₦airaland Forum

olerone:
This is the hypocrisy in the church, if he is guity of sleeping with her(fornicating or adultery depending on whether he was married then), its enough reason for his church members to tell him to step down, if they believe in holiness on the pulpit, but rather they are supporting him, his biodun the only yooung pastor in Nigeria,and why is it sex scandal that trails him.

Religion as made many people to be short sighted in their thinking.

well, all am saying is,
if it's a sex scandal stuff, let her come out clean with her story just like Ese Williams (i believe her story more than the recent one from Busola)
then his Church members can take any action they think suits them,
but if it's rape, then sue him to court and provide enough evidence, people seem to be abusing that word RAPE, using it when it's not necessary,

let them stop distracting us from the main issue at hand (RUGA).

sisipelebe:
There are two sides of a story, for sure he had sex with her, but didn't mention he raped her. I know the man had history with different kind of women. I know of course lady would want to throw themselves at him. But, Dakolo's wife was just 16 and naive then. This pastor can do anything to manipulate that teenager, whether rape or no rape. I remembered when I was around 15-17 trying to pass jamb and get addimited into university, ( guys in their mid to late 20's)would come around then and promise me heaven and earth, that they know one person in the faculty that knows one person. If not for the orientation I got from my dad I would have fallen prey. They would have succeeded in brainwashing me.

i agree with your point too,
but my question is,

will you term it RAPE??

For sure i believe there is a hidden affair between him and Busola, and he might be guilty of sleeping with her (which is morally wrong)
but then, i won't term it rape,
even from her own side of the story, it doesn't look like rape, it's more of seduction and manipulation,
I believe she called it Rape cuz like a woman that she is, she'll like to play the victim card just to gain public sympathy. But that is wrong too, cuz you are indirectly calling him a criminal (without proof).

HeyCorleone:
How many people have accused Neymar and Ronaldo of rape?

How many people have accused Fatoyinbo?

The pastor even agreed that Truth is established in the mouth of 2-3 witnesses.

You see what am saying,
you are too rushy,

who else accused him of Rape
Only one, BUSOLA and she's yet to atleast, file it in a law court.
If you guys know what that word RAPE is, u won't just jump out and call someone a rapist.
Yes, others accused him of consensual sex and all that,
ofcourse most people are guilty of that, and am not doubting the fact that maybe he had an affair with her then, it's very possible, all am saying is that, if anything ever happened at all, from the story she told, i won't term it Rape.
what am against is wrongfully calling someone a rapist just to pull attention, gain public sympathy and maybe end his career.

If he really raped you, file a case against him and present enough evidence to nail him, fullstop.

HeyCorleone:
So you are judging the message based on the messenger? Lol. Very infantile thing to do.
What can we say about Paul who persecuted Christians? Didn't he have a change of heart?

So because you think someone is morally bankrupt, it should stop them from telling the truth? And people wonder why it took the woman so long to come out. If she had come out, you would have also accused her of being morally bankrupt without taking into light the facts of the matter.


You are a compound fool. Stay off my mentions.

how are you sure she said the truth?

You see, i just found out that Nigerians are just very gullible,
not like am defending the man,
but atleast, keep calm let's hear from the second party before you conclude,
you all now rushing to side Busola cuz of her pathetic story.
I know women,
they can do anything,
they are lions moving around looking for who to devour,
same allegation was made against neymar, Ronaldo and even Saleiman,
we all saw how it ended.
Let her sue him to court just like others did,
until then, i won't believe her story (which appears to have plenty loopholes).

ArmaniUhuru:
I’ve watched the Busola video over and over, but i still do not believe her. There’re somethings she's not saying.

exactly my thoughts

laudate:
Oh, remind me where she gave her express permission or consent, to having sex with the man, because I cannot see it.

Some of you are so bent on defending wrong doing and vice, that even if virtue came and knocked on your door, you will not open it.

