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Manchester United transfer news: Sir Alex Ferguson is losing patience with David De Gea

Published by Patrick Surlis 02/01/2013 10:50,  

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De Gea is under pressure at United (Getty Images)

Manchester United have given David De Gea four months to prove himself as the club's number one, but Sir Alex Ferguson is ready to turn to Stoke City keeper Asmir Begovic if De Gea fails to convince, according to The Sun.

Pressure is mounting on De Gea after a series of high-profile mistakes this season have cost United points in the Premier League.

His latest mishap, against Southampton on Wednesday, saw United fall behind after just two minutes - but Michael Carrick has since taken responsibility for the error, and United recovered to win the match 2-1. The 22-year-old was also at fault after his weak punch led to a late Spurs equaliser last month, costing the Old Trafford side two points at White Hart Lane.

Still, United are willing to give De Gea four months - until the end of the season - to convince the club that he's the right man to be number one.

But contingency plans are already being drawn up in the event that De Gea fails to cut out the mistakes that plague his game - with Stoke shot-stopper Begovic the man lined up to replace the Spaniard.

The 25-year-old Bosnian international has been in superb form for the Potters this season, and was linked with a move to United during the transfer window.

Stoke completed the £4m capture of teenage England goalkeeper Jack Butland, possibly paving the way for the summer departure of Begovic.

Butland will spend the rest of the season on loan at former club Birmingham, before starting his Stoke career at the end of the season.

And the report claims United are weighing up a move for Begovic in the summer - in the hope that Tony Pulis's side will be more willing to sell now they have Butland as a back-up plan.





Fergie: We didn't expect De Gea mistakes - and neither did he

⁠Published 17:00 07/09/11 ⁠ By MirrorFootball ⁠ ⁠ 


Sir Alex Ferguson has admitted he was surprised by David de Gea's errors this season - and so was the young Spaniard.

An £18million summer signing from Atletico Madrid, 20-year-old De Gea has endured a difficult start to life at Manchester United.

Ferguson had to defend the Spain Under-21 star for his performance in the Community Shield at Wembley.

But while an argument on De Gea's behalf could be made over Manchester City's two goals, there was nothing anyone could say to lessen the impact of an error that gifted West Brom an equaliser in the opening game of the season.



Since then, things have got better for De Gea.

He kept a clean sheet against Tottenham on his competitive Old Trafford bow, then contributed an excellent penalty save to the astonishing 8-2 win over Arsenal, even if Theo Walcott's goal did fly through his legs.

Next up are Bolton, who may no longer be quite as abrasive as before under the stewardship of Owen Coyle but, with Kevin Davies leading their attack, are well capable of making life very difficult for De Gea.

"David made a couple of mistakes in his first games, which we didn't expect and nor did he," Ferguson told Inside United.

"It was unusual because his form at Atletico Madrid as an 18-year-old was sensational.

"There is no doubt we have a player of great potential. Our job at this club is to realise that potential and make sure he becomes a top goalkeeper.

"He'll do that once he gains experience and adapts to the physical nature of the league.

"It is a different game here compared to Spain - there are more crosses to deal with and there is more contact. Bit by bit, we will get there with him."

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Manchester-United-boss-Alex-Ferguson-We-didn-t-expect-David-de-Gea-mistakes-and-neither-did-he-article795912.html

Manchester United v Liverpool: player ratings

Manchester United

David De Gea
Could have done better with Steven Gerrard’s shot that he palmed into the path of Sturridge, especially considering it was the first save he had to make and had little else to do. 6/10

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9799312/Manchester-United-v-Liverpool-player-ratings.html

De Gea was also made two errors early in the game. After Sturridge's goal, the match went to a nervous end.

Manchester United goalkeeper David de Gea's clanger puts Sir Alex Ferguson's side under pressure to qualify


By Chris Bascombe, at Old Trafford

6:30AM GMT 23 Nov 2011

Sir Alex Ferguson slumped back in his seat and delivered the kind of cursory glance David De Gea will see in his nightmares for the next few days.

