₦airaland Forum

delpee:
It's likely to get to Ogun state but maybe not Ondo state. It seems another phase will take off from Edo -Delta- Bayelsa soon from what Engr Umahi said. Work is ongoing in parts of Akwa Ibom and Cross River States.

,I"t's likely to get to Ogun state but maybe not Ondo state."


Construction has reached both states ! The problem with most humans is they fail to change their believe or opinion even with overwhelming information disproving it. There are many youtube videos following the construction.

This video is 4 months ago in Ondo and Ogun state.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=930nDFKEyo0

Sheuns:
The Chinese should be restricted to factory establishments only in Nigeria.

You can’t just allow them come to start doing retails and clearing out competitors that don’t have as deep pockets as them.

Na so una do take kill SMEs all in the name of looking for Foreign investments.

To those of you saying it’s good because it affects a tribe. All I’ll tell you is don’t worry. No Nigerian retailer or wholesaler can compete with the Chinese if this isn’t stopped. Even those of you that sell voile lace, Ankara, and other native fabrics won’t survive this. There’s nothing sold here in Nigeria that’s not coming in from China. They will out sell every one of you and put you out of business.

Shey they’re already marketing and selling Chinese made cars directly here? E go touch everybody round.

Are those retailers selling Made in Nigeria goods, why should there be protectionism on imported goods from likely the same China. I may support protectionism on Made in Nigeria goods, not imported merchandise, the cheapest price wins irrespective of where seller comes from.

WENGERNOMICS:
You have seen proof now and you are still arguing. That was live television. What incentive does the PDP agent have to go on live TV and help LP? Your mind has still not accepted that LP comprehensively floored Tinubu on his home turf. When you accept that even the "official results " said LP won, then we can have a conversation. You need to take off your APC tainted glasses. Na all of us dey buy fuel at 1300. The peanuts they give you as keyboard warrior fit no buy cement very soon ohhhh.

Ok, vote for the one that promised you 1 litre of "fuel" will be 200 naira !....lol Many so called Educated Nigerians with poverty mentality think like kids that a kidnapper can use candy to distract. Subsidy is over, let Nigeria breath, it is in the best interest of Nigerians in the long run. Raise your game !. You have a man resetting the country, you want a phoney one to take over. Subsidy is over, let Nigeria breath, it is in the best interest of Nigerians in the long run. Poverty mentality keeps most stuck with now,now; so i sense your pain.


A sensible person should know 900,000 votes to 150,000 will imply about 90-95% of polling booths were won by LP. Was that the case in over 14,000 polling booths in Lagos. But, if you don't have it, you simply don't.

Bluffly:
Not all concession are for profit making. Since it was concessioned to old boys, it is okay because old boys wants to preserves the glory of their Alma Mater and take it higher. Workers going on strike is because of their chua chua ways

Those workers are afraid it will no longer be business as usual for the most part. Nigerians want so much change, but do not want to change their lackaisidal attitude.

Unigrad:
One of the effects of this is increase in school fees and charges. The quality might drop. Such concessions in the past have never been in favour of the masses.

I dont know of any instance with a quality drop. One may argue increase in school fees/charges, but Kings college have produced well distinguished graduates that may choose to subsidised the school fees. I doubt the school population is more than 4,000. The old students can adopt indigent kids that are brilliant

gammarays:
You don't know them again
Osun state was the sign we looked for and it'll repeat itself in the general elections.

They'll think they've secured everything with their power, money, rigging and whatever till it happens.
Allow them glory in their arrogance now

Again ! Sigh! Osun state is a local election ! you are making quite wrong conclusions from that election. The governor wanted to decamp to APC, he is relatively popular in the state and very strong in his town and he pledged support to Tinubu before the election. The presidency may have wanted to win, but it was not a do or die election for the "presidency". But, you can believe what you want though,, it is just 4 months away. Every political analyst noteworthy gave it a close call in Osun state, with some tilting it towards the governor. Violence and vote buying was not one way in that election and it was close.

The "presidency" handed off and left the state APC actors to do their thing. To explain it to you, you know how in football group stages of 4 teams and 3 games, you have won the 2 games and qualified for the next round, the last game will decide the winner of the group, but only 2 will qualify; you want to win it to be best placed, but you can afford to lose it since you already qualified., you then field a mix of top stars and second team hoping they do the magic. If they don't you only lost a battle , you can still win the war. This is the incumbent president we are talking about here !