Even a psychologist has clarified how the human body reacts in such a situation, yet you are still arguing because you want to justify the man's disgusting actions. Na wah o!

well,
suite your self

laudate:
Were you inside her mind, to know what her mind was thinking at that point?? Or are you in charge of her reflexes to know if it would work in that situation?

It is NOT seduction, because she did NOT give her consent, before he had sexual contact with her. Why do you find that so difficult to understand?? Once a woman witholds her consent to sex, and the man still goes ahead, it becomes rape. Let him try this abroad, and see if he would not be accused of rape.

remind me where she said she withheld her consent,
cuz i didn't see any,
he only pushed her to the couch and had his way,
and she was too shocked in her own house to even struggle,
what a lie,
simply tell the world you both had a sexual affair and we will understand that you were young with rushing hormones that a single touch made you loose it.

Not telling us that u were rapped,
simply to gain public sympathy.
What a society.

laudate:
Oga, try to call a spade, a spade. Unless you have witnessed a rape before, you cannot say all rape victims will fight back in the heat of the moment. Human beings react differently. So please stop defending the indefensible.

Even a psychologist has confirmed that not everybody will be in a state of mind to fight back. And yes, a person can be raped under their own roof. Haven't you heard of girls being raped in their own family house, by male relatives before?

ofcourse not everybody,
depending on the condition,
if your brain knows quite alright that Nothing will save you from the situation (e.g, rape at gun point) you won't make a move at all, your reflex will fail you.
But when your mind is very sure that you can escape (in your own house oo) you have the might,
your reflex will work perfectly well then, don't deny this fact please.

I have nothing else to say to you,
but i urge u to try and read her story again with you right frame of mind and not with your emotions leading the way.

You'll understand it's SEDUCTION and not RAPE.
Thanks

laudate:
Didn't she say she was in shock? Couldnt this have caused her temporary paralysis or inability to defend herself? All this your grammar just because you want to defend a man, who has refused to defend himself? If the same thing happened to your younger sister or wife, would you be here giving this same fake excuses?

Listen to the psychologist again.



Did the lady do any of these? Yes....she was passive.

Well i see my effort to EDUCATE you on the difference between rape and seduction is like pouring water on a hen.
Like ave always said, am against the man, what he did is morally wrong.
But then he didn't RAPE her, just understand the difference,
he pushed her on the couch and played some games on her that she couldn't resist, then had his way, this is simply SEDUCTION (persuading someone to have sex with you)

If he threatened her or resorted to using violence, or maybe she even asked or begged him to stop,
or even tried to struggle, or even asked him why his doing this, or even try to run,
remember it's in her own house? Psychologically she has the upper hand to defend her self,
you can't tell me she was so shocked that she couldn't do a thing in her own father's house??
Common, that's too lame,

since she said he came in and made her feel weak that she just let him have his way without resistance, then it's simply SEDUCTION.

laudate:
You are the one that should use your brain. Did she say at any point, that she invited him to come and sleep with her inside her house, or anywhere? Did she give him express permission to do so? Let us hope the next post below, will answer your questions.

"some will paralyze, faint, cry, or fight back"

so which of these did she do??

See ennn,
am not saying what the pastor did was right,
but like she reported in her story,
the pastor didn't apply force or threat or even violence, and she still froze??
he simply had his way, quietly.
Who does that?
Unless she was born without reflex arc (which is not possible)


if she said the man pointed a gun at her or threatened her not to shout or speak or even hushed her and she froze,
that will be alot more easier to believe.
But the man only said "be happy a man of God is doing this to you" and she froze?
Lol,
i know we humans got emotions but, i won't let my emotions judge a case for me.

Nigerians and Stupidity are like 5 and 6,

protesting over a mere allegation??
With no prove whatsoever?
Is this how jobless we are??
If i be dat man, i go just arrest all of dem, sue them to court, make my money and damn the consequences,
i know they are all doing this to taint the man's image,
he might not want to go to court cuz that wud destroy his image the more as it's going to reveal that he has been sleeping around as a pastor (not Rape though).

laudate:
Oga, even legal ruling by courts in many countries, have stated that once a woman says No, or witholds consent for any reason to the sexual act, it is rape.