The £18m goalkeeper has made mistakes before in his fledgling Manchester United career, but none have mattered as much as the one which handed Benfica a point, and left his side improbably sweating on their Champions League survival.

Ferguson could brush off those early season errors as a consequence of a young man adapting to a foreign climate. Judging by his manager’s tetchy post match demeanour, the inexplicable carelessness in the more familiar territory of European competition will take longer to forgive.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8907690/Manchester-United-goalkeeper-David-de-Geas-clanger-puts-Sir-Alex-Fergusons-side-under-pressure-to-qualify.html
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Fergie: De Gea’s Mistake Cost Him His Place

September 2, 2012 ⁠32 Comments

Sir Alex has explained that David de Gea has been left out of the starting line-up for Southampton because of his mistake against Fulham last weekend. United were comfortably winning 3-1 but after failing to make a cross his own, Fulham were let back in to the game and we looked fairly shaky from then on.

Peter Schmeichel or Edwin Van der Sar would have claimed that cross no bother, taking out both players if needed, whilst David still struggles to impose himself physically.

“I think young David made a mistake last week,” he said. “He knows it. With the form he’s been in, he’s been making some fantastic saves, but one error like that could have cost us the game. It’s just a learning process for him and he’ll be back in a couple of weeks’ time.”

Author: Scott   Filed Under Anders Lindegaard, Davi
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/fergie-de-geas-mistake-cost-him-his-place/

[quote author=A-40]I think you are being too harsh on De Gea! At 22 he is still an infant in goalkeeping years! Kahn,Buffon,Schmeichel,Van Der Sar e.t.c where not as good as De Gea at 22
Only Casillas perhaps was as developed as De Gea is now
He was bought for the long-term so potentials have to count as a factor while purchasing him
I won't say he is the best keeper in the EPL but he must be top 4 at least I don't know why you guys are so keen to throw the baby with the bath water
Give him time!!![/quote]I like De Gea, but I think putting a baby in goal did so much harm to us last season, both in League and Champions League. Buffon, Schmeichel, Kahn, etc were not number 1 goal keepers of any of world biggest clubs at 22. They either were learning from more experienced keepers then, or number one for smaller clubs. I read somewhere that Cech hit form at a very young age, I don't know how far that is true. Manchester United is one of the biggest clubs in the world, they shouldn't be having a baby in goal. United missed on Bayern Munich keeper, I think there are other experienced keepers out there in Germany, Italy, etc, who could have survived us for about 3 to 5 years after Van Der Sar departed. If experience didn't matter, we should have left our striking position in the hands of Chicharito and Welbeck. But we got RVP.

I am forced to post some past reports to show some things De Gea has cost us. Though it's good now he's coming up.

[quote author=A-40]I think De Gea has massively improved compared to last season where he was a bit of a klutz at times! He's only 22 and the upside is massive! The average keeper is not even at his peak at 25 so I do think a lot of criticism on De Gea is a bit unfair[/quote]Nobody is disputing his future. If some guys here have said we should give De Gea time because of his potentials, I will agree. But to say he is better than Hart, Cecz and Cesar, Mba.

As a neutral person, if you were to pick from the four keepers above to face Bayern Munich or Dortmond in a UCL final, who will you pick as 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th in your team?

Some people have rightly agreed that he was jittery last season and perhaps the reason we couldn't win the title.

I am confirming now that we saw same jittery the first part of this season. The very reason SAF had to try Lindegard in some matches and they even alternate games. Both os them made lots of mistakes that period. If you say he has done well in the past one or two months I will agree. But as far as I can assess, he is not at same confident or commanding level as Hart, Cecz and Cesar.

If Ferdinand and co have Hart or Cecz or Cesar behind them, they will be less worried about lots of things. De Gea is 22 true, but we aren't arguing about potentials here.