WENGERNOMICS:
If I had time I could have found the video for you on youtube. It was an ARISE TV News program special edition on the elections. It was not 900K verbatim........."around that figure" and also it was not 150k on the dot but around that. Yes I was in Lagos and I was watching that program live when the PDP agent came to the studio and made the statement reading from his own party collation sheet.: https://www.theoctopusnews.com/2023-election-pdp-chieftain-alleges-results-manipulation-in-lagos/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLj3QPsxA-U

I know the PDP agent said that, what is funny is you believe what the PDP agent said ? The Mind has a way forcing one to believe and perceive what it wants to believe. You need to add deduction and discernment to your strength and take it off your weakness list. The pdp agent was only interested in causing ruckus and gave false testimony. 900,000 to 150,000 votes will be so glaring across all 20 lgas and 57 local council areas. No one should believe that if they were at least in Lagos during the presidential poll. The Rivers presidential poll rigged for APC is believable, and i believe that was a verifiable and validated one.

WENGERNOMICS:
Lemme help you reframe your question: Which Northern States will Obi/Kwankwanso get if INEC and Tinubu are somehow convinced against vote manipulation and changing figures? He will get it from at least 15 northern states and 19 southern states. But we know Tinubu and INEC will not allow that. On election day 2023, a PDP chief agent in Lagos state reported that Labour party had over 900,000 votes in Lagos and APC had about 150,000 votes. But when the results were read, it was Labour 600,000 and APC 550,000. So we already know what will happen in 2027 . APC will rig and there is nothing anybody can do about it

hahaha, very funny, you believe a PDP agent story producing a fabricated figure. The mind is a wonderful thing !

900,000 votes versus 150,000 votes? really? you believe that? were you in lagos during the presidential polls?

erad:
Are people not suffering more under democracy? What exactly have we benefitted from democracy. Duplicity of positions and numerous people embezzling 'legally' at all levels. Do you think this whole banditry thing would be an issue under military rule?

While democracy has its advantages, it's not a system to force on a country. It's a system a country grows into and builds from the ground up according to the peculiarities of that country. If Nigeria had grown into our democracy, we definitely would be practicing regional government and not federalism like we have at the moment. Every region has its unique problems that needs to be tackled uniquely.

More often than not, it is worse under military. There are very few military success globally. In truth, a benevolent and smart dictator will get a lot done faster in a short time and may even fix security issues faster and better, but no guarantees. I have been monitorin the B/Faso fellow beyond propaganda , he seems to be getting a lot done better in terms of economy and infrastructure, but not necessarily in security. The other military crooks in Niger, Mali and Guinea are running the countries worse off than they met it.

Traore must have an exit plan, lest he becomes a nuisance after a while too, but he is doing better than the fellow he took power from, and the propaganda is way too much than reality, especially when you consider security is not any better than he met it.

Johnrake69:
BBC media propaganda war against Captain Ibrahim Traore is so clear.

I will like to see BBC coverage of the killings happening in Nigeria.

who ever reported that over 600,000 were killed due to insecurity in 1 year is not okay in the head.

And so? It is not necessarily a success if a state does not borrow, in actual fact, it may signify not enough leveraging for productivity. How can states with dearth of infrastructure for the most part state say they are not borrowing. The real question is borrowing to do what? Is it for productive asset? Is the revenue generated from within growing apart from Abuja's feeding milk ?.

Okechinwadike:
Lolz, see person wey de follow me the argue? For saying China is an oil producing country oga i don't think you reach to argue with. Good day

China produces at least 3 times what Nigeria produces daily. Not all oil producing countries are part of OPEC. China is producing close to 5 million barrels per day compared to Nigeria's 1.5 million barrels per day.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/chinas-record-oil-output-reaches-limits-whats-possible-2026-03-20/

Cheap talk, you had 8 years as governor. Where was the revenue spinner you created in your state?

Lanruze:
If PBAT is really 74, then it means he aged very fast.

He looks older than Olusegun Osoba and if Prof. Wole Soyinka decides to dye his hair he would look younger than PBAT.

Both Men are in their 90's.

Olusegun Obasanjo and Afe Babalola in their 90's also look more active than PBAT.

He must have been on some aging enhancing habits like smoking or drinking when he was younger.

Weak argument. No two people age same way. If you are not deceiving yourself. What are the odds you will see a 91 year old man that walks and looks like Wole Soyinka. I can bet most if not all of his class peers are dead. Nature and Nurture contributes to how we look. Some men will spot grey hair by erly 30's , get bald in their 20's, while some will not have a single grey strand approaching 50's.

