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tintingz:
When he delete you from the surface of Nairaland then you will know he exist. Yeye folks

Seun has replied and we all see his post, that's enough sufficient evidence.

So you believe someone who owns and run this domain does not have physical identity? How then are we also certain you exist?

Awww. @bolded just paralyzed me. So you can believe YHWH who created you and the entire earth(domain) does not exists just because you can't see him, but we shd believe Seun exists because of Nairaland?

Wonderful.

I keep saying it, these kids don't doubt God's existence, the demons in them just won't let them accept His Lordship over them.

PastorAIO:
I've been on NL so long and I know many of the games you're playing already. I have no intention to muddy the field by jumping up and down with you from point to point.

I answer everything in chronological order. So I first address the prior post before I address the one asking about jibril etc. Having answered the earlier posts succinctly I then proceeded to answer the Jibril questions.

If you like say that you didn't see it, as if you are not alerted everytime your posts are quoted.

I have seen it and responded. Go back there, there questions to answer further.

ReinaFarine:
Oh baby, I'm not an atheist. But his argument for theism is as stupid as an agoraphobic person doubting the existence of the sun simply because he never stepped out.
Get better points.. What you listed here is just the stupid rantings of a bored illiterate. Ciao.

Hahahahahahahahaba. Mua, baby gi? Anwalam ooo. Lekwa?

That's exactly how stupid it sounds when a man says there's no God because they can't see him. Even when they know He is a Spirit hence; can't be seen with physical eyes.

God left nature for man to see and know He exists, but you guys, decides to keep stupidly shouting, 'Show us God physically'. Taaaaaaaaaa. puwor.

You know satan hadn't changed his tactics. He went to Jesus and, 'If you are the Son of God, turn this stones into bread and i will believe you are'. It's the same thing he is still saying through atheists today.

Now, show me Seun or i don't believe he exists.

PastorAIO:
first question:
I am as unsure of muhammed being a prophet as I am unsure of Isaiah or Ezekiel or any other prophet

Good, this is where you and i will begin a discussion.

If you are unsure of these people being prophets sent by the same Source, why are you here? What is your base for this discussion? You are basing your assertions on assumptions.

Am very unsure of Hindus and Buddhist having the same idealogies, you don't see me dabbling into their discussions.

Again, what are you basing your facts on?

PastorAIO:
second question:
Is Gabriel Jibril? Yes. Resoundingly. Just as Yashua is Issa. And James is Yacob is Diego is Iago.
just like the first letter of the hebrew alphabet is Aleph and the first letter of the Arab alphabet is alif. And Z is Zain in hebrew and zayn in arabic

On what bases are you giving a resounding 'Yes?', on assumptions. You are unsure of these things yet you give a resounding Yes?

Now, lets work with your assumption and suppose for a minute that your assumptions are correct. Are you judging these characters as the same entity base of their lexicon or on their Modus Operandi? because i see you using morphology of the words to assume they are they same.

We may have to go down to the etymology of those words to get their meanings, then we will know if these names are fabricated to sound as the same.

James is Jacob?

Now, can we talk about their Modus Operandi? We know a man by what he says and follows up to do them. We know of Gabriel of the Bible appearing gently without inflicting fear or forcing anyone to do anything. Why is Jibril different?

You mean Gabriel called Jesus the son of God to the Jews, and called the same Jesus a slave to Arabs? Really?
Why didn't Gabriel for at least one try having body contact with the prophets of old?
Why press down Muhammed to the point of suffocation before forcing words out of him?

Pls answer this according.

PastorAIO:
These two languages are cousins and words and names are shared by the two cultures in their different pronounciations.

Oga, am not talking about their languages or the syntax of their languages. Am talking about the entities.
If you give a resounding Yes to the question if Gabriel is Jibril, you'll be saying YHWH is Allah. That will put you in a position to explain why the Jews in Yathrib didn't worship Allah as Abdullah did.

If you keep insisting that it's a matter of languages and their syntax, you'd have to explain to me why the Muslims don't walk into Synagogues and worship Allah.

Why will a Nigerian Christian find himself in Germany, a people of a strange tongue, but he walks into a Church to worship instead of a Mosque?

PastorAIO:
Jews say 'Shalom'
Arabs say 'Salaam'

This validates your claim of YHWH being Allah how?

PastorAIO:
Third question:
Allah is as much Yahweh as Yahweh is El. El is the term for god and Allah is the term for God and it seems that the two words are even related etymologically.

Do you know that God is not a name of any Deity?

God is a title like Chief, King, Madam and Sir.

All the Kings, Chiefs, Sirs and Madams have their personal individual names. So your claim is as invalid as they come.

Allah is not a name of a particular god, it's a title. In Arabic, Allah means god and that could mean any God.
The Allah (god) that Muhammad's progenitors worshipped had a personal name which Muslims abrogated just like they abrogated the daughters of allah Allat Malat and Uzza. his name of Hūbal. The same baal which YHWH commanded his people never to worship.
If you stand on the pedestal of EL means God and Allah means god, you'sink, because El is a title and has his personal name.

