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ifenes:
You go first, present what you know about Yahweh.

I doesn't work that way. I wasn't the one who claimed these entities are the same, you did. So, you go first.

Gayjesus:
Which book wrote about the death of Moses ? Who wrote that part of the story, Moses ?

I thought you were going to tell me(?)

OkCornel:
You'll confuse yourself further when you work hard to give God a name...

Just stick to the simplicity that He exists... but if you want to play religion...then you'll end up confused as many out there...

And limit my replies to me alone...don't bring ifeness or anyone else into the picture...

Let's not walk with names, let's work with their M.Os.

Again, i say, present the attributes of Anu let me present that of YHWH let's compare and contrast.

OkCornel:
My dear, per the bolded... the Epic of Gilgamesh was written long before the book of Genesis was written...

Do some research on archaeology to confirm this...

I think you are saying this because you see Moses who wrote the Genesis account as the one who created the universe, because if not, you won't begin comparing the Epic of Gilgamesh with Genesis.

How many generations spanned from Abraham to Moses? Yet Abraham had lived in Ur of mesopotamia for 75yrs with his other family members before living for Canaan where his own family tree began down to Moses.

Bros, come up.

Gayjesus:
Too many flaws in the bible anyway, Moses can not write about his death and stuff he did not witness in the other 4 books.

You mean Moses did not witness the things that happened in exodus, Leviticus Numners and Deutronomy? Are you sure about this?

Pls can you tell me when Moses died?

ifenes:
Moses is a bible character and you are not sure he existed either. Stop talking as if you know the bible. These are stories that happened thousands of years ago.

I’m not going to argue what I know with you okay ? Genesis is about Genetics and the story of the Anunaki and various ways they manipulate their slaves until this day. I referred you to The Enuma Elish to read more that’s all, and also for you not to be a man of one book. Genesis or the bible is to reduce the Anunaki to a one god which is pure mind manipulation. This is a discussion I will rather have with enlightened folks, not for arguments

If you think I’m chatting shitt then that’s fine. I have nothing to gain trying to tell you Anunaki/ Yahweh are nothing but reptilians. If you continue to worship Yahweh or Jesus that’s on you.

The worship of the Anunaki are in various forms, look up the dollar bill and see for yourself. Reptilian gods worship all over the place.

Knowledge comes by you finding it out yourself.

Okay. Still present everything about Anu let me present that of YHWH lets compare and contrast.

You say i don't know the Bible, yet you claim you know that Anu and YHWH are the same. Hahahahahahaha

ifenes:
Okay...... this is why this debate will never work as the OP wanted. I’m out of here

Lolzzzzzz. But sir, you have been trying to derail the thread from the outset.

OkCornel:
The Almighty One decides to manifest Himself in whichever way He desires to...it's just that due to our limited abilities to perceive the limitless, we are fixed in our definition of who He is...

Meaning you believe YHWH is a liar? You mean He can manifest to you and tell you a different thing and manifest to me and tell me another?

Bros, if you believe what ifenes said, like i said to him, you guys shd oresent the attrubutes that makes Anu Anu, let me present YHWH at the end anyone can chooae to believe they are the same or not base on what we present. Pls go ahead.

OkCornel:
We are limited to describing Him by the part He deems fit to reveal to us...

I've gone beyon e label of names to identify God...and I keep things simple that way. Trying to label Him with a name would be the beginning of confusion...[/quot]
If you have gone beyond names and titles to ascertain these gods, on what are you basing them to be what they claim to be?
[quote author=OkCornel post=65662959]The Almighty One had always been relating with all if not most of the races under Heaven...and not just the Jews or Christians alone...

Meaning he is the same as Odin, Oris, Anu, Zeus, Thor and the rest?

OkCornel:
That explains how the likes of Job could be inspired to know walk in the reality of TRUTH...

Who told you about Job? Or which religion told you about Job?

ifenes:
According to the Enuma Elish, Enki was the son of the chief reptilian God called Anu/ Yahweh and he had a brother called enlil. Enki was more associated with east Africa and Enlil was based in the Middle East. Yahweh/Anu had lots of female reptilians he had children with. I know it may be hard to take by Christians but their god is far from what they think he is.

I am that I am is not a name, it only means “ mind your business Slave, and go do what I asked of you”

Lolzzz. Okay if you say so.

Lets make bold to present to the world the acts of these gods then leave the audience to decide if these gods arw the sane entity.

