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MuttleyLaff:
You should ask whoever on this thread, that has said he/she isnt a christian
Do not take, just the feeble and ordinary response, that the tag "Christian" wasn't used by Jesus, the disciples or early believers
Emmanystone, reel in, and get back in here, whoever it is, on this thread that said so, to come explain himself/herself in details, why

Am here sir.

OkCornel:
The bolded part of your quote...has nothing to do with whether I am a Christian by tag or not...

When I see the truth, I defend it. I don't believe any religion under Heaven has absolute monopoly of the TRUTH...

The truth I see in Christianity...I defend it till my last breath. Same goes for any other truthful thing I see in any other religion...

Jesus did not come to set up a religion and call His followers "Christians"... Jesus did not practice a religion to reach out to God...

I don't really care who or what you are. That's is for you to concern yourself with. Am facing my Op now.

You can have the word and yet be a Pharisee thinking you are obeying God... the Spirit of God is the source of the word which you have been talking about and that is what I am pointing to your attention.

You still think I need to bear the tag "Christian" before you think I believe in Jesus? Do you view the works of Jesus as another religious movement that people need to bear that tag "Christian"?

Anyways... speaking of tithe, Acts 15 already explains a lot...



The Holy Spirit guides you into all truth. And I am telling you that all the truth in this world is can never be documented in one book. God is the source of all truth, and His Spirit will guide you into them... I can bet, if you read the books I read while growing up, you will doubt if Jesus ever existed... but how come do I still believe in Jesus? Guidance of the Holy Spirit has really helped in not just seeking the truth...but also exposing a lot of lies I have come across. If you are scared, limit yourself to the Bible...good for you...



The Holy Spirit is the source of "God's word"...and again I repeat, God's word is not limited to 66 books...



It's not just fear...but also ignorance as well. When you are conditioned to believe one book holds all the truth in the world, then feel free to stay in your comfort zone... don't call others who are willing to seek out God as disobedient people for looking outside the Bible...



And what is your definition of Scriptures? The Bible?....or the words of the Holy Spirit...



At this juncture, it is very clear you are the one assuming on my behalf that Moses copied from the Epic of Gigamesh...

Despite the fact that I posted boldly "it is none of my business whether Moses copied from it or not...I was not there when the book of Genesis was written"...[/quote]Am done with this continued
derailment. Face the Op or forget it.

OkCornel:
Just stop this already... this thing is straightforward for God's sake...

The Epic of Gilgamesh was written before the book of Genesis was written... and I gave you the facts on when they were written...

Why are you shifting the goal post to when the Universe was created? what does it have to do with when these books were written?

By the way, both books talk about the garden of eden...

BY THE WAY, YOU ARE YET TO MENTION WHERE I STATED MOSES COPIED FROM THE EPIC OF GILGAMESH!

You haven't been following obviously. You don't set the perimeters in this thread, i do. I know what i had in mind before i created it. You don't tell me what questions to ask or not to ask, if you can't answer, then don't bother.

OkCornel:
It's in the Bible...and prophet Joel wrote it.

Peter preached about it on the day of Pentecost... unless you want to laugh at the very same Bible you read as well...

Go ahead...

God is not a God of the "Christians" alone...you need to get that clear...

I didn't ask you if it is in the Bible or Vedas, i asked if the Spirit is poured on those who do not believe in Christ and work according to his teachings.

God created all humans, but not all are his sons. 'To them who has His spirit, He has empowered them to be called the Sons of God.

There are Gods creation and there are the Sons of God.

OkCornel:
But you are ignoring the fact that even Satan can twist the same words you hold so dear to deceive you as well...

It is for that reason we are told to check everything with the Word. Whatever is outside the Word, satan can present himself as God and be worshipped. The Word is a Lamp unto our feet and a light unto our path. Without it, you walk in darkness.

Satan can never twist the Word if you know it and depends on the Holy Spirit for guidance. He can only do that to those who wait for someone to tell them about the Word, or those who believe YHWH can be found outside of the Word. Lies.