There are better ways to dispute age, but not one off comparisons. Those individuals are outliers and they know. Many individuals in their 90's cant even go out anymore.

Professionals should watch their mental health; this one was losing it gradually that it was almost full blown madness.

Wispower:
How did a less educated man manage to keep exchange rate lower than over rated educated man? Subsidy was removed and Naira floated without a sound export status,
Stop defending undefendable, you're doing your work but do it with sense ok, under 2yrs your employer out borrowed his predisesso and you are not ashamed to defend your undefendable Boss

So in your very smart sense, Oil subsidy should be kept and Naira subsidised for a "sound export status" ? cho cho cho, no understanding. The system was bound to collapse, reason why they were printing naira enmasse in emfiele CBN to hide the rot.

Most largely due to naira depreciation. in dollar terms, we have less debt. Nigeria earns a lot of crude oil proceeds in USD , and we must ramp up crude oil production higher to at least 2 million barrels per day, while it continues its crude oil diversification drive.

Many of our debts are in USD, and if you convert to naira, it increases with depreciation in Naira. If Nigeria does not pay any debt and simply achieve a 500naira /usd , we will owe about half of the current amount.

Our debt, is not largely the problem at the moment, our income is where the most issue lies and we must increase it at a faster rate,at least times 5 in less than 4 years. In actual fact, we will/must borrow more for productive infrastructures. Only non productive countries should be scared of debt. Lagos state for example is not scared of debt, and they are the most indebted state in Nigeria, but they can relatively service the debt in an easier fashion than most others because of the income drive and get things done. USA is the most indebted country in the world, but the largest economy in the world as well.

Mosco100:
Even after adjusting it, their profits will still be far less than it used to be, cos their customers' willingness to pay higher is not there, since there's no increase in their own earning. This whole thing is a great tribulation.

There are too many variables that can influence profit in his kind of business. Even before fuel hike, there is still a possibility of loss of income. A man with no specific garage and just driving the tricycle or keke along the road to pick passengers may use up more fuel than revenue earned from passengers carried. 5,000 naira petrol is about 4 litres. he did not tell us if he stopped along the way to eat Mama put..... jokes aside, it is not just a problem of the fuel price hike,. Nigerians should now face the reality that fuel price is largely now off the hands of Government, and the price will continue to go up and down as far as crude oil price change and/or the value of Naira to a dollar changes.

Galactics:
Remi gate crashing gatherings where she isn't needed.

Even when NIgerian flag is clearly in the picture. Hatred makes someone blind to reason and fact though. Tinubu is the best civilian president we have had since 1979. Yes, i said that.

We dont have all the details, he may have drank beer from it, or drove his concubine to her house for free or he was just unlucky and driving empty in many of the trips and not lucky to pick passengers. That is the sad truth about business. Enough with the alarmist story. Most if not all transport owners adjusted their fare price to account for the fuel price hike.

I doubt it is 13 tons. That is like 250 number of 50kg bags of rice. Maybe 130 or 1,300 tons

"Are you coming to embarrass me?": That statement tells about the confusion and the high horse they climb when they steal billions they don't really need. What is special about you to embarass?. If they wanted to embarass you, your agbada would have been used to wrap you and bundled in to a prison van?

Kukutente23:
But you already acknowledged yourself that lagos disputed the 2006 census figures. What I'm pointing to you is that historically, no census in Nigeria has been devoid of manipulation and fraud.
I already told you that NIN is used by minors to register for WAEC and JAMB. Do you mean minors in villages in Nigeria don't write JAMB and WAEC? You mean rural dwellers don't have SIMs or bank account? You'll be shocked at how much NIN covered especially during the NIN-SIM and NIN-BVN linkages under Buhari. I can boldly tell you that at least 70% of Nigerians have NIN today because not having it is simply exclusion from some basic services.
And yes! Even newborns get NIN in today's Nigeria
And no, Nigerian minors are not 50% of the population. The median is at 18 because of the low mortality rate in Nigeria not because 50% are below 18. A country with mortality age of 55 years will see its median shift downwards than a country of 70 years mortality

The boldened suggest you don't know what median age of a country means. I explained that earlier. Most developing countries with large birth rate and death rate tend to have their median age around the 18 year old mark.
I did not say newborns don't have NINs, but it is not common. Many Nigerians don't do things except they can see an immediate benefit. I bet there are lots of people who register for voters card because they figure that will give them a benefit of a national ID card.