PastorAIO:
Fourth question:
Oh, there's no fourth question.

Once again, you failed woefully.

No matter how well satan masquerades, he can't be God.

O Well, there are some who will serve him irrespective, they are those the Bible calls Vessels fitted for destruction.

PastorAIO:
Don't need you to read. All the points have been treated satisfactorily for the discerning mind.

Where did you answer if YHWH is Allah, if He sent Jibril, and if Jibril and Gabriel are the same entity?

Did YHWH send Muhammed? Pls point me where you answered this.

You were running around dragging on issues that are irrelevant to my points in discourse.

PastorAIO:
I think that you read my posts the same way that you read your bible and that is why you are misquoting me anyhow.

You can understand the bible anyway you want to under the aegis that you are a christian (while I am a sorcerer, lolz).

But the fact remains that that passage in Isaiah chapter 14 was as a whole directed at the King of Babylon who was conquered by the Persians.

He was likened unto the planet Venus, Lucifer, (in it's phase as Eosphorus/morning star) which is known for it's brightness yet undergoes regular occultation. Venus is probably the brightest star in the sky from earth.

The same way that Venus is eventually occulted after dominating the morning sky is likened unto the fall of empires after they dominate the known world.

Nothing about challenging Yahoo.

Jesus too is often referred to as the bright morning star.

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Revelation 22 16

In fact venus has had such a strong impact on human imagination that her brightness is often used to describe deities in their dominance.

Wikipedia Quetzalcoatl

Wikipedia Inanna

Didn't read. Treat the main points.

How are you sure that the Yahoo that you're worshiping is not a demon too, like the other gods of other cultures? What is your evidence?



On the matter of checking the Messenger, consider this:

11Now an old prophet lived in Bethel. And his sonsa came and told him all that the man of God had done that day in Bethel. They also told to their father the words that he had spoken to the king. 12And their father said to them, “Which way did he go?” And his sons showed him the way that the man of God who came from Judah had gone. 13And he said to his sons, “Saddle the donkey for me.” So they saddled the donkey for him and he mounted it. 14And he went after the man of God and found him sitting under an oak. And he said to him, “Are you the man of God who came from Judah?” And he said, “I am.” 15Then he said to him, “Come home with me and eat bread.” 16And he said, “I may not return with you, or go in with you, neither will I eat bread nor drink water with you in this place, 17for it was said to me by the word of the Lord, ‘You shall neither eat bread nor drink water there, nor return by the way that you came.’” 18And he said to him, “I also am a prophet as you are, and an angel spoke to me by the word of the Lord, saying, ‘Bring him back with you into your house that he may eat bread and drink water.’” But he lied to him. [/b]19So he went back with him and ate bread in his house and drank water.

20And as they sat at the table, [b]the word of the Lord came to the prophet who had brought him back. 21And he cried to the man of God who came from Judah, “Thus says the Lord, ‘Because you have disobeyed the word of the Lord and have not kept the command that the Lord your God commanded you, 22but have come back and have eaten bread and drunk water in the place of which he said to you, “Eat no bread and drink no water,” your body shall not come to the tomb of your fathers.’” 1Kings 13



So we see here an established prophet of Yahoo lying through his teeth, and Yahoo didn't mind but still gave him a word of prophecy to speak at the dinner table.


consider this:

Balaam, son of Beor, was not an Israelite. He was a diviner who was consulted to curse Israel. Yet he managed to summon Yahoo by making sacrifices on the altars of Baal and when Yahoo came, he got a message from Yahoo for the Israelites...


“The oracle of Balaam the son of Beor,
the oracle of the man whose eye is opened,a
4the oracle of him who hears the words of God,
who sees the vision of the Almighty,
falling down with his eyes uncovered:
5How lovely are your tents, O Jacob,
your encampments, O Israel!
6Like palm grovesb that stretch afar,
like gardens beside a river,
like aloes that the Lord has planted,
like cedar trees beside the waters.
7Water shall flow from his buckets,
and his seed shall be in many waters;
his king shall be higher than Agag,
and his kingdom shall be exalted.
8God brings him out of Egypt
and is for him like the horns of the wild ox;
he shall eat up the nations, his adversaries,
and shall break their bones in pieces
and pierce them through with his arrows.
9He crouched, he lay down like a lion
and like a lioness; who will rouse him up?
Blessed are those who bless you,
and cursed are those who curse you.”
Numbers 24

Is Balaam's prophecy to be rejected because he was not an Israelite. In fact he is known as the one who lured Israelites into worshiping foreign gods etc.


14But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, so that they might eat food sacrificed to idols and practice sexual immorality. -Revelations 2[/quote]

PastorAIO:
How do you know that angels don't worship angels? Did you invent that one, or did you get the revelation in a dream? Or maybe you read it in your own special edition of the bible?

I will only respond to you if you treat my posts.

PastorAIO:
26God, having raised up his servant, sent him to you first, to bless you by turning every one of you from your wickedness.” - Acts 3

What is this?

