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Pedro Amada: Admin misquoted him even misunderstood him....Responding to the three questions posed by the Italian journalist and writer, the Pope says the key issue for non-believers is that of “obeying their consciences” when faced with choices of good or evil. God’s mercy, he stresses, “has no limits” for those who seek him with a sincere and contrite heart.


Reflecting on the question of absolute truth, Pope Francis says he prefers to describe the truth in terms of a dynamic relationship between each Christian and Jesus, who said, ‘I am the way, the truth and the life’. The truth of God’s love, the Pope insists, is not subjective, but it is only experienced and expressed as a journey, a living relationship with each one of us, in our different social and cultural contexts.


Thirdly, Pope Francis considers the question of God as a creation of the human mind, who will thus disappear when human beings cease to exist on earth. In my experience, he says - and in that of so many other Christians past and present – God is not merely an idea but is a “Reality” of infinite goodness and mercy, revealed to us through his son, Jesus of Nazareth.


Reflecting on the originality of the Christian faith in relations to other religions, the Pope stresses the role of Jesus who renders us all sons and daughters of God, therefore also brothers and sisters to each other. Our arduous task, he says, is that of communicating God’s love to all, not in a superior way, but rather through service to all people especially those on the margins of our societies.


Finally the Pope spoke of his deep respect and friendship for people of Jewish faith – especially those with whom he worked so closely in his native Argentina. Reflecting on the terrible experience of the Shoah, he said, we can never be grateful enough to the Jews who maintained their faith in God, thus teaching us too to remain always open to his infinite love.

Ubenedictus: what is new there, christ became sin for us that we may have the righteousness of christ. Please note that isn't me or the pope, it is paul in the bible. Christ has become sin for me, that is why he was on the cross, each time i confess my sins i'm just acting on what the bible say Christ has become sin for me, confession is handing over sins to he who is sin for me and i simply take up the righteoussness of christ.
That is basic pauline theology, i thought christain read the bible, did you miss that?

Celibacy was never a church dogma, it is a church discipline, a very good one to boot, one that takes advantages of a biblical advise and has centuries of practice. But it is still a discipline and a pope or and a general council can totally change it. Personally i think the pope or council that tries that will be making a heavy mistake with dangerous repercussion but the comments you referenced are totally consistent with church teaching. Celibacy can be changed, the priesthood isn't dependent on celibacy. For now you are just raising smoke.

italo: Wrong! Every pope's statements have always been controversial to the world.

That's why Peter was crucified upside down. That's why Jesus was crucified 'upside up.' Controversial statements misunderstood by the world.

coogar: so we weren't disgraced between 2000 and 2005 when keane was in his active years? perhaps you were too young to see what madrid's redondo did to keane & the likes at old trafford. fact remains it was under keane united did not smell the league title for 2.5 seasons. under carrick, the longest we have gone without a league title was 1 season.

barcelona(under pep) disgraced many teams in terms of possession. i can print match facts of arsenal, chelsea, madrid, bayern, inter, milan, etc for you to see the lion share of possession barca had against them. if you play 10 hargreaves against barca, you would still be disgraced.



sneijder & kagawa are the same - they play just behind the striker. zanetti & cambiasso were the hatchet men. sneijder just floated behind milito for inter & behind van persie in the last world cup. who can a short sneijder bully?



hargreaves left & we have won 3 league titles since. jones on ronaldo in madrid? you are so silly. rafael & evra were the ones tasked to man ronaldo. jones was in the midfield - ronaldo rarely operates centrally for madrid, he cuts in from either flanks and when he does finds himself in the centre of the attack, the centre-backs are the ones shadowing him.

very soon, this tool would argue fergie bought RVP because he was more powerful than rooney or fergie bought kagawa because he was more powerful than rooney. perhaps, zaha was also bought because valencia had no power. your beer-parlour analysis does not belong here.

hargreaves was supposed to have joined united long before we bought carrick. bayern politicked for more than 2 seasons before they finally sold him. it's nothing to do with power - united won the league at a canter before hargreaves arrived.