OkCornel:
If you doubt it...why the tithing controversy of the past few weeks in the first place?

Guy, lf you want us to talk about Tithing, create a thread for it. Not here. (I pay my tithe faithfully by the way.) E no concern you. Jesus is my High persist, i pay my tithe to him. You are not a Christian, you shd leave that to us Christians to handle. Thanks.

OkCornel:
See ehn, there's much more to God than what's in the Bible alone...and your major fear is being misled into error...

Sir, outside of the Word He has given, you can't know YHWH. Even with what He has given, there's so much you need to learn, what else do you need outside the Bible? You can only walk into error when you via outside of the Word

OkCornel:
But why one would have this fear despite having the Holy Spirit that will guide you is something very funny I find about Christians...

Does the Holy Spirit away from the Word? Do you know his responsibilities?

Lolzzzzz.you have no idea what you are talking about. Has the Holy Spirit ever talked to you? Did He talk to you outside of the Word?

The Holy Spirit speaks the Word of God to you, that's why, without the knowledge of the Word, the Holy Spirit can not speak to you. The Master said, He (the Holy Spirit), shall put us to remembrance of the things He taught us. Where are the things Christ taught us? In the Word.

If you see me remaining within the confines of the Word as fear, then that's because you are bent on walking in disobedience. I no dey fear satan o. Let me tell you. I know who i am by virtue of redemption.

I deeply understand what it means to sit with Christ in heavenly places far above satan and his hordes. So if you think am afraid, then think again.

Even the Angels do not understand any other language than your Faith in the Word of God.

OkCornel:
Anything outside of the Bible is satanic and demonic abi?

YES. If you intend to follow YHWH but determines to do so by following teachings outside the Bible, just know satan is unto you. If he can twist Scriptures to the unsuspecting Christians, what will he not do to those who goes outside the Word.

Anything Unscriptural is Satanic.

OkCornel:
YOU HAVEN'T STILL MENTIONED WHERE I SAID MOSES COPIED FROM THE EPIC OF GILGAMESH...

Did you or did you not say the Epic Gil predates Genesis? Didn't you post their dates here? What was that? By posting those dates, you made a statement.

ScienceWatch:
No problem. It is good to hear from you.

I have been browsing this thread occasionally and am impressed with both of you, this topic and the complexity paves the way for frustration and misunderstanding to surface. The distraction from other posters also aggravate this situation.

In my humble opinion, I see nothing other than an incredibly intelligent and robust debate. I believe that you have expressed your views honestly and tactfully as usual.

Emmanystone is very smart and should patch up any unintentional indignity to you.

I have enjoyed the robust dialogue between you two. I am following.

I'm sorry for any insult to Okcornel.

OkCornel:
Wow...this is interesting. So because I do not call my self "Christian" it means I am a pretender abi?

You shouldn't have taken a stand as if you were a Christian from the start and made me think you were.

OkCornel:
And only the Devil tells one to look beyond the Bible for truth?

YES. The Word of God is our guide to live in this dark world. It is the light unto our path.

Jesus said we shd examine ourselves if we are in the Lord, it has to be done with the Word because it is a mirror.

Without the Word, how do you know the mind of God? How do you know what he wants you to do?

How do you how to serve Him?

You'd just serve Him the way others serve their gods thereby serving satan.

Satan wants worship, hence he wants you to undermine the laid down rules hence,work in disobedience to YHWH.

OkCornel:
My dear, you are no different from a muslim zealot... I strongly doubt if you even understand the Bible you are reading...

If that makes you happy why not? Call me whatever, I don't care. No compromise.

Lolzz, you do? Really? You who depends on wikipedia to know God knows tbe Bible abi? Good.

OkCornel:
b]It seems you have taken the place of God in my life and you now know how my future will turn out to be...that I'm a freethinker who thinks YHWH does not exist abi?[/b] - this is a very irritating way of sitting on your high horse and judging people as though you know everything about them... very immature of you I must say... keep up with the lies and denial though...