PastorAIO:
Actually I'm not here to engage in senseless arguments with you. I stated my point for entering this discussion. I will now again, state clearly why I am here.


You are making false claims left right and center with the objective of accumulating power to assuage your turbulent hateful mind. You think, falsely, that if you can acquire some kind of authority to dictate what is true and right then you will not feel so disturbed in your soul.
You probably don't know that this is what you are doing, but I'll demonstrate it to you.

I have a particularly strong distaste for this kind of behaviour and I am determined to expose you. Of course you may decide to not respond to me, that doesn't matter because I'm actually more concerned for the other people who might read these threads.

You have said nothing.

The post i made which you saw and jumped in is whether or not Muhammed was a channel used by YHWH. Instead of treating that, you are speaking grammar.

Was muhammed a prophet of YHWH?

Is Gabriel Jirbil?

Is Allah YHWH?

Treat these and stop the grammar.

[quote author=frank317 post=65027994]You equated them with ur almighty God when u said u were all worshiping the same God. You said the source is the same but the channel was different. [/quote
The source is not the same o. ]

Deadlytruth:
1 Cor. 4:20 says "the kingdom of God is not about talk talk talk (repetitional emphasis mine) but about power."

Ironically our JW brothers focus more on talking and actually attempt to have their way by talking other Christians down, and when they do so they insinuate that why other Christians don't reply them is because their talk is the unchangeable truth whereas the other Christians' reason for not dignifying them with a response is simply because of this verse.
But with the very little response some of us the other Christians have given them on this thread alone, they are already shiting and urinating in their pants and crying of persecution and campaign of calumny against their organization.
I hope with their experience on this thread they'll understand that Christianity is more about manifestation of the power of God than empty self glorification talks and sharing propaganda magazines from street to street and house to house.

That's it. Since there's no manifestation of power in the kingdom they go about preaching, all they have is talk and trying to out talk other Christians.

I wish they can talk their talking to Kano.

MuttleyLaff:
It hasn't reached Naija yet,
but I can bet my bottom dollar, it's a matter of time.
Olamide's "Chemistry Student" song is incognito warming people up to it.

You read and see what you want.
I correctly referred to it as bath salts,
How you managed to to have seen bathing salts, I don't know

Bath salts are manmade drugs

Oh, i get it now. Flakka is called 'Bath salt?'. That's why i said i didnt get it.

MuttleyLaff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtFCzu74e30
Flakka in America,
is a form of bath salts
Listen and watch to the above video
to hear and see the after effects

I have seen videos of flakka victims. Clear demon possession, but how one can be possessed by taken a drug bits me.

How is it a form of bathing salt and how does it connect with a Christian bathing salt.

segmond:
Please where is Jesus picture? I have never see his pic.

Go to google.

ReinaFarine:
On the 12th day, God said, "Let there be stupid" and created @bingbagbo

So you see how stupid you sound when you say there's no God?

Tozara:
This is by far the MOST RETÃRDED thread on nairaland.

The OP is a big fool.

See? This is why the Bible says you are a fool. Now the table is turned you have seen clearly how ridiculous you are when you say there's no God.

asuustrike2009:
Where is his pic?

I don't want his pics, it could be anyone's. YHWh manifested Himself in Jesus, they still for Him to show Himself in person outside of Jesus. Jesus's pictures are everywhere, they say it's not Jesus. I want to seun in person walking and talking or, he is myth.

bingbagbo:
They say a certain seun created Nairaland but I don't believe it.
Nairaland has no creator, it existed on its own
I have never seen the so called seun before
I have never heard his voice
Yet some fools say he exists
Seun does not exist


NNonsense

I totally agree. seun does not exist.

exlinklodge:
Giving Your January Salary To A Pastor As First Fruit Is Foolishness & Sinful - Daddy Freeze

Controversial OAP, #FreeTheSheeple convener and #TitheAgaintPoverty initiator, Daddy Freeze has come up with yet another great message to educate the people he calls "sheeple" on what is correct and incorrect according to the bible.

Because of his resilient attitude and the way he criticizes some men of God, his life has been threatened severally and even a certain man of God said he is not going to make it to this new year. But guess what, he is here in 2018 and he is still enlightening the sheeples.

In his latest Instagram post, he said and I quote: "Giving your pastor your January salary as your first fruit is foolishness and sinful".

See his post below and video of his teachings with clear evidence in the bible.


More @ http://www.exlinklodge.com/2018/01/giving-your-january-salary-to-pastor-as.html?m=1


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3QMUu3kIPY?t=3
https://www.instagram.com/p/BdfIMJrn0K7/?taken-by=daddyfreeze

How is this painful to you? Are you his wife? Did you give him the money he asked?

You sound like a kid. Do you think someone who when he has 700k in his account he terms it broke will come begging from you? Your speech here doesn't seem like you are entrepreneur or you won't have all the time you have in your hands to be here always.

