And so you will bear testimony to me. 14 But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves. 15 For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict. 16 You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers and sisters, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. 17 Everyone will hate you because of me. 18 But not a hair of your head will perish. 19 Stand firm, and you will win life.

20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22 For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

25 “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26 People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

Personally, I don't think this war will start. The US congress can't be so foolish as to vote for a war. Obama is using the congress to escape the war and save face.

SailorXY: Hehehe I'm sure the English Pele must have shook his head @ such blatant selfishness

English Pele no dey quick vex. He is such a selfless man, but he doesn't get it in return.

peteregwu: tribulation is different from the great tribulation. their will be rapture my friend. we are not appointed to wrath, but to obtain salvation through Jesus. "for we are not of darkness but of light an day." the righteous one will not be here when the mark of beast begin. remember the five foolish and wise virgins.

Did you not read in book of Mathew 24 that if possible even the elect will be misled? Did you not read in Revelation that The two beasts will be given power over the Children of God? So who are those children of God?

2 Thessalonians 2

The Man of Lawlessness
2 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

Iran will support Syria 'to the end': military chief.
http://news.yahoo.com/iran-support-syria-end-military-chief-101944728.html

peteregwu: we are getting closer to the rapture. if people mis the rapture, they will suffer the greatest suffering of all time. on that day, they will wish to die but death will not come. now is the acceptable time, tomorrow maybe too late.

Who told you the rapture will come before the Tribulation? The bible doesn't support this rapture 'doctrine' which was introduced in 1830.

Just about posting this.

It's looks like this war is going to happen and later spread.

Nani 5 years contract extension is good news.

"I'm very happy that the new manager has shown this faith in me. I'm looking forward to helping the team compete for more honours this season." - Nani.

coogar: kagawa poses more threat to defenders than most of our attacking players. he's too intelligent - sadly, we have loads of british players & foreign mechanical players in the team who would rather hoof it than play short intricate passes at the edge of the box.


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RVP best option in this video was not to shoot. If he had picked his team mate it should have been a simple nod into the net.

Just an observation.

Odunharry: Stat bw carrick n Felaini

Carrick played 36/38 for United last
season and was pivotal to their title
success, whereas Fellaini appeared on
31 occasions for Everton, racking up a
total minutes tally of 2785. In that game time, the Toffees man
played 1283 successful passes, while
Carrick successfully completed 3045,
accumulating an accuracy percentage
of 88. The average length of Carrick's
passing was 19m, while Fellaini's was 15m, and the former played 33 key
passes while the latter 35. Fellaini won 60 tackles - Carrick 58 -
and won 151 of his headers - Carrick
just 17. Neither player received a red card,
although Fellaini got into a bit of
trouble for elbows and heads, and
while the former Everton man picked
up nine cards, Carrick was shown just
three. There's an evident difference in the
way the two play, Carrick sitting in the
deep role making tackles and
spraying the ball around the pitch
while Fellaini is more of a threat
driving forward, and it's noticeable in their goal return. Carrick scored just
once, but Fellaini hit 11. The pair, on paper, look like a good
match. Carrick with the coolness on
the ball and Fellaini with the bite, so
fingers crossed we've heard the last of
United's search for a central midfielder!

The bold part is so appealing to me.

"I'll never forget sitting there at home watching that final [1999 Champions League Final] all those years ago, and I made my mind up then that United were my team.

"It wasn't just the fact that they were European champions, it was the way they did it.

"I was captivated, and it has been a dream ever since that I might one day pull on the jersey and call myself a United player. I have counted myself a United fan all these years, and when the call came, I didn't have to think twice. In fact, the only thought that crossed my mind was getting it done in time.

"The clock was ticking, and when the form was put in front of me, I signed straightaway. I have never signed my name so fast in all my life. Nothing was going to stop me seizing this opportunity. It is true that I sacrificed some money (on my Everton contract), but that didn't matter. All that counted was getting the deal done and realising my dream.

"If you are not worthy of wearing the Manchester United shirt, they will not come for you. David Moyes has always had confidence in me. He knows what I can do, and he made it clear he wants me in his team. That was all I needed to hear." -Fellaini

I guess the remainder of the vote next week will just be a formality.

Senate panel voted in favour of military strike gainst Syria.

Associated Press 22 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — A Senate panel has voted to give President Barack Obama the authority to use military force against Syria in response to a deadly chemical weapons attack.

The vote Wednesday was 10-7, with one senator voting present. The full Senate is expected to vote on the measure next week.

The resolution would permit Obama to order a limited military mission against Syria, as long as it doesn't exceed 90 days and involves no American troops on the ground for combat operations.

The Democratic chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, Sen. Bob Menendez, and the panel's top Republican, Sen. Bob Corker, crafted the resolution.

The vote marked the first time lawmakers have voted to authorize military action since the October 2002 votes giving President George W. Bush the authority to invade Iraq.
http://news.yahoo.com/senate-panel-votes-authorize-force-syria-192751201--politics.html

[quote author=Mr_TA]How on earth is Rooney conscious from that despite seeing his skull there [/quote]Too horrible.

Quotes from Ander Herrera's press conference :

Ander Herrera: "First and foremost, a club has to pay the buyout clause, which is a lot of money, the club made that clear. I don't feel manipulated. How can I feel manipulated by a club like Manchester United? I appreciate their interest and what Bilbao value me at"

Ander Herrera: "Manchester United never told me, or any of my representatives that they would pay the buyout clause. There's no chance I'd leave unless they'd pay the buyout clause and then spoken to me about it. That didn't happen."

Ander Herrera: "I think United probably need to answer a few questions. I'm proud they made an offer for me."