I will take YHWH while you take Anu. Pls present everything that nakes Anu Anu, while i presrnt what makes YHWH, YHWH. Let's see.

This may derail this thread, but i will watch over it.

Pls to go further, stay within the confines of this Op.

ifenes:
Yahweh, Anu are the same reptilian being the Christians referred to as god. The Chinese knows this being as the dragon, the South America have always stressed the worship of the dragon king who visited from the sky.

Why do you say this?

ifenes:
Moses himself had an encounter with the same shape-shifting being. Although I doubt the Moses character itself was real as the original story may have belonged to an Egyptian prince who had similar story.

How am i to take anything else you say here serious? You speculating here. It's either you know or you don't.

ifenes:
Before we consider the Sumerian version: The Epic of Gilgermersh being first before Genesis, let’s look at Moses. Was Moses the writer of a book which spoke about his own death

Yes sir. Moses may not have penned down the last part of his life when he died and Satan came to claim his body. Remember Joshua and the son of Aaron was there.

If it reads ' And i Moses, died on the Mount and Lucifer came to claim my body', then you could have a case here.

ifenes:
If we are to believe the stories of Genesis, then Moses did not write it. There is no clear evidence but then going by logic( which is often not a good excuse) Moses did not write the first 5 books of the bible because he was said to have died in the first book.

Really? Listen, this thread is not about Moses. Its not about whether Moses wrote the 5books of not. It's about YHWH and the Epic of Gilgamesh which cane first. Let's not derail this thread pls.

ifenes:
Is it possible the Moses was taken back in time to write the books which included his own death ? Yes it is possible. Whether it is true or not shouldn’t be a big deal because anything is possible with advance technology, especially a time machine used by Yahweh/Anu, the father of Enki.[it's hard to get anything from you. You shifting here and there.
[quote author=ifenes post=65662334]The epic of gilermerch along with The Enuma Elish predates the bible because they talked about previous civilisations on this planet. If you want to know about the story of Atlantis,the 8 god kings who ruled the planet for 250 thousand years and each one ruling for a minimum of 15 thousand years, stories that were briefly copied into the book of Genesis, read the Enuma Elish. Then you can see for yourself that the bible plagiarised other books

I said present your facts here, i didn't say tell me to go and read somewhere.

I will leave you at this point because you are not stable.

Jesse01:
well going by the epic of Gilgamesh and his quest of immortality, I will say yahweh is more likely the first to exist be4 utnapishtim. because utnapishtim gave Gilgamesh the riddle of the ark of Noah story. wen he can can't give Gilgamesh immortality.

Good point. Gilgamesh was afraid of death, and gods don't die hence, shouldn't be afraid to die. He went to Utnapishtim for help instead he was told about the flood.

I very sure the writer of Gilgamesh copied from the Bible but like Muhammad, who gave him the story didn't quite know all the details.

Their boat is square in shape while Noah's Ark was rectangular. During Noah, rain fell for 40 days and 40 nights. In E.G, it rained for 7days.

In Noah's account, only him and his family enter the Ark, in E.G, his family and the craftme who built the Boat went in. They landed on different mountains.

Jesse01:
check my post again my Emma stone

Okay my Jesse01

OkCornel:
And just to add... John saw that face that Moses could not see...

Hence, he could see the events of the future and write them...

Same applies to Ezekiel to an extent...

Wow. You guys are blowing my mind this morning. Thank you.

OkCornel:
Could Enki be the manifestation YHWH before the Hebrews came to be?

I am asking if they could be one and the same entity...or otherwise

Have you taken time to.study Epic of Gilgamesh? Except there are two YHWHs and two Universes then they can be viewed as one entity.

MuttleyLaff:
OkCornel, as earlier put, God, whose personal name is unrevealed and unknown but nonetheless, takes to Yahweh,
is everything, in a positive light, that Enki is
and everything good, positive and right that Enki is not, that, Yahweh is
Even the name Yahweh, its meaning, is a dead giveaway
Yahweh, actually YHWH, means, I AM, I AM HE WHO IS, I shall be, I AM that I AM, I will be that I will be, I Am Who I Am, that God gives as suffice as His name.

I used to wonder why God hesitates and declines to giving His name
but then got the epiphany, understood and related with Him

Emmanystone I'll get back to you asap about your query
but I must say, you've made a right mess with how your presentation reply's gone all funny

When you are less busy, sbow me how i made a right mess with my presentation

Jesse01:
hm

Hm what?

