greatnaija01: WAS JESUS DREAMING WHEN HE CAME TO EARTH? kindly answer intelligently.
In a way Yes. Bocs, Jesus is a Spirit. He created the material world and set up rules to guide it. First rule, to enter this material reality, you do that by being born as flesh, and the only means of leaving is by dying. When Him, being a Spirit needed to come here, He had to take flesh and be born as human to enable Him function in this dimention. And When He was to return back to His default state, He died.
Why did i say YES? Here is why. While He laid on the Tomb for three days, we judged Him dead, but was He really dead? No, He wasn't. He descended to Hades where Satan had kept Souls in Captivity, taking over the keys of the Kingdom of the earth which was rightfully Adam's. Destroyed the Fear of Death truimphing over it.
For Him to begin His earthly ministry, He being God in the flesh (Remember, flesh is lower than Spirit) He went through a 40 days 40 nights fasting. Why? because, Fasting is a state of hibernation in the fleah to connect to the spiritual to draw from it what you desire and make it manifest on earth (Matetial dimension). Why do you think He did that.
Was Jesus Physically present and active in heaven while he were on earth? Do you think He'd be praying always if He was?
You sleep or become inactive in a particular dimension, to dream or fucntion in another dimension. You have seen this movie, Avatar? you'd undertand what i am trying to say here.
Your Op is misleading. It should be 'Christ Mission FOR the Seventy not TO the Seventy'. You made it seem like Christ travelled to a place called 'Seventy'.
Arondizuogu: Jealousy ke? I was only surprises that the kids also are pastors, which means it's a family run business. Do I look like a daft shit like you? Lol. I thought God is meant to call people to be pastors, so God called him and his wife and their kids? Oh okay!
Joseph was a Carpenter, what was Jesus, a Medical Doctor?
Why am i even wasting my time on an unbeliever who knows nothing but wants to have an opinion.
Follygunners: Really? And yet, my fellow educated, intelligent Christians fall for these Wolves in Sheep skin? Wow! How does this guys look any different from the people of the world? God, save us!
When did you encounter Christ 'My fellow educated intelligent Christian?'.
greatnaija01: lol the only FLAW in your theory is it does not explain the CONCEPT of DREAMS/VISIONS/PREMONITIONS/... If it was all a DREAM then why would we dream in a dream and not wake up in the real REALITY?
But, we shall wake in the real reality which is before YHWH the eternal King, Sovereign of all creation.
There's no death. If only we know this. When we cease to exist here, we shall wake up in another reality, ETERNITY.
brightpre: Have you ever gotten the feeling that we are in a dream,we are here to solve a life quest to wake,I now feel as if reality is not real,I just keep getting this feeling we are part of a system, life here on earth has no meaning.
Yes, we are in a dream kind of dimension, when we are done dreaming here, we shall wake up to stand and recount what we did in this dream.
Have you seen a 5D movie before? Let me explain what a 5D movie is and how it functions.
It is not like every other movie. It has it's special theater, with special seats. You choose which reality you want and what activity you'wld like to be involve in there. When you take a seat, you are firmly buckled down so that you won't fall off in case you find yourself fall over there. You are given a pair of Guggle to wear to enable you see your reality (the new world).
A 5D movie doesn't last for more than 10mins (At least the one i had been too), but that 10mins over there seems an entire life time. And, while there, your consciousness of your life in another world (this earth) or dimension gets erased completely. You'd forget if you ever married with kids, or were educated or not. Everything you ever were gets forgotten.
Everything in that Dimension becomes real to you. If there's need for you to swim, you swim in real water, becos you'd find yourself wet. That reality, just like here is full of challenges that you need to overcome. There are always predators after you. A lot of obstacles which you'd need to scale through.
(For instance, here on earth, you need hygiene to keep healthy. Germs are after you, so you maintain hygiene) following the rules set over that dimension will help keep you going, but if you default and a predator gets you, you die and your reality or existence in that reality ends.
When you come back to this earthral reality, you'd discover you had just been sitting there 10mins only, but there, you'd lived a life time.
There's only one thing that follows you from that Dimension to this earth reality, 'Consciousness'. You'd remember everything you did there.
So, yeah, you are dreaming in this reality, you shall wake up in another. But, when you do, you shall give account of how you lived here. How you obey the rules set over this dimension, will determine what will happen to you. The sentence you'd get.
Have you watched Avatar? You see how Mike sleeps here to function there? He couldn't take anything from here to there but his consciousness and vise versa. So shall it be when we meet Him who sent us here to this dimension.
My dear, if i had not really believed that God will do what He says He will do, i now do. i just read a book, 'History and Christianity: Evidence that Demands a Verdict'. By Gorge Macdowell.
All the prophecies YHWH gave to his Prophets long ago, especially about the down fall and complete destruction of great Nations, were or have been fulfilled and Historical records are there to proof them. I was shocked and humbled that He could know me, care about me to give His son to save me.