You began here like a believer, then you bloated out 'I'm not a Christian'. The next might be, 'I'm doubting my faith in God'

We have seen it happen here. I have a reason i raised this high. Is it so that if it happens, today will be remembered.

People who know nothing about claiming they were christians. Biko.

OkCornel:
By the way, please humor me...other people that don't bear the Christian tag are going to hell fire abi?

Anyone does not have the life Christ died to give will go to hellfire.

Not those who attend Church on sunday.

OkCornel:
Look at all your quotes on this thread, your motive has been to throw mud at me all the while...I can see you are truly "Christ-like"

Please tell me, does God have a religion?

No, God doesn't have a religion, nevertheless, he has an acceptable way He determines how His followers worship Him.

You don't decide how you worship Him. He is the master, you are the servant. The Bible is the Guide He has given to us through his Son Jesus toady, so if you relegate it and resort to another source, you are on your own.

If only can do all is written in the Beatitutes alone, then you'd be ready for rapture. That we are still grappling with, but you want to go beyond that. This is satanic and i don't mean that as an insult, it's just the truth.

Satan wants us to sidestep the lay down guide 'The Word' so that he can introduce errors.

budaatum:
Indeed you can. Hopefully, and especially if you don't subscribe to butterflylion's idea of being controlled by others.

So far do i seem like i can be controlled?

budaatum:
I gave you a book about Heaven and Hell. Did I have to believe it to give it to you? Would you claim my giving it to you proves I believe it?

(Was it not good, by the way, you never said?)

The book is good but not easy to read. He was too much i to Angels and levels of heavens. What he wrote did not edify me.
Nevertheless, it's a good book. I thought said so and thanked you?

snnazzy24:
And who told you the spirit of truth is the holy spirit?

I thought you were a satansist/atheist? Wetyn concern you with spirits?

OkCornel:
And where did the Spirit of God become the property of "Christians" alone?

Hasn't the Spirit if God been poured out on all flesh like Joel prophesied?

What was Job 32 v 8 referring to when he said there is a Spirit in man and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding?

I am still waiting on your hasty conclusion on calling me a pretender after dodging my last set of questions...

Please mention where I said Moses copied from the Epic of Gilgamesh...

I know see you make posts and forget.

So the Spirit on all flesh even those who are not followers of Christ? Hahahahahahahahahaha. Abeg jare.

snnazzy24:
I understand how you feel but don't let this get to you. it's common with them Christians to result to cheap insults when you counter them to the point where they can't defend their god anymore, we all know what the Muslims result to.. fighting and and going on rampage.
what I can't seem to understand is why fight for god who they claim is general almighty.

Okcornel, am waiting for your response here.

As water answereth to face, so the deep calleth to the deep

snnazzy24:
@emmanystone.. why would a loving god as Christians claims is the true character of their almighty god derives pleasure is destroying people who don't believe in him by allowing them burn in hell on the last day as foretold when it was recorded in your bible that he created every living things including man and he knows all things.. why didn't he just create a set of people who will believe, love, trust, obey and worship him without questions rather than having some perish because they didn't believe in him and jesus and some alive because they did believed in him and his son called jesus. Unless he doesn't know all things as Christians claims.

No more derailing this thread. If you want answers open a thread and mention me.

Thanks

OkCornel:
And [b]when did the date of the creation of the Universe become a basis of the argument?[/b]

The Epic of Gilgamesh was documented before the book of Genesis...what else are you driving at? what point exactly are you making?

Are you seriously setting the perimeters of this thread? If you had not stirred thw thread away from it's Op, this is where we wld have been.

I was driving this thread to DATES, if you had allowed the thread go sail amoothly.

If you say Epic of Gilgamesh came before Genesis, when was the creation according to Genesis take place, was my destination.

The Epic of the Gil, has a date, but does Genesis?

Moses wrote Genesis, but did Moses create the Universe?

Was the Universe created when Moses wrote the account?

Can anyone put a timeline bwtn the time God finished his creation to the time Adam fell?

How long was it? Can you date it?