You talk about JAMB and WAEC to register for NIN, those policies were less than 5 years ago to force registration, same with applying for a travel Passport. I hope you also realise most of those applicants are also borderline minors and some even adults. If we define minors as 0-17 years. JAMB and WAEC applicants are about 16 years and above

lawani:
Minors may not be up to fifty percent though. I believe the number that registered for NIN will be around sixty percent of the population.

Then Sim registration, NIN stats and etc can be used to compare the population of different states.

I think the country's population is around 220 million

It may not be up to, it may be up to, it may be more than........

Sim registration, NIN stats and etc can be used to compare the population of different states

: I did not dispute it,they all have their weaknesses and peculiarities in making estimates.

Kukutente23:
You see why I said you have to know the problems before you can proffer solution? Why don't you just Google Nigeria's 1963-64 census and see what transpired. Nigeria has never been able to carry out a census without allegations of manipulation. More importantly, Nigeria's growth rate is very suspicious because birth rates is known to decline as the people get more access to education but in Nigeria's case reverse is the case. Also, Nigeria has a weird population spread where the hinterland is more populated than the shoreside.
You only focused on voter registration which in itself still a pointer that Nigeria's population is not up to over 200m. At 93m, it means less than half are not registered to vote while the voting age is 18. Meanwhile out of 93m are the dead, those who migrated and those who are not eligible as we know that some Foreigners especially from Niger are registered to vote in Nigeria. If you look at the NIN which captures all Nigerians, the figure is 123m. Note that NIN by estimates should have captured at least 70% of Nigerians now. This is because you need NIN for WAEC and JAMB registration, to own a bank account, to own a SIM etc. So if 70% is 123m, it means our population should be max 160m.
As for population of kids, as I told you, Nigeria's birth rate is not realistic because even in the north, the present generation are not open to breeding like rats. So to claim that Nigeria's both rates is still at the same rate as the 70s is a big lie

It appears you only want to argue for the sake of it. why should i google 1963-64 census, when that was not the last census. The tangible baseline will have to be the most result census which was 2006 or else i can also google 1890's census. Whatever report must be on the most recent as that census determined the current 250 million calculation using 3% annual growth rate, which some may argue it may be higher than that. If you calculate 140 million at a growth rate of 3% annually, you will have over 250 million.

I did not discuss about NIN for obvious reasons, it is not well administered for the most part of the existence, they initially did not even allow minors to register until some few years ago. A large population of people still don't have it BECAUSE they mostly have no use of it(Minors are largely in this category), rural dwellers, illiterate population e.t.c. If the NIN becomes a tool to receive government benefit, watch how enrolment will skyrocket. Who registers a 2 year old for NIN except for passport registration, I don't even think they have partnership with Nigerian hospitals , e.t.c NIMC is a poorly managed and/or possibly underfunded agency .

Your other statistical baseline of SIM registration is also weak, as it largely excludes Nigerian minors who are about 50% of the population. Most kids do not have sim cards and dont try to start with one off examples.

Anytime you want to discuss population, keep it in mind Nigerian minors are about 50% of the population, that fallacy of failing to acknowledge that reality shows in your argument.

Kukutente23:
You didn't tell me why we seem to have an income problem according to you. You only listed some things you feel should help us generate revenue
Generating revenue shouldn't be bad if we don't have looters at the helm
But I've not seen this govt take any concrete steps to stem waste and corruption. Instead, govt wastage seems to be at an all time high. So you still need to explain why we have income problem before you tell me what's to be done to salvage it

If i tell you what you need to have food on your table, then i need not tell you why you are hungry.

Kukutente23:
First of all our census has always been corrupt since the colonial era. During the colonial era, people avoided census to evade taxation especially in the south
After independence, the focus became different, to establish your majority status, so, regions started inflating their numbers. That's been the case since 1963. That said, according to 2006 census, Kano is more populated than Lagos. I think Tinubu then contested it. The north keeps inflating its numbers. The south also returns the favour. So the baseline is faulty. But to know that we're not 200m it's very easy. Check out the number of voters on our INEC register. Check out the number of SIM, NIN and BVN holders. As at last year October, total number of NIN was around 123m. Active SIM was 224m. Registered voters stood at 93m. Of all the number, only SIM registration crossed the 200m mark and we all know that one individual can hold multiple SIMs and it's usually more the case than not.
So if INEC and NIN registration which can't be done multiple times has not hit the 200m mark, how can we claim to be over 200m in population?