So, if he has 700k in his account aside his hustles, how much did he come to get from you since he considered himself broke at rate?

How did you know what he has in his account at every given time? Are you blatantly lying?

Insult me if you like, am expecting it. Now fire.

MuttleyLaff:
Good post
Meanwhile, there was no science as such in biblical times to understand neurons
So, of course the neurotic man Jesus healed for lack of a better word and/or understanding was put him down as being "demon possessed"

Jesus knew that the man has some unpleasant brain effects causing his anxiety and neurotic behaviour
and so merely just restored the chemical imbalance in the man's head to heal him.

There is a spirit or demons, of course behind the man's neurotic behaviour, which got casted off into the herd of pigs

Get a christian and/or believer to take bath salts', then standby to watch the manifestations of spirits or demons

Please put some extravagant and generous meat on the emboldened
What are you saying here?
As I dont seem to follow

Pls expatiate more on the bolded. Don't get it.

Originakalokalo:
God is still God.

The guy has already overstepped his boundaries this time.

Satan has already overstepped his binderies since. He is used using them to blaspheme to their own peril.

There was one thread here long ago by a clown called Melin. How I (Melin)became a satanist. All these guys here claiming atheism were there asking questions on how to get direct contact to satan. What they can do to have a demon do what they wanted. Some wanted to get what they wanted without human or blood sacrifice. On that thread i knew that Hinduism and Buddhism is Satanism.

Some complained of almost getting through, but all of a sudden another entity interfaces and interferes with the ritual. Do you know what Melin said? He said, the spirit or entity which usually interferes is the Holy Spirit, and that to get themselves far from the Holy Spirit, they must blaspheme against Him continually if not, He(the Holy Spirit) will keep interfering to stop the passage to the realm of demons. In other words, save them.

So, when i see them blaspheming, i know why. They are fighting for acceptance by satan.

When i call them demons possessed some don't understand why.

Deadlytruth:
The way they cry and wail inconsolably about their experiences in prosecution leaves one wondering whether the apostles who rejoiced for being flogged by the Sanhedrin were different from the disciples whom Jesus forewarned of persecution and asked them to joyfully count it as spiritual gain.
And these people try everyday to convince others that they are the alpha and omega as regards scriptural knowledge and interpretation.
People are known by their fruits and not by their utterances.
Meanwhile who will cry for the unquantifiable persecution, physically and spiritually, endured by the Anglican and Catholic missionaries who on arrival had to contend against the powers of territorial deities and spirits that inhabited most parts of Africa coupled with physical resistance by savage native tribes?
Empty containers actually make the loudest noise.

You know, you just raised a very valid point here. I'm beginning to see that these people wail over persecution trying to convince the ignorant that it is so because they are the real Christians. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, l laugh in higher case.
They have no miracles to show the power of God in theie midst, hence, the persecution. I see.

The second point is so true. They wait for Christiandom to go to war with savage angry tribes and win, before they come in with their bags and umbrellas knocking on doors. Satan can not fight satan.

PastorAIO:
Nor be quarrel o!

It appears you are here just to argue for aguement sake. I'm not, and I may not respond to you after now. I have made my points clearly for any interested reader to see.

PastorAIO:
You seem to be suggesting that we should check the messenger before we can accept the message. If the messenger is not a yahoow worshipper then is that enough to discard the message? That is my point. you have said the message and the messenger have to be treated together and cannot be separated. I hoped to show you that that comment was not biblical.

Yes, that is what i'm saying in clear terms. Reason is, satan is a clever, lair who challenged YHWH that him also shall sit on a throne and be worshipped as YHWH, and since i know that Angels, albeit fallen, do not worship themselves, and they are no other beings with the intelligence to offer worship but Man, man remains Satan's target. Hence, he is here accepting worship.

Satan has done a good job of masquerading himself as gods by sending his demons to represent him in all human cultures. He is good as mixing little truths with lies with the intend to mislead.

He will take a little from the Bible, mix it with a lie, and the lazy ignorant who won't study for him/herself will just swallow everything to their peril. So Yes, I check the Messenger before accepting the messenger. As a matter of fact, Check the source of the messenger to be on the safe side.

YHWH is consistent, hence there's need to question any inconsistency in the message any messenger brings. E.g. Gabriel of the Bible says, Jesus is the Son of God. Jibril of the koran believed to be the same Gabriel says Jesus is a slave of Allah. I believe Gabriel of the Bible, why? He had given that message to somany prophets in the past, saying the same thing.

But, if you choose to believe the Jibril. Good for you.

My comment is Biblical because, YHWH Himself says that, for ua to know that he sent a messenger with the message, we should check if what that messenger says comes to pass. if not, he is fake. That's why i asked you to list the prophecies of your Muhammed and point how many are fulfilled.

PastorAIO:
The point I am making is that your point (and note I have been addressing all your points though you claimed that I haven't) that you cannot consider the message without considering the messenger is utterly false.