MuttleyLaff:
Well, let's just say the writers of the Epic of Gilgamesh got a head start

Expand on this pls.

MuttleyLaff:
Concerning the Epic of Gilgamesh came first, check response above
Anyway, Moses had the privilege of watching events wound back to the beginning[/quote
I didn't mean which writing was done first, i mean which events happened first.

If Moses had the privilege of watching events of the past, when did these events occur, was it after or before YHWH had created the universe is my query here.
[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=65659077]Read below Exodus 33:17-23 for the up to speed

¹⁷Yahweh said to Moses, "I will do this thing also that you have spoken; for you have found favor in my sight, and I know you by name."
¹⁸Then Moses said, “I pray You, show me Your glory!”
¹⁹He said,
"I will make all my goodness pass before you, and will proclaim the name of Yahweh before you.
I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy
²⁰He said,
"You cannot see my face, for man may not see me and live
(i.e. you cannot see the future, to die is the determining factor for that)
sup]21[/sup]Yahweh also said,
"Behold, there is a place by me, and you shall stand on the rock
²²It will happen, while My glory passes by, that I will put you in a cleft of the rock,
and will cover you with My Hand until I have passed by;
²³“then I will take away My Hand, and you shall see My back,
(i.e. you shall see the past, see days/years/times gone by, long-ago, ancient)
but My face shall not be seen
(i.e. my future plan(s), the hereafter, what lay/lies ahead, coming times, the fullness of time, you cant see)
- Exodus 33:17-23

WOW, i never saw theses scriptures in this light. Thank you for this insight.

I hear folks in this forum saying that Enki of the Epic of Gilgamesh is older than YHWH of the Jews. They base their argument on Moses the writer of the first 5 books of the Bible.

They say before the First Book of the Bible (Genesis) was written, the Epic of Gilgamesh had existed for centuries, hence Moses plagiarized it. Today, let's have a go on this.

If you believe that the Epic of Gilgamesh came first because Moses who wrote Genesis came much later, meaning Creation began with Moses, then present your points logically and respectfully.

If you say YHWH has always been and Moses was taken back in time to see and write what had happened, then present your points.

Pls, no insults, no name calling. If you disparage any God here, you will be totally ignore. Present your points coherently and concisely.

God bless those who believe Him and those who don't, shd just get along.

Shalom.

Butterflyl1on, Muttleylaff, OkCornel, Dallaman, Hahns, ifenes. Others.

keenn:
reversing the hands of time would be my greatest help for now, if that were possible.

I reside in an academic community somewhere in the east, my journey through the atheistic part has been quite interesting though challenging...having to fine tune core upbringing believe systems to what I am now.

to keep body and soul together, I help around with handy jobs in my small academic community, and with my intrigue personality it wasn't hard to become popular

an interesting conversation was on on one of the whatsapp group I belonged to on this very quiet and boring day about religion and God's plan for man, redemption, salvation, deliverance.... and I decided to join and gave quite a twist to the whole discussion. oh my! and all attention was faced on me.

immediately I was getting personal messages, it became so overwhelming that I had to ignore some.

the next day, I was like a walking ghost, some of my greetings were not returned, side talks when I pass and some offered to even pray to deliver me.

business/survival hasn't been the same.

I will one day leave this community, and then we will do all what they do, I want acceptance too, I need to survive.

disclosing your identity in an environment that is deeply entagled with religious dogma brings nothing but loss to us, no one is rewarding us to confess.

Oh Pulizzzzzzzzzzz. Deal with it.

MsBliss:
What I don't understand is how he can Defile his eyes and still Move in the anointing, Preach the word and declear into people's lives and it comes to pass. He is also a Prophet too.

Hahahahahaha. You mean how he can have sex with you and still perform miracles?

Let me tell you how or why. The gifts of God are without repetance, meaning, if he has the gift of healing,he can get up from having sex with you abd still heal the sick.

Remember Samson? He went into a city and slept with a prostitute, when the Philistine head he was in town, they went to get him, but he left. When he got to the gate of the city, he carried the gate on his shoulders and threw it far away.
Remember, he just had sex with a harlot. But, one day came when he taught he could do it as before, but he didn't know that the Holy Ghost had left him.


Keep sleeping with your pastor, God is watching both of you.

MsBliss:
Yes we are close because I'm part of his team. Close team of 7. This is not the first time I'm using his phone. Every one of Us (team) knows the password to each other's phone.