If you say the Epic of Gil Predates Genesis, then you must be able to answer the questions.

Are you done derailing this thread? Now let's get to business.

Answer and we shall take off from there.

OkCornel:
Bro...this is not to put you in a tight spot...but I'll appreciate it if you'll be blunt with me...

What have I done on this thread to get unnecessary insults from Emmanystone?

How did i insult you? Oh saying you are a pretender is an insult? Sorry o. But, you have claimed you had the Spirit of Truth which is the Holy Spirit in you since, only for you to do what i suspected you'd do, declare you are not a Christian. Which Spirit are you talking about nah?

It's not by bearing all these useless tags that makes you a child of God...[/quote]

OkCornel:
I am not a Christian... I am a truthseeker...

See am? I talk am say this man na pretender. Why are you saying this now? Why didnt you say this all along?

And, the Spirit of Truth in you is whose Spirit? Christ? Hahahahahahaahahhahahahahahahahaha.

Very soon you will say you are a freethinker who has known YHWH but discovered He didn't exist. I don dey talk am since like say i know.

OkCornel:
I do not do religion... I live for the TRUTH...

What is the TRUTH?

OkCornel:
Didn't the Bible mention that if all the acts of Jesus were recorded, the whole world cannot contain it?

You must done all what he taught and still find Him wanting, hence, you resorted to wikipedia to know Him more. Or probably there are books were those other Acts of Jesus are written that you resort to all by yourself.

OkCornel:
If so, why are you limiting yourself to the Bible? Are you afraid you'll go astray? When the Holy Spirit is there to guide one into all truth?

Maybe you point me to those books where these other Acts of Jesus are written so that i can also consult them.
Only satan will tell a Christian to.look beyond the bible, that's because he wants his own 'truths to be added

OkCornel:
Truly, I find this dissappointing...

Please mention to me where God called His children "Christians"...

You are not as disappointed as i am to find out you are a pretender all this while. It's so sad.

OkCornel:
And going by the bolded...who will the fallen angels call themselves to be?

Inasmuch as the fallen angels were going about preaching a corrupt version of God and claiming to be God themselves...do you really think God abandoned all of man to focus on the Hebrews alone? How did Job find out about this one true God?

You shouldn't be asking me if I can date Genesis...unless you think Moses is not the author of Genesis...

Genesis was written by Moses...and the period in which Moses lived on earth was when the earliest version of it was written by him (or his scribes)

I will begin to ignore your derailment tactics.

Now on Moses and the Universe, i think you are confused. Let's start all over again.

Did Moses create the Universe? You said no. Was Moses given a revelation about the creation of the universe? Bro Muttleylaff helped us understand that, you also pointed out that what God refused to make known to Moses, He made known to Apst John.

But here you are still stick at when Moses penned down the account.

Was when the Universe created when the account was penned down? This is where you are stuck.

The Epic of Gilgamesh yes predates when Moses penned down the account given to him by YHWH, but can you truly say when the Universe was created?

If you insist that Moses copied the Epic of Gilgamesh, you must be saying. the Universe was created when the Epic of Gilgamesh was written, which has a date on it.

Was that date when the universe was created?

OkCornel:
So if you knew all of this, why is the Elohim stuff causing you to raise alarm?

So you knew the Hebrews adopted Elohim and Elyon as names of God abi?

I am shocked because you who claim you know God takes a stand with a man who tries to make lazy people believe that YHWH is a demon (a fallen angel). Satan through hos agents is trying to put himself in the class of YHWH, but he has failed.

OkCornel:
Oh my bad...are you insinuating Enoch could not write a book?

Yes he could, but he couldn't have written this one, because the very Genesis which spoke about him was written by someone else long after him. If he had written Genesis, you could claim He wrote the book of Enoch, but he didn't. Who wtote the book of Enoch?