The force used can be physical or emotional (threat, intimidation, pressure, coercion). Go back to the dictionary and check the meaning of "force ."

she still didn't mention how he threatened her,
or did she?

There was no threat, violence or force,
why do you den term rape?

May i remind you that the word "SEDUCTION" means luring someone until he/she gives u his/her consent, which can be verbally, quietly, emotionally or physically (by playing along)

this is the only reasonable thing one can picture from that story,
it's a case of seduction not Rape,


if it's rape, then she should go ahead and sue him, that's how it's done in civilised countries.
For the fact she's yet to do so,
then i see no reason why you shud term the man a criminal.

Ofcourse having sex is not a criminal offence

laudate:
Oga, having sex with a woman who does NOT give her consent, is rape. It doesn't matter if she came to knock on your door. Once she has not invited you or given you permission to sleep with her in clear terms....it is rape. QED.

even the subsequent ones? I will only term that seduction, he seduced her and had his way.
my dictionary defined rape with "Forcefully/with violence" boldly written as the main words,
i didn't spot any in her story,
maybe you've started producing your own dictionary sha,
who knows?

laudate:
You have a problem. Busola accused him of rape. Yet, the Pastor could not clear his name. He did not deny knowing her. He did not deny that he slept with her, or forcefully coerced and intimidated her into having sex with him.

So why are you holding brief for him, or defending a man who has not provided any defence for himself? Can you just listen to yourself?

When a woman does NOT consent to sex, it is rape. It doesn't matter if there is a struggle or not.

Another thing you need to do, is to talk to psychologists. Some women get frozen in shock or paralysed with fear in such situations like rape, that they cannot fight back or struggle.

Am not defending him,
Like i said, he is morally wrong.
But then, am only trying to clear that word RAPE, most Nigerians don't know how to use it.

Ofcourse he might not come out to defend himself in terms of the rape allegation cuz that can only be done by accepting the fact that he did have an affair with her (i agree he really had an affair with her), but did not rape her.

This alone will end the man's career, he will loose alot.

Talk of being frozen and all that,
that's a lie from the pit of hell,
naturally, females hate being raped and will do anything in their power to escape when trapped, especially a virgin. Unless he did it at gun point (which she didn't mention).
She didn't even make mention of begging him or something like that,
like she said, she just froze and allowed him quietly? In her own house?
Oh man, use your brain na.

laudate:
So now you are in her mind, to know she is hiding so many things? Were you there when it happened, that you are now jumping to this strange conclusion?

were you also there?
Jumping in and believing the emotional and "not so true" story,
ofcourse, the pastor is wrong "MORALLY", no doubt, but
from what i read there,
busola only told a cut and join story, and as it is, the pastor can't defend himself cuz that will mean he has agreed he had an affair with her (which mostlikely is not rape)
so many things are missing,
the story is like a puzzle, which needs understanding (and not emotions) to arrange,
and after arranging it, you'll only find out it's not Rape, there was no force, no struggles, age is 17 and you still call it rape??
Man, you need to re-visit your dictionary.

Benekruku:
Dont you have Google on your phone? Need to do that for you again so you say am telling you lies?

Damn! You hurting my peniss

Lol, well,
seems you just want to exchange words,
i don't have time for that,
if you read her story with understanding (and not emotions)
you'll find the loopholes there and will know for sure that it's not Rape,
not even related to Rape and far from statutory too.

Benekruku:




You know "NOTHING" about rape.

Say something else like sports. You have no idea about whats been discussed here.

Ok,
Mr professor in rape studies,
define rape please?

Mk12:
if it is not rape then the pastor did nothing wrong. that is why I said we should all wait for the facts and not rush into judgement

the only wrong he did is being immoral,
as a pastor, he should be living by example and not the other way round.