You haven't addressed any sir. You have been cleverly dodging the questions i raised from the previous post i made from where you jumped in from. You left everything out. That's to you. Gabriel never failed to inform anyone he was sent with a message who he was. He always says in Luke 1:13 He said Fear Not and Verse 19 he said, 'I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings'
Luke:1:19
This is how we know; As Zacharia got home that night, he slept with his very aged wife, she got pregnant and had a son and named him John, as the Angel had said. Believe what you want.

PastorAIO:
I have absolutely no idea. I wasn't there, and when I read the account of it in the bible I wasn't counting. Perhaps you'd like to tell us how many times, and also how that is relevant to anything.

What then was your motive when you came here prancing about calling them prophets?

It is relevant you because you called the Heathen Kings Prophets of YHWH and you insinuated that, if YHWH could use Neco of Egypt to warn Josiah, that makes Neco a Prophet of YHWH, hence He(YHWH] could use muhammed of Arabia with divergent message from what He had given before.

Sorry, Muhammed is a False Prophet. You can't win in this one.

PastorAIO:
Menh, with this your criteria we can toss out the entire bible. Do you know how many unfulfilled prophecies there are in the bible?

You can start mentioning some pls. Mind you, one is brewing right now as we speak. And, if you(the muslims) are told to stop hating and pursuing after the Nation of Israel, you won't hear. Ezekiel chapters 36, 37, 38, and 39 is about to be fulfilled.

Pls mention the ones which are not fulfilled, let me swallow you with the fulfilled ones. Am waiting. You will have to begin with Babylon.

PastorAIO:
Yep, I have read the bible and the same bible told me how wonderful Josiah was and how there was no other king in the whole history of Israel that was like Josiah. And it also tells us why Yahoo was so angry and it wasn't because Josiah did any falling away. He remained staunchly faithful to Yahweh

Yes, Josiah was wonderful, but went to war without enquering from his God abi? God had to use the mouth of a Heathen King to warn his stubborn heart to retrieve, yet he disobeyed. To you he was an excellent king abi. Weytin concern Josiah with that War in the first place? Abegi.

PastorAIO:
You are going to have to show me where the bible says that Jeroboam put a Bull on Mt Gerizim because my bible doesn't say that anywhere. The Samaritans worshipped on Mt Gerizim and they weren't worshipping a Bull. Jesus himself acknowledged that they were worshipping the same God.

But, you bragged about having a Bible nau. E no dey for your own Bible? Or as usual you have an intent to mislead? Here it is.
1 Kings 12:26-31 (Good News Bible)
[b]He (Jeroboam) said to himself, “As things are now, if my people go to Jerusalem and offer sacrifices to the Lord in the Temple there, they will transfer their allegiance to King Rehoboam of Judah and will kill me.”

After thinking it over, he made two (bull-calves) of gold and said to his people, “You have been going long enough to Jerusalem to worship.

People of Israel, here are your gods who brought you out of Egypt!” He placed one of the gold bull-calves in Bethel and the other in Dan.

And so the people sinned, going to worship in Bethel and in Dan. Jeroboam also built places of worship on hilltops, and he chose priests from families who were not of the tribe of Levi.[/quote]

PastorAIO:
So what is my point? My point is that your claim that because someone isn't worshipping in the temple therefore they cannot be worshipping Yahoo is utterly false and quite unbiblical.

I didn't say that. Pls do not misquote me. I said, long before Muhammed was born, his grand father, Al Muttalab, and his father Abdulla worshipped Allah in the Arabic Peninsular. Jews were also there worshipping their YHWH, they never worshipped in the same worshipping place. If Allah and Yahweh are the same Deity, they would have of course worshipped together. There were Christians there too, but they never worshipped what Al Muttalab or Abdulla worshipped.

The Kaaba then wasn't exclusively the house of Allah, it was called 'the house god', as all the gods worshipped in that area had an efigy made and placed there as a representative. Allah was there too.

It is even said that the statue of the Catholic Mary, mother of Jesus was there. But the owners of these deities never gathered at the Kaaba to worship until Muhammed came along killing people, clearing off other idols leaving only his own. He even removed the daughters of allah, Alat, Malat and Uzzah leaving allah childless.

PastorAIO:
The writers of the Dead Sea Scrolls were Jews and they had no regard for the temple.

What did they write? They had no regard for the Temple or they didn't have one as it was destroyed?

PastorAIO:
And thank you for further establishing my point by pointing out that after the temple was destroyed Jews continued in the worship of Yahweh

Yes they did. But, i didn't establish your point. The point you are trying to make is, Muhammed was a prophet of YHWH albeit, an Arab. That's why you brought in the Heathen Kings YHWH talked to and you called them prophets. And, am here proving to you that that is a big lie.

Jews will continue to worship YHWH they way they are doing now until the person of AntiChrist is revealed, at the verge of him (The Antichrist) imposing himself to them to be worshipped as God, the veil which has covered their hearts all the while to deny Jesus as their messiah, will be taken away, and they will embrace Christ.

PastorAIO:
How do you know that they weren't arabic jews or that arabic jews weren't amongst them.