Listen, if you doubt God and his Words. Download that book and read, if you still doubt that When He says something, He brings it to pass afterwards, then your case is different.
He promised that He'd send Jesus, He did. He says Jesus will return, guy. he will oo. He has promised that the world will end with Fire. My dear, it will happen.
His Words are true. Satan remembers this and trembles always. Don't let it meet you unprepared.
IN most western nations, the Mormons are laughed at and not taken the least bit seriously. They are a joke. You know how in Nigeria everyone laughs at the OOO Obu cult? Well the mormons are the equivalent of white garment church over here, lol. As much as racist white people hated Obama, even they couldn't bring themselves to vote for his opponent, Mitt Romney in the 2012 re-election because Romney is a mormon. They pose as Christians but everyone knows they're not.
I've attached a short video which summarizes much of the false teachings of the mormon church. Here are some highlights:
1. Yahuah Elohim, or God the Father, was born a child and grew to a man just like us, and ascended to godhood due to his righteousness of mormon teachings (by some other god). He resides on the planet Kolob with his many spirit wives.
2. He engages in eternal polygamous celestial s*x with his spirit wives -- continually creating spirit children. From Kolob, God chooses planet Earth to rule the eventual physical manifestation of his procreation.
3. His two eldest spirit children are satan and Jesus. Yes, satan and Jesus are brothers, with satan being the elder.
4. A war breaks out on Kolob over Earth -- where the righteous spirits follow Jesus, the unrighteous follow satan.
5. The righteous spirits manifest on earth as the "white and delightsome" fair-skinned mormons (lol). The unrighteous are demons. The dull spirits who remained neutral in the battle, manifest on earth as BLACK-SKINNED PEOPLE. FURTHERMORE, PER MORMON DOCTRINE, BLACK SKIN IS A RESULT OF THE MARK OF CAIN AND THE CURSE OF HAM. WHITE SKIN WILL BE RESTORED UPON OUR ASCENT TO MORMON HEAVEN
6. God manifests on earth as Adam to have s*x with one of his wives (Eve), to procreate non-mormon children on earth.
7. God manifests again on Earth to have s*x with Mary to bring about Jesus.
8. Mormon Jesus fathers many children with his 3 wives, Mary, Martha and Mary Magdalene.
9. Joseph Smith, a 33rd DEGREE FREEMASON, is the revered prophet of the Mormon religion founded in 1827. He claims to have descended from mormon Jesus.
10. In order for mormons to become candidates for godhood (like God did), they need to faithfully pay their tithes which is carefully monitored, abstain from all forms of caffeine (coffee, tea, coca cola), perform secret temple rituals, baptize the dead in cemeteries, and wear magic underwear. Yes, magic underwear. At all times.
11. Mormons believe at death, they will appear at a panel before mormon God, mormon Jesus and Joseph Smith before being granted godhood status. Thus they become gods, attain their own planet, and granted an endless supply of spirit wives to populate said planet for all eternity.
Wait oo, do all those Mormon members know about all these and still remain there?
joshnes: you're right, more like demonic oppression. My point is sin is sin, whether caused by demons or not, God will judge all sins equally. Homosexuality will definitely take people to hell, but so will fornication and every other sex related sin. The irony is that we see fornicators and adulterers curse homosexuals in God's name, when in truth if they die in their sin, they will both end up in the same place. I even make bold to say that it is easier to cure a homosexual than an adulterer/fornicator, all you need to do is teach the person the Word, take authority over the demon and cast the nonsense out in Jesus Name. On the other hand, fornication/adultery is mostly a flesh thing, and you don't take authority over the flesh, you have to take the long road of beating it into subjection. Fornication will take more people to hell than Homosexuality.
First off, what takes people to hell is not the act of homosexuality or fornication, but spiritual deadness. If anyone rejects the life Christ offers, when he dies, without that life, he won't have access to God's presence because that is the only part which accesses heaven.
And, homosexuality is a spirit just like adultery and lying. But Homosexuality is to worst because it's Satan's sex preference.
Homosexuals are Antichrist's recruits. The Army he shall use to wage the War of Armageddon.
NPComplete: Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
If the above bible passage is to be believed, the rapture will not take place until every living human have heard it. At least that's what many Christians believe and some even base the urgency of evangelism on this passage. They think spreading the gospel will hasten the coming of Jesus.
Assumption 1: Of all the Christians in the world right now or at any time in history, less than 10% of them are really holy enough to meet the criteria for making heaven which means that if hell is real, over 95% of people on earth now will burn in hell. Really burn.
Assumption 2: The world is only going to get worse. According to the bible we should see more evil in the world and even less real Christians in it since we are in the last days. By this, there will be less real Christians by the day and even many Nairaland Christians will increasingly join the number of people going to hell.