Mk12:
i didn't see anywhere that she said it was consensual.
she said he raped her and told her to be happy because it is a man of God that took away her virginity.
the 11yrs age of consent in Nigeria is not as clear as it seems to be

oh, you expect her to agree with you it's consensual?
It won't have weight and pips will most likely not believe her.
But because she tagged it RAPE, everyone will want to sympathize.
The first one might have taken her on awares (but still not rape)
but the other ones are pure consensual sex, let us not judge with our emotions please.
But then, the pastor is very wrong, am just trying to clear that word RAPE, Nigerians still don't understand the meaning.

Mk12:
Dakolo and his wife said she was raped at 17 by the pastor so I don't know what you are talking about .

and about his ministry, nothing will happen. he survived same allegation from a certain Ese few years back . Sulieman survive a worst allegation with photo evidence from otobo .
most people going to church are not because they believe the pastor will lead them to God but because of the miracles and other things they can get now

oh man,
didn't u read the story?
From what i read,
i won't call that rape,
he simply lured her until he had her trust, and den had sex with her.
You won't even call it statutory cuz age of consent in Nigeria is 11 years old, she was 17 then, so she ain't a kid.

All i see is a couple trying to revenge.

Mk12:
I don't like this media trial.
not saying he is innocent but all we have now is their words against his words. no real evidence.
they should take him to court for rape so we can get all the evidence we need

they won't,
they can't, cuz they don't have evidence, it's not rape.....

But they know for sure that the man of God won't sue them for defamation, cuz that would only mean exposing/agreeing that he really had sexual encounters with many and not only busola, but it wasn't rape.
And if this should happen, the man is going to loose alot even after winning the case,
his going to loose his church,
friends,
and even marriage.

So Dakolo and his wife already planned this out and have an upper hand in the matter, out to put an end to the man's ministry and ofcourse, fuckery.

better, but seriously from her story, i just see 2 pips having a sexual relationship, it's not even statutory rape cuz age of consent in Nigeria is 11years old. http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/countries-by-age-of-consent/
so i don't see how this is rape.....
But this guys have to be holding their pastors oo, see how the man is just jumping from one she to another, no self control, a self acclaimed pastor for that matter, him no even get class sef (just dey follow anything under skirt).

If you ask me,
from the story i read (about Busola and the pastor)
all i see is a sexual relationship and nothing like rape........
If it's proper rape,
one thing am sure is, a rape victim can't survive seeing the rapist every Sunday,
he rapped u and u still attend his church?
The rape story don't even add up,
if it really happened, den she actually enjoyed it (cuz she didn't struggle, or cry)


but if una talk say na statutory rape,
lol,
that means 90% of Nigerian girls are rape victims and most Nigerian guys are rapists,
cuz 17 years old girls dis days can only be compared to a 26 years old guy

Godfullsam:
Those of you yarning rubbish, read the story very well . The kidnapped victims were traveling from Ado -Ekiti to Onisha.

Guess the tribe that was kidnapped.

sometimes i wonder if some folks read what they've typed before clicking submit,
just listen to your self,
are you considering the tribe that was kidnapped?
Or are you considering where the crime took place?
The main thing is, yorubaland is surrounded already, and the best you can do for yourself is to find a better solution,
not to start being tribalistic.
SMH!

stefanbanach:
The infiltration of Islam into Yoruba land is the worst thing that happened to Yoruba nation.

My Igbo brothers, please let us be wise and mature. This is not the time to laugh or mock any tribe. The Fulani's are not just coming for the Yoruba's. They're coming for the whole of southern Nigeria. If the south cannot come together to resist the invasion, let us mind our business without mocking other tribes in this trying times.

Ofcourse I'll so much want us to unite back and resist this jihadists,
but my question is,
how are we sure we won't be betrayed again?? Just like in the 60s

Patrioticman007:
What's the name of drunken Master tribe ?. For its a fact it was only one tribe that benefited from Amnesty on Nigerdelta militant. Why is it a crime if only Fulani cattle men benefited ?. We are talking of solution to a problem not adding fuel to it. If Ruga will end killings, let's have & support it .

in simple words, let's explain things to you.