I'm a Cameroonian born and raised in Nigeria. Am i a Nigerian or Cameronian?

PastorAIO:
How do you know that Jews did not refer to Yahweh as Allah? After all missionaries to africa told us that Yahweh is Eledumare. In fact it is a common thing that when they meet a new culture they appropriate the names of local deities to use for Yahweh.

Missionaries told you that Eledumare is YHWH? And these Missionaries happened to be Jews right?

Are there Jews in Nigeria?
Does Eledumare have a worship place?

How many Jews or Christians have you seen worshipping there?

Did the missionaries worship in Eledumare's temple? (Pls note, a Temple is a worship place)

I'm not Yoruba, so i won't really know this, but i often Yorubas call YHWH Oluwa. Is Oluwa tje same as Eledumare?

You for real do not know the Jews. The Jews do not Assimilate. It's the same thing the muslims have copied. If they do, they would have lost their mother tongue in all the years of exile if they do.

A Jew can never be like You, never. There are strick, unbending and uncompromising. That's why, when you don't flow with the trent, you're called a Jew.

Even if the whole world accepts to do a thing as right, if a Jew has seen it to be wrong, a Jew will never do it. He'd rather die.

This your lie here enh. Jews calling YHWH Eladumare. Na waoooo

A Jew can not even call their God by name YHWH, they rather use LORD, yet they call him Allah or Eledumare?. Taaaaa.

PastorAIO:
Nope, I didn't say that Jesus Challenged Yahweh. I meant to say that you don't know what you are talking about and that your understanding of that passage has too many holes in it.

You a sorcerer, understands the Bible better than a Christian okwaya? Now listen. Follow the Context there and tell me who that passage is referring to. Pls stop making a jest of yourself.

If you say because Jesus is called the Bright and the Morning Star, He is Lucifer, and if Isa 14 is talking about Lucifer, then it's talking about Jeaus, meaning Jesus challenged YHWH, because the Luficer in Isa 14 challenged YHWH. You are not clever by half.

PastorAIO:
1st hole.... Lucifer is a reference to the Planet Venus

2nd hole ... Jesus too is referred to as the bright and morning star.

3rd hole.... numerous passages in the prophets about being brought low from a high place and being humbled or brought down to Hell have often being ascribed to Jesus.

Lolzzzzz.
1. Bring this passages that talked about Jesus being humbled and being brought down to hell. Let analyze them.

2. You invariably said, Venus challenged YHWH in Isa 14.
3. Oga, stop with the deceit. Only satan is a master of deceit. Oh, wait!!!!!, the deep calleth to the deep.

PastorAIO:
and many other holes but those 3 are good to start with.

Hahahahahahahahha. Am waiting for you to bring up the scriptures let's really poke holes on your assertions. Abeg stop lying. Lairs have their place in hellfire.

Dwayndlight:
Wait

No matter how educated you are, you must always be analytical and also think rationally when handling real life situation no matter your religion, background, ethic or what have you

Else you’re still very ignorant and your brain is blocked

Of course if we don’t give John benefit of a doubt and think maybe he has another reason Peculiar to him we will be wrong. I’m not speaking for the brainwashed thousands.

As I was typing and using my J just hrd where’s ashafa or we will start shooting, I tot who are these noisemakers but on twicking my head a little to the right I saw Aks and men in Black, FSARS.

I had to make it on a bus before completing this.

Your lies dey smell from there to here. This John, who has two side hustles,and that was not his first month at the job is so broke to call you a broke ass Naijabet player for money? Chai hahahahahahahahaha.

John no get savings Okwaya? Him wife no dey work abi? Abeg sharap dia.

Dwayndlight:
Wait

No matter how educated you are, you must always be analytical and also think rationally when handling real life situation no matter your religion, background, ethic or what have you

Else you’re still very ignorant and your brain is blocked

Of course if we don’t give John benefit of a doubt and think maybe he has another reason Peculiar to him we will be wrong. I’m not speaking for the brainwashed thousands.

As I was typing and using my J just hrd where’s ashafa or we will start shooting, I tot who are these noisemakers but on twicking my head a little to the right I saw Aks and men in Black, FSARS.

I had to make it on a bus before completing this.

Your lies dey smell from there to here. This John, who has two side hustles,and that was not his first month at the job is so broke to call you a broke ass Naijabet player for money? Chai hahahahahahahahaha.

Jhon no get savings Okwaya? Him wife no dey work abi? Abeg sharap dia.

hopeforcharles:
If na Islam this guy tried this nonsense he is a goner, a dead meat, please people should learn to respect people's religion and if you wants to quit you leave with out dishonoring the religion

Don't worry bros, we are used to it. Sagan's tactics hasn't changed. If he were ever a Church, come sunday, his seat will be occupied and many more shall be added.
Immediately Judas left. Mathias replaced him. Barnabas, steven, Silas, plenty came in. Ahhhh. Dis no dey worry me lailai.

The deep calleth to the deep.