Can people learn to post without insulting others? Imagine some people here having to insult others because of an argument over a 22 years old boy who is far away in UK and receiving millions. Does he even know we exist that we have to resort to insults?

coogar: he's just trolling!
just go with the flow and pick his brains like i have been doing.....



what if i told you de gea has only lost one league game while he was on the pitch this season and your joe hart has lost 3?

in raw stats:

de gea --P20 W17 D2 L1
joe hart--P28 W17 D8 L3

as at valentine's day......
https://therepublikofmancunia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Stats_De-Gea-Hart.png

Can you put the source?

I saw a place they wrote error that lead to goals and De Gea has one. That is misleading please. I have seen him palm two balls straight at on coming strikers and they scored. Also he had a weak punch against Totteham which led to the late equalizer.

[quote author=Real-Mccoy]Do you know that Namibian soldiers guarding oil fields and US green zone in Iraq then were paid 2k dollars every day? Those guys were fearless and I salute them for their service.[/quote]2k dollars everyday? What a juicy job!

Mayowura: Would there be any live coverage for the "show"? Maybe on ait,aljazeera etc. Because i would like to watch live "war film"
If not, na dem get theirselves jare.... Make dem kill their selvz if dem no value their lives.
Thank God nothing like that in Nigeria and such will never happen..... "A big reason to thank God always!"

My guy is that the way you look at it? Any major war involving several countries will lead to collapse of world economy which is already on the edge. Iran and North Korea are not so worried about killing humans, they will try to sabotage free flow of trade, particularly oil distribution. How will businesses run without refined oil? Your TVs might not be able to run 24/7.

The west know this, that is why they are reluctant to stop Iran and N.Korea, also the fear that Russia and China will complicate things.

The world should rather be praying for stoppage of wars or mitigation of the effect because eventually they will come because the bible prophecies have to be fulfilled.

''I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.''
Albert Einstein
US (German-born) physicist (1879 - 1955)

montelik: And that is beginning and the end of 99% of ddg criticisms. "He isn't commanding from aerial balls". News flash every goalie has areas where they can improve but when it comes to ddg, the judgement is always limited to supposed weakness. No attempt to take a total view, just obsess over his weaknesses. When Neville is busy analysing "stares" you know its a circus.

My guy, its not only aerial balls o. He still learning how to kick away with his legs. Sometimes he kick straight to opponents. He aslo has problems with low shots. He also has to learn how to punch balls far away. He will be there, but for now. No.

Trouble!

I think we should thank Rafael, RVP and Evra for their goal line clearance in some of these clean sheets. Mostly Rafael.

coogar: you don't watch united that much so how would you know what de gea does - he's on a streak of 4 back to back clean sheets as we speak in the premier league as we speak but how would you know?



you are doing the equivalent of nani is better than messi cos messi cannot use his right leg. taking crosses isn't the only skill required to be a top goalkeeper. what about stopping shots, distribution, reflex, movement, agility, etc?

My guy, I pay premium subscription just because of EPL. In those days of Hi TV, I paid full subscription for both DSTV and Hi TV just to watch United and other teams in EPL and UCL. So I know everything.

coogar: •chicharito has more goal/minute ratio than RVP...
• de gea is the best goalkeeper, without him, we would be 4th or 5th
• hart, cech and cesar have regressed badly from last season.
• cech stopped being a top goalkeeper when he started wearing his helmet
• ronaldo defended set plays in his time at old trafford - everyone defends!


• de gea is great now and he would be greater in future!

In which matches did Chicharito score those goals. The weak matches. Welbeck despite not scoring does better than Chicharito in big matches. Berbertov used to score lots of goals and even hatricks. But when you review his goals well, you will discovered he gets them against small teams. In big games he never coped well. Rooney has just few goals, but he delivered in big matches, like against City.

If not for poor outing of De Gea, United would be almost 20 points clear with the way our strikers have been scoring freely. United has conceded more than City, yet people said Hart is poor. Hart is poor when compared to Hart, but he is a superb when compared to De Gea.