Ander Herrera: "Those lawyers who showed up at LFP were not my representatives. I have no idea who they were."

Ander Herrera: "I don't feel bad that United dropped their interest. I'm just happy the champion of one of the biggest leagues wanted me."

-The particular facebook fan page failed to mention the source of this alleged interview. But it looks credible.

Where did Phil Jones learnt his football? Look at the way he injured a player in training. Mhamhamha! look at the hole on Rooney's head.

Some people seem to be questioning my commitment to the England squad and the fact I had to pull out of the 2 games. There's nothing I would like more than to be helping the lads in the qualifiers. I'm sure people will see from these images the reason why I won't be able to play. - Rooney.
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Would like to welcome Marouane Fellaini to the club, he has always played really well against us and is a much better player than he is often given credit for! - Rooney.

debosky: This isn't the first time a transfer window has existed - nothing you've said above is new or unique. Other clubs worked through these same constraints and signed players. If you sign a player for more than the release clause (which was available for over a month) after making multiple bids undervaluing the player, it is bad business.

I felt Moyes certainly knew better with all his experience in the business and having just left Everton. But I could be wrong.

nateevs: It doesn't make the deal better. There was a release clause. Pay that. Speak to player. Save £4m.

Sometimes it is easier to criticise than act. First we don't have full details of everything that went on in the transfer period. Secondly, we don't know if Fellaini was a prime target or an alternative target. Thirdly, we don't know how much Everton made things difficult.

Mine now is to watch how we progress with the 'new team'. I am earnestly waiting for fixtures to resume.

SailorXY: It is being reported that the extra £4m on Fellaini's proposed fee was the loyalty bonus he forfeited for handing in a transfer request. Actual fee is still what was on his expired release clause! Not bad business as we thought huh

I read it too.

Manchester United manager David Moyes is certain Marouane Fellaini will be a success at Old Trafford.

But, despite to big price tag, Moyes, who worked with the Belgian during their time togather at Goodison park, believes the former Standard Liege man is good enough for the Premier League champions.

"Marouane is not someone you want to be playing against, he has attributes other people don't have. And with those qualities he has, I am sure he will be a big player for Manchester United."

Moyes will be relieved to bolster his midfield options. And, as Moyes pointed out, Fellaini provides a variety of options.

"He can play higher up the field if we need him to, just behind a main striker," added Moyes. "He can play as a defensive or holding midfield player. In fact he is comfortable in any position in the middle of the field.

"It was definitely a position where people would say we were short, not just of numbers, with the likes of Paul Scholes retiring and Darren Fletcher not being ready to come back just now. I am glad we have got him." (Source: Talksport)

Purist: Apart from Fabregas, I don't quite recall Moyes telling the press about any transfer target so far.

How did the press get to know about every bid for Fellaini and Baines. Then we heard about some other rumours. It was too wide spread. Last year, I didn't hear of several bids and rejects. Rumours were there for RVP and Lucas, but no one was so sure until RVP's deal was almost done. Now it is like the press get to know when the bid is being prepared by the club.

The difference between SAF and Moyes is that SAF learnt how to keep his mouth shut while Moyes opened up or led the press to every of his inner thought.

Now it is like Woodward and Moyes caused a mess all over Europe this summer in the name of chasing a midfield player.

Emperoh: I am just wondering where the comparison between Moyes and Fergie is coming from? Is there any basis for this really? we are in a new era mates! Get used to it! Why are u guys expecting the same thing? Come on!

I think the criticism on Moyes is just UNFAIR! Dude hasn't even settled in and some of us have passed verdict on him
Why so?

For all i care, i think i am comfortable with the way he's laid his team out to play. I am looking forward to see how he plays in Europe in a few weeks time.
What he needs to understands is how attack minded we are and also how we approach issues off the pitch.
These should come as he beds in.

Every great manager had his start off point. Fergie knew his background before he brought him in
And i can only say that we just need to hold out a bit before we slate him.

it took Ferguson 5 years plus to win any major title for United. Given that issues in this era is more business like, hence no more patience, i still think Moyes still needs time to bed and reappraise his approach.

We have just been spoilt with trophies and success that a hiccup is unforgivable!
Cut dude some slack please.

No be today dem naysayers begin dey pronounce our death! Transitions happen. We are just experiencing our.
He will come good, Moyes!

You have a point. There is a learning curve.

Moyes won't repeat this kind of mistakes next summer.

chamotex: The main issue is with Madrid. They didnt tue up the deal...they didnt get their replacement for Coentrao

Coentrao would have really balanced things for us at the back. I would have love to see another experienced left back competing with Evra. Evra's defensive method is some how these days.

I don't think Buttner is even a good reserve left back yet. Evans should back up in case Evra is injured. It will work that way.

An all out war might break out.

I don't think FIFA will act like robots not to let United tiding up the Fabio Coentrao’s deal. To me it will be ridiculous. Except if there are things not made known. What is this nonsense about fax and paper work? I beg they should pass that one via the back door.

The whole mess might turn out to be a blessing in disguise.

We have Nani who can single handedly win games. He will get more playing time with less competition in the team.

We have Kagawa who you guys think is a genius. He will have his time to express himself without any one like Ozil or Fab competing with him. Rooney is out for a month.

Cleverley and Anderson can still prove they are much relevant.

Only the left back has a gap now.

This team won the EPL last season. Carrick and Cleverley played most of the matches and even some big matches. Only Scholes is missing. Now Fellaini will bring a bit of energy as compared to Scholes. Let's run and see. There will be a window opened again in January. Moyes might be exiting some players next summer and gather more cash. By then the lapses would have been clearly shown to him over dozens of matches.

Let's watch and see.