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coogar: that is the beginning of joblessness...,






you are a fraud!
the "sit out" you implied meant hargo got a nod ahead of scholes when it's well documented scholes was injured and he missed 13 league games consecutively.



only a möron would say united played 4-3-3 in moscow and there's no paper that said united played anything apart from 4-4-2 apart from bloggers who are pissy-drunk with the intelligence of a foetus.



hargreaves has been playing as a RB for bayern munich before you started watching united games on TV. it's his comfort zone and he wasn't played there to shadow messi who operated on the right.



show us a clip where hargreaves clipped messi or a report that highlighted this incident or forever wear your pathological lying badge for ever.

the barcelona that beat united in 2009 & 2011 were the best in the world. they disgraced every team they played against in those 2 years. the same midfield won the world cup and 2 euro championships. unless you are deluded to believe hargreaves is better than all the midfielders in the world, your assertion is disgustingly stüpid.

the two times hargreaves faced barcelona, he was a RB. how's the role of a RB going to win the ball from barcelona in the midfield? this is stüpidity at it's sterling quality. schweinsteiger, van bommel, sneijder, khedira, alonso, pepe, etc all tried and failed against barcelona. who is hargreaves?



you are a disgrace to all football fans for lying through your teeth in this debate. barcelona's midfield was yaya toure, xavi and deco. the attack was iniesta, etoo and messi. if messi played on the left, who played on the right? iniesta or etoo? see how easy it is to expose the fraud that you are.......



another stüpid statement....
sneijder is like kagawa, ozil, mata, etc. united wanted a world class number 10, not a hargreaves replacement. hargo & sneijder do not play the same role which means your statement is daft.

hargo is the long time replacement for keane & united won 3 titles without hargreaves. this goes to show hatchet men are overrated. keane couldn't win a title in 2004 & 2005, the longest united have gone in the last 20 years without a title. carrick replaced keane & 3 titles dropped on our lap consecutively.


another proof that hatchet men are overrated!

vivichocs: @op, the topic u chose for this is so destructive cos the pope never said to atheists tht u dont need to believe in God to make heaven, tht wasnt the way he put it...but cos u wantd to criticize and ridicule d pope, u chose tht topic and I know many nairalanders ll make their judgement from tht without reading the whole write up. .for those who didn't read , see below..

Responding to a list of questions published in the paper by Mr Scalfari,
who is not a Roman Catholic, Francis wrote: “You ask me if the God of
the Christians forgives those who don’t believe and who don’t seek
the faith. I start by saying – and this is the fundamental thing – that
God’s mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite
heart. The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their
conscience.
“Sin, even for those who have no faith, exists when people disobey
their conscience.”


so whts wrong with what he said?? or u were expecting him to say tht muslims and others won't make heaven so tht u can start again to criticize him of being judgemental...human beings are so insatiable

peppy luv: We don't need to defend him cuz he said the truth!he is obviously talking about believin in the christian God.
There are muslims and pple of other religions who don't believe in the christian God that are better than many christians especially your fake good for nothing thieves u call ur pastors!why don't u wait till the last day and let God judge and before then stop being a hypocrite and live right!!
Follow ur right concience. sincere service to humanity is the best way to please God.
God bless the pope!!
I am Catholic and Proud!!!

coogar: if i earned a kobo for each time you have told me you are making a last reply, i would be richer than bill gates.



your lies

•hargo was preferred in big games
•hargo was injured for 3 months
•united played 4-3-3 in moscow
•scholes sat out games for hargreaves
•hargo was selected to clip messi's foot



you are a pathological liar.
messi was a RF under rijkaard. it was a front 3 of iniesta(LF) and etoo(CF). evra had messi's attention throughout the tie. messi operated on the right flank - there's no way hargo would have been chosen to deal with messi when hargo played as a RB.



you have no answer for the other arguments, just another maze of well interwoven lies. what has hargo gotta do with messi?



the only season hargo played plenty of matches for us was in 2007/8. since then united have won the title 3 times without the ball-winning type of midfielder. united have also played in 2 finals without hargreaves and could have easily won the champions league competition if we weren't against the best club in football history under guardiola.



all the 4 players in the middle are midfielders. carrick and scholes are always going to be flanked by wingers. one can also easily argue that hargreaves was helped by giggs as a 3rd midfielder in anfield & the emirates in 2007. so your argument is neither there nor here.