In all honesty, I can't recall when last I saw De Gea move to clear a conner kick away. It is always United players battling to head them away, the few that opponents headed to the goal, itt was as though De Gea didn't even see them till they hit the net or Rafael/RVP/Evra had to clear from goal line. He has some years more to get used the way balls fly like rockets in EPL.

On the other hand, Cecz, Hart, Cesar and Newcastle guys make this crosses and aerial balls look easy. Van Dan Sar used to pick 3/4 of such balls before the got to strikers. In Chelsea vs QPR and City vs QPR, Cesar picked almost all the crosses irrespective of the distance from his positioning. Chelsea must have had at least 20 corners that day.

I have been a staunch United fan since early '90s. I am not being sentimental here. I watch lots of EPL matches. Cesar may have made one or two mistakes which you guys would want to point out, but his overall play is miles ahead other EPL keepers. There is a way a keeper command his area that defenders don't struggle to block every thing going to the goal. He commands his environment well.

Hart has conceded the least goals this season, how can we say he is not the best or amongst the best? Hart, Cecz, Cesar, the Newcastle keeper too make the 18 area comfortable for their defenders. Let's forget a one or two mistakes (even Casilas make such at times), but when you look at their overall game reading, positioning, firm holding of shots, authority of crosses and aerial balls, strong punches away, you will know De Gea is far behind. There have been shots or placing which have beaten De Gea that these keepers will make to look the strikers were clueless with their strikes.

Somebody said Ronaldo used to defend. Ronaldo wasn't made to stand in goal line, he defended in United just they way he drops back in Madrid. Any clearance then will fall into Rooney, JS Park, Giggs, Nani, Tevez or Berbatov. But now no one stays outside the box 'cos everyone had to protect De Gea.

In the first half of the season, De Gea and Lindigard made grave mistakes virtually every game they kept for United. Most of them led to United conceding cheap goals. There are lots of balls De Gea points dangerously down that I know many EPL keepers will make such look easy to catch.

He will be great for the future, but as of now. Mba!

Till RVP arrived, some thought Chichirito was the best striker, butt RVP came and showed that a striker doesn't need an obvious chance to score. See his experience with composure finishing. That is the difference that will be if United get an experienced good goalkeeper.

I have been a staunch United fan since early '90s. I am not being sentimental here. I watch lots of EPL matches. Cesar may have made one or two mistakes which you guys would want to point out, but his overall play is miles ahead other EPL keepers. There is a way a keeper command his area that defenders don't struggle to block every thing going to the goal. He commands his environment well.

Hart has conceded the least goals this season, how can we say he is not the best or amongst the best? Hart, Cecz, Cesar, the Newcastle keeper too make the 18 area comfortable for their defenders. Let's forget a one or two mistakes (even Casilas make such at times), but when you look at their overall game reading, positioning, firm holding of shots, authority of crosses and aerial balls, strong punches away, you will know De Gea is far behind. There have been shots or placing which have beaten De Gea that these keepers will make to look the strikers were clueless with their strikes.

Somebody said Ronaldo used to defend. Ronaldo wasn't made to stand in goal line, he defended in United just they way he drops back in Madrid. Any clearance then will fall into Rooney, JS Park, Giggs, Nani, Tevez or Berbatov. But now no one stays outside the box 'cos everyone had to protect De Gea.

In the first half of the season, De Gea and Lindigard made grave mistakes virtually every game they kept for United. Most of them led to United conceding cheap goals. There are lots of balls De Gea points dangerously down that I know many EPL keepers will make such look easy to catch.

He will be great for the future, but as of now. Mba!

Till RVP arrived, some thought Chichirito was the best striker, butt RVP came and showed that a striker doesn't need an obvious chance to score. See his experience with composure finishing. That is the difference that will be if United get an experienced good goalkeeper.

montelik: Cech, Cesar, Begovic I can understand being mentioned, but anyone still including Hart is just going by recognition and popular opinion. even city fans have pointed out he has played poorly this season.