OkCornel:
Anyways...Elohim was used initially used to refer to gods and deities before the Hebrews adopted it as a name for the one true God...
Did Elohim ever was used to address the Fallen Angels or Nephilims?
[quote author=OkCornel post=65731338]So tell me, what was the error of the author referring the fallen angels (deities and gods) as the Elohim? or you are the one mistaking the writer's reference of Elohim as same for that used for the one true God?

His error is, he is trying to place YHWH in the class of fallen Angels by erroneously calling them Elohim instead of Nephilims. He has an agenda like ifeness calling YHWH Anu.

OkCornel:
I thought you knew about the origin of the word Elohim...

Yes i did, i didn't mention doesn't mean i didn't.

budaatum:
It is not your thread. You created it, but you don't get to determine who posts in it, or what they post in it!

Lolzzzz, but i can determine who i respond to according to my rules.

OkCornel:
Did Anu give birth to Ishtar evil?

How much do you know of all these religions before writing them off as evil and demonic?

I guess anything outside Judaism or Christianity is evil and demonic isn't it?

Later na you go deny this one o. You are making a case for Anu. So Anu is a good God abi?

Okay, let me fo.back to.what i kept asking but you kept dodging. Present all Anu's Acts lets check him out if he is God or.not.

@Bolded, their activities will speak if only you'd present them.

The Spirit in you which has been pretending is coming out gradually.

MuttleyLaff:
"No links" actually means no sign-posting only.
As in, make your points and then if necessary, augment it with whatever reference links you may have

Or drop your link,
but better make sure you show the lots of meat, you've carved off this bone, you've first dangled out for all to see.

No lazy and cutting corners manoeuvres posting

Who is the one?
Let the one come into the open, to directly and publicly admit the worship Enuma Elish here

He said someone in NL is an Anu beliver, yet that someone is hiding.

OkCornel:
I didn't refer you to the Book of Enoch and Jasher abi?


What exactly in Wikipedia did I throw at you as an extrabiblical reference?

Can you know the mind of YHWH from these books and wiki you mentioned?
My point is, you have no right to stand and claim you have the Spirit of Truth in you if you consider the Word of God not enough for your edification.

Very soon you'd tell me the Bible can't be trusted because it was written by men. You even vied towards that angle when you mentioned the council of Nicaea. Oh dear.

If you need any other source to know God, then you must have another god from YHWH.

OkCornel:
Nope...

This means you never understood what I have been posting all the while...

What were you pointing at?

1) Does the Bible tell you Demons have daughters who are also worshipped as godesses?
2) If Anu is a Demon based on the fact that Ishtar is His daughter (a fairy tale I must add), what would you say about God who created Satan?

When you are charting into unfamiliar territory, don't be hasty to conclude...[/quote]And this is coming from someone who claims to have the Holy Spirit in him o. Or i may have mistaken the 'Spirit of Truth to mean the Spirit of God

Sir, in other cultures demons can make their worshippers believe anything they are made to believe, but that's not the same with those who know YHWH. It's only when you stand in the light you can see clearly.

In the Hellenistic Religions which is the same with this Babylonians and Assyrian deities, gods are said to marry and have children. Ishtar for instance was married to Baal.

Without the Bible, you won't even know that Baal or Ishtar or Ashteroth were demon. You'd believe they what they claim to be, God.

Now, look at it like this, Athena is Zeus daughter, who is zeus? Can you say because Zeus is believed to be the supreme being in the Hellenistic religion, he is YHWH?

I asked you this before, did God create satan evil? Was he satan when he was created? I asked this before ypu dogded answering it. Who was Satan when he was created.

So because Lucifer rebelled and became Satan, YHWH is now evil?

I said it, we shall get there, we are close.
When you claim to have the Spirit of Truth, be sure to know which of the Spirits you are talking about, because it obvious you have no slightest idea who YHWH is.

OkCornel:
Elohim means gods or deity... Did you consider whether Elohim was an adopted word in Hebrew? same applies to Elion now translated as Elyon in Hebrew...

Have you also found out about the origin of the word "El" ?

You said the Apostles read the Torah alone... what about the Talmud and the Tanakh?