Some of your argument is making my point. As at the 2006 census, Tinubu did a parallel census and arrived at 16 million i believed instead of 9 million, meaning it was alleged to be 7 million less than expected. I am not too carried away with conspiracy theory i can't prove about North and South inflating numbers. If you have a credible report to that effect, you can argue on that basis.

Registered voters can only accommodate at the earliest 18 years of age. I mentioned earlier median age in Nigeria at about 18 years, i.e half of Nigerians are below 18 years of age. A lot of Nigerians over 18 years did not register to vote for multiple reasons.

What do you think is the population of kids from 0-17 years in Nigeria. roughly from Neonates to Secondary school . It will be well over 120 million in Nigeria. Those 120 million Nigerians can not be captured on a voters register. Nigeria has about 30,000 secondary schools, tens of thousands of primary schools and kindergaten/creche e.t.c, factor out of school children.

Kukutente23:
What do you think is the reason for Nigeria's income problem?

The economy needs to be deepened to foster prosperity, and expansion of tax nets. Fruitless subsidies hampering investment as seen in the power sector have to be removed. Continuous encouragement of Foreign/private investors in vital sectors like Agriculture, Power, ports, mining, Education, technology , finance e.t.c and a renewed effort to Improve security. With more people having jobs, they must be ready to be taxed and not all these "wetin govt don do for me entitlement mentality wey i go pay tax" while they are also stealing money in their small cubicle like politicians. Government must tax prosperity of the people. There are many rich people that still dont want to pay tax under the guise of politicians are stealing money and a million and one excuses......

Kukutente23:
Nigeria's population is not up to 200m
Let's quit the deceit

So, if it was 140 million at 2006 census, 20 years after, it is still not 200 million in a large developing nation with illiteracy as high as 30-50% in some regions and massive teenage pregnancy and median age of about 18-19. Median age means half of the population is less than that age. Do you have any concrete evidence beyond cynicism?. Annual growth rate is about 3%, and average birth rate/woman is over 4 children. Death rate and emigration has done little to reduce the rate of growth.

Kukutente23:
Don't use America to justify the same borrowing you previously condemned. That's the exact definition of going round in circles.
I don't know in which country subsidy is wasteful. So many countries subsidise so many things for their citizens. Do you know that petrol price in Saudi has remained the same despite the war happening in their backyard? How come what others enjoy in their countries become haram in our country and some people now use brighter grammar to explain it away!!
You need to do your maths properly, the wage bill of states it's now less percentage of their revenue and that's due to th free increase allocation which is majorly due to naira devaluation. It's easy to see. Naira depreciated by over 300%. Minimum wage was increased by 110%. Minimum wage adjustment reduces as you go up the ladder. In fact, FG simply added a flat rate less than 20% to some cadres. The states adopted same template. So how can you say wage bill increased at the same rate with naira devaluation? The over 200% difference between former wage value and present value us borne by the earner not the payer.
The govt needs to spend more but the people need to be empowered to create wealth. You referenced US debts. The worth of the top twenty business in the US will pay off US debts while the top twenty businesses in Nigeria cannot even offset half of our debts. What this shows is that govt can only do so much but what sustains a strong economy is a virile private sector

Many Nigerians are quick to shout on the rooftop about crude oil wealth in Nigeria, and i am sure it is overrated based on our size. Ghana per capita has more crude oil wealth than Nigeria.

Saudi Arabia is producing about 10 miliion barrels per day and have a population of 35 million, the country with the number 1 religious tourism earnings in the world. They can afford some of these cheap subsidies way better. Nigeria has a significant income problem, the earlier most of you realise this, the better. Infact, Nigeria's income problem is worse than the corruption problem. Savings from subsidy is not a magic bullet that will suddenly fix all of our income problem, if we plan to build in almost geometrical progression our infrastructures.

Carazon:
Which year una do the census wey give una this 250 million population?

Well, the last time Nigeria did census was 2006, making it 20 years ago , it was arrived at 144 million people. So, a smart estimate is to use an estimated annual growth rate , which is about 4-6% for Nigeria.

Growth rate factors in immigration, emigration, birth and death, no country does census every year, not even vatican city, to the best of my knowledge.

Angola population is 38 million( lagos + ogun state population) vs Nigeria's population of 250 million.

It is cheaper to subsidise as they produce almost the same amount of crude oil daily with Nigeria.