SailorXY: here we go...

montelik: ^^ when did 4 become top?

coogar: you have been exposed as a fraud....



this is another lie from the pits of hell....
in our CL knock-out games, carrick started 6 times, scholes started 5 times and hargreaves started only twice as a central midfielder. hargreaves started at anfield/emirates only because scholes was injured.



the 3 games you highlighted were the worst examples you could have brought to the table.

lyon(home) had hargreaves coming on in the 90th minute - if hargreaves was our toughest midfielder, common sense dictates he should have started.

roma(home) was another dead rubber game. rooney & ronaldo did not start. one has to be a fool to call a game united had won the first leg 2-0 away from home a big game.

chelsea(away) was not a priority that season. the lads had just returned from barcelona and ronaldo & tevez did not start this game. the big players were all rested for the 2nd leg of the semifinal clash with barca the following tuesday. how can chelsea match be a big match with ronaldo starting from the bench?

elampiro, if lying was a profession, you would be a managing director. i have warned you this isn't a facebook forum where beer parlour gists are prevalent.

tsmith: Yes, I support him.

Call me a radical Christian, but my experiences in life have shaped me and my belief. I believe in God, because I have personally experienced in and have a 1 on 1 relationship with him. I believe in Jesus Christ & the bible (to some extent) because that these have been indoctrinated into me and fed my belief. But I do not believe Christianity is the only way to God. I believe one’s good deeds would speak bigger volume that the religion you practice on the last day (if there is one)

To start off, the bible was written by human beings like me, their account of events, for the fact that I didn’t see nor was I present at these events leave room for doubt! I also believe because the bible has literary and factual meanings to things, Man over time have interpreted/misinterpreted these (remember what happens with Chinese whispers?).

We talk about God’s grace and how big and incomprehensive it is to man’s understanding, yet we under-estimate such grace. What makes you think on the last or at the gates of heaven, that God would not change his mind contrary to the bible and extend grace to each person. His grace never ends.

I have asked him, the same way he spoke people 3000 years ago to speak to me too, until then I believe what I know, and these keeps changing as time goes. And despite all these, does his grace abide with me or not? Everything the most spirococo person prays and fast for, my Father gives according to my needs, so who dares to contend with me on my belief?

I’m not a catholic, however this latest Pope has impressed me a lot and is very forward thinking! Read my posts; I posted on the need for religion to be brought up to date and into the 21st century, I think backdated religion is man’s greatest problem today; Nigeria is a an exemplary case study!

I am not gay, and would only be flattered if my fellow female made a pass at me, however with a polite decline. Yet, been gay doesn’t mean one can’t be useful in God’s vineyard or can’t be a child of God. The hypocrisy of the Church is laughable!

obayaya: come and see the beauty of God, if you don't, you will perish and Go to hell?

that sounds like "Syria hand over your chemical weapons, or we'll destroy you"

That's a threat my friend.

obayaya: so the best way to win them for Christ is to threaten them with hell? because they were born into a family a country a region that isn't christian?

the wisdom of men is foolishness in the sight of God.

Christians should stop judging others..

tsmith: So you haven't answered the question raised if all ancestors would go to hell, even though they never had the opportunity to hear about God. Its a clear case if by chance you believe they might make heaven due to lack of God's knowledge, then you are thinking alongside the Pope.

Likewise atheists; they have have very good justifications within their conscience for not believing and that could just be permissible in Heaven.

So you are saying you would rather the Pope lied so people can be called to the beauty of God? I dont think that's what Christianity is about, the truth shuld be said at every given opportunity and at the end of the Day, is comes down to personal choice.

I have met some very decent and morally upright people that are not christians, but yet have more love for others than demostrated by many Christians. I feel these people actually deserve heaven more than someone with little or no consideration for others but a 'Christianity' badge.

BERNIMOORE: Matthew 24:15

"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand--


Revelation 18:2

And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of demons.

end-time prophecy in fuffilment, LET READERS DISCERN. no name calling pls.

hbpeze: That is why i tell pple catholic is not a church*even d anglicans*was it not jesus dat said "NO ONE CAN GO THROUGH THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH HIM"so whats ds pope sayin*

damerry: Gbam! Critics please answer the bolded. God bless the pope joor.

damerry: Gbam! Critics please answer the bolded. God bless the pope joor.

dopeJemi: 2008 champions League final, hau United's Line up Looked Like


Wes Brown--- Ferdinand-- vidic-- evra


HAGFREAVES-- schoLes-- Carrick-- Ronaldo


-------------Rooney--------Tevez-----------


E don do abeg