You are deep into his phone because you think he is sleeping with another member of the team, no be so?

Speak the truth a shame the devil.

MsBliss:
Please I Need Matured answers Here. I just Found out that My Mentor/Spiritual Father Whom I love, Respect and Admire so much is Into Pornography. This is the third time I am seeing the deleted Videos on his phone Recycle Bin. His Phone happens to have a folder in the Gallery where Deleted Pictures and Videos are stored Incase you Change your Mind. I am seeing it for the third time. I couldn't believe my eyes until I went to his Opera History and found out he downloaded them himself.
This Just Shattered me. I am beginning to think that this whole Christianity thing is just a facade and its Happening now that I have made up my mind to follow Christ fully. Its making me look at him in a completely different light now and I'm confused at the moment. Please what will you do if you are in my shoes??
Matured Comments Pls.

How do you have access into his phone? Are you having sex with him?

Men don't allow their wives close to their phones, but you happen to even check his deleted messages. This seems like you suspect he is dating another chic.

Confess.

Hmmmm. Demons possessing people will fight with everything to keep their lies floating.

Those who will join satan to fight Jesus are so many in this thread. No stress at all.

May you all accept the mark.

Ubenedictus:
you know you are lying about what Catholics believe, you know your father, the father of lies.

Lolzzzz. A Catholic is calling a Christian a liar. Hilarious.

Babylon the Great, the great Harlot shall fall, and great shall be her fall.

joe4christ:
Are u calling me a satanist? Funny the length these religious folks with their shallow mind and twisted pattern of thought can so manipulate every gaddam thing just to buttress a false point. Its really disappointing to say the least!

Take the challenge and open a thread. No long talk.

Dnaz:
Unfortunately you are not Jesus. Leave the judgement to him and get thee behind us Satan for the gates of hell shall never prevail

Thank God you are not Catholic Church, so i didn't judge you.

Dnaz:
You have a problem, u think u know but u are so empty

I never said i know, you just implied it now. Thanks dear.


Read your Bible sir, Jesus is coning soon, if he comes and meets you on the wrong side of the road, you be sorry.

He came like the lamb to be killed, when he comes back, He shall be like the Lion who Roars against those who are opposed to Him.

Do not be caught unprepared. My dear, you can't stand hellfire o.

Ubenedictus:
your pastors are allowed to lead people to Christ but it is forbidden for Mary to do so.


what type of stupidity has fallen on Protestant Christianity?

My pastor is alive, Mary is dead.

danvon:
While I don't like everything about the Catholic Church please it's not the great harlot..that's Israel

Lolzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Your understanding of scriptures is backward.

stephendamsoho:
A few questions. Why? what made you think I deserve all these negative pronouncements? did I insult you? did I curse you? did I embarrass you? did I hurt you? do you have a personal beef with me/op/the thread? are you having a bad day/month/year/life? are or you grieving? did you just lose something you cannot replace? how does my mentioning you make me deserving of this barrage of curses?

your curses don't affect me. no curse does and no curse can but I'm just wondering how stable your state of mind is to have descended into cursing people as beneath it shows what you want to happen. from you wanting me using permanent artificial heart to me getting dumb to me encountering disaster anytime I try to achieve something

Even when I was still a Christian, I couldn't make such pronunciations even when I'm most hurt. you really need a psychologist before you completely lose it

I didn't read this. The next time i will respond to you will be in a new thread you'll open.

sKeetz:
your jesus has been dead for 2000 plus years now.

I dont understand your obsession with a dead human.

And yet your constipation won't be cured no matter how many sachets of AndrewLiverSalt you drink over a 2000+years dead man?

Common get out if my face.

Gggg102:
you know, okcornel gave me a satisfactory answer to that question.


you posted a passage that said laws were for bad people and good people did not need the law because they are good without the law.

and I asked how you would know what is good and what is bad without the law. and you said by reading the Bible.

that means without the Bible, you can't differentiate between good and evil.
you still rely on the Law and the instructions of the apostles to know what is good and what is evil.

if you rely on the Bible, then you would not have known homosexuality was bad if it wasn't written in the law and if Paul had not spoken against it. so you depend on law and instructions of the apostles to know what is good.
you can't differentiate good and evil on your own even when it is said that good people can do so on their own.

or are you evil?

Sorry, i didn't read, i had a busy day, i can't add headache to an already stressed day.


Gerarahia.