All these things you are typing here is because you have a Christian background... if you were born into a Muslim home...you'll be passionately defending Allah as the one true God...

So much for the confusion that comes with religion...

Please can you tell me God's religion?

It still doesn't occur to you that i know all this.

Very funny you.

OkCornel:
The part of your quote I bolded is where I am having a problem with you...

Please mention where I said YHWH is a fallen angel...

I also told you about fallen angels who deceitfully took on the title of God to establish false religion around the world...and you now interpreted this to mean YHWH/Elohim are fallen angels... I bow for you ooo

The valid question you should be asking here is how the writings of Enoch survived the great deluge...and how come the book of Jude made reference to it...

Unless you are implying Jude made reference to a book that is not authentic...

Hahahahahahaha. This guy has short memories. You pisted me a book to read where you believed that what the author wrote is true. The author said Elohim was or were Fallen Angels, i posted to you points showing that Elohim is YHWH. If you believe what that author says, haven't you called YHWH Fallen Angel?

You have to answer me first how Enoch who Moses wrote about could have written his own book?

Before we go to Jude, tell me how Enoch whom Moses wrote about could have written a book.


Moses wrote about all if them, how come only Enoch wrote his own book?

OkCornel:
When you don't understand one's point of view...you end up even being more confused...

Where did I mention and conclude Anu, YHWH, Shiva and Fallen Angels are one and the same person?

Where did I mention YHWH is a fraud?

Are you sure you all is well?

Please can everyone following this thread ask Emmanystone where I mentioned all of these?

I don't believe in telling lies or being biased because I want to defend the Bible or ancient Jewish customs...

You blundered earlier on by mentioning the writer of the Epic of Gilgamesh copied from Moses...and after telling you the Epic of Gilgamesh predates the book of Genesis...you've gone haywire since then... Again I ask, what is the matter with you?

Maybe you make points and forget.

From the beginning of this thread, you suggested,as a matter of fact, you insisted that YHWH manifested himself as Anu. You said If he decides to manifests himself to indians, He won't be called YHWH and since the Indians Worship Shiva, who will YHWH manifest Himself to them as if not Shiva?

You said Eledomare is YHWH. Then the blow came when you called Elohim a fallen Angel. You may think you are chatting with someone who can not connect the dots. Sorry, i follow you every step.

And i asked you if Moses created the Universe, you said no. If the Universe was created long before Moses was given the revelation, how can you put a date to Genesis?

The Epic of Gilgamesh was dated, but can you date Genesis?

If you had not tried by all means to derail this. thread, this would have been our discussion line.

Now, let me ask you this, can you date Genesis?

OkCornel:
You haven't even bothered to read the book I told you of...and you have swiftly concluded the author is a conspiracy theorist...

May God have mercy on your impatience...

So you believe him that the Fallen Angels are not Nephilims but Elohim as opposed to the Bible? Okay, kontinu.

budaatum:
And yet, you refused to acknowledge the very first point of contention in you post, which is whether Moses wrote Genesis in the first place!

Sir, this thread is not for those who don't believe that Moses wrote Genesis. If they don't believe, then they have the right to stay off my thread. No be by force to comment here.

budaatum:
The second is to ask why one believes what one believes. By that statement alone, you are emotionally setting up a comparison between "religious beliefs" and "what one knows"

Wait, if you believe that Epic of Gilgamesh or the creation story there happened before that of Genesis, won't you have reasons why you believe that?

budaatum:
There is after all, verifiable evidence. But there you are saying "no links", without realising perhaps that you mean "no evidence please". But that's no surprise, since you asked for "what you believe" to begin with!

I said, if you have read the links, post your findings here, not the links. Not everyone can go into those links or have the time to read the books, so you who have read them, what do they say in connection to the Op.

The Op says present your points, what does that mean if not your evidences? Must i read your link before i see your evidence?

Yes, i asked for what you believe and why you believe thus.

budaatum:
I can safely assure you that we have one on NL who worships or holds the Enuma Elish as the book of their god.

Why then is that someone not here Enlightening us?