For statistics sake, Hart has conceded the least goals this season. Check the EPL table.

I think Julio Ceasar, Cecz and Hart are far better than De Gea. They cause less panic to their defenders. There also this guy at Newcastle and a certain man at Totteham. Though the Totteham man is old now and as a result not so great this season.

De Gea is a keeper for the future. But United is a big club, we should always have an experienced keeper. We had to get Van Dan Sar at his old age from Fulham at a time everyone thought he was past his prime. Once he got to a big club, he experienced counted so much. If QPR survived relegation, they owe it to Julio Ceasar and Harry Redknap. Ceasar does the work of defenders and a goalkeeper. They way he picks set pieces in the air before they drop is akin to the way Enyeama made them look simple in the nations cup. He his defence work less while rendering strikers redundant because he moves far to take balls in flight. He alone got result against City and frustrate Chelsea until Phillip went forward to score. Unlike Ceasar, it is panic when De Gea faces aerial balls with strikers in our box.

Don't you guys see how everyone pack full the 18 box whenever we concede set pieces. You see three payers inside the goal. United used to hardly concede from corner kicks, even when Kucsacks was in goal. Now, when every gets to protect De Gea, the cleared ball into play falls straight to opponents, and the pressure immediately returns. Without the heavy protection De Gea would concedes so much from set pieces as we saw all through last year.

Now, RVP, Rooney, Young, Welbeck, Valencia had to be in the box because Evra, Rafael, Carrick had to protect the spaces on sides inner goal post. How many times have there being goal line clearance where De Gea didn't even see the balls.

We all know he has potentials, but he is costing us now but causing so much panic when crosses fly into our 18 yard box.

My sincere opinion.

Ferguson still holds his amazing record in 39 years as a manager he has never lost after being 2 goals up.

chrisley024: Pls dont use your personal hatred against DDG dat got replay 4 us. Until our mid issue is resolved, if SAF like let him get d whole strikers in Europe. After sum1 will tell me Cleverly is good enof 4 MU. A mid dat is even afraid 2 move forward. SAF should pls line up a 3 man mid during d replay.

I don't hate De Gea. It was my honest opinion.

I think Cleverly has done well this season. The major problem today was the tip tap pattern they played throughout the game. My criticm is mostly on Valencia. Evra should mark wide and not joining 5 and 6 in the 18 every time. His side is too porous whenever we play a bid team. He is Nasri customer. If only we had an option in Flectcher for our midfield.

Ferdinand likes playing deep, if only Jones and Smalling have the experience. Those guys move their defence line forward whenever they pair, it enables the midfielders to work less and less worry for the keeper. I enjoyed their pairing against Fulham in FA cup second leg, De Gea was on holiday, the ball was always in Fulham's half. Cleverly and Anderson also added to the mobility and pacing play that day. High time we move away from sluggish play at the back.

chrisley024: @A-40, We r done wit dat (infact u've won) so u can now move over 2 ur club's thread.

Agreed. I wonder why I keep replying him sef.

[quote author=A-40]Was Vidic the tackler or did he get tackled? Do you not understand that Nani after a dangerous challenge tried to deceive the ref by play-acting? These are both bookable offenses and a red card is not out of place at least Roy Keane agrees with me


How am I derailing the thread? Aren't my arguments football related or am I talking about Coco's booty?[/quote]You still getting it wrong, Nani did not tackle, he didn't even see when Arbeloa arrived as he try to control (not tackle) the ball. Arbeloa ran into him and Nani took a fall he didn't expect. That can hurt. If you watch fighting sports, as in wrestling, boxing, kick boxing, takwaedo, fighters get knocked out with unexpected hit they survived when they are alert. You see fighters survive heavy hits when attentive, but unable to survive small hits while distracted. What am I saying, the shock of an unexpected sudden collusion was enough to take Nani some time to recover from.