Firstly, those Fulanis you see, ain't the owners of the cows,
they are employees to top government officials, including your beloved PMB.
So in essence, Bahari wants to establish cattle ranch for himself and his cabals in disguise of helping the nation.

And if you don't know yet, they are the ones sponsoring these killings, just to achieve their selfish aim

Iyajelili:
You (Nigerians?) Don't know what you have until you lose it.
Please be patient for another 4years

yea,
we really don't,
cuz that was how we lost yaradua to death,
lost GEJ to miscalculations,
only to end up with badluck personified,
stuck with this mallam that crashed our economy in the 80s and still doing the same now,


ofcourse we all will wait patiently for the death of this scam called a country.

post=79695456:
We believe in our darling President Muhammadu Buhari, a man after God's heart to always make the best decision for our darling nation to move forward.

May God Almighty continue to give you more wisdom. knowledge and understanding as you move our nation forward.

But on a more serious note,
where did your sense travel to??

Subsidy?? Did you just say subsidy?
I know it's a good idea but, that won't help Nigerians.

If you are seeking for a way to optimize government expenses,
make it simple,

slash the salaries of Government officials,
if you can make it a maximum salary of 1-5 million naira a month for any government office at all, that will go a long way in stabilizing the economy.

How can 1 person collect a whopping 25 million naira a month?? Plus allowances,
and you still feel it's alright??
Asking to remove the only thing that puts smiles on the faces of the poor majority.

OUR LEADERS ARE JUST WICKED.

To Mr president,
if you should remove subsidy partially/totally,
i ask you to reduce the monthly salary for government officials too (senators, governors and president too), if it affects us, it shud also affect you, and them..

When i say this government is the worst, some pips won't believe me,
security has been the minimum ever recorded in the past 8 years
vedaxcool and tundeeenu, i guess you have to read this too-

https://www.ozy.com/fast-forward/this-nigerian-conflict-is-proving-deadlier-than-boko-haram/94040
also, 20,000 deaths recorded by US body, between 2015 and 2018.

https://allafrica.com/stories/201807020026.html
atleast 200,000 persons displaced in the north, only in 2018 and 300,000 in the middlebelt, same year
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/nigeria
so tell me, what is Buhari doing? Since he has proved to be a total failure in protection of lives and property?
Not to take of hardship and recession? Brought upon us by just one man.
Badluck personified

Mylove55:
But only idiotic pigs are wailing, the free corruption money has cease, the money that was budget for infrastructure were be use for importation.which depleted foreign reserve that spur the value of naira. The idiotic pigs only voted for corruption,

lol,
hmm,
from your comments, i can only deduce that your head is paining you,
the truth is,
you are the one wailing out of jealousy and bitterness that has been passed from your ancestors down to you.
But am telling you today, be the change in your lineage, they don't deserve to be bitter like you. Ok?

You are still dodging my question,
i made it clear to you that for the past 16 years and also in recent times, we the good people of Igbo have never and will never depend on Government, we only vote someone we perceive has the best interest of the people, and that was why we voted against PMB, cuz we know his badluuck won't take us anywhere, though he won at last, but atleast, we have a clear and free conscience, if this country dies tomorrow, we will be bold to say we have no hand in her death.

Mylove55:
the question should be, what has idiotic pigs gain from pdp since they have be voting for the dead pdp, pdp wil ruin ndigbo politically, they wil remain like that until they bury the dead pdp from their region

and for your info,
we didn't loose out totally,
the previous government made sure enough money was in circulation. They made sure the economy was stable, the made sure Naira value was stable at 190 per dollar,
thereby favouring our business across the country, bringing more customers, and making import easy and cheaper.
But since the dullard assumed power,
business has been tough,
he automatically killed everything, nothing is working at all.
But thankgod, it's affecting everyone, both you and me,
so that still makes us better than you.