Ronpet777:
U have made ur point so very clearly and I hv read extensively abt it and I am even still doing more research cos I find this illumination so fascinating.
In all humility I can assure you that I submit to being wrong abt Yahweh our God and their own Allah. I see the difference with every study I make. I went tru many books and allusions were made to d Quran for confirmation. I am still in shock from the things I hv read abt Mohammad and his msg and his God.

May YHWH be praised.

removetheturban:
Is the Holy Spirit at work in you?

Yes, He is. He is not you?

providence338:
Basically yes. Every mormon is taught what was shown in that video. To be fair however Mormonism, like most cults, has an organization within an organization. Behind-closed-doors secret satanic rituals are performed by high-ranking members, hidden from the larger congregation. Furthermore, mormons are no different from Jehovah's Witness, Catholics, 7th Day Adventists, and other cult groups which places man as an of intermediary before their God. The men in these positions wield powerful mind-control techniques (witchcraft), casting spells over their congregants in order to keep them from reading the true word of God, as led by the Holy Spirt and not the interpretation given by their wicked leaders (Watchtower Society, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, pope, etc).

For example, mormons are taught the Bible is corrupt, therefore they have created their own bible called the "JST" or Joseph Smith Translation of the KJV. They also read the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price (a clear reference to the parable in Matt 13:46). They're completely unaware (or don't care) that adding to the Holy Bible is a clear violation of Rev 22:18 because they don't READ the Holy Bible... they've invented their own.

Your average Catholic doesn't read the Bible... they read the catechisms. JWs don't read the Bible, they read the New World Translation (NWT) which is NOT the Bible. And so on... classic signs of a cult.

Mormons believe that 33rd degree Freemason Joseph Smith (not even mormon Jesus, lol) is coming back as their savior, even though this man was killed by a gang of armed men, fed up with his polygamous philandering (Joseph Smith had up to 40 wives, several of whom were married to other men).

Despite their claims to the contrary, mormon doctrine promotes polygamy, bigamy, and pedophilia. The reason they were banished to the other side of the United States (west coast) is because the US government wanted no part of Mormon culture, and their sick fascination and obsession with s*x.

I don't have the time to even delve into the chief Mormon Temple in Salt Lake City Utah, and all the wickedness that occurs underneath temple grounds. The LDS temple is almost the equivalent to the Vatican, where high-level black magic occurs behind closed doors, ie s*xual ritual abuse, child molestation, human blood sacrifice, infant sacrifice, etc. Nor do I have time to discuss how mormonism is simply a thinly veiled version of freemasonry, the religion of luciferians. Here's just one of many links of the LDS temples throughout the country displaying the blatant occult symbols of the god they worship which is satan, and NOT God.

http://www.mormonoutreach.org/occult-symbols-explained.php

https://i2.wp.com/lifeafter.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/nauvoo-4-with-text.jpg

I'm totally shocked. Oh human beings can believe anything and anyone o.

One dey for Niaraland here dey preach Olumba Obu as God in person. The first God Olumba died, the second god Olumba had taken over. Wonderdul.

Deadlytruth:
Had a single Kingdom Hall been attacked by Boko Haram, the JWs would have repeatedly made it headlines in their magazines as evidence of persecution of the "true religion", and be accusing Christendom.
But here we are with the victim Christian churches not even making any issues out of the attacks because they know that persecution should normally be expected as Christ had forewarned them.
The other denominations secretly rejoice to find themselves worthy of persecution and tribulations for Christ while JWs resent and cry against in through every means available to them.

No be small. Dem still dey cry about their members that Hitler killed till today like say only dem Hitler killes.

Wait, these people are not expecting to be persecuted?

PastorAIO:
The bible mentions 3 means of communicating with God. Dreams, Divination and Prophecy.

And when Saul inquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.
1Samuel 28:6

The Urim and Thummin were not the only divination tool, they also mention the casting of lots.

The prophets through whom he sent his messages and meted out his justice were not always YHWH worshippers either.

‘Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: Behold, I will send and take Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and I will set his throne above these stones that I have hidden, and he will spread his royal canopy over them.
- Jeremiah 43:10

Nebuchadnezzar did not worship Yaahoow yet he was used in his service.

Cyrus the Great did not worship Yaahoow yet he was called his Messiah.

20 After all this, when Josiah had prepared the temple, Neco king of Egypt went up to fight at Carchemish on the Euphrates, and Josiah went out to meet him. 21 But he sent envoys to him, saying, “What have we to do with each other, king of Judah? I am not coming against you this day, but against the house with which I am at war. And God has commanded me to hurry. Cease opposing God, who is with me, lest he destroy you.” 22 Nevertheless, Josiah did not turn away from him, but disguised himself in order to fight with him. He did not listen to the words of Neco from the mouth of God, but came to fight in the plain of Megiddo. 23 And the archers shot King Josiah. - 2 Chronicles 35

It seems that Yahoo is well capable of using people who don't give a damn about him as prophetic mouthpieces.

Na quarrel? Am glad you quoted the Scripture to back up your points. A reader of what you wrote here will see that God speaks in clear terms, He doesn't leave you guessing except He wants the matter sealed.

Let's establish certain facts here.
1YHWH is sovereign over His creation. He can use anyone He pleases to bring to pass His purposes, whether that person worships Him or not.

Like you mentioned, Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus, and Neco of Egypt were Heathen kings, yet YHWH used them to show forth his sovereignty. This shows that YHWH is Sovereign over His creation. He can use anyone to bring to pass His purposes, but He never does that hidden.

I guess the point you are trying to make here is, If YHWH could use these Heathens and call them His servants, why can't He use Muhammad?. He could if Muhammad didn't live when YHWH had decided that men come to Him only through one Channel, His Son YASHUA.

How many prophecies did YHWH give through these Heathen kings you mentioned since they were servants of His?

If Muhammed was YHWH Prophets as you are trying to make it seem, How many of YHWH's prophecies did Muhammed prophesy and how many have been fulfilled so far? since YHWH Himself says that the sign that He has called a prophet is that, what that Prophet says comes to.pass, how many have come to.pass?

PastorAIO:
Can a Pharaoh of Egypt be a prophet of God, and be used to kill God's favoured King of Judah, just because he is a 'mysterious' God, I guess.

You didn't show where it says he was a prophet of God.

PastorAIO:
So Josiah the favoured King of Judah who rebuilt the temple of Yahoo and reinstated his true worship was killed by the Pharaoh of Egypt who gave him a message from Yahoo but he did not heed it.

May be you shd read the same Bible you quoted from to see how many kings started well with YHWH but fell off at last. If you read you see that even Solomon the Great who was the first to built the Temple, derailed and later built temples to Egyptian and Assyrian gods side by side YHWH's Temple. If he didn't repent, a strong thing would have happened to him.

Shd i mention the Jewish kings who met their deads in the hands of the enemy nations?

PastorAIO:
If the God of the Samaritans is the same as the Hebrew God then why didn't they worship in the same temple? Why did they worship on Mt. Gerizim instead?

So you only read the passages you want to twist and mislead? How did you know the Samaritans worshipped at Mt. Gerizim but didn't know why they did that? Oh wait!!!, You do, but you can't stand to point to YHWH as the God who abhors idol worship.

Now, here is why Samaritans worshipped in Mt. Gerizim. because of Solomon's Escapades with strange women, YHWH was very angry with him, although, he repented, but YHWH had prophesied that the kingdom will be divided into two, giving half to a servant. But that will happen in the days of Solomon's son's reign. It happened.

King Rehoboam was Solomon's Son, but Jeroboam was an Army officer in Jeroboam's Army. God anionted him king and gave him 10 tribes of Israel leaving Jeroboam with 2 tribes in Judah. Thus, Israel became divided into two kingdoms.

Samaria became the Headquarters of Israel, while Jerusalem became the headquarter of Judah.

Over time Jeroboam became insecure that as the Israelites kept going to the temple in Jerusalem to worship YHWH, they may reject him as the true king because, they indeed knew he was not a descendant of Abraham, hence, he blocked the borders and stopped the people from going to Jerusalem.
He inatead erected a statue of a Bull in Mt. Gerizim and forced the Israelites to worship it. This is how the Samaritans

PastorAIO:
Why did the writers of the Dead Sea scrolls not worship in the Temple? Why did no Jews go to the temple anymore after 70 AD?

Who were the writers of the Dead Sea Scrolls?
Did you not hear that General Titus destroyed the Temple sending the Jews to exile? But, did that stopped the Jews from worshipping their YHWH?

PastorAIO:
Why did you lie (or was it an honest mistake?) that arabic Jews were worshipping in the temple before Muhammed was born when the Temple was destroyed in 70AD?

That was a mistake. They worshipped YHWH while in Yathrib, and never worahipped Allah.

And, they not Arabic Jews, they just lived there.

What i expected from you is to touch the points i raised, but you dodged all of them.

Was Allah being worshipped while the Jews were living in Yathrib(Mecca)? If yes, why didn't the Jews worship allah as YHWH then? Why were their places of worship different Allah is YHWH? I expected you to answer this.

PastorAIO:
Lucifer that is being referred to here is the planet Venus. Lucifer has always been the name for the planet Venus. it is also known as the Bright Morning star. Guess who else was given this name of Morning Star? Yep, that's right, Jesus himself. Indeed Jesus is exalted above the Hosts of Heaven, i.e The Stars of God.

And Jesus was the one who challenged YHWH in Isa 14:12-13?
Are you seriously serious? Hahahahahahahahaha.
Gerarahia mehn.

So YHWH said the following to Venues or Jesus?
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isaiah:14:12

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isaiah:14:13

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isaiah:14:14

Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isaiah:14:15

Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isaiah:14:15

They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isaiah:14:16

That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isaiah:14:17
But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
Isaiah:14:19

You mean YHWH said this to Jesus or the planet Venus? Yeah right. Your humour is well noted.

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