[quote author=A-40]Was Vidic the tackler or did he get tackled? Do you not understand that Nani after a dangerous challenge tried to deceive the ref by play-acting? These are both bookable offenses and a red card is not out of place at least Roy Keane agrees with me


How am I derailing the thread? Aren't my arguments football related or am I talking about Coco's booty?[/quote]You still getting it wrong, Nani did not tackle, he didn't even see when Arbeloa arrived as he try to control (not tackle) the ball. Arbeloa ran into him and Nani took a fall he didn't expect. That can hurt.

montelik: The guy who ensured we didn't get the lose we deserved.

I am a fan of De Gea. I always wished he did well, but he is yet too mature and it cost Man United in so many ways. People see the saves he makes but do not see his common error. De Gea will be world best in the future, but what about now? He is one of the reasons we drew or lost some matches last season. This season too he has made some common mistakes. Whenever I watch lot of unimaginable saves from QPR Julio Ceasar, I begin to ask if it was not better to buy an experienced keeper who could read the game well just as we got Van Der Sar at old age.

FA cup against Fulham, two cheap headers beat him, it was RVP that rescued that day. Against Totteham, he had a weak punch on the ball and Tottehan capitalised. Whenever United concedes corner or set pieces, everyone gets into the 18 to protect De Gea, you see Rafael, RVP, Evra clear from the goal line while De Gea watch helplessly. No one left in play to take the clearance, and the pressure continues.

Only one thing SAF can boast of:

Ferguson still holds his amazing record in 39 years as a manager he has never lost after being 2 goals up.

[quote author=A-40]@elampiro
Nice job with the links you do know your stuff but Nani deserved the red

Thank God no one got sent off this time I'm sure elampiro and ddippset woulda quoted the old testament on my black a$$


This is the issue! And this is what I've been stressing since day one!! Its bad enough that he made a reckless challenge but he also went on to feign injury trying to make the ref look stupid! He would not try that next time[/quote]You really are unrepentant. After reading more than one page of analysis by expert all stating it was never close to a red, you still are saying it's red. Again in all the lengthy several comments by Xavi Alonso, Mourinho, referees , etc, you went and carved out the little paragraph above. Is it not normal for players who fell down from tackles to stay on the ground for a while to recover? Even Vidic who got two fist punch to his nose recovered without injury after a while, though his face was red. How does this part form a reason for judging the tackle?

Please stop derailing the purpose of this trend jor.

Is SAF still a tactician or a spectator? I didn't understand the tip tap football I saw today. Let's leave that to Barca and Brazil. Lots of risky play at the back and midfield. Valencia was a big flop today. Mikel and Hazard came in, United could not have possession, kept making mistakes, yet SAF felt all was well. He should have opened the play at 2-0 and followed up with changes when Hazard came in. an attacking play should have pushed Chelsea backwards.

United should ensure to win the League, else it will be disastrous.


SAF should ensure Nani is retained. I also feel Valencia still has stuff in him despite his poor form.

Ibime: Same as we saw at The Bridge, MaZaCar buzzing around behind the striker is difficult for Utd midfield to pick up.

Carrick will always be a questionable DM in ma eyes although some dudes love blaming Giggs who at the age of 40 has more energy and mobility than a younger Carrick who is always late to everything. . . like Modrics shot on Wednesday.

Evra, Carrick and Degea are our weakness. And now Valencia.

Rooney appeared to lack the inspiration or motivation today.

Respect to Rafael Da Silva

chrisley024: Sell Nani! sell Nani!. Now u tell me who should leave? I must say it again; our midfield is not ok. A mid dat cant absorb pressure, n dat reminds me, i didnt see Rooney 2day!

Nani can do a lot. He uses both feet, he shoots accurately, he can run, he can make short dribbling, he can head too. He can play against tightly packed defence, a deep seated defence, a defence move far from the goalkeeper and a loose defence. That makes it hard to totally cage Nani. He is even improving in his crosses and pull outs.

Valencia is a master of out pacing a loose defence and a defence played far from the goal keeper. He tries to get behind them. Other than this, he is easily caged.