Now here is my argument: Supposing the gospel has reached all parts of the world save for one community of 100 people in a remote village in a country ruled by a dictator like Kim Jong-Un who isolates his subjects from the world. And it will take another 500 years to penetrate into that place. Will God be waiting for 500 years to allow Jesus come back while many people, billions of them, in all other parts of the world die and go to hell, just because God wants to reach 100 people. Keep in mind that the 100 people may not hear the gospel till they die and go to hell too but they will give birth to children who will also make God wait even more years for the gospel to reach them and the wait continues. But all the while, people are being born in other parts of the world with less and less of them bound for heaven because, by no fault of theirs, they were born in an ever increasing world that is descending into evil the more and made it less likely for them to do good. So God just keeps creating billions of people he knows are hell-bound? That's at least 30 billion souls getting roasted because God was waiting for 100 souls whose majority will still not follow the laws of Christianity after they hear it.
Tell me u don't think this idea is silly. Wouldn't God see the big defect in that idea since he truly loves us and doesn't want us to burn in hell?
If this is silly, why does it bother you enough to open a thread?
adekhingz: Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because:
1. Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies. 2. Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah. 3. Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations (sic). 4. Jewish belief is based on national revelation.
(1) Jesus Did Not Fulfill the Messianic Prophecies: What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish?Specifically, the Bible says he will:
a) Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). b) Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). c) Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) d) Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be the Messiah. Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Bible no concept of a second coming exists.
(2) Jesus Did Not Embody the Personal Qualifications of Messiah:
A. Messiah as Prophet: The Messiah will become the greatest prophet in history, second only to Moses. (Targum – Isaiah 11:2; Maimonides – Teshuva 9:2). Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry, a situation which has not existed since 300 BCE. During the time of Ezra, when the majority of Jews remained in Babylon, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets – Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.
B. Descendant of David: The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father – and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David. According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, nor will he possess supernatural qualities.
C. Torah Observance: The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4) Throughout the Christian "New Testament," Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"
(3) Mistranslated Verses "Referring" to Jesus: Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text – which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation.
A. Virgin Birth: The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.
B. Suffering Servant: Christianity claims that Isaiah chapter 53 refers to Jesus, as the "suffering servant." In actuality, Isaiah 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. The prophecies are written in the singular form because the Jews ("Israel" are regarded as one unit. Throughout Jewish scripture, Israel is repeatedly called, in the singular, the "Servant of God" (see Isaiah 43:. In fact, Isaiah states no less than 11 times in the chapters prior to 53 that the Servant of God is Israel.
When read correctly, Isaiah 53 clearly [and ironically] refers to the Jewish people being "bruised, crushed and as sheep brought to slaughter" at the hands of the nations of the world. These descriptions are used throughout Jewish scripture to graphically describe the suffering of the Jewish people (see Psalm 44).
Isaiah 53 concludes that when the Jewish people are redeemed, the nations will recognize and accept responsibility for the inordinate suffering and death of the Jews.
(4) Jewish Belief is Based Solely on National Revelation: Throughout history, thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that he or she is God's true prophet. But personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion because one can never know if it is indeed true. Since others did not hear God speak to this person, they have to take his word for it. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, they do not prove he is a genuine prophet. All the miracles show – assuming they are genuine – is that he has certain powers. It has nothing to do with his claim of prophecy.
Judaism, unique among all of the world's major religions, does not rely on "claims of miracles" as the basis for its religion. In fact, the Bible says that God sometimes grants the power of "miracles" to charlatans, in order to test Jewish loyalty to the Torah (Deut. 13:4).
Of the thousands of religions in human history, only Judaism bases its belief on national revelation – i.e. God speaking to the entire nation. If God is going to start a religion, it makes sense He'll tell everyone, not just one person.
Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. :
The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he performed. Whenever anyone's belief is based on seeing miracles, he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed through magic or sorcery. All of the miracles performed by Moses in the desert were because they were necessary, and not as proof of his prophecy.
What then was the basis of [Jewish] belief? The Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears, not dependent on the testimony of others... as it says, "Face to face, God spoke with you..." The Torah also states: "God did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us – who are all here alive today." (Deut. 5:3)
Judaism is not miracles. It is the personal eyewitness experience of every man, woman and child, standing at Mount Sinai 3,300 years ago.
You have copied and pasted, if we should actually go into this discussion, will you stand the test of time? It's not enough to post stuff, but it is to defend them.
Daviddson: The devil is perfectly good at deceiving people with fake, short-term signs. OP, you just became victim of that.
Na this guy children wey go suffer weytin their papa don do. He will observe what the demons demands of hi now and enjoy the temporal benefits, but they won't know so won't carry on with the rituals, then satan will come making demands, when they don't comply because they won't have any idea, satanic oppressions will start.
This is how people robe their generations unborn into satanic ancestral covenants. What this guy did here is what the Bible calls 'LAWFUL CAPTIVE'.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Of We Are All In A Dream by Emmanystone: 10:57pm On Feb 07, 2018
are regarded as one unit. Throughout Jewish scripture, Israel is repeatedly called, in the singular, the "Servant of God" (see Isaiah 43: